PewDiePie calls someone a "fucking n****r" during PUBG livestream

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I remember when I was a kid (like 13
-ish) and I stubbed my toe or burned my hand on the oven or something I would swear out loud and my mom would reprimand me. I'd argue that I couldn't help it since it was an automatic response to getting hurt. My mom said that if those words weren't in my vocabulary at all they wouldn't come out even in those situations. And I couldn't argue against that because well, she was 100% right. This whole situation reminds me of that.

It sounds so simple, but it's true. If you don't say the word, you don't say it. Funny old world.
 
After watching this develop for a couple of days I think there are some strong overreactions on both sides. Now before I go on, I just want to say I'm not trying to take a 'centrist' view here; PewDiePie was wrong to say that word, he should not be defended for saying that word, and he should issue an honest apology for saying that word. It's not appropriate or a show of good character to say, especially since he has a young, impressionable audience.

However, I think people are looking a bit too far into this. I've seen people very quick to denounce PewDiePie as an irredeemable racist because of this, and I just have to disagree. Now I don't watch his videos or know him personally, so I can't say I can be an absolute judge about this, and that goes both ways. However, I do know he has met some controversy over a tasteless Jew joke prior to this. Still, just because someone says a bad (albeit racially charged) word or makes a tasteless joke doesn't immediately make them racist. Is it childish, incentive, and inappropriate? Yes, absolutely. But the 'joke' behind what was said about the Jews was not PewDiePie laying out his anti-semetic viewpoint on Jewish people, but rather a "hey, let's make people who can't read English say something horrible." Once again, tasteless and immature, but I don't think worthy of a racist label. Same goes for this slip. Totally inappropriate and completely wrong of him to say, but I don't think his entire viewpoints on race should be judged by something of this caliber. It's not like JonTron who went on those utterly vile Twitter rants that clearly outlined his backwards politics and drew some serious question to comments he's made in the past. All in all, I don't think people should be so quick to assume the absolute worst about PewDiePie; I know this is a great opportunity to do so - especially if you're not a fan of him - but some of this outrage has really been blown out of proportion to what he said.

Same goes to the other side who are defending and attempting to justify what PewDiePie said; it's completely unjustifiable to say (which is why I've been dancing around using the n-word outright), and those who are trying to make a point by using it casually or calling critics of PewDiePie that word are being even worse and just contributing toxicity to the larger gaming community. It's not "just a word" and just because you say it all the time when you're angry doesn't make it okay to say ever. The history of the n-word should not be glazed over and made casual "just because rappers say it." Context is key, and PewDiePie used the word in a derogatory way. Not one that any solid political positions on race (other than insensitivity and unconcern) can be drawn out from, but a terrible word to use nonetheless.

If anyone is angry over this, I'm not trying to say you don't have a right to be; you absolutely do. Like I said, PewDiePie is in the complete wrong here. But I think it's important to accept that sometimes people just fuck up and do something or say something that they should not have. Although words and actions can and should be used to judge one's character, it is important to do so proportional to the offense that has been committed. To me, all this shows is that PewDiePie is an insensitive asshole who contributes to toxicity in gaming, but attacking his character with claims of him being an irredeemable racist is going a bit too far in my mind.

Lol I have no idea of the full history of what's going on but hey I want to post my views too cos who care about facts right
 
The reaction to PDP isn't overreacting at all.
He is by far the most influential person in his entire medium, and rivals movie stars like RDJ for the younger kids. He has that much influence. He is held to a much higher standard because of his status with kids.

If RDJ, Jlaw, Chris Pratt, or whoever was in this situation, they would immediately be out of jobs or have contracts terminated, because of their standing in the public.
There is nobody to hold PDP accountable aside from ourselves, because Twitch and YouTube sure as shit won't.

Yep. Case in point, Chevy Chase:

http://deadline.com/2012/10/chevy-chase-has-racially-charged-tirade-on-the-set-of-community-357119/

He wasn't fired immediately if I'm remembering right, but it wasn't long after.
 
I think it has been said enough, but the word "nigger" is not something used in everyday language or in music. There is no way it just comes out.
 
I find it fascinating that here we are, over 24 hours later, and the same bullshit "both sides, he's not really a racist arguements" keep popping up.

How did you type out all of that without stopping to think? How?
people assume they're right without knowing anything about the situation, so they type these thesis' that reek of self importance while outing themselves as morons
 
I think it has been said enough, but the word "nigger" is not something used in everyday language or in music. There is no way it just comes out.

Yeah despite the fact that white people shouldn't be saying any version of the word it might less blatant if he hadn't used that hard R. No one fucking uses a hard R out of nowhere without practice
 
And you know what's the kicker. Whoever that SomeBlackGuy is.

I mean he tripped over himself to make a damn video to defend a man who's been radio silent. That's says alot. PDP is a coward.

The thing is though. These people around this SomeBlackGuy are just using him. Sure he made the video on his own accord, but then these people just use him as some sort of validation.

"Well he's black and it doesn't bother him so you guys needs to stop letting it bother you."

The minute something fucked up happens to this SBG or he starts speaking out of tune of the agenda. You'll see these very same people sour on him quick.

Good points.
 
Guys...guys...whoa...put down that r-word before anyone gets hurt. Don't just aim that willy nilly now.

How do we know if he's a racist racist? All he did was say the n-word. Can you really know what's in his heart?
 
To me, all this shows is that PewDiePie is an insensitive asshole who contributes to toxicity in gaming, but attacking his character with claims of him being an irredeemable racist is going a bit too far in my mind.
I agree with you here but I think I'm the only one. I think it's a responsible and defensible point of view. The thing is I do understand their outrage at just hearing this word from someone of his stature whether they like him or not. There are a lot of reasons to be upset with him and even more reasons to dislike his output (not that any of us should need any more given his work as a whole). The problem with this is it doesn't outright make him a flag-carrying white supremacist, as you said, which is going to cause a lot of disagreement here because some think it does. Like you, I just think he's a moron and the product of manchild culture where the use of these words online is the norm not out of racism but general immaturity.
 
I dunno Enzom, maybe we're too quick to label him. -_-

He doesn't know shit about that piece of shit, yet he somehow knows he's not a racist.
Shit, the one thing he knows for certain is that he called someone a nigger yet he somehow not a racist.
Don't you love white supremacy?
 

Wow... what the hell? I thought the dude behind the whole schtick was a relatively decent nice person, but I guess he couldn't help himself but bring out how he really feels and defend this bullshit with his DrD persona. Really a shame, I thought he was one of the most entertaining streamers out there, but along with his fanbase mostly consisting of assholes (of course), I have zero reason to watch the guy anymore.
 
I've stayed silent on this because it's an absolute shit show and it's sad this is the state our society is in. It sucks being reminded of how far we still have to go.

I don't think racism is ever going to go away. It's always existed and likely always will. I also don't think what pewdiepie did is so easily equated to crap many of us may have said in our younger years. I use to say retarded a lot. I was uneducated. When I got educated, I forced it out of my vocabulary. I read books when I was younger that have the N word in it. I listen to music that freely uses the N word. Yet I know that word is extremely racially charged and offensive to so many it just csnt even be uttered. It's strange listening to a song on the radio that has the word there but beeped put. In many ways its been normalized.

But, it's not really. And often times, the normalized version is the slang version without the hard R.

My fiance's sister throws around the N word like it's "cool". It bothers the hell out of me and I am sure it would bother the hell out of people of color. She means nothing bad by it - she actually uses it as a term of endearment. It's weird.

I also know that a lot of people don't like boogie for various reasons and many hate how he sits in the middle trying to please everyone. I get it.

But I watched his stream. Removing all prior bias, he most certainly condemned racism. That little clip here is cute, but it's missing an awful lot of context.

He doesn't get worked up over language use, but rather the actions. Fine, it sucks, and itz boogie being boogie, but he made it pretty clear how he thinks all racism is wrong.

He just thinks, or maybe hopes, people like my fiance'sister are just dumb. Uneducated and potentislly still have hope to become enlightened on it.

I kinda get it. To the point I'm not mad at boogie for not throwing pewdiepie under the bus.

There is something to say to try and hope the world can be better. In thus case, hope pewdiepie can grow and learn. Too often we juts assume people can't change, or if they do... Just say it's fake.

And no one really knows but that person. I'd like to think no one is too far gone to be enlightened.

As for what should happen to pewdiepie? Google should issue a temporary ban on his channel. For at least a month. Permanent if it happens again. Google for too long has been like what people accuse boogie of. Being in the middle. They want to help advertisers, but still refuse to police Content. The only policing that happens is self taught to maintain ads.

Google should take a stance that this isn't okay on their platform.


But they won't. Because they don't want 57 million people getting pissed. They also are already dealing with some heavy backlash over what looks like the improper firing of an employee for simply asking questions and making observations they didn't agree with. Plus it appears he was shamed over. It.

Google will just not care. Just like they know people will get over the kid they fired. And it sucks.

At times like this, I wish their were regulations. The problem is, I don't trust any know entity to enact proper regulations.
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The reaction to PDP isn't overreacting at all.
He is by far the most influential person in his entire medium, and rivals movie stars like RDJ for the younger kids. He has that much influence. He is held to a much higher standard because of his status with kids.

If RDJ, Jlaw, Chris Pratt, or whoever was in this situation, they would immediately be out of jobs or have contracts terminated, because of their standing in the public.
There is nobody to hold PDP accountable aside from ourselves, because Twitch and YouTube sure as shit won't.

Yes and that's why he is using his power for years now and influence a mass amount of kids. Not taking any resposibility, that's what we see how youtubers still defend him and his followers but also how kids think these days because of him.

PDP is a racist, no more no less, he used his influence to say that everything can be said without any coincidence..yet we will see in the coming days or weeks that youtube will again alter there decisions and advertisers will run away because they will see all youtubers as racist, that's the reality, that happens when you are not drawing a line in being tolerante. Not thinking of the consequences will hold on what you did. Last year i also got flak from coworkers because of his anti semitism, they also watch him and clearly it showed me that they kept saying 'it was a joke' ehm hell no..denying the holocaust here in the netherlands is against the law.
 
He said some bad things "in the heat of the moment" could be used as an excuse if he was surrounded by young children and blurted out "MOTHERFUCKER!" upon dying in a computer game.

Saying what he said, no matter how heated - he doesn't seem all that heated - is absolutely inexcusable. Words like that don't just pop into your head when your a little bit miffed at something.

In the heat of the moment. The very thought!
 
I agree with you here but I think I'm the only one. I think it's a responsible and defensible point of view. The thing is I do understand their outrage at just hearing this word from someone of his stature whether they like him or not. There are a lot of reasons to be upset with him and even more reasons to dislike his output (not that any of us should need any more given his work as a whole). The problem with this is it doesn't outright make him a flag-carrying white supremacist, as you said, which is going to cause a lot of disagreement here because some think it does. Like you, I just think he's a moron and the product of manchild culture where the use of these words online is the norm not out of racism but general immaturity.

There are levels to racism besides not racist and Klu Klux Klan member.
 
I think it has been said enough, but the word "nigger" is not something used in everyday language or in music. There is no way it just comes out.

I still don't get these posts claiming that they be hearing the hard R in music. Unless by the N word they actually mean nigga, which I'm assuming they do

I agree with you but I think I'm the only one. I think it's a responsible and defensible point of view. The thing is I do understand their outrage at just hearing this word from someone of his stature whether they like him or not. There are a lot of reasons to be upset with him and even more reasons to dislike his output (not that any of us should need any more given his work as a whole). The problem with this is it doesn't outright make him a flag-carrying white supremacist, as you said, which is going to cause a lot of disagreement here because some think it does. Like you, I just think he's a moron and the product of manchild culture where the use of these words online is the norm not out of racism but general immaturity.

This is not the only type of racist there is, jfc

He doesn't know shit about that piece of shit, yet he somehow knows he's not a racist.
Shit, the one thing he knows for certain is that he called someone a nigger yet he somehow not a racist.
Don't you love white supremacy?

Can't say I'm a fan.
 

People can be uneducated, stupid and racist. They aren't mutually exclusive you know.

And look about Boogie's comments in gamergate and other topics, he just plays with this facade of neutrality when he's just a piece of shit. Oh but if someone fatshames then he gets angry and stops being in the middle. Such a fucking hypocrite.
 
What is up with the argument we're seeing on here about PDP's true character? It really doesn't matter if he *truly* is an iredeemable racist or not.

We have to use his actions to judge his character.

He acts like a racist.

What are people missing here? If he truly isn't a racist then he needs to make up for it through his damn actions.
 
Can't say I'm a fan.

Did you give it a fair shot? Jontron gave it a try and the boy took quite a shine to it.


What is up with the argument we're seeing on here about PDP's true character? It really doesn't matter if he *truly* is an iredeemable racist or not.

We have to use his actions to judge his character.

He acts like a racist.

What are people missing here? If he truly isn't a racist then he needs to make up for it through his damn actions.

Because if you can pretend he's not a "real" racist whatever the fucvk that maesn, you can excuse him "a little bit" ie completely.
 
He said some bad things "in the heat of the moment" could be used as an excuse if he was surrounded by young children and blurted out "MOTHERFUCKER!" upon dying in a computer game.

Saying what he said, no matter how heated - he doesn't seem all that heated - is absolutely inexcusable. Words like that don't just pop into your head when your a little bit miffed at something.

In the heat of the moment. The very thought!
Honestly, if he just immediately apologized properly, I wouldn't have even bothered with giving it attention, because apologizing timely at least signals that it's bad and he acknowledges it, instead he hasn't said shit because he sees no wrong with it.
 
People can be uneducated, stupid and racist. They aren't mutually exclusive you know.

And look about Boogie's comments in gamergate and other topics, he just plays with this facade of neutrality when he's just a piece of shit. Oh but if someone fatshames then he gets angry and stops being in the middle. Such a fucking hypocrite.

It's his priviledge showing. When discrimination doesn't affect him, he doesn't think it's that big of a deal.
 
After watching this develop for a couple of days I think there are some strong overreactions on both sides. Now before I go on, I just want to say I'm not trying to take a 'centrist' view here; PewDiePie was wrong to say that word, he should not be defended for saying that word, and he should issue an honest apology for saying that word. It's not appropriate or a show of good character to say, especially since he has a young, impressionable audience.

However, I think people are looking a bit too far into this. I've seen people very quick to denounce PewDiePie as an irredeemable racist because of this, and I just have to disagree. Now I don't watch his videos or know him personally, so I can't say I can be an absolute judge about this, and that goes both ways. However, I do know he has met some controversy over a tasteless Jew joke prior to this. Still, just because someone says a bad (albeit racially charged) word or makes a tasteless joke doesn't immediately make them racist. Is it childish, incentive, and inappropriate? Yes, absolutely. But the 'joke' behind what was said about the Jews was not PewDiePie laying out his anti-semetic viewpoint on Jewish people, but rather a "hey, let's make people who can't read English say something horrible." Once again, tasteless and immature, but I don't think worthy of a racist label. Same goes for this slip. Totally inappropriate and completely wrong of him to say, but I don't think his entire viewpoints on race should be judged by something of this caliber. It's not like JonTron who went on those utterly vile Twitter rants that clearly outlined his backwards politics and drew some serious question to comments he's made in the past. All in all, I don't think people should be so quick to assume the absolute worst about PewDiePie; I know this is a great opportunity to do so - especially if you're not a fan of him - but some of this outrage has really been blown out of proportion to what he said.

Same goes to the other side who are defending and attempting to justify what PewDiePie said; it's completely unjustifiable to say (which is why I've been dancing around using the n-word outright), and those who are trying to make a point by using it casually or calling critics of PewDiePie that word are being even worse and just contributing toxicity to the larger gaming community. It's not "just a word" and just because you say it all the time when you're angry doesn't make it okay to say ever. The history of the n-word should not be glazed over and made casual "just because rappers say it." Context is key, and PewDiePie used the word in a derogatory way. Not one that any solid political positions on race (other than insensitivity and unconcern) can be drawn out from, but a terrible word to use nonetheless.

If anyone is angry over this, I'm not trying to say you don't have a right to be; you absolutely do. Like I said, PewDiePie is in the complete wrong here. But I think it's important to accept that sometimes people just fuck up and do something or say something that they should not have. Although words and actions can and should be used to judge one's character, it is important to do so proportional to the offense that has been committed. To me, all this shows is that PewDiePie is an insensitive asshole who contributes to toxicity in gaming, but attacking his character with claims of him being an irredeemable racist is going a bit too far in my mind.

Whole lotta buts in here.

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There are levels to racism besides not racist and Klu Klux Klan member.

Whoa man but being labeled a racist is worse then being a racist! (Sarcasm) It really is fucking amazing people just jump to the most extreme and think long as your not burning them in the streets you can't possibly be racist.
 
I still don't get these posts claiming that they be hearing the hard R in music. Unless by the N word they actually mean nigga, which I'm assuming they do

As a black man, the only time I hear that word is by racist.

Honestly, I have a hard time saying it myself.
 
Let's check with bigjeffery to see what is allowed.

He'll say something, then backtrack by being pedantic and end with "I didn't really mean it like that, that's not what I meant". It will all amount to nothing.

I wouldn't recommend it.
 
It's really striking how flagrantly racist you can be and still have people rush to your defense. I'd like to think most of them are kids who just haven't developed much perspective or empathy yet, but I also know quite a few adults who say similar things when they're off guard.

Everyone knows they're not supposed to be racist, but too many people let themselves be racist anyway, then make excuses when they're called on it. Online gaming in particular is a cesspool of casual, unthinking racism. I guess it's appropriate that the most popular gamer online is emblematic of that problem.
 
The reaction to PDP isn't overreacting at all.
He is by far the most influential person in his entire medium, and rivals movie stars like RDJ for the younger kids. He has that much influence. He is held to a much higher standard because of his status with kids.

If RDJ, Jlaw, Chris Pratt, or whoever was in this situation, they would immediately be out of jobs or have contracts terminated, because of their standing in the public.
There is nobody to hold PDP accountable aside from ourselves, because Twitch and YouTube sure as shit won't.

That's a good point. Mel Gibson got black listed for years for going on a racist drunken tangent. When you become a public figure, you don't get to say what you want on video without any kind of ramifications.
 
What is up with the argument we're seeing on here about PDP's true character? It really doesn't matter if he *truly* is an iredeemable racist or not.

We have to use his actions to judge his character.

He acts like a racist.

What are people missing here? If he truly isn't a racist then he needs to make up for it through his damn actions.

They really want to sell the argument of "it can happen to anyone". BREAKING NEWS, it doesn't if you're not a pos with that word in your usual vocabulary.

And then we have those who think he's not racist for saying the word. I mean, what kind of logic jumps are going on in those brains. People puting walls of text to
cover their "both sides" or the poor PDP always hated and victim, like he's some kind of child.
 
After watching this develop for a couple of days I think there are some strong overreactions on both sides. Now before I go on, I just want to say I'm not trying to take a 'centrist' view here; PewDiePie was wrong to say that word, he should not be defended for saying that word, and he should issue an honest apology for saying that word. It's not appropriate or a show of good character to say, especially since he has a young, impressionable audience.

However, I think people are looking a bit too far into this. I've seen people very quick to denounce PewDiePie as an irredeemable racist because of this, and I just have to disagree. Now I don't watch his videos or know him personally, so I can't say I can be an absolute judge about this, and that goes both ways. However, I do know he has met some controversy over a tasteless Jew joke prior to this. Still, just because someone says a bad (albeit racially charged) word or makes a tasteless joke doesn't immediately make them racist. Is it childish, incentive, and inappropriate? Yes, absolutely. But the 'joke' behind what was said about the Jews was not PewDiePie laying out his anti-semetic viewpoint on Jewish people, but rather a "hey, let's make people who can't read English say something horrible." Once again, tasteless and immature, but I don't think worthy of a racist label. Same goes for this slip. Totally inappropriate and completely wrong of him to say, but I don't think his entire viewpoints on race should be judged by something of this caliber. It's not like JonTron who went on those utterly vile Twitter rants that clearly outlined his backwards politics and drew some serious question to comments he's made in the past. All in all, I don't think people should be so quick to assume the absolute worst about PewDiePie; I know this is a great opportunity to do so - especially if you're not a fan of him - but some of this outrage has really been blown out of proportion to what he said.

Same goes to the other side who are defending and attempting to justify what PewDiePie said; it's completely unjustifiable to say (which is why I've been dancing around using the n-word outright), and those who are trying to make a point by using it casually or calling critics of PewDiePie that word are being even worse and just contributing toxicity to the larger gaming community. It's not "just a word" and just because you say it all the time when you're angry doesn't make it okay to say ever. The history of the n-word should not be glazed over and made casual "just because rappers say it." Context is key, and PewDiePie used the word in a derogatory way. Not one that any solid political positions on race (other than insensitivity and unconcern) can be drawn out from, but a terrible word to use nonetheless.

If anyone is angry over this, I'm not trying to say you don't have a right to be; you absolutely do. Like I said, PewDiePie is in the complete wrong here. But I think it's important to accept that sometimes people just fuck up and do something or say something that they should not have. Although words and actions can and should be used to judge one's character, it is important to do so proportional to the offense that has been committed. To me, all this shows is that PewDiePie is an insensitive asshole who contributes to toxicity in gaming, but attacking his character with claims of him being an irredeemable racist is going a bit too far in my mind.

I have been gaming for more than 30 years. So have my friends. In that time I haven't used the n-word in a gaming session. Neither have any of my friends. It would be an unnatural word to say in a fit of anger because it is not a word we use day to day. If for some reason I did accidentally use it (which again I cannot even fathom), my remorse would be real and palpable. I would not be laughing about it. I would be putting down the controller and re-evaluating where I have come. That is after a heartfelt apology to those who might have heard me. If I was streaming I would end the stream right there (perhaps after the apology).

If saying racist things, and making racist jokes does not make you a racist what actually does? Real question. What are the factors? How many times is one allowed to "slip"? This isn't his first time. Do you need to own a white hood or a card with a picture of Hitler on it? Is anything below that OK? What is the criteria? Seriously, real question.
 
Lol what black YouTubers
Mainly one guy who goes with the nickname "some black guy" shitty videos, shitty content. Checking some of his past videos he is obviously traying to appeal to the right and Trump supporters, shitting on all the "liberuls". I guess he just tries to fit in, god bless him.
 
I mean yeah, calling someone a "fucking [n-word]" is probably maybe bad I guess, but aren't the people who DON'T say it really just as bad? What if they were the real bad ones for some reason, and the people who call people [n-words] are actually the good ones? And really, words are just abstract concepts without meaning, so really, you should stop criticizing people for the words and ideas they espouse, because you're being DOUBLE racist if you treat different words differently!
 
There are levels to racism besides not racist and Klu Klux Klan member.
Judging by the posts in the last few pages, it would be hard to reach that conclusion. That is how people perceive Pewdiepie right now. They express it with numerous insults and derogatory descriptions alongside the word racist. The problem is that the word racist is a catch-all in today's culture. We use these labels to identify our enemies and group them together. It's just our version of tribalism and it's not a good thing to just pretend labeling him a racist or nazi over and over will actually solve the underlying problem.

Let's see if it works this time or it just empowers his fanbase and garners new supporters in the alt-right that set out to support him not to promote racism but to spite the left.
 
Mainly one guy who goes with the nickname "some black guy" shitty videos, shitty content. Checking some of his past videos he is obviously traying to appeal to the right and Trump supporters, shitting on all the "liberuls". I guess he just tries to fit in, god bless him.

He's just trying to make a buck. He knows where the money is on youtube.

Also see "thatguyt"
 
I mean yeah, calling someone a "fucking [n-word]" is probably maybe bad I guess, but aren't the people who DON'T say it really just as bad? What if they were the real bad ones for some reason, and the people who call people [n-words] are actually the good ones? And really, words are just abstract concepts without meaning, so really, you should stop criticizing people for the words and ideas they espouse, because you're being DOUBLE racist if you treat different words differently!
Finally, some sense in this thread

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