Jest Chillin
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Yes it's confirmed. Use em or lose em. Can not keep your stock for instant turn ins at the next Faction event.
Destiny 2 |OT2| Leviathan Wakes (Spoiler Tag ALL Raid Discussion)
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Yes it's confirmed. Use em or lose em. Can not keep your stock for instant turn ins at the next Faction event.
noomi
Member
I knew that feeling bro. Btw my clan friend had 2 Orpheus from public events. I hate that guy.
Must be nice to shoot an arrow and get all that super energy back! One day...... one day
Got the fighting lion, hard light, and 3rd pair of lucky pants this morning though :|
Does examing exotic engrams no longer work? I waited until orpheus rigs showed up and decrypted them, and I got loot that wasn't even part of the exotic engram loot table at the time... oh well....
I dislike this as well.
I even abandoned the quest because I simply don't care and wanted the space available... but then I killed a couple cabal and it dropped again . . . . . .
I guess they are gonna force me to have this quest on my character forever.
if you're doing the base NF, there's a cheesing method that will allow you to max your time out pretty quickly. also, other than the tunnel full of cursed thralls towards the end of the NF, i suggest killing off all enemies pretty meticulously. it makes your life a lot easier
as for the knights, i recommend using arc power weapons (ideally fusion rifles or rocket launchers). doing so will fuck their shit right up
now that it's fixed it only takes 2 raid runs to complete. The shotgun is a beast in PVP (and in some cases PVE).
well worth your time.
which anomaly respawns?
Is the Arms Dealer strike doable at 293~ light level? All that's left for me to do.
Razzmatazzer
Member
This is pretty much why I quit Halo 5 too. I really liked the multiplayer and changes to it, but the maps were garbage and I couldn't play the mode I enjoyed most (ctf) and instead had to hope that I got it via the mixed playlist bullshit. Not being able to play a mode that I enjoy most is pretty absurd, would like to know the reasoning behind this.
D1 matchmaking always seemed to be fine too with any mode chosen. Even the garbage modes had quick matchmaking, so why remove choice?
Achievable milestones complete, gained 2 equipment power. What the fuck.
Ok so I start the week at 266.
Milestones are earth public events, raid, nightfall, crucible competitive, and earth challenges.
At my current power level the raid is right out, nightfall looks real iffy, competitive crucible is just awful so that leaves earth public events and challenges to try and power up. Am I too weak to run nightfall? I can deal with 2 competitive crucible matches if I must but even then it only shows as "rare" gear not "powerful" gear so I'm not sure it's even worth it. And once that's clear am I SOL for trying to push my power level? Folks said earlier public events can drop decent upgrades but I spent a good 10 hours grinding them trying to get somewhere and only got sidegrades at best. I can't use mods to push any higher till 280 so I'm looking for anything I can do to push from 268 (woo 2 points) to 280.
Ok so I start the week at 266.
Milestones are earth public events, raid, nightfall, crucible competitive, and earth challenges.
At my current power level the raid is right out, nightfall looks real iffy, competitive crucible is just awful so that leaves earth public events and challenges to try and power up. Am I too weak to run nightfall? I can deal with 2 competitive crucible matches if I must but even then it only shows as "rare" gear not "powerful" gear so I'm not sure it's even worth it. And once that's clear am I SOL for trying to push my power level? Folks said earlier public events can drop decent upgrades but I spent a good 10 hours grinding them trying to get somewhere and only got sidegrades at best. I can't use mods to push any higher till 280 so I'm looking for anything I can do to push from 268 (woo 2 points) to 280.
EL CUCO
Member
Right there with you.
Jest Chillin
Member
Attempting to skip mobs in NF's is usually a recipe for a bad time.
The only time I've seen it not actively make things more difficult is when you can zone out of the room with the mobs completely. Examples being after finishing the 3 waves in Exodus Crash or the various portal sections of The Pyramidion.
Chances are fairly high that at least one member of the fireteam is gonna get killed if you try to rush past groups, costing more time than it saves.
Best strat is steady forward pace looking out for anomalies and focus firing Lt's and Cpt's. And of course make sure your Spec, Energy, and Power are each different elements. Doing that should get you to the boss with a decent amount of time. Then it's just about doing your best in that fight.
The only time I've seen it not actively make things more difficult is when you can zone out of the room with the mobs completely. Examples being after finishing the 3 waves in Exodus Crash or the various portal sections of The Pyramidion.
Chances are fairly high that at least one member of the fireteam is gonna get killed if you try to rush past groups, costing more time than it saves.
Best strat is steady forward pace looking out for anomalies and focus firing Lt's and Cpt's. And of course make sure your Spec, Energy, and Power are each different elements. Doing that should get you to the boss with a decent amount of time. Then it's just about doing your best in that fight.
Agreed. I understand what they were going for, but it is just a chore to play atm. TTK feels incredibly inconsistent which leads to a general feeling of unpredictability in every engagement and isn't that the opposite of their goal of providing a Crucible experience that would lead to 'mastery'?
Cornbread78
Member
LOL, this...
Played my normal Call to Arms Tuesday milestone run and this happened 3 times in a row where I spawned and was killed within 2 secs by an enemy standing right there.... Like WTF....
Doing those two Competitive matches will actually unlock the Call To Arms weekly milestone for Crucible, which gets you powerful rewards in about 4-7 matches (depending on performance). After that, level Gunsmith looking for some to get +5 purple mods (they can drop pre-280) for as many of your slots as possible. Joining a clan will also get you another milestone/Powerful reward each week for 5k XP contribution, as well as additional rewards based on what the rest of the clan does. Well worth doing.
270 should be easily enough for Nightfall and you'll even scrape by just fine in the Raid, at least the first half and maybe more if the group is good. You've reached the point where levelling slows right down, although being able to make your own mods at 280 can give a decent bump later on...
I think I agree but Trials of the Nine makes sense with 4 vs 4. But still, 6vs6 would be better in the normal modes.
Camp Freddie
Member
This NF seemed really hard. The timer can't be cheesed that far before you reach 'max time acheived' and shooting more anomalies has no further effect. Meanwhile you lose 1/3 of your team which massively reduces your speed.
There don't seem to be many skippable fights and running around waiting for the momentum recharge is a big time-waster. Lots of bullet sponge enemies with the ogres and knights.
I think you just have to kit yourself out for max DPS and not be shy about using heavy/super/grenades. Just kill everything as fast as you can and don't waste time trying to be clever.
I know I was using a weak energy gun of the wrong element (most shield are not solar, unlike typical hive wizards), which cost me some time.
I've generally liked the timers compared to D1's camping cheese-a-thons, but this one seems to be more of a speedrun than the others I've tried. Even exodus clash was pretty easy despite missing a few anomalies.
I'll give it another go now I know more about what I'm doing, but I was surprised to fail it as a team of 290-ish guardians.
There don't seem to be many skippable fights and running around waiting for the momentum recharge is a big time-waster. Lots of bullet sponge enemies with the ogres and knights.
I think you just have to kit yourself out for max DPS and not be shy about using heavy/super/grenades. Just kill everything as fast as you can and don't waste time trying to be clever.
I know I was using a weak energy gun of the wrong element (most shield are not solar, unlike typical hive wizards), which cost me some time.
I've generally liked the timers compared to D1's camping cheese-a-thons, but this one seems to be more of a speedrun than the others I've tried. Even exodus clash was pretty easy despite missing a few anomalies.
I'll give it another go now I know more about what I'm doing, but I was surprised to fail it as a team of 290-ish guardians.
Jup. I think Trials with Countdown mode is the best of D2 Crucible. Mida is ruining it abit atm. But overall its oke. Countdown also forces pushes wich helps alot.
Cornbread78
Member
You say that but......
Sometimes they never give you the mods you actually need and just keep giving you the same +5 mods, over and over and over again!
Even more so now with the sudden appearance of full auto Mida's running around..
maybe if you're carried, otherwise it will be a challenge. I would wait until you get over 300 just to be safe.
the thing with the strike is that because of the prism burn with enough DPS you're able to kill the boss before the fight actually starts (right when you get off the elevator, wait for the burn that your fireteam chooses and then go HAM).
JohnOfMars
Banned
I feel very differently. Commented in line:
So i gave it a good month. Played tons of matches and i think overall its one of the worst PVP of alot of games i played.
I'm enjoying it actually. It's slower, yes, but it feels more thoughtful and you can actually make decisions as opposed to before where there were just blueberries everywhere.
First its boring. 4vs4 has been a very bad choice for overall Crucible.
I see it differently. I hated sixes. 6v6 was just absolute chaos. You could never anticipate where everyone was going to be or what your team was doing.
People take a flag and then run away, people peak a corner and then run away, people get heavy and run away. There are not really nice gun battles or nice pushes alone.
TTK is longer, so yeah, people run away. And TTK is longer, so it's harder to play solo. I get that, and I think the TTK is slightly too long. But on the plus side, positioning matters WAY more. Take a team to pinch school and look how they fall. On the otherhand, what I don't like about the long TTK is that 1v1 you have forever to react and shoot back but if there's a team, you die instantly. It's really jarring to sometimes take nearly 2 seconds to die and sometimes to just die instantly.
And thats the second point. Its just team shooting all day and most of the time through a hallway with a Rift down. Where is the dynamic fighting? The nice pushes for a heavy spawn? The nice plays where you get 3 guys. Destiny 1 sure had its problems but it still felt dynamic and active, or nice super plays where you get some guys in one go.
I actually feel like there are more dynamic plays now than before. Because teamshooting is sooooo heavily incentivized, I'm seeing more 2v2 and 3v3 fights and those are interesting and dynamic. Those are the nice dynamic plays and pushes.
Now you pop your super and its just people running away again. I can go on.
I see the exact opposite. In D1, Supers were unstoppable unless you had a high impact sniper. So everyone ran. Now I feel like if I'm smart or if I'm with my team I can outplay a super.
Overall its just boring atm.
Can't argue with feelings and I'm sorry you're bored. I'm enjoying it though.
Edit: And i still love it that even with 4vs4 it has people spawn right behind you.
I'm enjoying it actually. It's slower, yes, but it feels more thoughtful and you can actually make decisions as opposed to before where there were just blueberries everywhere.
First its boring. 4vs4 has been a very bad choice for overall Crucible.
I see it differently. I hated sixes. 6v6 was just absolute chaos. You could never anticipate where everyone was going to be or what your team was doing.
People take a flag and then run away, people peak a corner and then run away, people get heavy and run away. There are not really nice gun battles or nice pushes alone.
TTK is longer, so yeah, people run away. And TTK is longer, so it's harder to play solo. I get that, and I think the TTK is slightly too long. But on the plus side, positioning matters WAY more. Take a team to pinch school and look how they fall. On the otherhand, what I don't like about the long TTK is that 1v1 you have forever to react and shoot back but if there's a team, you die instantly. It's really jarring to sometimes take nearly 2 seconds to die and sometimes to just die instantly.
And thats the second point. Its just team shooting all day and most of the time through a hallway with a Rift down. Where is the dynamic fighting? The nice pushes for a heavy spawn? The nice plays where you get 3 guys. Destiny 1 sure had its problems but it still felt dynamic and active, or nice super plays where you get some guys in one go.
I actually feel like there are more dynamic plays now than before. Because teamshooting is sooooo heavily incentivized, I'm seeing more 2v2 and 3v3 fights and those are interesting and dynamic. Those are the nice dynamic plays and pushes.
Now you pop your super and its just people running away again. I can go on.
I see the exact opposite. In D1, Supers were unstoppable unless you had a high impact sniper. So everyone ran. Now I feel like if I'm smart or if I'm with my team I can outplay a super.
Overall its just boring atm.
Can't argue with feelings and I'm sorry you're bored. I'm enjoying it though.
Edit: And i still love it that even with 4vs4 it has people spawn right behind you.
gutterboy44
Member
It is a fucking tragedy that PvE side still has to suffer to balance the PvP side of things with the sorry state it is in. 4v4 was a horrible idea. Putting their efforts into making 6 player patrols work would have increased the fun factor of this game ten fold. It can't be said enough, this game is a sequel to D1 vanilla, not D1 RoI. Baffling.
Hoho for breakfast
Member
It feels like they're holding stuff back. Strikes (no heroics, no specific loot etc), exotic swords removed along with the awesome end of quest fight (yes the rest of it was garbage), pvp went completely backwards imo with 4v4, no Forge/CoO/PoE equivalent at all, shaders are a step forward with looks and then a giant leap backwards by being consumable. You can't just go back and replay missions. In D1 there was a grind for perfect rolls. There is none of that here in any form. You grind some for some specific weapons if you want them but then that's it. There has to be a grind of some type with a payoff to keep people coming back. It does not have to be a perfect random weapon roll. There are many things they could still do. Even Hunter capes are trash for the most part in comparison to D1. I assume it's the same for all classes but don't know.
The Drednaught was way more fun to me than anything in Destiny 2. Collecting the blue fragments (or Siva clusters in RoI to a lesser extent), opening all the chests...there was a lot of mystery and fun there that's gone in D2.
Yes there are a ton of improvements from vanilla D1 and many even from TTK onward, but there's just about zero end game here and a lack of excitement. Everything is so toned down and muted and it just isn't as fun.
I think theyre going to fix it all but some of this is stuff that shouldnt have happened (shaders) or things that should be in D2 vanilla to begin with but arent because they want to sell it to you later.
That I completely understand. As I said, I play D1 Crucible almost every day. My question was more directed at this:
I really have the feeling they took base Destiny 1 as starting point and improved on that. Instead of Destiny 1 Rise of Iron where they left off and improved on that.
I am getting tired abit of D2 already. They give gear for free almost. There is no endgame. Where is that special strike weapon i want to grind for, where is that special raid piece? Where are the Black Spindle quests?
I have no idea what to do with shards also. I dismantle gear because its all the same no unique rolls on it. To get Gunsmith material to level up Gunsmith to get again useless gear wich is all the same. Its a vicious circle.
Which I find completely perplexing. The specific points made:
- Giving gear "for free almost" as if it's a bad thing. I mean vanilla Destiny was an absolute bitch with drops. If anything, D2 turns up TTK's newfound loot generosity up to 11.
- "Where is that special Raid piece" I'm not sure I fully understand but if it's about getting a Raid drop - well, again, D2 is closer to post-TTK (gear that isn't OMGAMAZING but easy to get) than to vanilla D1 (amazing gear but lolol good luck getting it to drop)
- Re: Spindle quest: we haven't gotten any time-gated Exotics yet like Spindle or Sleeper but it hasn't quite been a month yet. Wouldn't be surprised if they pull some of these during October/November to keep some hype up for December DLC
- Having nothing to do with shards is also a very post-TTK feeling. Vanilla Destiny was a constant material poverty since everything was so grindy.
- Strike-specific loot is, admittedly, something they strangely took away despite some people liking that stuff.
Overall though, I'm just having a very hard time understanding how these complaints equate to "they took base Destiny 1 as starting point and improved on that. Instead of Destiny 1 Rise of Iron where they left off and improved on that".
- There's way more swords than ever tho. None of them are exotic but there's significantly more options than we used to, and some ammo/impact tradeoffs between 'em instead of just skin/element changes.
- End of a quest fight? What's that?
- PvP - I love 4v4, it's the changes to movement speed and weapon handling that keep me playing D1
- Forge/CoO- I'm kind of glad they didn't bring that back without a full rethink. These things are absolutely ass if your instance wasn't populated - if they were matchmade or made into instances with longer loading or whatever to ensure some people in with you then yeah they'd be nice to have back.
- You.....wanna go back and play story missions? I mean Ikora has Meditations for that butwhy.gif
- The grind roll is a matter of preference. I absolutely hate chasing gear. If it were up to me you'd start the game with every single gun and just have fun using them. I understand and respect not everybody feels this way. But ultimately in D1 you were looking for the right archetype with the right perks. In D2 you do the same, except you can't get the "wrong" one anymore. There's still some frustrating RNG shit - I don't have Antiope, Curtain Call or the Raid Rocket yet - but at least I don't have hundreds of hours chasing a specific roll. In D2, once you get a Curtain Call you delete every dupe you get. In D1, once you got a proper-rolled gun, you'd delete every dupe you got. If what you miss is repeating activities ad infinitum for a slim chance at the stars aligning and giving you that specific thing you wanted, then I absolutely see why you'd be disappointed. We can sum up this difference in opinion with
"There has to be a grind of some type with a payoff to keep people coming back."
That's not me. I just play because shooting people online is fun. The less hampered I am in doing so because there's a gun I don't have and my opponents do because LUCKNG the better.
I think I see where you're coming from now though, thanks for taking the time to reply
Must be nice to shoot an arrow and get all that super energy back! One day...... one day
Got the fighting lion, hard light, and 3rd pair of lucky pants this morning though :|
Does examing exotic engrams no longer work? I waited until orpheus rigs showed up and decrypted them, and I got loot that wasn't even part of the exotic engram loot table at the time... oh well....
preview is just showing the subset of the possible rewards, not the whole set
it's pretty stupid
the ones in the outdoor area just before the first ogre (where you have to hack the door). there's also one above the door you use to enter the ogre room
shoot them, run forward through like two hallways (which will trigger the respawn), then rinse and repeat while the rest of your squad presses on
Thanks. I posted in the LF Clan thread but Xbox One looks like dire straights around these parts. I'll see if I can just start one with my brother since we play together whenever we can. I'm bad at crucible so I'm not looking forward to anything tied to winning. Hopefully that'll be enough cause it really sucks to dump a bunch of time into the game and not get rewarded for it.
Haha true! Pre-280, it's a good idea to just keep an eye out for any purples that drop with mods and push those and/or Exotics in each slot as high as you can just to give your theoretical max PL a bump. Post-280, you can just buy blue mods and/or break down unneeded purple ones to keep rerolling for what you want/need, but that can get expensive...
No problem! None of the Crucible milestones are directly tied to winning – iirc, a loss where I played pretty bad gave around 15% towards milestone completion, while wins pay out more progress. Seven losses should do it, but hopefully you'll pick up a few wins along the way, and maybe even get some other goodies, too.
When they decided to enforce super heavy SBMM in D1, the playlist variety bit them in the ass. At one point there were like 10 playlists at any given moment. You could queue Control, Clash, Rift, Skirmish, Salvage, Rumble, Classic 6v6, Classic 3v3, Classic FFA, and whatever weekly was on (Freelance or Mayhem or Doubles or Inferno and stuff).
If you want to ruin your game with SBMM, as Bungie seems determined to, aggressive playlist consolidation is probably the best way to go about it since the alternative is what we got with D1 (probably the laggiest modern shooter on any platform).
thanks
JohnOfMars
Banned
Has anyone mentioned that the reveal after you beat Calus is the most Luke Smith thing ever?
When designing the Vault of Glass, Luke thought a lot about why people would do the raid again and again every week. That's one of the reasons that the Vault is about time.
Calus being revealed to just be a robot and there being thousands of copies of him is perfect. And fighting him again and again, week after week, is thematically on point for us earning the Emperor's Favor.
FeelsBadMan
InsaneTiger
Member
Wonder if there will be more said about Calus or where is located. Next DLC will be Osiris then something involving Rasputin. Hard to see how Calus fits into the future story bits.
there are tons of meta jokes in D2 that talk to us about doing the same shit over and over. Failsafe is better at this than most.
the whole preface of being a guardian and being able to live>die>repeat is a thing in itself.
Jest Chillin
Member
I mentioned this in my raid the other night. I dig that there is an in-universe in-lore explanation for why all these Guardians are even able to constantly do the raid repeatedly.
JohnOfMars
Banned
Oryx was teased in a Vanilla D1 mission, even before Crota. And then made an appearance a year later in Taken King. So they've got time.
Calus
the after credits scene for the campaign ("The Darkness")
Cornbread78
Member
Titan melee OP confirmed
WTF, 2 Exotic engrams??????????
Over 50 hours played and a gazillion PE and I have yet to get a single fu(king one..
He won't. Much like how D1 works they will just revolve around baddies. You got Osiris (maybe vex focused) then rasputin (maybe fallen or hive focused). Then they will figure out maybe a taken king level of expansion that will involve one of the baddy groups not used yet, or if we pray to umbasa the unknown race we see at the end of the story.
It's all just a cycle.
There are a bunch of missions around the mid point of the campaign that I really enjoyed and want to play again, but I don't want to fire up an alt to do so. Removing the option to replay them entirely (outside of the three weekly missions) feels arbitrary and weirdly restrictive. I've always enjoyed running Bungie's campaign missions. They built this huge campaign but we can't revisit it if we want. It's a first for a Bungie game.
Have you done all the Exotic quests?
Yup It's something I don't understand why they have restricted. I am hoping that they bring back the ability to replay all the campaign missions soon.
Makes no sense, they tout having a campaign this time, and then you can't even replay it.
Hell, I wish they'd let you view all the mission icons on the director/map like in D1 too.
It's odd you can't choose specific strikes too.
The only one I have is the heavy one that requires raid completion. Are there others?
EDIT: Just looked them up. I'll do those tonight. I was saving the quests for when I was higher power to make the rewards higher but fuck it at this point.
I also have an exotic for every slot but helmet.