PewDiePie calls someone a "fucking n****r" during PUBG livestream

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What a ridiculous statement to make about Europe.
We absolutely know and understand the meaning of the n* word. We are also talking about Sweden here, a rich country with a good education system. That aside, Mr. Pewdiepies English is way better then mine, he travels the world, follows english media (TV, Games, News) and apparently even lives in the UK. He knows and understands, he is just an asshole.
 
Funny thing is dudes been playing games for years and still feels the need to insult others when he loses. Pure manchild with millions of followers and dollars. Smh never understood how many entertainers arent aware of their unofficial role model status.

I wouldn't say they are unaware of their status, they just don't care. pewds is so well off he could lose every sponsor he has and he's still fine. he can allow himself to slip up and show his true colours now. he has his scrooge mcduck money so concealing himself amongst the masses is now irrelevant to him obviously.
 
It absolutely does. Using specific language makes you part of a "tribe" identified by using specific words and mannerisms found within that "tribe" or "movement".

If you use the word "gay" as a slur then you are part of a group who is enabling homophobia, making you, guess what, a homophobe.

It is true that it is not a good thing and also that it, how you fittingly say, enables discrimination. It can be true as a general rule often applying but I know as a matter of fact that it is not in every individual instance.

Going more into detail is slightly off topic now and does not change nor help here.

It is not about gay people but about this Youtuber/Streamer who once more did something racist.
 
OT: Out the gaming loop for a while, I don't know the context, what game is that? Gore and gunplay look very slick.

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Seriously, I make a habit of avoiding GAF political threads because I don't like the pitchfork mob nature, but yeah, I'm on board with this.
Fuck that racist.
 
Don't read the comments.

This is why PDP doesn't care. Because his audience doesn't care. He's so big at this point that publishers withdrawing their games from him will make no difference, he will just play something else. There are plenty of games out there I'm sure that belong to people who are "in the middle".

The only way this will change is if YouTube themselves just ban him. I think sometimes YouTube forgets how much power they have (never thought I'd say that). No matter how much this guy makes, he needs YouTube, not the other way around.

YouTube has become this generation's Atlas Shrugged. Garbage individuals have become famous and indoctrinate young kids with their garbage opinions. All under the umbrella of free speech and both sides. And Google just stands there counting the money.

These kids will either grow up or become the next generation of dangerous politicians.
 
It absolutely does. Using specific language makes you part of a "tribe" identified by using specific words and mannerisms found within that "tribe" or "movement".

If you use the word "gay" as a slur then you are part of a group who is enabling homophobia, making you, guess what, a homophobe.
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This.

Reappropiation of slurs to give them a positive meaning is a thing only for the people affected for that slur, if you are out of it, and you use it, you are enabling the bad meaning of it.
 
This unfortunately is not specific to gaming culture. Any time someone outs themselves as racist, other racists come out of the woodwork to defend them. Like ants, people you've never heard of or even considered for a moment to be racist can't help but rush to prove just how racist they are. Racists stick together.
Nah, it's very specific about gaming culture, sadly. These things don't happen in most other subcultures without repercussion, and at this point I feel it's very ignorant to pretend it's happening everywhere else on a basis as regular as on this one.
 
I was browsing reddit about this, and was pleasantly surprised at the general public reaction in both Subreddit Drama and H3H3's sub. Of course there were defenders and people downplaying it, but the majority of the visible and upvoted comments were pretty disgusted wtih him.

When the whole fiverr drama started, I could write it off as him doing stupid edgelord humor that was popular on 4chan in like 2007, but this is...

I'm almost waiting to hear his JonTron-esque racist meltdown. It was so obvious that he uses the word regularly what with how easily it slipped off his tongue.

It just really disturbs me to think of how much of the white fidget-spinner generation is gonna think that this shit is okay.
 
there is no excuse for using that word even if you're just joking around. call them a fucking idiot or something but not that.

can't stand the guy and it's clear he's a racist that doesn't care. too many people will happily defend him and give him money. i'd like to see his channels banned or some kind of punishment from youtube/twitch or whatever the hell he uses.
 
Nah, it's very specific about gaming culture, sadly. These things don't happen in most other subcultures without repercussion, and at this point I feel it's very ignorant to pretend it's happening everywhere else on a basis as regular as on this one.

Because Google doesnt do shit about it.

Thats not to say that there are plenty of good.normal people in our community who are against any sort of racist bullshit.

But yes racists stick together. The comments you see on youtube are other racists defending eachother.

It also happens in all facets of life.
 
Nah, it's very specific about gaming culture, sadly. These things don't happen in most other subcultures without repercussion, and at this point I feel it's very ignorant to pretend it's happening everywhere else on a basis as regular as on this one.

Flippant response: Were you not around for the 2016 US presidential election?

Less flippant response: racism is woven into the very fabric of society, pretty much all societies and long predates video gaming culture. The herd mentality of racists is not new or gaming specific. People join organizations specifically around their shared racist ideology both in secret and in public. Racists stick together in every culture and subculture. There is nothing ignorant in my post.
 
It is true that it is not a good thing and also that it, how you fittingly say, enables discrimination. It can be true as a general rule often applying but I know as a matter of fact that it is not in every individual instance.

But I guess that is slightly off topic now and does not change nor help here.

Don't think it's off topic - your argument is made from a position of privilege.
You're talking about people using a slur to discriminate a specific group of people, making them "other" and therefore "lesser" than the group of people who use the slur.
So, even if you don't "believe" in the discrimination, you're still enabling the structure of discrimination.

You can even argue that enablers of the structure are even worse than full-confessional bigots, because those enablers LOVE to say they are the "reasonable middle" and free of guilt.

They are not. Enablers are essential to a racist structure.
 
Because Google doesnt do shit about it.

Thats not to say that there are plenty of good.normal people in our community who are against any sort of racist bullshit.

But yes racists stick together. The comments you see on youtube are other racists defending eachother.

That's the problem.

If he says the n-word or says kill all jews, it puts google in the headlines; and any news generates interest.

It's why I hoped they'd take advertisers pulling out a little more seriously. They want to have their cake and eat it by having a system that affects everyone, rather than just removing the key trouble makers from the platform.

Almost as if they don't want to own up to the fact they gave the guy a million dollar TV show.
 
Everyone in this thread is giving spotlight to one who used racist slurs, you too.

That's different than posting all those comments.

I dont need to be exposed to that type of ignorance. Its why I go out of my way not to look at youtube comments. They are insane.
 
Racists will argue that in some parts of Europe (Spain) the line blurs because of its similarity to the word negro. And while that is untrue, it's also disingenuous because obviously PDP comes from the opposite side is Europe where there is no language ambiguity about the word. But the reason it wouldn't be a defense for a Spaniard anyway, is that you still clearly understand the meaning of the word if you ever choose to use it as an insult.

Except that people here (in spain for example) do not know what the n word even means. Little kids hear it on the internet and music and they start saying it. They still do not have any idea of what the word’s implications are or what is the literal meaning of it, so it becomes ingrained into their vocabulary as an equivalent of “fucker” or even “friend”. By the time they are grown ups (enough to realize what it means), even if some of them try to correct themselves to not say it, because it’s so deep into their vocabulary, the subconscious will always betray them. In those cases is not racism, is a lack of education when they were younger.

I believe that is one of the problems with the word, that in many countries it literally has no meaning because these countries do not have the same history(maybe) and same language. So the word gets thrown around so much that it’s going to be impossible to erradicate it.

Education is very important, teaching some words’ meanings and why not to use them.
 
Oh dear.

I don't think an apology video is gonna fix this one, Pewdiepie.

Except that it will. His fanbase won't disown him for it. Many think there's nothing here to be upset about.

A mass Firewatching of him may hurt him to an extent, but I really don't see that happening.
 
Its been clear for a while that Felix is a racist coward scum who can't even admit being one. All this "it was a joke" is just pathetic. It's suprising there are so many defenders for his racist actions in neogaf.

Makes my blood boil when white person uses the N word as casually as Felix, he must use it constantly. No one but racisists (if white) use that word as a slur, there are a lot of different cursing words to use in that type of situations and if it really is N word which first pops to your mind then you are a racist. Its not even flirting with racism at this point. White people have responsibility of our forefathers sins to bare and have to be loud against this type of behavior. Normalising racism has to stop and Youtube has to ban him and stop giving him a platform for this disgusting behavior. Enough is enough.
 
USA it's not Europe. Don't import your shit there. The nigger word in Europe doesn't have all the "slave" background, and atleast for me, when i hear that word i can't see the problem. In my country, the equivalent word "negro" is even on our vocabulary, and no, it's not racist.
Of course you can use it in a racist way, as you can use every other work as a racist insult, so, we have to ban the entire vocabulary? Stop being a butthurt, and don't import shitty USA culture here in Europe.

You're banned, so my post is meaningless to a certain extent, but even a quick glance to wikipedia confirms that negro went from a sorta neutral stance to a negative one, which is something any Italian should know (I'm assuming here you're Italian):

Il termine negro indica una persona appartenente a una delle etnie originarie dell'Africa subsahariana e caratterizzate dalla pigmentazione scura della pelle; in senso più ampio, può applicarsi ad altri gruppi etnici con caratteristiche somatiche analoghe, come i negritos delle Filippine o gli australiani aborigeni.[1] Sebbene la sua etimologia e il suo significato originale e tecnico non siano né dispregiativi né volgari, sotto l'influenza di simili termini in inglese e tedesco, la parola ha assunto col tempo connotazioni negative anche nella lingua italiana.[2][3][4] Si presume che il passaggio da termine neutro a negativo sia avvenuto nel corso degli anni settanta.[5]

L'accademia della crusca also tells us how negro went out of style because of negative connotations :

Negro, fra i tre, era certamente quello più storicamente attestato, più semanticamente pregnante. Tradizionalmente, identificava una presunta «razza» (la «razza negra», o «i negri», appunto) a cui nei secoli erano state attribuite precise e specifiche caratteristiche, sia fisico-somatiche sia morali (ancora negli anni Cinquanta – anni in cui cominciò a vacillare lo stesso concetto di «razza» – era possibile leggere sullo Zanichelli che «i negri» erano "popoli d'Africa di colore scuro... con cranio stretto e alto, prognatismo... collo grosso, pelle grossolana, statura piuttosto alta, vivaci, facile da imitare...»). Veicolava giudizi di inferiorità. Ed evocava secoli di «razzismo», e di crimini commessi in suo nome. Tuttavia, poteva essere utilizzato – soprattutto, in funzione aggettivale – senza provocare scandalo, o senza essere ritenuto necessariamente offensivo (cfr. F. Faloppa, Parole contro. La rappresentazione del diverso in italiano e nei dialetti, Milano, 2004, pp. 99 sgg.).


Solo all'inizio degli anni Settanta, in seguito alle lotte dei «neri» americani, alcuni traduttori avrebbero cominciato a bandire l'uso di negro in favore di nero, che pareva rendere più fedelmente l'anglo-americano black, assurto a simbolo e parola-chiave dei movimenti per i diritti delle minoranze negli Stati Uniti («Black power», «Black is beautiful»). Cominciò anche a diffondersi l'espressione di colore, calco dall'anglo-americano coloured (che dagli anni Trenta aveva vissuto alterne fortune: cfr. K. Johnson, «The vocabulary of race», in Rappin' and stylin' out. Communication in Urban Black America, a cura di T. Kochman, Chicago, pp. 140 sgg; H. Mencken, The American Language, New York, 1985, p. 381). Ciò non inibì, comunque, la circolazione di negro, che anzi negli anni Ottanta poteva essere usato – con pretesa di neutralità – dai più importanti media nazionali in relazione al fenomeno dell'immigrazione, e alla crescente presenza, in Italia, di immigrati provenienti – in prevalenza – dall'Africa, e quindi «negri» o «neri» per definizione (da un articolo di «Epoca», del 13 dicembre 1987: «... il 24 per cento degli italiani non vorrebbe avere una relazione sentimentale con un negro...»; cfr. Facce da straniero. 30 anni di fotografia e giornalismo sull'immigrazione in Italia, a cura di L. Gariglio, A. Pogliano, R. Zanni, Bruno Mondadori, 2010, in particolare pp. 103 sgg.).


Qualcosa probabilmente cambiò con l'inizio degli anni Novanta, quando importammo il dibattito sul «politicamente corretto» dai paesi anglosassoni (cfr. E. Crisafulli, Igiene verbale. Il politicamente corretto e la libertà linguistica, Roma, 2004; Geoffrey Hughes, Political correctness. A history of Semantics and Culture, London: Wuley-Blackwell, 2010; R. Fresu, Politically correct, in «Enciclopedia dell'Italiano», diretta da R. Simone, Vol. 2, Roma, 2011, pp. 1117-1119). Con degli esiti sia sull'asse paradigmatico – nella scelta, cioè, fra negro, nero, di colore (o afro-americano, che però da noi ha attecchito solo in certi contesti d'uso, e in certi registri) – sia, più in generale, nella percezione del rapporto tra lingua e società, e tra usi linguistici e sensibilità (individuali e collettive). Ricevendo quindi non soltanto indicazioni – secondo alcuni, prescrizioni – lessicali (ad esempio, l'interdizione dei vocaboli anglo-americani negro e nigger, che ha certamente avuto dei riflessi nell'interdizione dell'italiano negro), ma soprattutto spunti di discussione sul valore discriminante di alcune categorie ed etichette verbali all'interno di una società complessa, dove i rapporti di forza e di potere tra la maggioranza e le minoranze passano anche attraverso il linguaggio.

Negro isn't a word you should use.
 
That's different than posting all those comments.

I dont need to be exposed to that type of ignorance. Its why I go out of my way not to look at youtube comments. They are insane.

I do hear you, and apologies to anyone who really didn't want to see the Greenmangaming comments. I do at least like that with Facebook their identities aren't protected so they can be exposed for the shitheads they are, which is why I didn't blur their names.

Alas I have the unfortunate tendency of letting morbid curiosity drive me to the comments sections...wish I could suppress that D:
 
People are overreacting. Words aren't evil. Context is important. People aren't simple. People cannot be reduced down to one statement. Ya'll need more George Carlin in your life. Guy was SUCH a racist. /s
 
12 posts since 2014, one is saying some touchy stuff about the USA elections and another to participate in a giveaway.

Not so nitpick about elitism when you can get a 12 dollar game for free huh
 
If your base reaction in a "heated moment" in gaming is to use racial slurs then maybe get a new hobby.

People are overreacting. Words aren't evil. Context is important. People aren't simple. People cannot be reduced down to one statement. Ya'll need more George Carlin in your life. Guy was SUCH a racist.

When enough people are reacting one way, maybe its time to realise they aren't the ones over reacting - maybe you're underreacting.

His words did have context; He was angry at someone. He uses a derogatory slur for Black people as his go to terminology for someone he dislikes. When someone annoys him so much he wants to swear, the first thing he wants to call them is a term used to refer to Black people in a derogatory manner. Ergo whether he consciously acknowledged it or not, in his brain the connection between "asshole" and "black person who is beneath me" was there.

Even if in his heart of hearts he is not a racist, he has a problem with his mentality that he would use a word he knows is insulting to an enormous proportion of the global population just because he doesn't get why it's insulting. That takes a special kind of obnoxious twat.
 
This unfortunately is not specific to gaming culture. Any time someone outs themselves as racist, other racists come out of the woodwork to defend them. Like ants, people you've never heard of or even considered for a moment to be racist can't help but rush to prove just how racist they are. Racists stick together.

As a music fan, I disagree. There some cases where ''big name'' gets mulled over, but so many personnel have fallen off the face of the earth because of sexist/racist/etc remarks and actions they have committed (Eg DIIV bassist, Beach Slang band members, PWR BTTM sitauation)

Frankly, these situations are more inline with the gaming culture more so than anything else.

Not sure if sarcasm.

Who is saying that tho, anyways

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No, please. I want to hear more about this context

He is being sarcastic folks.
 
People are overreacting. Words aren't evil. Context is important. People aren't simple. People cannot be reduced down to one statement. Ya'll need more George Carlin in your life. Guy was SUCH a racist. /s

George Carlin was a master comedian who loved language and understood the power of language and actively denounced racism and other forms of prejudice in his comedy and in his life. PDP is a racist. I agree people are complex. Racists are complex too. That doesn't change the fact that they're racists.

Edit: I really need to check profiles before even bothering to respond.
 
Except that people here (in spain for example) do not know what the n word even means. Little kids hear it on the internet and music and they start saying it. They still do not have any idea of what the word’s implications are or what is the literal meaning of it, so it becomes ingrained into their vocabulary as an equivalent of “fucker” or even “friend”. By the time they are grown ups (enough to realize what it means), even if some of them try to correct themselves to not say it, because it’s so deep into their vocabulary, the subconscious will always betray them. In those cases is not racism, is a lack of education when they were younger.

I believe that is one of the problems with the word, that in many countries it literally has no meaning because these countries do not have the same history(maybe) and same language. So the word gets thrown around so much that it’s going to be impossible to erradicate it.

Education is very important, teaching some words’ meanings and why not to use them.
You're telling me that Spanish people use a word they 100% do not know the meaning of as an insult? How do they know it's an insult if they have no idea what the word means?

Spain has a wicked bad history when it comes to colonialism, so you would think there would be some acknowledgement or effort to understand the effect the country has had on minority groups.

It's nobody's responsibility to teach people what words mean, either.
 
People are overreacting. Words aren't evil. Context is important. People aren't simple. People cannot be reduced down to one statement. Ya'll need more George Carlin in your life. Guy was SUCH a racist. /s
The context is he used a racial slur. And he meant it as an insult. There is no way to twist this around to somehow make it seem PDP was misunderstood or he didn't mean it.
 
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