Literally this. The raid adds value for sure, but if the game is good or bad without it them it's going to be good or bad regardless.
Plus reviewers can always update reviews.
Destiny 2 Review Thread
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Literally this. The raid adds value for sure, but if the game is good or bad without it them it's going to be good or bad regardless.
Plus reviewers can always update reviews.
GlamFM
Banned
More serious outlets call this "review in progress", they don´t apply a score right away though.
"Destiny 1.5" is a pejorative - we all know that
the term has been thrown around since the reveal to discredit the notion that D2 is a proper sequel.
paperspace
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texhnolyze
Banned
Why should they lock it in the first week though? What's the purpose?
If there are people who have time in their hand and want to enjoy raids from day 1, let them be.
The à¹ÛBronx
Member
For me they are though.
Even people above the average player will need at least a week to get ready for the raid without having to blast through every bit of content as quickly as possible. If it were released with the game at launch the streamers would be there within a day or two and suddenly there would be discussion about the raid everywhere.
It would make it that much more difficult for the average person - without having five people ready to go - to take part in a blind raid. Whether completed or not that's one of the best experiences in the game so I appreciate them holding off as I'm sure many others do.
The raids are a community event that everyone is supposed to prepare for and then experience together for the first time. So everyone spends the time beforehand preparing. It's a guided communal experience, and even then you probably won't be prepared enough for it. It gives lee way for people that aren't the most hardcore of the hardcore, and lets everyone experience it fresh.
Plus it's only a week, this conspiracy to avoid negative review scores is especially hilarious considering the Raids are by far one of the most positively evaluated components of the game. If anything, it's the opposite.
Whew. Glad i didnt buy in. That burned feeling from D1 was the worst.
How?
If you would like to hear another opinion, got 20 hours right now and I've yet to experience that burned feeling.
Did you not play the endgame stuff?
This is ridiculous, but hey opinions... care to elaborate ?
Rexatality
Member
At this point, you're better off with Destiny 2.
Its not worth it imo. Its a pretty big step down from Taken King as the environmebt is very similar to previous ares + snow and the new enemy types are pretty boring
God the story is so terrible so far, even by Bungie standards. Also Titan feels like a corridor-laden CoD map but this is a full Destiny planet?
I am starting to think this may not be a great sequel.
I have been playing D1 lately and just finished Taken King. There is a pretty deep Light level requirement just to start Iron so even if you did jump in, expect to grind a bit on Taken King dailies and missions until you gear up.
Even worse, the community feels dry right now. Ppl still play, but progression Strikes have trouble matchmaking as most everyone shifted over to 2. It was tough just trying to get the game to find anyone to conquer the Taken King story strikes.
I am starting to think this may not be a great sequel.
I have been playing D1 lately and just finished Taken King. There is a pretty deep Light level requirement just to start Iron so even if you did jump in, expect to grind a bit on Taken King dailies and missions until you gear up.
Even worse, the community feels dry right now. Ppl still play, but progression Strikes have trouble matchmaking as most everyone shifted over to 2. It was tough just trying to get the game to find anyone to conquer the Taken King story strikes.
Rexatality
Member
If you were expecting a huge drastic change to the formula (Or rather abandoning its roots that some people apparently despise), you're not gonna get there with Destiny 2.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
The endgame stuff was mostly what burned me out in 1,
The loop of playing a mission a million times for better gear just so you can turn around and do repeats of the other missions a bit harder... and again just hoping for slightly better gear for the cycle to continue.
I finished the story last night and the back end of the story definitely did improve my opinion
However I actually have big issues with the early game this time,
- all the locations are less interesting than Destiny 1's besides maybe the EDZ
- you can't even change your ship or get a Sparrow this time until completing the story
- player can look horrendous(especially ones that looked fine in D1) also Titan armor looks hideous with only like 2 real variations until finishing the story.
Point 3 seems silly but when loot is such a major part of the game that and it takes you until finishing the story just to get armor that would be the lowest tier armor in Destiny 1 thats an issue for me.
Just skip it, Destiny 2 is basically the same game as 1 just done better.
PepperedHam
Member
On the front of having to repeat the same thing over and over just to get an increase while feeling burned: I am at 271 and I have hopped between many a different activities. Whether it be patrols, adventures, public events, strikes, crucible, treasure maps, lost sectors, exotic quests, and those meditation things and have been on an upwards trajectory in the power level department. This is not like Destiny 1 where you're just running the strike playlist over and over and over. You can if you want to, and I'm sure there are efficient power leveling methods but the reward loops in Destiny 2 all feed into each other and they've made it so that legendaries and exotics are in just about every single loot pool in the game so you aren't just inclined to do the same activity over and over. If you're feeling burned or tired of doing one thing, go do other things because they are just as lucrative in the power department. If those other things bore you then you just might not like the game and that's cool. They provided many different avenues this go around to increase power level and just about every night I have played I've spent time doing different things and it's been refreshing.
So your sweeping statement is that Destiny 2 is critique-proof until some arbitrary playtime progression elapses.
Mister_Bubbles
Member
Re. The Iron Lords content, if you have it I would recommend playing through it - there isn't a whole lot of it but it's pretty decent Destiny PVE content. It's not bad, and it's certainly not a million miles away from what Destiny 2 is so if you're after some new missions and places to see, along with a bit of interesting Rasputin lore (Which personally I always thought was cool)) then it's worth the time.
There is so much repeating content in Destiny that people advising not to play the new content you do have is bizarre to me.
There is so much repeating content in Destiny that people advising not to play the new content you do have is bizarre to me.
Jimmy_liv
Member
Well I think you benefit from actually playing the game as opposed to just the tutorial.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
It isn't a sweeping statement if im comparing pre-endgame Destiny 1 to pre-endgame Destiny 2.
Destiny 1's base experience was better besides some more cutscenes and a more solid soundtrack.
And I played endgame stuff of Destiny 1, the raid were nice(didn't play it myself but watched my brother who is super into Destiny) but the rest sucked.
It tried to do the MMO endgame experience but MMOs actually have far more content to support that.
Why is Destructoid putting out a review before the raid? The raid basically makes or breaks how good the game is.
Also why does it read like he wrote it in 20 minutes?
The QOL changes and having more to do is nice, but ultimately, the content isn't any more compelling than what we've seen before. Even the campaign, the most anticipated new content, hardly differed from what you would usually do outside of it. There is just very little in terms of innovation.
As I said, it's more Taken King level content. If someone liked Taken King and wanted more of it, they'd probably like this. I'm that guy, so I'm at least satisfied with what I'm getting out of this game. But I was hoping Taken King would be the stepping stones Bungie would take to lead to something greater, but instead we get more of the same that isn't too remarkable.
And that doesn't warrant it be bumped up to a 9. There are many great games scored a 9 and Destiny ain't shit to them. Though honestly, I don't even know why I bothered bring up these numbers because they're just arbitrary. Reason why I mostly don't mention them when I talk about how I feel about a game.
Bornstellar
Member
No...
If that were true, I wouldn't bother. I'll never touch the raids, most likely. I'm liking the game as is.
There is a metric ton of content to do. If someone is feeling burned then they should probably put the controller down and take a break. Destiny is only a race if you make it one.
Name one FPS on consoles that innovates beyond destiny. I'll wait.
Nothing does what destiny does. Raids have yet to be duplicated. It gives unique, challenging co op content beyond anything else currently available on consoles.
As someone that played way too much Destiny 1, if D1 vanilla had been Wrath of the Machine instead of Vault of Glass I probably wouldn't have spent half as much time as I did on that game.
The raid is a big fucking deal.
You're missing the best part of the game.
Lol.
Naw
For a lot of people the raid does make or break the game. Try to see beyond just what you want or like. Destiny obviously has two parts to serve two groups the hardcore and casual.
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
I was pretty much in the same boat.
Essentially, D2 is what i wanted from D1. i think it depends on what the player is looking for though. The core spine from D1 is still there - it's an MMO-lite lootfest but everything feels more cohesive this time around.
it really clicked with me over the weekend. it feels like a fun progression from the Halo series to me.
Good game but nowhere near as fun and polished as destiny
lol I love warframe but not even close. Nothing beats destiny raids. Warframe excels at ability and player variety as well as movement. I'd take destiny on all other fronts especially polish.
Ehhhh it's pretty polished? Not saying it's better though, but I don't see a lack of polish while playing
Jimmy_liv
Member
And that's fair enough. It wasn't directed at you personally and if you've genuinely played a stack of it but don't like it fair enough.
But the fact remains that so many people - even some of my friends - played destiny until the end of the campaign, said "that's shit" and didn't touch it again.
Unfortunately the sane thing is happening with D2.
If it was a 400 hour rpg and you played the first 8 hours then it wouldn't qualify you (not you personally but people in general) to have an informed opinion and yet that's what people do with destiny.
Yeah I've seen loads of positive impressions, but seeing someone who felt EXACTLY the same way about D1, repeat the same vibe, suggests that I might be in the same boat if i got it. Considering our similar past experience. i take it you loved D1? I'm not going to get this anyway, for now.
It was going to take me 2 hours a day rigorous grinding, for like 2 weeks, to get gear to do the Raid when it finally launched. I didn't have time or inclination to do that. No, i didn't play end game stuff.
Interficium
Banned
Spoiler alert: he didn't actually play D2.
For what it's worth, they gave D1 a 6.5, and TTK and RoI a 7. Really wish they would have waited for the raid though. Past raids would always put the game at least a half to a whole point higher IMO.
When I say innovation, I'm not referring to something game changing in the genre, I'm talking innovative in terms of Destiny's core gameplay loop and how it could have been bettered in Destiny 2. It offers more content and returning content is structured differently, but that content isn't any more compelling than what we've already seen. That being, not very compelling to begin with.
I'm sure the raid will be great, they usually are. But outside of it, again, more of the same.
Calling only end game content the "real" content in a game seems so bizarre and backwards to me. You're saying the rest of it if worthless?
Surely you know all the mechanics within 3/5 hours... So surely levels 1-20 literally are not the tutorial.
Oh yeah. The only "real" content in the game is the end game content right? 🙄
You said "innovates beyond Destiny," not "is more polished than Destiny."