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[rodrigolfp]

The thing with comparing to real life camera footage like that is that it heavily depends on the used camera hardware and the settings of the recording. Because being there in real life on a sunny does not really look that sterile either. Now I agree GT:S here looks a tad too saturated and dark in this footage (maybe also due to wheather conditions), but I think camera footage isn't a good representation of real life in terms of colour and brightness.


Just use a couple of different cameras and different settings on the same outdoor scenery (with "poor" lightning conditions) and chances are you will see extremely different results visually and all will look different than actually looking at the scenery in real life.

There are other examples:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-_S79Z0Ays

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Jc51w_VCzE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYMVYY9PmA4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrM3YX6tEt8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaOYPd8nN6Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORK-eTwx1Bc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGePS0xRU2s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO3GTk6QUWY

Nothing oversaturated.

 

[SolidSnakex]

can't tell if this is tongue in check or not haha

 

[Yautja_Warrior]

can't tell if this is tongue in check or not haha

Totally true according to PD.

Thanks for that, saved me finding it.

 

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[jabuseika]

Stolen from Forza 7 gif/screenshot thread, but F7 looks great too in gifs.

Those are like the weakest headlights ever. Don't even illuminate the breeze in front. The body of the car looks completely flat, it sticks out of the picture.

Now notice how the car is a part of the environment.

 

[lowhighkang_LHK]

GT Sport looks much better.

It looks better in certain parts. But it's being compared to Forza 7 maxed out on PC (probably running at full native 4k).

So in this instance, IQ is better on Forza 7, but the lighting is much better in GTS.

 

[Caddle]

Gt always has so much polish when looking at screens, until things get moving. I mean 5 and 6 were so polish with those ps2 cars and frame rate.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Is there any solid proof of that? Actual, irrefutable proof.

Proof as far as what? It's from their breakdown of HDR support

・Data capture using a bespoke camera developed by PDI.
・Brightness range 100 times higher than the current camera standard.
・Gran Turismo will support current HDR TV’s as well as future HDR devices reaching brightnesses up to 10000nits. (HDR10・ST.2084)
・GT Tonemap enabling complete compatibility between Standard Dynamic Range (SDR) and HDR TVs.

http://www.gran-turismo.com/us/news/00_3723425.html

 

[TDonk]

F7 doesn't look to be at max settings, also it's definetely not 60 fps in the video while GTS is.

No way that forza vid is at max settings, it looks washed out. Maybe a poor capture? Anyways....

Although I will say, something is a bit off with the lighting in F7. F6 seemed a bit prettier.

Also, I like the shaky cam, really adds to the immersion of the race I find.

 

[l2ounD]

Stolen from Forza 7 gif/screenshot thread, but F7 looks great too in gifs.

Is the driver sitting super low in that car?

 

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[rodrigolfp]

Those are like the weakest headlights ever. Don't even illuminate the breeze in front. The body of the car looks completely flat, it sticks out of the picture.

Now notice how the car is a part of the environment.

where is the rain here?

 

[Caddle]

What rain?

 

[Yautja_Warrior]

So we will only know if this is true in the future?

Pretty sure it will still look stunning on current TV's and could possibly have the best HDR in game yet. PD like to push the tech, so I see no reason why it wouldn't be true.

 

[Neo 007]

When I fire up Forza 7 I'm thinking......Am I looking at Forza 4 here.....True story.

 

[Shaneus]

It's random. You can change between Day and Night, but the exact ToD is random.

If that's true, then I guess we'll never really know if Forza 7 looks better if there can't be an exact comparison.

Thread over.

 

[RobRivers]

Forza 7 seems much better in my xbox one S than on the comparison video.

 

[jayu26]

When I fire up Forza 7 I'm thinking......Am I looking at Forza 4 here.....True story.

No it's not, come on now.

 

[Inuhanyou]

racing sims have come so far over the years. But here's me just wishing we had more investment in arcade racers is need for speed really the only one left? and who knows what the hell the new one is even about

 

[Opus Angelorum]

When I fire up Forza 7 I'm thinking......Am I looking at Forza 4 here.....True story.

Have you lost 90% of your vision in both eyes?

 

[Self_Destructive]

Now notice how the car is a part of the environment.

I notice how the shadows passing over the headlights do nothing to dim the bloom effect...

 

[Killroyskbg]

Show us the gif you saw GTS in rain like this.

Why would I have to show something for you?

It looks a lot worse to me but your free to try to persuade with a better looking sunny Forza GIF if you want.

 

[HF2014]

Trashy video quality and different time of day. But whatever gets your motor running.

Yeah. Doesnt do justice for a fair comparison.

Now GT some us some rain tracks comparison hun? Cause it look like we fall back two generation behind with no weather effect in a new game, we aint see anything yet...

 

[mordecaii83]

where is the rain here?

What does rain being in the scene have to do with overall lighting quality?

I agree with those who say that for whatever reason GTS seems to have cars that blend better and look less toy-like. I'm assuming it's because of the lighting, but I'm no expert.

And that observation is completely separate from there being rain in one and not the other, or dynamic time of day, or anything else. It's great Forza 7 has those things, but in the videos I've seen, for whatever reason, I think GTS's lighting looks better. Maybe it's similar to AC Unity where the pre-baked lighting was so good that it blew everything else out of the water at the time.

 

[Hoo-doo]

What does rain being in the scene have to do with overall lighting quality?

Because he knows there isn't footage out yet of GTS in rainy conditions. Hence why you have now 'lost the argument' or something. 😂

 

[EvB]

Is there any solid proof of that? Actual, irrefutable proof.

Battlefield 1 and Mass Effect Andromeda already support code levels the same, as most HDR games already do.

 

[Caddle]

This sitting in the environment is so much bullshit.

 

[LegendofDragoonLives]

both look incredible, gt looks better but then again they are also taking their sweet time with it :S PD are absolute graphic wizards though

 

[ReDelicious]

Think I'd give GTS the edge visually. Audio wise the pops and gurgles sound really good in GTS, but as for the engine sound of an actual C7.R, Forza is a lot closer.

 

[blurredvision]

LOL...10k nits...PD's claim of this is purely marketing, through and through. If no devices exist to display 10k nits, then they can't create content to verify this claim. Silly.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Why would I have to show something for you?

It looks a lot worse to me but your free to try to persuade with a better looking sunny Forza GIF if you want.

How can you know wich one is worse if you didn't see (no one saw) GT while raining to compare?

What does rain being in the scene have to do with overall lighting quality?

I agree with those who say that for whatever reason GTS seems to have cars that blend better and look less toy-like. I'm assuming it's because of the lighting, but I'm no expert.

And that observation is completely separate from there being rain in one and not the other, or dynamic time of day, or anything else. It's great Forza 7 has those things, but in the videos I've seen, for whatever reason, I think GTS's lighting looks better. Maybe it's similar to AC Unity where the pre-baked lighting was so good that it blew everything else out of the water at the time.

Because lighting + shadows while raining is one thing and lighting + shadows while not raining is another thing?

 

[Risk Breaker]

I notice how the shadows passing over the headlights do nothing to dim the bloom effect...

Why would they? lol

 

[EvB]

They are toned very differently, that GT footage has had the contrast/levels fucked about with, it's both crushing blacks and blowing highlights

 

[Hoo-doo]

Why would they? lol

Yeah, i'm struggling with this too. As if shadows would dull a lightsource like that.

 

[MBS]

GT still sounds like a Hoover vacuum cleaner. Will they ever learn ffs?

 

[PackAPunchedMick]

GT still sounds like a Hoover vacuum cleaner. Will they ever learn ffs?

Nope. There are dozens and dozens of videos to prove you are completely incorrect.

 

[rodrigolfp]

They are toned very differently, that GT footage has had the contrast/levels fucked about with, it's both crushing blacks and blowing highlights

Fucked up contrast, crushing blacks and stuff are all "next gen" lighting, said some people here

 

[Self_Destructive]

Why would they? lol

Because they would..

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

Even in sunny conditions GTS looks realistic

Its the material programming, lighting system and colour implementation that has led to this. The way the car moves on the road also is better than any other sim visually.

 

[Aceofspades]

GTS looks way better especially lightning and car models.

PD did an amazing job with GTS.

 

[deoee]

They are toned very differently, that GT footage has had the contrast/levels fucked about with, it's both crushing blacks and blowing highlights

LOL This is insane

I hate when games do that.

Why? It doesn't even look good.
Many streamers play PUBG like this and I'm about to puke.

 

[Inviusx]

The demo for GT drops soon, these comparisons are a bit useless until then because we're comparing a beta to a final product.

There was some footage from the other GT thread that was final code (possibly) and it looked gorgeous but it was deleted from YT.

 

[Ehker]

I notice how the shadows passing over the headlights do nothing to dim the bloom effect...

How would a shadow dim a lights bloom?

 

[Killroyskbg]

How can you know wich one is worse if you didn't see (no one saw) GT while raining to compare?



Because lighting + shadows while raining is one thing and lighting + shadows while not raining is another thing?

Because I have eyes? Like I said show me a sunny Forza gif or night time or whatever you want that looks more realistic than any of the GT ones instead since they have not shown any rain in GT yet.

But since posting a sunny forza gif is easy and would still prove GT looks better and providing a rain gif from GTS is impossible I bet you will keep playing the rain card all thread long I would guess.

 

[boneyjangles]

These VS threads are always the absolute worst.

They are also my favourite threads.

 

[mordecaii83]

Because lighting + shadows while raining is one thing and lighting + shadows while not raining is another thing?

Yes but the thread started out with a comparison where it's not raining, so I'm still not seeing your argument? And I'm not even talking about one particular shot looking better, GTS's cars look less like plastic in every shot I've seen versus every Forza 7 shot...

 

[rodrigolfp]

Found a more close ToD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zsJu67Pv0U , at 0:48. They look much more alike, but GT still has "black crushes"

 

[SRTtoZ]

I was under the impression that Forza always beat GT in graphics. Quite the difference to the contrary there.

Never been true. GT always excelled in lighting while Forza was known for its sound design, car customization etc. Forza lighting has never quite matched GT.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Yes but the thread started out with a comparison where it's not raining, so I'm still not seeing your argument? And I'm not even talking about one particular shot looking better, GTS's cars look less like plastic in every shot I've seen versus every Forza 7 shot...

Yes but the argument was for that raining GIF with the Mclaren F1 vs the footage with the Evo and not the OP video?

 

[EvB]

LOL This is insane

I hate when games do that.

Why? It doesn't even look good.
Many streamers play PUBG like this and I'm about to puke.

I've tried to match them here with both toning and colour tweaks

They are both clearly great looking games, but there are some things happening with the videos that people should be aware of.