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[Warm Machine]

The video of those shots going off sure as shit sounds like automatic gunfire to me. If semi autos can fire that fast there isn’t a meaningful difference.

It’s definatly an automatic or a semi-auto with some kind of mod. I’m sure the full arsenal will be brought out soon for the media.

 

[2blackcats]

Except that hand guns are the most prevalent killing weapons in the US.

A long barrel semi auto with a 5 shot clip or shotgun should be the extent and then it should need a license.

I understand that but we have to start somewhere. Your not going to get 550+ casualties with a pistol.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Americans need to arm themselves and put out a hitlist on gun lobbyists and the NRA.
Shoot them all dead. And their families dead. Then, maybe they'll think free access to firearms is a bad idea. But probably not.

uhhh you lost me there when you suggested people murder innocents with guns to prove a point about gun violence.

hopefully you're not even remotely serious and just passionately pissed off like the rest of us.

 

[Vilix]

It should be noted that automatic weapons aren't even illegal in Nevada. So without knowing what rifles he actually had we can't say for sure whether they were illegal or not.

Another thing to add is that, unlike semi automatic weapons, fully automatic weapons are heavily regulated, registered with all local and federal authorities, and easily traced. Unless he obtained these weapons illegally, or converted them from semi automatic to full, there should be multiple paper trails.

 

[Aztechnology]

That's the law in almost every state. It should also be noted that legal automatic weapons cost upwards of $20,000 and require months of paperwork processing. There have been only two known instances of homicides with legally owned full-autos after the NFA act of 1934, and both cases happened long before the 1986 manufacturing ban, so prices weren't prohibitive as they are now. So while it's POSSIBLE that this guy had legally purchased full-autos (especially given that he was rich), it's much more likely that the guns were illegally modified.

He moved to Vegas in 2015 which would have given him plenty of time to acquire the weapons.

 

[Dixon's Jet]

Americans need to arm themselves and put out a hitlist on gun lobbyists and the NRA.
Shoot them all dead. And their families dead. Then, maybe they'll think free access to firearms is a bad idea. But probably not.

That's evil. You must reconsider this awful post.

 

[Dunedain_Ranger]

Americans need to arm themselves and put out a hitlist on gun lobbyists and the NRA.
Shoot them all dead. And their families dead. Then, maybe they'll think free access to firearms is a bad idea. But probably not.

What really ?

 

[maladroit]

That's the problem, this guy was squeaky clean. There needs to be much tougher gun laws not just background checks.

Those kind of guns should not be available to buy. The line should be pistols and reasonable hunting equipment.

What does that help considering the majority of gun violence stems from handguns?

 

[Watch Da Birdie]

Looked up his statement on Google... And WTF.

Apparently Hillary made an "ignorant" statement about the GOP wanting to stop the bill restricting silencers and everyone is up in arms.

I guess she might've been "wrong" in her assumption that had he had a silencer people wouldn't have fled from hearing the gunshots, but I thought what she said was fairly reasonable...if not related to this event specifically still fitting with the fact that we do need to reconsider gun laws and not make it easier.

 

[Polari]

Guys I appreciate the attempt at driving home the point that the face of terrorism can look like any color/background, but Terrorism has to have political motivations right? We should probably stop calling this "an act of Terror" till information about motivations and reasons by the perpetrator are revealed.

Unless there's a political motivation, this isn't terrorism. Look it up in a dictionary already. Could there be a political motivation? Sure. We just don't know at this point.

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

https://twitter.com/igorvolsky

I like this guy!

 

[mike6467]

uhhh you lost me there when you suggested people murder innocents with guns to prove a point about gun violence

Agree 100%, we don't need this shit.

I've spent too long today looking at this stuff. I just got off work and I'm going home to go play some overly cheerful (or overly depressing, not sure yet) video games, then go decompress at the gym.

Take care of yourselves all.

 

[KraftyKrankins]

Americans need to arm themselves and put out a hitlist on gun lobbyists and the NRA.
Shoot them all dead. And their families dead. Then, maybe they'll think free access to firearms is a bad idea. But probably not.

Oh just fuck off. That's not the solution.

 

[2blackcats]

He moved to Vegas in 2015 which would have given him plenty of time to acquire the weapons.

He was rich too. So them being expensive is irrelevant

 

[Unknown Soldier]

What is it going to take for people in Washington to wake up and say "enough is enough?"

Sandy Hook happened and the result was nothing. So the answer is nothing.

 

[Warm Machine]

I understand that but we have to start somewhere. Your not going to get 550+ casualties with a pistol.

Of course not and I agree with steps to get guns out of people’s hands.

 

[Nishastra]

Him "never leaving the house except to go gambling" sounds kind of concerning---I know "let people be" and all, but I'd worry something was up if I was his family.

I mean, that's what old people move to Vegas to do. That's what my grandparents did until they weren't able to leave the house by themselves any more.

 

[GetLucky]

What does that help considering the majority of gun violence stems from handguns?

Uh... so people don't gun down hundreds of people from hotel windows?

 

[Gai Murakumo]

The video of those shots going off sure as shit sounds like automatic gunfire to me. If semi autos can fire that fast there isn’t a meaningful difference.

Unless it is a extremely modified Semi-Auto that was definitely an Automatic.

 

[TaterTots]

The video of those shots going off sure as shit sounds like automatic gunfire to me. If semi autos can fire that fast there isn't a meaningful difference.

It was a AR-15 modified. Oddly enough, handguns cause way more deaths than semi/automatic weapons. Personally, I believe we should make it more difficult for someone to purchase any type of firearm. I know the statistics. 3-11% of crimes committed with a firearm were obtained legally, so that makes legal gun owners feel threatened. Well, if those firearms are obtained illegally, then why not make it more difficult for those weapons to leave the store so we lower the chance of a criminal obtaining them?

 

[2blackcats]

What does that help considering the majority of gun violence stems from handguns?

Well, it stops this particular event.

 

[Aztechnology]

Apparently Hillary made an "ignorant" statement about the GOP wanting to stop the bill restricting silencers and everyone is up in arms.

I guess she might've been "wrong" in her assumption that had he had a silencer people wouldn't have fled from hearing the gunshots, but I thought what she said was fairly reasonable...if not related to this event specifically still fitting with the fact that we do need to reconsider gun laws and not make it easier.

Literally up in arms in this case... Gun sales I'm sure are skyrocketing.

I like this guy!

Daaamn. Well done.

 

[Watch Da Birdie]

I mean, that's what old people move to Vegas to do. That's what my grandparents did until they weren't able to leave the house by themselves any more.

Perhaps but it doesn't seem healthy even if it is the norm.

 

[ZOONAMI]

I understand that but we have to start somewhere. Your not going to get 550+ casualties with a pistol.

What about 6 pistols, 2 shotguns, and body armor? Maybe not 500 injuries but you could sure as shit kill 50+ in a crowd with easily obtainable and concealable weapons. Why does anyone need six pistols? You got me, but you can have them if you want them.

If you’re going to ban anything pistols is where you start, followed closely by anything that can be modded to a full auto.

 

[Shadow Puppetry]

Alex jones is already saying the police found him 'covered in antifa crap'.

Yep, saw that with Trump morons on Twitter.

 

[MaximL]

He took that many weapons 80 miles in case gambling didn't go his way? A pistol and a bullet is all you need if you think you might gamble yourself into suicide. This was premeditated, but his reasons were not broadcasted openly which is not typical for this manner of tragedy.

I think the fact he had the weapons there since September 28 makes it less of a "snap" and more of a gradual decline into premeditated terrorism. This isn't someone returning to an office in a fit of rage after being fired or laid off. You will probably hear that he was an unassuming, "perfect guest" with no history of creating problems for any hotel or casino he was patronizing. It just seems too cold and calculating to be spur of the moment.

Let just hope they can get into his phone and computer, as that will be the only gateway into his madness. To plan something like this must have taken a while and you wouldn't plan something like this without a motive.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

Americans care more for killing each other than helping each other.

 

[UberTag]

Americans need to arm themselves and put out a hitlist on gun lobbyists and the NRA.
Shoot them all dead. And their families dead. Then, maybe they'll think free access to firearms is a bad idea. But probably not.

That's evil. You must reconsider this awful post.

Clearly I'm being facetious and don't consider this an actual solution.
But I made it outlandish to make a point. That's how broken your situation is as a country right now.

Americans care more for killing each other than helping each other.

This guy understands.

 

[devilhawk]

That's the problem, this guy was squeaky clean. There needs to be much tougher gun laws not just background checks.

Those kind of guns should not be available to buy. The line should be pistols and reasonable hunting equipment.

If you had to pick a weapon type to ban it would be pistols. Rifles are used in a tiny fraction of murders and suicides.

 

[Calion]

Found dead in the hotel of self-inflicted wound

Nope. Prove it.

 

[Hippopuncher12]

Americans need to arm themselves and put out a hitlist on gun lobbyists and the NRA.
Shoot them all dead. And their families dead. Then, maybe they'll think free access to firearms is a bad idea. But probably not.

...This is a terrible idea, and post.

Edit: Nevermind I just saw your next post.

 

[2blackcats]

What about 6 pistols, 2 shotguns, and body armor? Maybe not 500 injuries but you could sure as shit kill 50+ in a crowd with easily obtainable and concealable weapons. Why does anyone need six pistols? You got me, but you can have them if you want them.

Sorry, I didn't mean to start this kind of discussion.

https://youtu.be/LORVfnFtcH0

I posted that on the last page, sums it up pretty well.

If you had to pick a weapon type to ban it would be pistols. Rifles are used in a tiny fraction of murders and suicides.

Of course. But it's far more reasonable to have the right to own a pistol than to own a military grade assault rifle.

 

[jellies_two]

Unless it is a extremely modified Semi-Auto that was definitely an Automatic.

"Extreme" modification means taking off the stock and replacing it with a modified one that you can buy and use legally and have fedex ship to you for less than 300 bucks?

 

[Shaneus]

It’s an economic problem. As an idea, if life insurance companies or medical insurance companies stopped covering you, or charged you a 2x premium if you own a firearm people themselves would willfully give up their guns. If you die and it turns out you did own a gun, insurance doesn’t pay out. Insurance companies bump up your premiums if you smoke, they can do the same for other hazards.

Oh wow, that's an awesome idea. Just like there are paper charged higher health care premiums if they're smokers or have a pre-existing condition, so should being a gun owner.

 

[Bad_Boy]

Americans care more for killing each other than helping each other.

As much as i hate this event. Not true.

I think there is more good than bad in america.

 

[Mahonay]

If you had to pick a weapon type to ban it would be pistols. Rifles are used in a tiny fraction of murders and suicides.

Semi-auto rifles seem to often be the weapon of choice when it comes to these mass shootings.

But yes, murders with pistols are far more common.

 

[Nokterian]

I like this guy!

i've been following him for almost 2 or 3 years on twitter he exposes every single politician who got paid not only that he shows facts.

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

Clearly I'm being facetious and don't consider this an actual solution.
But I made it outlandish to make a point. That's how broken your situation is as a country right now.


This guy understands.

You still might want to put a clarifying statement in your post. That kind of thing could get you banned.

 

[Audioboxer]

What about 6 pistols, 2 shotguns, and body armor? Maybe not 500 injuries but you could sure as shit kill 50+ in a crowd with easily obtainable and concealable weapons. Why does anyone need six pistols? You got me, but you can have them if you want them.

It's one of those pragmatic arguments of scraping the barrel to try and start somewhere. Anytime I see pictures of open carry in America and there are legitimate assault rifles on display I have to pick my jaw up off the floor.

I mean, how does it get to a point where these weapons (assault rifles) are purchased for "self-defence"? So yeah, to start somewhere many will say start with fucking assault files. Pistols due to ease of carrying/hiding and most likely lower costs may well be responsible for most gun crime overall. However, one person with assault rifles, from a distance, has killed at least 58 people and 500 are injured. You're statistically not doing that damage from this distance with a handgun.

 

[MindCollizion]

Horrible tragedy. I'm worried of the repercussions, and lament the loss of all those innocent lives.

 

[chromatic9]

No he is white so he is a lone wolf.

Here is a Somali asylum seeker who ran down people in a van got out and repeatedly stabbed someone, he was carrying an ISIS flag and is still being called a lone wolf.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/01/americas/edmonton-vehicle-attacks-investigation/index.html

I've read it before in other cases. It's not exclusive to white people despite what some on here claim.

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

i've been following him for almost 2 or 3 years on twitter he exposes every single politician who got paid not only that he shows facts.

Do politicians ever acknowledge him?

 

[Pai Pai Master]

As much as i hate this event. Not true.

I think there is more good than bad in america.

Agreed. Unfortunately it's the bad part that has managed to maintain power for too long.

If you are against gun violence in this country, Republicans are literally against you. They profit from their position maintaining the status quo.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

If you had to pick a weapon type to ban it would be pistols. Rifles are used in a tiny fraction of murders and suicides.

In overall crime, sure. And that much should be obvious because a rifle is harder to hide for random crimes.

But I’d wager in mass murder events, the percentage of rifle use goes up quite a bit.

 

[Izuna]

Americans need to arm themselves and put out a hitlist on gun lobbyists and the NRA.
Shoot them all dead. And their families dead. Then, maybe they'll think free access to firearms is a bad idea. But probably not.

Disgusting.

 

[Crimsonclaw111]

Do politicians ever acknowledge him?

Of course not, it would implicate them!

 

[djplaeskool]

Nope. Prove it.

Info from law enforcement press conference this morning.

Mr. Paddock was found dead from a self-inflicted gunshot in his room on the 32nd floor of the hotel, said Sheriff Joseph Lombardo of Clark County, which includes Las Vegas.

 

[studyguy]

Apparently Hillary made an "ignorant" statement about the GOP wanting to stop the bill restricting silencers and everyone is up in arms.

I guess she might've been "wrong" in her assumption that had he had a silencer people wouldn't have fled from hearing the gunshots, but I thought what she said was fairly reasonable...if not related to this event specifically still fitting with the fact that we do need to reconsider gun laws and not make it easier.

I mean you can just look up the quote:

The crowd fled at the sound of gunshots.

Imagine the deaths if the shooter had a silencer, which the NRA wants to make easier to get.

The main reason was that congress was looking to make it easier to buy silencers. The vote was expected this week, now pushed back due to the shooting and outpour of criticism.
Fuck if you really want to get crazy about it, Scalise, the guy who was randomly shot during that congressional baseball game practice was literally brought back to help whip the vote for the silencer bill.

Much like when they brought back McCain to vote for repealing healthcare, GOP has no scruples about the shitty optics of their own having recently suffered at the hands of what they're voting for.

 

[fester]

uhhh you lost me there when you suggested people murder innocents with guns to prove a point about gun violence.

hopefully you're not even remotely serious and just passionately pissed off like the rest of us.

I read this post as an example of what it would take to get real change in this country, not actually advocating the action be done. But honestly, our kids have been killed at school and our politicians shot at, and even that wasn't enough... I can't see any way of breaking the sick fetish that America has for the second Amendment.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Nope. Prove it.

This has been known for like 5 hours now, why is it up to someone else to provide you with facts?

I read this post as an example of what it would take to get real change in this country, not actually advocating the action be done. But honestly, our kids have been killed at school and our politicians shot at, and even that wasn't enough... I can't see any way of breaking the sick fetish that America has for the second Amendment.

I get what they were trying to say. But there should have been some sort of statement there that they didn't actually advocate such barbarism. Without context that they did not provide, it's a disgusting thing to say.

Yes - it is terribly sad that it seems like nothing short of a US Capitol massacre would be able to change the GOP's stance on gun laws. But no one should ever be wishing for that or even entertaining the idea with any serious intent.