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[MrCinos]

Let's all laugh at it again when the range reaches Hawaii and further beyond in a couple of years.

 

[LambdaTeos]

here is the attention you ordered, not gtfo

 

[fr0st]

That video description. 0_0

ROFL

 

[Apath]

Let's all laugh at it again when the range reaches Hawaii and further beyond in a couple of years.

Yeah, we should continue to mock a country with the capability to end millions of lives in an instant. It is very productive.

 

[brokenbeans]

Wow I've been under a rock for 24hrs this is bad

 

[Pomerlaw]

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2017/08/...-word-for-north-korea-pentagon-officials.html

 

[KHarvey16]

Yeah, we should continue to mock a country with the capability to end millions of lives in an instant. It is very productive.

That leaves quite a few countries we apparently should never mock.

 

[Joezie]

South Korea not amused. Conducts live fire exercises in leadership decapitation drill.

South Korea's air force has staged a live-fire drill simulating the destruction of North Korea's leadership, hours after Pyongyang launched a missile over Japan.

Just hours after the launch, South Korea's Presidential Office announced four F-15K jetfighters had dropped eight MK 84 bombs on a simulated target at the Taebaek Pilsung Firing Range in the country's northeastern Gangwon province, about five hours drive from Seoul .

In a press conference, presidential spokesman Yoon Young-chan said South Korean leader Moon Jae-in had wanted "to showcase a strong punishment capability against the North."

An official with the South Korean Defense Ministry told CNN the bombs had all landed on target.

"The drill reconfirmed South Korea Air Force capability to destroy the enemy's leadership in cases of emergency," the official said.

Edited: Removed Bunker Buster error.

 

[MosquitoSmasher]

Let's hope all of this blows over but honestly, correct me if i'm wrong it only seems to be getting worse. Nothing has happened yet, but this is no laughing matter.

 

[George Washington]

People fail to realize that we let them get nuclear weapons by doing nothing for decades.

Now that they have nuclear capabilities, we decide to do something with Trump as President. This will not end well, it's way beyond that point. There are no rational actors leading North Korea.

Also, that picture was a response to their propaganda of striking California. Like others have said, those who have lived through the Cold War know that this is a minor threat. There will be unavoidable collateral damage at this point (South Korea) if we go to war because we let it get to this point.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

People fail to realize that we let them get nuclear weapons by doing nothing for decades.

Now that they have nuclear capabilities, we decide to do something with Trump as President. This will not end well, it's way beyond that point. There are no rational actors leading North Korea.

Also, that picture was a response to their propaganda of striking California. Like others have said, those who have lived through the Cold War know that this is a minor threat. There will be unavoidable collateral damage at this point (South Korea) if we go to war because we let it get to this point.

Stop saying this. There is.

 

[Lord Error]

That leaves quite a few countries we apparently should never mock.

Point is, NK was for a very long time considered a joke that couldn’t pull off a missile launch if their lives depended on it. They’ve clearly made some technological breakthroughs lately and are no longer a joke. That’s why the comic echoes really dull now.

 

[KHarvey16]

South Korea not amused. Conducts live fire exercises with Bunker busters in leadership decapitation drill.

Mk 84's are just standard dumb bombs, not bunker busters. These are the same games we've played forever regarding NK.

 

[Duane Cunningham]

Let's all laugh at it again when the range reaches Hawaii and further beyond in a couple years ago.

fixed

 

[George Washington]

Is this supposed to be funny?

Funny and sad at the same time.

Let's all laugh at it again when the range reaches Hawaii and further beyond in a couple of years.

It will not go on in the current state. Notice change in response from the White House from Obama to Trump. Why? The escalation of the threat.

 

[Spyder_Monkey]

Yeah, we should continue to mock a country with the capability to end millions of lives in an instant. It is very productive.

North Korea is the biggest joke of all time.

 

[George Washington]

Stop saying this. There is.

Please elaborate.

 

[KHarvey16]

Please elaborate.

NK's leadership has been very rational given their goals.

 

[George Washington]

NK's leadership has been very rational given their goals.

Compared to his father? No. His regime has been plagued by desperation.

 

[KHarvey16]

Compared to his father? No. His regime has been plagued by desperation.

What actions haven't furthered their goals?

 

[kmax]

There are no rational actors leading North Korea.

If this was true, North Korea as we know it would not exist.

 

[faridmon]

People fail to realize that we let them get nuclear weapons by doing nothing for decades.

Now that they have nuclear capabilities, we decide to do something with Trump as President. This will not end well, it's way beyond that point. There are no rational actors leading North Korea.

Also, that picture was a response to their propaganda of striking California. Like others have said, those who have lived through the Cold War know that this is a minor threat. There will be unavoidable collateral damage at this point (South Korea) if we go to war because we let it get to this point.

Man, Fox News and their viewers

 

[George Washington]

What actions haven't furthered their goals?

What are their goals?

If complete annihilation is a part of their endgame, then yes, they're getting there.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

The NK leaders are basically holding a whole country as prisoners (25 million) in an oppressive state. I have no sympy when they get what they deserve.

 

[TarNaru33]

NK's leadership has been very rational given their goals.

lol... I dont see them as rational.

 

[KHarvey16]

What are their goals?

If complete annihilation is a part of their endgame, then yes, they're getting there.

Deterrence and preserving the current leadership. They've made the cost of attacking them too high for a long time now. Their future is pretty much in their own hands, which is why no one actually thinks they'll attack anyone.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Please elaborate.

They're following the pattern of most weak states surrounded by powerful enemies.

Creating a deterrence.

This has literally been their M.O. since the war.

What are their goals?

If complete annihilation is a part of their endgame, then yes, they're getting there.

Not to be invaded.

lol... I dont see them as rational.

Thank god you're not leading the military.

 

[Jezbollah]

I'm not trying to shout doom and gloom but coming in here and taking a condescending bullshit attitude isn't helping anyone and just makes you look childish.

It's not condescending when it's fact. Unless you contend that we've come close to nuclear war since the end of the Cold war than during it.

 

[George Washington]

Deterrence and preserving the current leadership. They've made the cost of attacking them too high for a long time now. Their future is pretty much in their own hands, which is why no one actually thinks they'll attack anyone.

You can do that without shooting missiles over Japan.

Do you honestly believe the world would accept them as a nuclear power with icbms?

 

[PopeReal]

It's a reflection of the lights. You can see it continue on the table. Thus the shadow next to the stick.

I meant in context with the rest of the picture.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

You can do that without shooting missiles over Japan.

Do you honestly believe the world would accept them as a nuclear power with icbms?

Um, they are a nuclear power with ICBMs

I mean to be honest, literally everyone who says they're not rational seems to basically use rational to mean "they don't do what I want them to do, or they shouldn't do risky things"

That is not the definition of the rational actor model.

When political scientists call a state rational, they are not saying its leaders always make the best or most moral choices, or that those leaders are paragons of mental fitness. Rather, they are saying the state behaves according to its perceived self-interests, first of which is self-preservation.

When a state is rational, it will not always succeed in acting in its best interests, or in balancing short-term against long-term gains, but it will try. This lets the world shape a state's incentives, steering it in the desired direction.

States are irrational when they do not follow self-interest. In the "strong" form of irrationality, leaders are so deranged that they are incapable of judging their own interests. In the "soft" version, domestic factors — like ideological zeal or internal power struggles — distort incentives, making states behave in ways that are counterproductive but at least predictable.

North Korea's actions, while abhorrent, appear well within its rational self-interest, according to a 2003 study by David C. Kang, a political scientist now at the University of Southern California. At home and abroad, he found, North Korean leaders shrewdly determined their interests and acted on them. (In an email, he said his conclusions still applied.)

"All the evidence points to their ability to make sophisticated decisions and to manage palace, domestic and international politics with extreme precision," Mr. Kang wrote. "It is not possible to argue these were irrational leaders, unable to make means-ends calculations."

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/11/...r-missile-programs-rational.html?mcubz=0&_r=0

 

[Doctor_Thomas]

The NK leaders are basically holding a whole country as prisoners (25 million) in an oppressive state. I have no sympy when they get what they deserve.

It won't be the leaders acting as human shields.

 

[kmfdmpig]

People fail to realize that we let them get nuclear weapons by doing nothing for decades.

Now that they have nuclear capabilities, we decide to do something with Trump as President. This will not end well, it's way beyond that point. There are no rational actors leading North Korea.

Also, that picture was a response to their propaganda of striking California. Like others have said, those who have lived through the Cold War know that this is a minor threat. There will be unavoidable collateral damage at this point (South Korea) if we go to war because we let it get to this point.

They have been antagonistic and threatening for decades because it has served them well. There is no real evidence that they are irrational. We don't like what they do, nor should we, but even their provocations have been rational. They haven't done anything overt enough or bad enough to lead major powers to commit to a costly and very deadly war.

I'd like to see China act like an actual responsible country when it comes to NK, but I'm not holding my breath on that.

You can do that without shooting missiles over Japan.

Do you honestly believe the world would accept them as a nuclear power with icbms?

They have nuclear + ICBM technologies now, although likely can't put them together at this point.

I think that NK looked at Iraq, Libya, and the Ukraine and realized that not having a credible nuclear deterrence was riskier than pursuing one over the objections of most of the world (except China who is so passive to NK that they could do anything and get less support, but still support).

 

[KHarvey16]

You can do that without shooting missiles over Japan.

Do you honestly believe the world would accept them as a nuclear power with icbms?

They don't have a choice really. Unless China does something unexpected the cost of "not accepting" (ie invading) NK is literally millions of dead South Koreans, Japanese and Americans.

 

[SDCowboy]

You can do that without shooting missiles over Japan.

Do you honestly believe the world would accept them as a nuclear power with icbms?

This makes news. Them not doing stupid shit like this, doesn't. It's all calculated.

NK knows the only action that can be taken against them is totally wiping them out, which nobody is going to do unless they actually attack a country. So NK is likely going to continue to do this, to keep making headlines, and nothing will continue to happen.

 

[Principate]

You can do that without shooting missiles over Japan.

Do you honestly believe the world would accept them as a nuclear power with icbms?

How on earth do you think that's determinental to their goals? The fact they have nuclear power with icbm's is one of the biggest deterents they have. No ones going to bother to engage them when not only will the fallout be catastrophic they themselves are in range in case shit turns pear shape.

The same reason as why every other nuclear power invested in maintaining their ICBM launch capability. This is about long term establishment. Forced recognition to the point where amical diplomacy is the only feasible option.

 

[George Washington]

Um, they are a nuclear power with ICBMs

I mean to be honest, literally everyone who says they're not rational seems to basically use rational to mean .....

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/11/...r-missile-programs-rational.html?mcubz=0&_r=0

Did you miss the part where it entails their destruction? Their primary function is to survive yet by doing what they are doing, it will lead to their death. You could argue that they are consistent, but rational they are not.

Nuclear deterrence only works when there is mutually assured destruction. The world will soon decide what the price is to remove this tyrant.

 

[KHarvey16]

Did you miss the part where it entails their destruction? Their primary function is to survive yet by doing what they are doing, it will lead to their death. You could argue that they are consistent, but rational they are not.

Nuclear deterrence only works when there is mutually assured destruction. The world will soon decide what the price is to remove this tyrant.

That's not what the article says at all?

 

[Netherscourge]

Doesn't really matter what any of us think.

Trump is running the show.

If he can destroy NK's nuclear capability, he'll do it, even if it means NK getting at least one of their nukes off inside SK.

This is Mr. #MAGA, after all. In his mind, it's America-First and everyone else is collateral.

Hell, he's already got a full military solution ready to launch. Trump probably has a fucking joystick installed in his office so he can steer a couple Tomahawks himself.

You all better hope one of those NK rockets never actually lands inside a territory or god forbid kills someone, especially with Trump as president.

 

[George Washington]

That's not what the article says at all?

????

I was responding to the article / the poster who quoted it.

Survival is a part of their self-interest and:

States are irrational when they do not follow self-interest

 

[KHarvey16]

????

I was responding to the article / the poster who quoted it.

Survival is a part of their self-interest and:

States are irrational when they do not follow self-interest

But they are pretty much ensuring their survival. Certainly more than if they did nothing.

 

[kmfdmpig]

Did you miss the part where it entails their destruction? Their primary function is to survive yet by doing what they are doing, it will lead to their death. You could argue that they are consistent, but rational they are not.

Nuclear deterrence only works when there is mutually assured destruction. The world will soon decide what the price is to remove this tyrant.

I doubt that the powers interested in stopping NK, namely the US or SK, will suddenly decide that it's worth letting an incredibly high number of Americans and South Koreans die in order to stop the threat. Better to keep NK isolated and keep improving defenses against nuclear missiles, particularly since the chance that NK would launch a nuclear attack preemptively seems very close to absolute zero. In their mind having nuclear weapons makes them safer, and based on Iraq, Libya, and Ukraine it's hard to disagree.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

????

I was responding to the article / the poster who quoted it.

Survival is a part of their self-interest and:

States are irrational when they do not follow self-interest

They are following their self interest. Getting a nuke reduces the chances the US invades and topples the regime

 

[SchrodingerC]

Which includes torpedoing navy vessels and shelling residential districts with no cause.

I just don't think it's a good idea to continually normalize these events, especially as their technology advances over the years. This is a first and trying to say otherwise ignores the implication of their possible miniaturized nukes and the increased capabilities of their missiles

Going back to my original point, this aggressive action is a predictable move because dear leader is not that unpredictable.

 

[Woo-Fu]

Oh, I checked a map, thanks, nothing to worry about then. A+++ post would read again!

It isn't my fault you're unable to comprehend what I was saying.

Is just a bunch of dick-waving until NK attempts to hit a real target. Unless the dick starts getting waved in the direction of China or the CIS I don't see today being any different from yesterday with regards to threat level.

You're reacting exactly the way NK wants you to react.

 

[Jezbollah]

They are following their self interest. Getting a nuke reduces the chances the US invades and topples the regime

Indeed. This is NK's approach at diplomacy. They would rather negotiate by the perception of showing strength than speaking to people face to face behind closed doors.

 

[Ratros]

Japanese people seem to be cool with the launch.

I am not too confident with my Japanese skills. Let me know if there is a mistake in the translation.

 

[Koren]

Indeed. This is NK's approach at diplomacy.

Well, that may be a bit fancier, but I wouldn't say it's that different from the strategy of several countries following WW2.

Nuclear weapons (and way to carry them) in pretty much all countries have been developped to make invasion too dangerous for other countries. That's the whole idea behind the MAD doctrine.

 

[hamauzu kaito]

Japanese people seem to be cool with the launch.

I am not too confident with my Japanese skills. Let me know if there is a mistake in the translation.

To me the statement is a reminder of "duty". It says nothing about public perception but rather speaks to the governments desire to exercise sway over its populace, look at the language after 3/11.

 

[Domaje]

Indeed. This is USA's approach at diplomacy. They would rather negotiate by the perception of showing strength than speaking to people face to face behind closed doors.

Fixed.