Za-Neen-Jya
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So from what I read on the Guardian, Trump is already using this shooting as an excuse to get out of going to Puerto Rico.
Mass shooting at the Mandalay Bay Las Vegas; 58 dead, 500+ injured.
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And he never should.
Hey how does that guy on YouTube have a modded console? There is your answer. Selling mods is not illegal. Also grey market and grandfathered in weapons.
Im not saying its impossible but its highly unlikely. We know there is data out there. The problem is that the way our government is set up, and the way the Bill of Rights is so highly revered, it would be next to impossible to change on a huge basis. To make an amendment that changed or nullified the 2nd amendment, it would take 2/3 states to ratify (never mind Congress passing and the President supporting it). I can name, off the top of my head, probably 30-35 states that would absolutely oppose that, with maybe, MAYBE five of those being able to be swayed to supporting it. Thats still over 50% opposed so it wouldnt pass.
Add to that, the US SC has time and again said that the second amendment is fine and they support how it has been interpreted recently. So now not only does it have precedence, if any case were brought up to the SC any time soon, the current Justices are favoring conservatives so theyd likely just uphold it again.
Spring-Loaded
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Yeah, you really do.
No, they're banned. Federally. Anything pre-ban is still out there, but will cost you tens of thousands.
jellies_two
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It's not full auto it's another bump fire product that with typical American ingenuity gets round the pesky laws
https://fostechoutdoors.com/shop/index.php?l=product_list&c=5
So they get to pretend full auto weapons are banned - then can buy parts that functionally create the same thing (almost), and the mods are super cheap and legal.
Fluffernutter Pancake
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You offer your warmest wishes, and your deepest condolences................man, Trump needs an editor for his tweets.....
That's like saying "I'm joyfully sorry for you" when you mean to say "I'm awfully sorry for you"..............*shaking head*.............
They asked when any of the France attacks killed that many not when France has had a shooting incident of that scale. My post wasn't about the gun debate in any way and I don't wish to be dragged into that never ending debate. Was simply reminding them of that attack since they asked when a France attack killed that many.
Kill Your Masters
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Well duh!
Other western countries have significantly less gun related deaths. Stats don't lie. You guys have a gun problem that other countries don't. You are up there with Pakistan and Sudan, and a little below fucking Iraq!
Your proposal is dig deeper to fix it, while you could fix the issue to a certain degree already by having better regulation, and then try and fix the other causes. But you don't. You want to go for the harder problem while ignoring a crucial step between and doing nothing. (you love your guns too much which is why it wont ever get fixed)
Audioboxer
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It's usually a massacre or mass shooting unless there is a political/religious/ideological motive. Whoever Stephen Paddock is they'll be investigating his place of residence/family/social media accounts/employer/history/record/etc to see if they can find a link to a terrorism-related motive. By they I mean the police/intelligence services/counter-terrorism. Don't pay attention to the internet detectives doing investigations, it appears there are already wrong people identified and harmed, as the idiots online usually do. It appears reddit were deleting topics due to multiple wrong identifications/social media accounts. This always happens and IIRC it's led to suicide in the past when wrong people have the whole internet trashing their social media accounts and calling them killers.
It goes without saying hopefully these hotels finally beef up their baggage checks and systems, I always thought it to be very odd that you can just waltz into these massive establishments with so much traffic daily without so much as a simple metal detector system or a real baggage check
Don't really care about convienience if this is the world obviously
Don't really care about convienience if this is the world obviously
GoldenEye 007
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Automatic weapons are not illegal in the US. They simply require some additional paperwork and a $200 tax stamp from the ATF. This applies to full auto guns, destructive devices, suppressors, etc.
For fucks sake.
This incident should absolutely make gun-control and mental health the prevailing conversation in this country. Not in a week or two, not when it's convenient. NOW. And to a further extent, the absurd amount of influence lobbying has on our laws and politics. This shit is sickening and we should be endeavoring to prevent it as much as possible. That means changes to fundamental aspects of our society and laws. Without that change, these mass shootings will continue. How long should we hold off this kind of discussion? Until the next mass shooting with an even higher death count?!
Well you stated with confidence that all full-auto weapons are banned, but they are frequently shown at firing-ranges.
My bad, that one was, but this isn't:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X517Utblb00
or to keep it within the confines of rifles only:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atntd0XlQxg
Jesus christ, this is horrible. My thoughts go out to everyone involved.
Warmest condolences? Huh?
Shake Appeal
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So he was a responsible gun owner until he wasn't.
Glass Shark
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Lets be honest with ourselves, its absolutely true, and its because of our culture in America.
I want to be incredibly clear: I support super strict gun control. Like beyond Japan or Australia levels. And that kind of gun control would prevent or reduce the amount of death or injuries in these kind of cases. But America is so broken as a country that it wouldnt stop people from stabbing, bombing, driving cars into crowds, etc.
Guns are a huge contributor to the problems of American violence. Lack of access to mental health care is another one. But the root of the matter is far deeper than that. It comes from hatred and animosity that no other civilized nation experiences.
TheCochese
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Not news you want to wake up to. Fuck.
No one wants this. It may be the inevitable future but most people arent going to be happy with getting searched every time they go to their hotel room.
What you're describing is incremental improvement, which is the basis of pretty much all human progress.
Of course gun control won't set homicide rates to zero. But the efficiency of the tool makes a difference, and making access harder will help reducing them from 3rd world levels to something more akin to developed nations.
You're not waltzing in anywhere. There are cameras everywhere. You can tracked at all times on the Strip. There are also security and police everywhere. It would take a highly organized and highly unusual effort to get this done.
Officerrob
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Nothing will happen
Audioboxer
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The death count will rise quite a bit with that many injured.
jellies_two
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This guy and the way he did it is so well designed to be a poster child for new bans that I can already hear the industry churning into motion that will generate reams of crap evidence he was some kind of mind controlled Obama Clinton drone suicide bombing the NRA.
Mammoth Jones
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Fuck. This is terrible.
They're not banned. Just hard to get since they're NFA Class 3 weapons.
They're not banned. Just hard to get since they're NFA Class 3 weapons.
He has an FFL or knows someone that does that loans him the weapons while standing off camera. FYI his house was raided by the ATF in 2013.
You cant stop everything so its better to do nothing
Seatbelts dont stop all fatal car accidents. They have generally made the outcomes better.
You logic is really bad here. I mean if you dont want gun control because you believe it infringes on someones rights then you should just come out and say it. That would be more honest that the statement you are using to defend the lack of policy change.
Ok, gotcha.
Crimson-Death
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If Adam Lanza and Sandy Hook did not provoke a wake up call, the US finally decided it's an acceptable price to pay for the Inalienable right to bear arms and self defense. But really such a disgusting notion is the result of deep pockets and financial interests selling it all to the stupid masses of sheep. If it hurts the bottom line, common sense restrictions are out the windows of liberty.
OMG horrible news to wake up to.
I feel even worse because just yesterday I was debating gun control with a friend and thought to myself that it 'feels' like it's been a long time since our last mass shooting.
That's how I know there's a problem. When this has become so commonplace around the country you start noticing when it's been a while since the last one.
I feel even worse because just yesterday I was debating gun control with a friend and thought to myself that it 'feels' like it's been a long time since our last mass shooting.
That's how I know there's a problem. When this has become so commonplace around the country you start noticing when it's been a while since the last one.
And that scares the shit out of me.
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It is a completely stupid point to make. You can't eliminate all viruses from everywhere forever, so let's not make any vaccines!
Smart!
Because you don't have the police kick down your door if there's evidence you have a modded console.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCppmoZiXUY
Here is VICE reporting a full-auto weapons shoot in Arizona. It is not being treated as some sort of illicit arms trade. It is clearly legal to own them.
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This is crazy. America HAS to ban guns. This is insane.
Single shot assault rifles can and do get modified to be automatic.
Obviously nobody wants it but it needs to be a thing in high traffic areas like this, considering the destruction 1 person can generate, I was actually surprised at how little security existed checking into the Vegas hotels on the strip I've been at
Security meaning a simple bag check in this case considering one response I got already, obviously cameras exist but they cannot see into somebody's bag, they can only identify you after the fact
Sgt.Pepper
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What the fuck I woke up to. This is awful.
Americans aren't some magical beings apart from the rest of the world. Put measures in place to limit guns and over time, even if it's decades, guns will be limited.
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