It was great if your opinion was on the list of acceptable opinions. I didn't bother posting much because the slightest provocation resulted in a ban and some sarcastic message from a mod.
It's sickening people are showing their true color
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You know exactly what I mean. Dont try and cause drama for the sake of causing drama. I hate it when people do that. Theyre the worst kind of people
RastaMentality
Banned
annie would be devastated if she saw what was going on right now
prag16
Banned
You think the place is gotten SO out of control? Some are claiming it has become some kind of alt right circle jerk bastion, but I'm just not seeing it. I'm seeing a few comments here or there (largely getting banned) and that's about it. The most "out of control" thing going on is the rash of suicide posts/topics, and metric fucktons of vitriol aimed at Evilore.
But I agree 100% with the other point... the moderation here has never had any transparency or accountability whatsoever. Making it fully anonymous is moving in entirely the wrong direction, and absolutely will not inspire trust. The ModBot account was a horrible idea from the jump, and this basically doubles down on that.
Though I guess actions speak louder than words... if these "anonymous' mods do a better job moderating (instead of the groupthink lynch mob bullshit they engaged in previously) maybe things will improve.
It didn't JUST need those things. But that would have been a hell of a start.
With most of the mods the policy that led to a ban was "don't be an asshole"
So I'm curious what your opinions are
An anonymous mod team is almost certainly destined to become a group-think lynch mob, because they do not factor in any opinions other than their own because there's zero reason to. It's everything that's wrong with the modbot idea, amped
Subpar Spatula
Banned
"It'll be the wilderness, with nothing and no one for company but those voices ringing in our head."
Prophane33
Member
98% of the people banned were banned for being jackasses, being disrespectful, or going against warnings.
It has the potential to become better if the new modding staff isnt banning everyone left and right.
Dude Abides
Banned
I, for one, look forward to the resurgence of incel MAGA chuds. Their impotent anger always brings a chuckle.
Paracelsus
Member
You can make everything about politics, it doesn't mean it was meant to be specifically about politics. It's a contradiction in and of itself: you can't help to talk politics in games because you made outright political games. And it's good to send a good message or make an impactful statement, not when it's what you build the game around, because it's games.
Colin could never handle how his awful arguments about subjects like an all digital gaming future and the PS4 Pro were meticulously picked part on GAF, so he retreated in to his alt-right echo chamber.
Yeah it is really good when somebody with one set of opinions can be banned thirteen times and come back, but anyone who upsets Besada gets traps laid at their feet. Maybe this place is dead in the long run, but any replacement consisting of shitheads like that is going to be terrible.
Kept everything together by banning all people that they didn't agree with ?
No warning just ban if they didn't like your post. I am sure happy they are gonna and we can finally discuss games without inserting politics in every thread and post.
Regarding your first sentence - the guy who was most notorious for that is still a moderator here
Your avatar makes your second sentence literally impossible
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Hopefully, a much better place.
boiled goose
good with gravy
I do think mods banned people and moderated based on personal disagreement with no transparency or accountability.
The solution to that is not less moderation. It's more transparency and accountability
silveralen
Neo Member
"I am capable of still enjoying a game where one VA has expressed racist opinions in the past and don't think it matters that much."
"I don't mind a game with conservative political themes and think it could have merit."
It certainly be enough to get dogpiled, and mods would be certain to ban you if things got out of hand, regardless of who actually caused problems.
Again, "don't be an asshole" meant "don't say anything we disagree with, because only assholes do that."
Strict moderation is good in theory. Banning people who make stupid posts elevates the level of discussion! The problem is in deciding what precisely counts as stupid.
Here are some things that *weren't* banned: people calling for "heads on spikes" to "teach people a lesson"; people calling for everyone to contact a person's employer or possible future employers to make sure "they never work in this industry again"; people accusing other users of being neo-nazis or white supremacists for disagreeing that they have the facts right; people accusing anyone of correcting info that was being used against someone of DEFENDING them and thus being a supporter; people foregoing the discussion topic to personally attack other gaffers who disagreed with them and cast aspersions on their character.
So the problem with the "strict moderation" is that it wasn't exactly uniformly applied.
prag16
Banned
Probably. That's why I'm not optimistic on this new moderation policy. The only reason for optimism is it's hard for it to get much worse (short of them beginning to allow this place to devolve into 4chan, which I don't see as particularly likely).
Which is why I feel like accountability and transparency is even more important
The only place I'm seeing that is on twitter.
boiled goose
good with gravy
You wouldn't have been banned for saying those things.
Human Trashcan
Banned
You know exactly what I mean. Dont try and cause drama for the sake of causing drama. I hate it when people do that. Theyre the worst kind of people
Yeah how dare people create fake drama about women being sexually assaulted
dgrdsv
Member
Again, there is no insight of any kind in pure hating. If you listen to this filth then you're just spending your lifetime on something completely pointless. Trust me, I've spent this weekend reading a couple of hashtags on Twitter - I'm still surprised how low and stupid some people can get.
boiled goose
good with gravy
You are truly blind my good man.
silveralen
Neo Member
I literally saw someone threaten to dox someone over a statement like those, and when the poster responded by you know, flipping out at the guy who threatened to try and dox him, he got banned instead.
I don't think you realize how awful the community and moderation team are here.
prag16
Banned
The only place you're seeing such circle jerks? Or the only place you're seeing today's gaf described that way?
Because if you mean the latter you're sorely mistaken. Some of the more inflammatory topics created on this were swiftly deleted (my favorite one was the topic comparing today's gaf to 1939 Poland) so maybe you missed some of it; but the Evilore megathread has plenty of such claims.
Then listen to me and some others who are posting here. We don't hate gaf and yet we saw serious problems with it in how users jumped to attack people, companies and other users. I'm telling you, some of the haters *do* have a point even if they're going about making it in the most obnoxious way possible.
All of that is correct. However, he was also subjected to some really vitriolic and hyperbolic character assassination and yes, bona fide harassment on Twitter. I don't like the guy and I disagree with him on almost everything, but that's not ok.
As said by others, I also hate how they state the forum is dead and nothing of value is lost. Like what the fuck man, there are those who loved GAF and they can't see some of us care to not see it go. I just unsub these YouTube channels. The shit they say makes them no better than the worst of neogaf members.
Paracelsus
Member
Notice the bolded word, that's key. In other words if you aren't 100% with it, if you don't agree all the time with whatever change neogaf is championing at any given time, you're automatically alt-right. I mean, it was blatant even without this whole fiasco.
RastaMentality
Banned
i think it's disingenuous to reduce what happened with certain users to be "banning over a disagreement"
there's always going to be a disagreement between the content of a post and the code of conduct when a ban happens... like duh
let's be honest: many users were banned for making disrespectful and flippant posts. and for some reason they can't own up to it and instead play the victim. like this user who said he was banned for "shitting on rap" when he actually said "rap music rapes my ears"
there's always going to be a disagreement between the content of a post and the code of conduct when a ban happens... like duh
let's be honest: many users were banned for making disrespectful and flippant posts. and for some reason they can't own up to it and instead play the victim. like this user who said he was banned for "shitting on rap" when he actually said "rap music rapes my ears"
Prophane33
Member
http://sla-ent.com (remove hyphen)
https://forum.waypoint.vice.com
and resetera on discorde which is being created by former mods and is invite only atm
Napoleonthechimp
Member
People requesting bans are ridiculous. Just stop browsing. Even a ban won't stop you from lurking.
dgrdsv
Member
Sure, I agree with this. However I don't see how's this relevant to anything really, especially to those a-holes who were attacking GAF (including those who were exGAF then already) over the weekend with stupid tweets and gifs.
The last thread I saw where someone was ranting about "SJW PC" culture got deleted before I could even reply to his nonsense. Compare that to twitter where even mainstream videogame personalities have replies full of alt-right garbage.
Can't say I've ever seen a community crumble like this ever. Gaf has definitely had its up's and down and change has been needed. It's unfortunate the circumstances are what changed it. I don't think a community like it will be built up again though. I can't quite pinpoint when it started going downhill but when the users are essentially walking on egg shells to voice an opinion you know it's bad.
Napoleonthechimp
Member
People have always attacked GAF. There are people who have justifiable concerns about the latest incident but then there are others who'd rather see the entire thing fall out of spite.
There are vocal communities that exist to hate GAF. It genuinely wouldn't surprise if they're the equivalent to the types who turn up to protests and start breaking windows.
But communities of a certain size do tend to experience moments like this. Let others start their own smaller communities if they so wish. This place was clearly never for them.
Three years ago is when you had to really start watching your words.
Interface23
Member
GAF was never just gaming. There were cool groups like WrestleGAF, DateGAF, LBGTIA-GAF, Hiphop GAF, etc etc. Limited to only gaming GAF is not the answer to fix this in my opinion
It's not
Evil Calvin
Afraid of Boobs
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RastaMentality
Banned
wow how awful
Somehow this post does not instill confidence for the future of this site.
silveralen
Neo Member
If the same standard were applied to every argument sure, that might work. But compared to the horrible hateful and disrespectful comments people can freely make so long as the person or subject they target is considered an acceptable target by the mods, that comment is nothing.
If rules were actually enforced on everyone equally it'd be fine. But they aren't, at all. It's clear rules about civility don't apply when you are on the "correct" side.
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