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[Lime]

https://twitter.com/GunDeaths/status/914577120579465216

 

[Subpar Scrub]

But did Australia such an insane obsession with guns as America does? I don't think it would work the same way unfortunately.

We certainly loved them. Almost every male family member I know over 45-50 had a gun before the ban. Some of them kept them and de-milled them though.

Maybe it wouldn't work 100% instantly, but steps need to be taken.

 

[Like the hat?]

My brothers live in Vegas. Heard from one but not from the other. I doubt he would have been at a country concert but who knows.

 

[HariKari]

It can't be some sick sort of extended suicide, right? Wtf, I want to know what the "motives" were.

Reports of his lady friend threatening people in the crowd, telling them they were going to die, about 45 minutes before the shooting started on the local news.

 

[Subpar Scrub]

"In excess of 10 rifles"

Just stated on live stream.

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/watch-live-las-vegas-shooting-nbc-news-special-report-1059580483750

 

[kmax]

Sherrif just said that it was 10+ rifles.

 

[Steel]

Apparently the guy killed himself? And he had 10+ guns?

It can't be some sick sort of extended suicide, right? Wtf, I want to know what the "motives" were.

It could totally be extended suicide.

 

[Bits N Pieces]

Even if the president and every single elected politician agreed, it would have 0 chance of happening.

Registries are largely non existent outside of the most extreme shit.

There are already 250-300 MILLION guns in the states. Yes 250-300 million as of 2013 (pew research link at bottom).

Even the most strict draconian methods of eliminating gun ownership in the states would be a fucking violent shit show where trigger happy police would have a fucking field day.

This isn't to say I'm not for much stricter rules.
- If your gun is stolen and used in a crime and there's evidence it was out of your possession/theft is unreported for 48+ hours you're an accomplice.
- Anyone who living in your household uses your gun in a crime you share in the charges, 100% your fault if someone unstable or a child gets a hold of it.
- Mandatory multi-week gun safety classes for any first time purchaser.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ricans-own-guns-but-just-how-many-is-unclear/

I get thats its the American way and part of the constitution and all that, but something has to chang, it has too.

Dunblane: How UK school massacre led to tighter gun control

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/12/17/world/europe/dunblane-lessons/index.html

You can do this, you just have to want too.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

https://twitter.com/GunDeaths/status/914577120579465216

Holy shit.

 

[jellies_two]

https://www.fostechoutdoors.com/shop/images/files/combined-foeller-web.pdf

The certification letter for one of the several devices that convert a gun into one that can be fired faster than a finger can twitch,

Clearly the definition of a machine gun (which is banned) was not well thought out.
A machine gun should be defined as a gun that can fire - no matter via what mechanism - without continuous finger movements, instead the definition is a gun that requires only a single activation of the trigger.

By inventing a device that shakes the gun against the finger they have made a joke of the legislation.

 

[platocplx]

Over 400 injured. This is just crazy.

 

[Eidan]

Jesus, this one is surreal. I literally had an event at the Four Seasons at Mandaley Bay just weeks ago.

 

[Not]

Let’s see if the American populace comes out with the same passion for gun legislation after this horrible tragedy as they had for NFL players peacefully protesting by taking a knee.

Disrespecting our flag!

Let me ask, what is it that makes America great?

Nothing. It's the same old ancient glorification of nationalism and tribalism, now with global ramifications thanks to technological advancements made possible by an initial attempt at a democratic government and free market.

 

[HariKari]

Sherrif just said that it was 10+ rifles.

Mandalay Bay has some explaining to do as to why moving that much gear didn't seem odd to them.

 

[Oriel]

"In excess of 10 rifles"

Just stated on live stream.

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/watch-live-las-vegas-shooting-nbc-news-special-report-1059580483750

He just loved freedom so much you understand.

Spoiler

/S

 

[JonnyDBrit]

So the fucker wasn't even reloading, but grabbing a new gun each time he ran out of ammunition?

 

[chromhound]

Lone Wolf wtf ? But when it's a muslim he's a terrorist?... My condolences for all the lives lost and i pray for the people that were hurt to be healed

 

[BunnyBear]

We certainly loved them. Almost every male family member I know over 45-50 had a gun before the ban. Some of them kept them and de-milled them though.

Maybe it wouldn't work 100% instantly, but steps need to be taken.

Bullshit, guns were not that widespread in Australia even before the ban. They were still rare.

 

[D4Danger]

How do you get 10+ rifles into a hotel? I mean surely someone would notice that unless you doing it in multiple trips but even then that looks odd.

 

[Johnny Cage In The Shower]

Any word on the the female partner of this man? I think I heard that she may have been in the crowd, watching the concert as well?

Hope this Is not some fucked up shit like that? Man loses his shit over a woman?

Sounds highly unlikely though, due to his older age and the fact that he was thoroughly prepared to do this horrific act! with all the weapons found and preparation in his hotel room

 

[llien]

https://twitter.com/GunDeaths/status/914577120579465216

271 mass shootings in 2017?
It happens on average more than once per day???????

 

[Subpar Scrub]

So the fucker wasn't even reloading, but grabbing a new gun each time he ran out of ammunition?

It would probably be quicker.

 

[AcademicSaucer]

Crazy that no one found suspicious that this guy owned so many rifles

 

[sirap]

And sometimes it is lone wolf. I suggest waiting until we get more information before installing your preconcieved notions.

 

[Pesmerga00]

Basically. That's what happened in Aus. Didn't work 100%, obviously, but most were surrendered.

Every now and again the police will say "Hey guys, it's a surrender weekend. Call us about an unregistered gun on your property and we'll come and take it, no charges (Unless they find it was used in a crime etc)."

Different culture regarding guns. I want them completely gone save for hunting. The numbers we are talking about are astronomical. Do you really expect some rich asshole to surrender his multi-million dollar gun collection, happily over the weekend?

 

[Spinoff90]

Any word on the the female partner of this man? I think I heard that she may have been in the crowd, watching the concert as well?

Hope this Is not some fucked up shit like that? Man loses his shit over a woman?

Sounds highly unlikely though, due to his older age and the fact that he was thoroughly prepared to do this horrific act! with all the weapons found and preparation in his hotel room

They just announced she is out of the country so she was never with him. Explains the oddity before of why they didn't know if they found her for sure and just thought so. They would have been dealing with foreign police bringing her in. Impressive how fast they found her out of the country unless she saw her face on the news and went to the police herself in whatever country she is in.

 

[Croatoan]

Let's try it out.

Maybe scores of people will stop dying exponentially for no reason at all.

Or maybe you have more logistic complaints? More reasons why it "would never work?" More protesting action in the face of horror?

Its not exponential.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....able_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2010-2014.xls

While its true that terror attacks are happening at an increased rate, likely do to the sensationalism in the media of each one leading to copy cats or "Glory killers", gun related homicide has been going down even as of late. The most gun murders are actually shootings with pistols by a large amount. More people are killed by knives, fists or blunt objects every year than rifles.

 

[Snkfanatic]

Mandalay Bay has some explaining to do as to why moving that much gear didn't seem odd to them.

Not sure why you would think that....stuff like this can be put in suit cases.

 

[HazySaiyan]

We certainly loved them. Almost every male family member I know over 45-50 had a gun before the ban. Some of them kept them and de-milled them though.

Maybe it wouldn't work 100% instantly, but steps need to be taken.

Absolutely something needs to be done, but I just get the impression that Australia's attitude to guns was never as zealous as America's. I could be wrong on that.

 

[platocplx]

Crazy that no one found suspicious that this guy owned so many rifles

Some people collect guns. So that’s probally why.

 

[Not]

Its not exponential.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....able_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2010-2014.xls

While its true that terror attacks are happening at an increased rate, likely do to the sensationalism in the media of each one leading to copy cats or "Glory killers", gun related homicide has been going down even as of late. The percentage of gun crimes are actually mostly shootings with pistols. More people are killed by knives, fists or blunt objects than rifles.

I didn't choose that word carefully.

Crazy that no one found suspicious that this guy owned so many rifles

That's known as "patriotism" here.

 

[Lime]

271 mass shootings in 2017?
It happens on average more than once per day???????

Yes

 

[OriginalPoe]

I'm already so angry and paranoid these days, which I loathe.

Wish I could just be numb but this kind of thing makes it all worse.

Channel it. Going numb helps no one and nothing.

 

[acheron_xl]

We certainly loved them. Almost every male family member I know over 45-50 had a gun before the ban. Some of them kept them and de-milled them though.

Maybe it wouldn't work 100% instantly, but steps need to be taken.

Only a gun? I knew a guy who, once all his children reached adult age and moved out, turned one of his vacant bedrooms over to his dozens (hundreds?) of guns. Real gun nuts can arm a milita single-handedly.

 

[psychowave]

https://twitter.com/GunDeaths/status/914577120579465216

For fuck's sake, America, just ban guns already.

Spoiler

Yes, I know it's not that easy. But steps need to be taken towards a full ban nonetheless.

 

[Purple_Tentacle]

How many of the performers at this concert are "NRA Country" featured performers? At least one.

The NRA has, year over year, seeded cultural warfare. What happens when their sponsored violence meets their sponsored entertainment?

 

[MickeyPhree]

How do you get 10+ rifles into a hotel? I mean survey someone would notice that unless you doing it in multiple trips but even then that looks odd.

A couple in a bag/big suitcase. Take each bag up one at a time. That does not seem suspicious.

 

[Subpar Scrub]

Bullshit, guns were not that widespread in Australia even before the ban. They were still rare.

I'm just speaking from personal experience and statements from family, friends, my local police and detectives etc. No need to get aggressive.

Absolutely something needs to be done, but I just get the impression that Australia's attitude to guns was never as zealous as America's. I could be wrong on that.

Oh absolutely, it's not really genuinely comparable. Doesn't mean it wouldn't be a good start though.

 

[DrForester]

From the Sheriff's Press Conference.


- 10+ rifles in the hotel room
- Suspect has been there since Thursday the 28th.

 

[Gai Murakumo]

If this does not lead for a push of gun control I will be pissed. Even though I do not live in the States something truly needs to be done. The 2nd amendment needs to be either rewritten or abolished entirely. I feel only the army and law enforcement should have access to sniper rifles and assault rifles, not Joe Schmoe American.

 

[Milennia]

I wonder when he checked in, could have been there for a little while

Edit - answered

 

[HariKari]

Not sure why you would think that....stuff like this can be put in suit cases.

10+ rifles with thousands of rounds is a lot of suitcases.

I wonder when he checked in, could have been there for a little while

Saturday the 28th.

 

[Haloid1177]

Yup, people need to realize that a large portion of the military is from the south and would not attack their own people. You want a civil war, like a real one? Then try to grab guns. The mutinies would be rampant, police would turn on government and it would be middle of the country vs both coasts.

Who do think is going to win that after your military is split in half? Are you ok with carpet bombing Americans?

I'm friends with one of the captains for the local police department, and he said if they were ever tasked with removing guns from civilians they would either defy the order or quit. I was shocked but not shocked.

 

[2blackcats]

It's always a dude.

Like, always.

Maybe only women should be allowed to carry ARs.

 

[andythinkpad]

Asking America ban gun is like asking Israel move out of West Bank. It will never happen. I am sorry for the deceased. But there is really nothing you can do. Buy more life insurance that's pretty much it. Me and my wife was at Vegas last Nov. This could have happened to us. There is nothing you or I can do.

In case I didn't make myself clear, yes I am in complete support of gun ban.

 

[mackattk]

Crazy he was able to get 10 rifles to his hotel room without being suspected of anything.

 

[Sayad]

Gambling losses maybe?

The guy came to Vegas with the intent of pulling this off, he had eight(edit: 10 now!) guns in the room!

 

[D4Danger]

Not sure why you would think that....stuff like this can be put in suit cases.

Would it not seem odd though if someone kept going out and coming back with their suitcase?

 

[The Greek Freak]

Let's try it out.

Maybe scores of people will stop dying exponentially for no reason at all.

Or maybe you have more logistic complaints? More reasons why it "would never work?" More protesting action in the face of horror?

It's simply a numbers game, with 300+ million guns it is simply impossible unless you want to pay for and allow the government to allow trigger happy police to literally search every property in America (which still wouldn't be enough).

Would it not seem odd though if someone kept going out and coming back with their suitcase?

There are hundred's of legitimate or weird but non violent reasons why someone would do that.

 

[Boss X]

Apparently he was camp'd there since sept. 28th?