Disrespects take there is basically it's black peoples fault for being too sensitive. Thought him being a bit of a dick was just an exaggerated character for entertainment, but I guess he really is just a dick. Wont be bothering with him again.
PewDiePie calls someone a "fucking n****r" during PUBG livestream
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Disrespects take there is basically it's black peoples fault for being too sensitive. Thought him being a bit of a dick was just an exaggerated character for entertainment, but I guess he really is just a dick. Wont be bothering with him again.
Holy shit. I thought Shaycarl was mormon.
Edit: I don't know why I assumed mormons don't ever cheat... or i guess drink
Simply Sami
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There's no point listening to Phil De Franco or any of these so called other big youtubers on this matter. They all worried about how their income will be affected by this. So trying to play it down.
Hopefully the normal gaming media and normal press don't let it blow over. Pewdewpie deserves to get his channel deleted.
Hopefully the normal gaming media and normal press don't let it blow over. Pewdewpie deserves to get his channel deleted.
**Yeah but man, won't anyone think of us white men, we have feelings too, please don't call us racist. When you call Felix racist, you're calling me a racist too!
**SARCASM
I think I made it clear enough but I just wanna be clear about it
Shroud did ultimately downplay the whole thing (basically ending the conversation on "I don't care, it's not important, I'm not going to watch the clip, it doesn't affect me."), and a lot of what he said on the subject was useless because he didn't care enough to actually see the clip and the context around it. In his running commentary before he gave up he said he doesn't use the word ("I guess I did when I was young and I thought it was funny; it's not funny.") and if you're using it in a way where you could replace it with "black person" and it's racist, you're being racist. But there was also plenty of dissembling about the standards of online communities as opposed to wider society, or Youtubers with loose lips making mistakes trying to be funny. It wasn't good insight. If you don't know shit about something, you shouldn't talk about it until you do.
I can't take the time to find the full thing right now, so my summary isn't necessarily perfect, but it's what I remember watching it at the time.
I'm basically where Klepek came down on it. I can't see into a man's soul, so I don't know how he feels about people. But if you care about your audience, you'll avoid saying hurtful stuff, and if you do without meaning to, you'll sincerely apologize for it. There should be no doubt that the n-word is a powerful slur that many find hurtful and disturbing, particularly when used as an insult. Pewdiepie has done this more than enough times without showing any sort of self-reflection that I can't imagine giving him the benefit of the doubt anymore. He's an asshole. Don't be an asshole.
Yup, pretty much. He's been slowly pandering to that part of his fanbase for a while now. Definitely not watching him anymore.
Black Republican
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hopefully this also puts to bed that we need to "wait for the old racists to die out"
i know alot of good people mean well when they say it, but its never like that.
i know alot of good people mean well when they say it, but its never like that.
KojiKnight
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Demonetize his videos for a year. Demand he make a proper apology and if he doesn't, or if he does it again, delete him and everything on his channel and take down anyone who republishes it.
See how fast he falls apart without youtube supporting him.
See how fast he falls apart without youtube supporting him.
The hardcore streaming community is toxic as fuck. I've been saying it for the past month after Dr. Disrespect's "kick in the chest" moment where people really wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt while completely ignoring his doubling down the week after and his completely shit chat. These people fucking suck. I know these people. I have friends who are exactly them. Not a coincidence that when my friends get into watching streams they link me to these people too. It's 4chan adjacent. It's the same mentality I had when I was 14 trolling around the early modern internet. You think it's uncool to get offended, and you are incapable of examining yourself. True perpetual childhood.
TheBaldEmperor
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I'm honestly shocked at the people saying, "Yeah I say it all the time when I'm mad it's no big deal." Saw a ton of this on Twitter today.
VoltySquirrel
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Right before it blew up I quote-tweeted Sean Vanaman's initial tweet saying my initial thoughts (I see where he's coming from, Pew deserves it, but it's a bad move/bad form). Sean replied and said he's going to talk to his lawyers about it. Because of that reply, I've been privy to dozens of people telling Sean Vanaman and Campo Santo to fuck off other such niceties. Has made my Twitter mentions basically unusable now. Seen far too much Hard R for my liking in my mentions for the past 24 hours. So that sucks.
Anyway fuck PDP.
EDIT: Dozens isn't an exaggeration, either. I've blocked over 60 people so far.
Anyway fuck PDP.
EDIT: Dozens isn't an exaggeration, either. I've blocked over 60 people so far.
Gotdatmoney
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Dont care if you're black dude. You dont have any idea what your talking about. I hope you and your buddy enjoy your bans and converse about how enlightened you are.
Edit: Ah the mods nuked it. For the best.
Edit: Ah the mods nuked it. For the best.
Pretty much. Hatred breeds hatred.
Edit: And I don't mean this in a "both sides can be bad" kind of way, I mean it in a "Racist assholes will raise their kids to also be racist assholes" kind of way
The Technomancer
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Putting it in perspective, Pewdiepie regularly belittles communities of people who have faced heinous systemic horrors and then turns around, says they are overreacting; then proceeds to mock people that are fighting to bring light onto global warming and complains he can't stand them. He's a trash ball.
Now there's a name for viewing a problem from both sides? The fuck?
Dice//
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Eh. Media and the effect of media has always been an interesting topic to me and my take on this is a little more nuanced. I'll preface simply saying quickly: Yeah Pewdie Pie is a manchild piece of garbage.
I'm more on Philip's take of things. Personally, and like he himself had confessed, I think I've said "less than reputable" things when I was younger and dumber and because I "learned it" from other less reputable sources that treated such terrible talk very lightly (my super old and super conservative father has said racial slurs unironically -- a part of him I deplore now whenever he 'ventures' into talk like that). I didn't know -- my worldview was small and needed to be shook up. And I grew up, I learned, I'd have friends tell me how they're worldview is different because of their skin/ethnicity and I realized that the shit you say can be largely influenced by what you hear and what you're around. So I, in some ways, can't be too hard on the guy. One because my personality doesn't really let me until someone is actively harming (but I'll get into that), and two because I've gotten "better" and today I'd probably beat the hell out of my younger self for shitty jokes some of us kids thought were cool/funny/"appropriate" back then.
You're right he should know better. But I dunno, I'm smart enough to not take him or his shitty opinions seriously because he is a dumb fucking kid playing with his adult-job --- something I'm worried his audience can't see past and just blindly defend him. Basically, I just ignore him (and I'm happy when people do just that in wake of events like this --- it teaches a lesson) (plus why you'd be openly racist when you're such a global hit is absolutely baffling). I get incredibly worried when people DO take media seriously or don't try to dissect what they're hearing and passively absorb it; but instead they opt for the lazy "it's just a word!" bullshit ignorant rhetoric.
I'm disappointed in Felix and SUPER disappointed in "fans" of his that instead of saying "that's fucked up"; and much like the MANY issues surrounding Trump-fans, it shows there's a scary amount of people who think way deeper and scarier thoughts on important issues/discourses (we don't have a camera inside of Felix's head; but jesus Christ fans are putting out a steady stream of consciousness on goddamn Twitter and YouTube comment sections that's, in many ways, a LOT more revolting to read and see people think like this than this one isolated event can really capture by comparison). A line from Philip DeFranco's video that really stuck with me was how it reifies the use of such language; and I hate how much of THAT we've seen with people defending it and even re-using the n-word to make a point. It's despicable.
I don't "care" about the issue enough to throw the book at Pewdie Pie (most days I'm just happy when "breaking news" does occur people aren't dead and Felix is FAR from the most important thing in my life to raise a pitchfork against); but I'm happy that there are many people who are standing up against that kind of talk and see why it's incredibly harmful. Words definitely have power; and Pewdiepie is foolish and careless and childish creator that's not up to the task it seems to deal with such a massive audience.
Phil DeFranco always tries to play it down, Trump related stuff and what not, before this PDP situation. He is a piece shit.
Sometimes there isn't a valid opposite side to a problem.
Don't even bother with that asshole. Check his twitter out and you'll understand he's bigoted as fuck, so his friend and him clearly have some common ground. And yeah, people always act as if one person who's part of a minority speaks for all of them and it's dumb.
I propose a motion to rename him Philip DeFukboi
Gotdaaaaaamn
Rumblebones
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If YouTube cared about cleaning up their platform they'd shut down his channel and Twitch would do the same.
User123456
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Not sure about the rest of the world but you'd be surprised. Here in spain we use it all the time (always among friends of course) and nobody, black people included, give it a second thought. Then again, our society isn't meaningfully racist against black people, which probably plays a big role in the matter.
Funnily enough, among the people that I know at least, we use the word because we've seen it in american blaxploitation movies from the 80s and 90s, rap music and games like GTA San Andreas and we always thought it was funny in a "this way to talk is so foreign to us" kinda way.
But even here most people wouldn't say such a thing in public. When it's among friends, we know we have consent and there is no ill will.
EDIT: Just wanna make sure real quick that it's clear I'm not defending PDP.
BlitzBlake
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Are there any big gaming youtubers that aren't racist, transphobic, or rapists? Double points if they actively speak out again those things.
Dreams-Visions
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Yea I was about to have words with him. His twitter was nothing but intolerance and homophobia. I feel embarrassed for his parents. He and the other poster belong together. They are the real victims.
BLOODED_hands
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I mentioned earlier that I've never heard of this Dr. Disrespect until recently when everybody was riding his dick and making him out to be the next big Twitch star (same thing with Eli), so I don't know how recent it was but the video from Zasa shows both Dr. Disrespect and Shroud's perspective.
Seriously.... Is it that common for people to say the N word? Not n***a, n***er. I'm sure they know how toxic the words are, but why is it so common for them to say it in a fit of rage on in the heat of the moment (which is a catchy song mind you, lol)? I keep telling myself to not read Twitter and YouTube comments, but fuck......
Orochinagis
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No word from PDP still?
H.Bomberguy does gaming videos at times, super chill guy, speaks out against idiot shit. There's also the man for whom we must thank God for, each day, Jim fucking Sterling, son.
Edit: Though you didn't qualify "big" so maybe you consider those mid-tier, and not big YouTubers
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The Silver
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some of the defenses along the lines of "eh its just video game culture, just heat of the moment,nothing racist we all say it" remind me of myself when I was younger and I used to say "that's gay" along with everyone else.
Then on message boards I saw arguements with people that took great offense to that term, at first my instinct was to be defensive, "it's not homophobic its just a synonym for that's stupid, i have no problem with gay people, I support gay marriage, you guys are just too sensitive, words change". Then I actually started to look at myself, grew up, and got some fucking empathy and realized I was being dumb as shit fuck up and yes contributing to homophobia. I've never used "that's gay" since, not in private, not anywhere.
these people like Pewdiepie and their defenders, they lack a certain empathetic center to "understand"(for lack of a better term, I'm being lazy) what they're doing is yes racist, hurtful and an indictment on their character, trolling is what's cool and funny, caring about anyone or anything? That's for oversenstive losers, care cup empty.
Then on message boards I saw arguements with people that took great offense to that term, at first my instinct was to be defensive, "it's not homophobic its just a synonym for that's stupid, i have no problem with gay people, I support gay marriage, you guys are just too sensitive, words change". Then I actually started to look at myself, grew up, and got some fucking empathy and realized I was being dumb as shit fuck up and yes contributing to homophobia. I've never used "that's gay" since, not in private, not anywhere.
these people like Pewdiepie and their defenders, they lack a certain empathetic center to "understand"(for lack of a better term, I'm being lazy) what they're doing is yes racist, hurtful and an indictment on their character, trolling is what's cool and funny, caring about anyone or anything? That's for oversenstive losers, care cup empty.
Shin
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FireWatch DMCA takedown - https://twitter.com/vanaman/status/906983575337107456
ComradeZero
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SomeCallMeJohnny/Brain Scratch Commentaries/Super Gaming Brothers are good fun
Dice//
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Dude is maybe/hopefully contacting one hell of a PR firm.
malboroking
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"Socially liberal but fiscally conservative" is some cop-out bullshit. It basically means "I'm a Republican, but I'm OK with gay marriage." If you're socially liberal than you need to fund liberal policies. Otherwise your just paying lip service.
"The problems are bad, but their causes... their causes are very good"
ScientificPizza
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There was the one
He's waiting for all of the youtubers who benefited from collabing with him to come out and say how it's not a big deal and everyone is just being sensitive
Mathrin
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As I said earlier, his most recent video of "streaming fails" seemed to bait comments about it, saying "I'd end up on here one day" or something along those lines but I don't know when it was recorded, so could have been before the stream.
Don't think he's said owt else publicly.
Probably trying to get his pugs together for an apology video. It worked for those two morons who cheated people with the CS Go gambling site, right?
At this point I would think that all the ad revenue that is leaving youtube far outweighs whatever Felix is worth.
Man, the comments to literally every youtube video related to this
The internet really is a shithole.
PDP, Boogie, Shroud... everyone saying that what happened is not a big deal and all that... Shroud saying people overreacted and it´s 2017 so it´s okay to say that.
Smh. The problem is that those streamers have a massive following and a lot of kids and dumb people will think it´s okay to be racist or use that word. Crazy how youtubers became so influential and a lot of them are scumbags that should go back to school and educate themselves.
Smh. The problem is that those streamers have a massive following and a lot of kids and dumb people will think it´s okay to be racist or use that word. Crazy how youtubers became so influential and a lot of them are scumbags that should go back to school and educate themselves.
Crimsonclaw111
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Must be nice to have everyone literally throwing themselves at you to suck your dick whenever you do something terrible
How About No
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A list was being compiled a few pages ago
Dreams-Visions
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I hear it at least once a play session in Overwatch on PC. I see it occasionally but far less frequently in League of Legends, Team Fortress 2 and Dota2. Have been seeing it since x360 launch and PDZero. Interestingly I never experienced it on the OG Xbox Live. People were just happy to be able to talk online to strangers.
I think the internet and parents not caring what their kids watch has more of a role than just racist parents, I'm sure some parent aren't racist but their kids watch/read the wrong shit online when they're young and this is what starts happening.
I'm trying for a baby with my girlfriend, I am terrified about how to act about my child being on the Internet, I don't want to restrict it because it's the 21st century and computers are normal and my child will need to use them. But I'll be devastated if my kid started watching youtube and then developed attitudes that you see from these streamers and 4chan and some parts of reddit.
If anything else, this should be the spark that lights the fire under Youtube's ass so that they can finally start doing something rather than ignoring the issues that have been plaguing the site as of late for content creators. They need to make an example out of someone who we can safely say has probably done a good number of things to warrant some action, but as long as they remain silent about it, it will just be another year of Youtube acting like the best course of action to help people is "No action" (which if they are honestly considering moving into a mass market as I believe I've been hearing, this is one thing they can no longer do). Between this and the aforementioned "DeathtoJews" nonsense that got Disney to back off from him, it feels like it is only a matter of time before action is taken and it effects everyone else (for better or for worse).
Honestly, I'm in the same boat as Sterling on this one. Something bad is going to happen, and chances are that Pewdiepie is probably going to be the one who is going to make life official hell for everyone else since it probably will include him being at the epicenter.
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