It's sickening people are showing their true color
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DontheAccountant
Banned
But prominant industry figures are leaving and I doubt the gaming industry would want to be associated with someone with these allegations.
The forum is gonna get stale without them
GeordieMark
Member
Most left ages ago because they were treated like shit. The rest (that I know of) tend to keep it quiet.
Just wait for the review threads this Thursday. Lots of reviewer would post about their review in the review thread. Not going to see much of that for Oddysey, Wolfenstein, and A.C. Origins.
Haha, true... Only the most shameless of shills will self-promote on here now.
This sounds like a good thing, tbh.
QuixoticNeutral
Member
Also keep in mind that many people decided to get on board with the exodus not because of anything to do with the conduct of the owner, but because of the total pall of uncertainty all weekend over the future of sub-communities that really wanted to hang together. There are really two separate things going on here: people angry at EviLore because they think (from this incident and others) that he's an abuser who fielded an awful response, and people angry at EviLore because the mishandling of this situation (going dark over the weekend with no communication for patently self-interested reasons) was a breach of the implicit covenant between the communities and an ownership that really should have stayed hands-off.
I think the sanest course is to step away and see if this place really does stabilize around the remaining membership in a few weeks or even months (especially those who completely missed the action this weekend come back and wonder what the hell happened to the place, but aren't caught up in the moment and are not inclined to react impulsively). In the meantime, the mass migration deserves a chance to prove itself. May the best Odyssey discussion win.
I think the sanest course is to step away and see if this place really does stabilize around the remaining membership in a few weeks or even months (especially those who completely missed the action this weekend come back and wonder what the hell happened to the place, but aren't caught up in the moment and are not inclined to react impulsively). In the meantime, the mass migration deserves a chance to prove itself. May the best Odyssey discussion win.
Rygar 8 Bit
Jaguar 64-bit
this i dont plan to leave here and i will still check out resetera no reason to burn bridges when you dont know how this all will play out in the end
We has't hath lost a most wondrous sir, who is't did shape this lodging with wisdom and kindness. I applaudeth his stance to leaveth.
Thanks for the laugh.
PsihoPerihelion
Member
I'd love for this forum to stay about games and games only.
I mean he was active in OT and halo threads and actually posted. Unlike some of these members with like 10 posts in 7 years.
Same.
I know it sucks. I particularly hate seeing people say "NOTHING of value" was produced or lost (like Colin Moriarty and many others have said.) At least recognise that game OTs had a lot of info and a lot of work was put into them, and provided great discussion for games.
Another annoying thing is seeing devs or journos gloating about it just because a handful of people criticised them or their game, acting like the entirety of neogaf was trash, completely ignoring the many people who agreed with them or defended the game, etc. It's a discussion board. There was disagreement.
But you know what? I don't *blame* them for it, because I know very well that some users on here were extremely vitriolic and even brigaded, trying to harass people or get them fired from jobs.
I don't put the onus on the people who have been subjected to defamation, abuse, and harassment to look past the handful of people who hated on them to see the others who disagreed, or to see the vast majority who didn't care or know about those bitter controversies.
So, try to take the outpouring of scorn and hatred on the chin, and hopefully things can be learned from it. Like for example, if someone is literally calling for "heads on spikes to teach people a lesson" and arguing that we should start destroying their irl life, maybe they should be told "lol nope bye".
Another annoying thing is seeing devs or journos gloating about it just because a handful of people criticised them or their game, acting like the entirety of neogaf was trash, completely ignoring the many people who agreed with them or defended the game, etc. It's a discussion board. There was disagreement.
But you know what? I don't *blame* them for it, because I know very well that some users on here were extremely vitriolic and even brigaded, trying to harass people or get them fired from jobs.
I don't put the onus on the people who have been subjected to defamation, abuse, and harassment to look past the handful of people who hated on them to see the others who disagreed, or to see the vast majority who didn't care or know about those bitter controversies.
So, try to take the outpouring of scorn and hatred on the chin, and hopefully things can be learned from it. Like for example, if someone is literally calling for "heads on spikes to teach people a lesson" and arguing that we should start destroying their irl life, maybe they should be told "lol nope bye".
My Political discussion had nothing to do with this. Nor did my discussions about wrestling. Or Dragon Ball Super. Or One Piece. Or basketball. Or manga and anime in general.
1. The trigger for this was complete nonsense. It was a non-story that was completely blown out of proportion. This was partly due to the extreme culture of GAF where discussion is not allowed.
2. The reaction by the mods/members/outsiders was ridiculous.
3. GAF is way too ban happy and mods close threads that didn't need to be closed with no explanation. This seems like a good chance to fix that.
4. People trying to advertise their shitty ass communities will only see them fail. No one gives a shit about forums these days. GAF is one of the few anomalies.
5. GAF will be fine. Maybe lose some members but oh well.
2. The reaction by the mods/members/outsiders was ridiculous.
3. GAF is way too ban happy and mods close threads that didn't need to be closed with no explanation. This seems like a good chance to fix that.
4. People trying to advertise their shitty ass communities will only see them fail. No one gives a shit about forums these days. GAF is one of the few anomalies.
5. GAF will be fine. Maybe lose some members but oh well.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
That's impossible.
Games are part of culture, society, and human personality. It will intersect with social, political, religious, etc issues. You can't just discuss games because you would then be discussing just the god damn graphics.
I've seen some videos, commented on others of people who i occasionally follow who have done videos defending people like Colin or Boogie while participating in some good old schadenfreude against GAF . I get attacking the accusations and whatnot cause its fully merited, but a vast majority of people on GAF didn't really have anything to do with it, and toxic viewpoints are not "different opinions" or "trying on a new hat".
dgrdsv
Member
Why do care about what GAF haters say?
Wolfenstein OT is going to be interesting.
Wolfenstein is a first person shooter videogame where a human being shoots other human beings with big guns. After a country is taken over by [redacted] BJ must do things to save the country from [redacted]
Because how others perceive the community and why is relevant?
Most people who hate on GAF aren't alt-right, neo-nazis, white nationalists, GG, etc. That segment of the population is exceedingly small. So like, just because they have an axe to grind doesn't mean their opinion is irrelevant.
prag16
Banned
People keep saying this over and over. But most of those people have already been gone for quite some time. That exodus has already happened. Because they largely got treated like garbage.
dgrdsv
Member
What's relevant in hating? A hater will never be able to engage in a productive discussion. You should never ever pay any attention to these no matter who they are. If they want to be heard _they_ will have to change the way they talk about things.
silveralen
Neo Member
As someone who made this account a while back then ended up being to nervous to ever actually use it, it isn't that people are blaming the community for the actions of the owner, it's that almost everyone outside the site already hated the community and only the forum's reputation as a sort of progressive bastion kept people from voicing their opinions. What you are seeing is what people have thought about this site for years now, but didn't say because they didn't want to be lumped in with various unpleasant groups.
Also, because I know some people want to pass the buck, it was not just off topic. If you think the toxicity was localized to off topic then you are likely part of why people hate and are generally kinda scared of this community. Even the video game side would try to ruin careers and destroy games for the most minor of dissent, and a few times that even escalated to the community going after people on gaf who defended such games. The admins didn't help of course, but the community has always been fairly awful as a whole.
The community isn't being blamed for the owner's actions, it merely lost its shield against criticism. What you are seeing is what people have always thought about this toxic cesspit of a community, every bit of it deserved.
Lunafreya Nox Fleuret
Member
Yeah i'm scared to browse and not sleep.
Ignoring everyone who dislikes you leaves no room for growth. Instead of tone-policing someone's criticism for being too harsh or hateful, it's more productive to get at the root of why they feel that way and try to see things from their perspective.
The harsh reality is that not everyone who resents GAF is irrational. If you wait for others to change their tone before listening, you're only denying yourself insight.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Probably impossible and why??
Why request this AFTER owner accused of misconduct? It's like trying to brush things under the rug.
It's basically asking for a safe space from ugly realities in the world.
Prophane33
Member
There was already a post earlier today where someone referred to them as "national socialists". Surely, a sign of what's to come.
More on topic though, the majority of the posters who put a lot of work into OTs and sales information are (and/or will be) coming over to the new site it seems.
I'm a bit skeptical on the moral outrage myself. The same mod team knew about these allegations since they were closing a lot of the threads and then they leave in unison and now there are replacement boards in place already? I'm sure some of these guys are rubbing their hands in glee at getting an influx of ex neogaf traffic and the resulting dough. On the other hand the extreme moderation of this place has to change. The hive mind style modding that went on has to go
boiled goose
good with gravy
Strict moderation is good. It just needed to be more transparent, have a warning system, and have an appeals process.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Just often not a very good reason sadly. Sure, there have been a lot of people who deserved it, but many others who did not in my opinion.
Yup. Anyone who has been here long enough knew what was considered permissable thought with the previous moderation team. Highly comedic, considering recent events in PA.
Agreed.
This exactly. As much as it frustrates me that critics are throwing the proverbial baby out with the bathwater, the fact is that things got kind of insane at times, even here on the Gaming side.
Really hoping this changes now.
prag16
Banned
I could be wrong, but I can't see this ResetEra thing (horrible name by the way) gaining a ton of traction. I think it's destined to be a tiny echo chamber of maybe several dozen regulars; people will come crawling back to gaf.
Hear, hear.
Strict moderation is a good thing (look at how out of control this place has gotten since the mod team left). What this moderation team needed was more transparency and accountability however. Stuff like the modbot account should have been eliminated a long time ago because it was basically used by mods as a way to leave one passive shitpost before locking a thread.
What's going to happen to the moderation of the site going forward is bad in every way possible
Subpar Spatula
Banned
And they're trying so hard to push the "we just want gaming" angle. We all know they just don't want to be bothered to have their opinions challenged or even held accountable. It's easier to live yourself if you hold abhorrent views if no one calls you out on them.
boiled goose
good with gravy
That never went away though. Why would discussing non game things affect gaming discussions??
TyrantGuardian
Member
You were always able to do this.
Also I think you forgot to log out of your alt account
Aretak
Member
It's absolutely going to be an echo chamber, but I doubt they'll come back here. They'll be very happy there in a bubble where everyone agrees on everything (or else), and this place will be better for them being gone. Everybody wins.
Prophane33
Member
For what it's worth, there are around 4-5,000 people ready to sign up, including (as I've previously mentioned) a majority of the most familiar names around here. Does that mean it will be a rousing success? Not really. But it has a strong early showing.
Human Trashcan
Banned
I think sexual predators like evilore are the worst kinds of people but what do I know
What exactly do you think GAF is going to become now that a ton of people have left and the moderation team that kept everything together is gone?
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