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[MightyHedgehog]

This is what I have been thinking as well. Hopefully MS doesn't alternate a few franchises each year as their "dedication". As long as 3rd party sales are strong those will still be available. As we have seen, 3rd parties will bail out for greener pastures if situations change.

MS needs some new IPs for the core.

Well, since we're talking about a pattern of updates and sequels, it seems that none of the big three abstain from the practice. Look at how many twos, threes, and repackaged, HD-ified classics are hitting this year from Sony. This is obviously not a new development in first party operation. Anyway, I think it's a bit too selective to ignore DD channels like Arcade, PSN, or WiiWare.

 

[theBishop]

Microsoft has undoubtedly published some spectacular games since 2004. But they seem completely unwilling to bet on anything that doesn't already have a proven audience. I wish the company showed more creative boldness at the decision-making level.

 

[Dennis]

Crysis averted.

 

[KingJ2002]

i would love to believe that microsoft but to be honest... their current upcoming portfolio is pretty slim... nothing but sequels.

im hoping they bring something new and exciting... but nothing from MGS first party makes me want to go out and wait in line except gears of war 3


although if they announced a new mech assault game for kinect i would definitely bite.

 

[ZombieSupaStar]

yay more halo gears and fable!

wew, thought we were gonna run out!

 

[Red]

A good Sci Fi RPG would be awesome. Not Deus Ex, not Alpha Protocal, but a good space RPG. I like Mass Effect, but I'd love a new turn based/semi realtime game like KotOR.

Yeah. Can't really imagine a Halo RPG in the hands of anything but Bioware. That's all a pipe dream, though. Bordering on fanboy wank.

 

[Emitan]

Microsoft has undoubtedly published some spectacular games since 2004. But they seem completely unwilling to bet on anything that doesn't already have a proven audience. I wish the company showed more creative boldness at the decision-making level.

We need a Dreamcast 2. This generation didn't take enough risks.

 

[The Elite]

i would love to believe that microsoft but to be honest... their current upcoming portfolio is pretty slim... nothing but sequels.

im hoping they bring something new and exciting... but nothing from MGS first party makes me want to go out and wait in line except gears of war 3

Sequels dominate the industry. This isn't a Microsoft exclusive problem.

 

[LosDaddie]

I was never worried. But apparently, there's a ton of wishful thinking on GAF.

I think it's crazy that they even have to ackowledge this at all. Is there anyone that seriously thinks they'll stop making, backing and supporting non Kinect games? :lol:

Yup. JUst read this thread. It's all to predictable. :lol

 

[bigdaddygamebot]

Fixed.

Fable 2 is the best game in the series so far, and a very good game in general.

The sheer amount of glitches and bugs that came with the game at launch excludes it from being a "very good game in general."

A game that prided itself on the fact that "everything the player does matters and has an impact on the world" invariably became a game that nothing the player does matters and has an extremely small impact on the world.

...and just in case, your dog dying matters...hey, there's DLC you can buy that will make that not matter too!

Fable 2 fails.

 

[soco]

MS Flight for controller and Kinect!

 

[Alucrid]

I thought this was about the 'Core' 360 bundle.

 

[Emitan]

The sheer amount of glitches and bugs that came with the game at launch excludes it from being a "very good game in general."

A game that prided itself on the fact that "everything the player does matters and has an impact on the world" invariably became a game that nothing the player does matters and has an extremely small impact on the world.

...and just in case, your dog dying matters...hey, there's DLC you can buy that will make that not matter too!

Fable 2 fails.

You could bring the dog back without DLC. It's one of the choices when you beat the game.
To not turn this into a bashing thread of Fable 2, I will admit that it had one of the best magic systems I've ever seen. I loved the whole charging through the different levels mechanic and the fact that if you did area of effect or a single target, the spell might fufil a completely different function. I feel like Fable 2 would have been a much better action game with RPG elements instead of a full on RPG.

 

[theBishop]

We need a Dreamcast 2. This generation didn't take enough risks.

blah blah sony blah industry innovators blah blah

 

[Diablohead]

We need a Dreamcast 2. This generation didn't take enough risks.

Bring back the VMU!

 

[bigdaddygamebot]

You could bring the dog back without DLC. It's one of the choices when you beat the game.
To not turn this into a bashing thread of Fable 2, I will admit that it had one of the best magic systems I've ever seen. I loved the whole charging through the different levels mechanic and the fact that if you did area of effect or a single target, the spell might fufil a completely different function. I feel like Fable 2 would have been a much better action game with RPG elements instead of a full on RPG.

I'm pretty sure if you chose the dog to bite the bullet, then that was it.

DLC that came out following the launch allowed you to resurrect the dog?

Am I going senile? Is that not how it went?

 

[Emitan]

Bring back the VMU!

Nintendo's next console will have a VMU type device. Bet on it. It's a much better idea than the small amount of flash memory on the Wii remotes.

 

[Emitan]

I'm pretty sure if you chose the dog to bite the bullet, then that was it.

DLC that came out following the launch allowed you to resurrect the dog?

Am I going senile? Is that not how it went?

Fable 2 or 3? I was talking about Fable 2. The villain kills your family and dog near the end and one of the three endings is reviving your family and dog.

 

[GhaleonEB]

If they wanted to assure the "core" that they would continue to be catered to, he would have said they were going to continue to invest in new IP in addition to the current franchises. What I took from the quote is the same thing I took from the earlier statements: the "core" games will be established franchises (Gears, Halo, Forza, Fable, etc.), and new investments will be made in the Kinect space. (And most likely, those "core" games will be "Kinect enhanced".)

There will be a new one here and there, but the focus has shifted. Which is fine, and what I expected. They basically have a new platform launch to support.

 

[Wazzim]

Just take some effort in making Forza 4, keep Lionhead making core games and it's alright with me.

 

[theBishop]

If they wanted to assure the "core" that they would continue to be catered to, he would have said they were going to continue to invest in new IP in addition to the current franchises. What I took from the quote is the same thing I took from the earlier statements: the "core" games will be established franchises (Gears, Halo, Forza, Fable, etc.), and new investments will be made in the Kinect space. (And most likely, those "core" games will be "Kinect enhanced".)

There will be a new one here and there, but the focus has shifted. Which is fine, and what I expected. They basically have a new platform launch to support.

I would accept this strategy if:

#1: MS hadn't lost a bunch of crucial exclusive relationships in the last 2 years.

#2: Alan Wake 2 was officially announced.

With Bioware and Bungie going multiplatform, by far the most important, consistently great franchise is Gears of War. And Epic has always been a free agent. MS doesn't have much to hang their hat on right now.

 

[plagiarize]

so now the issue is that MS aren't investing in NEW ip (even though they actually are)? if we're generous and say that Last Guardian isn't Trico, what else do Sony have on the horizon that isn't a sequel? what about Nintendo?

we're in the second half of this generation, which means lots of sequels and not much new IP.

ignoring downloadable games of course, because that's what the cool kids seem to do.

 

[TheExodu5]

It's not like that's a huge deal. Microsoft has mostly ignored the core for the past 2 years.

 

[Emitan]

Just take some effort in making Forza 4, keep Lionhead making core games and it's alright with me.

:lol :lol :lol

 

[Spitz]

Aren't they saying this like for years now but are constantly developing less exclusives, loosing exclusives (Mass Effect...) and loosing first party studios that were developing core games?

I am confused...

Lost faith in Microsoft a long time ago. The 360 may still be the best console but if you want great exclusive core games there is no way around the PS3.

You Sir are damn right.

 

[Vinterbird]

I blinked and beat it. For some super epic amazing RPG, it sure is short. It couldn't have taken me more than 10 hours to beat. And most of the side content isn't very compelling.

A 10 hour game can still be a good game (and most of the time, better then anything 40+ like crazy people want)

 

[ScOULaris]

Core gamer = Halo and Gears of War... etc.
Casual gamer = motion controls, dance and fitness games... etc.

Where the fuck do I fit in?

 

[Owzers]

CES: Microsoft on Kinect, the 360, and the future of Xbox Live

Eurogamer seems to have forgotten the Crytek thing.

In another 3 years before it comes out you'll forget too.

 

[WEGGLES]

It's not like that's a huge deal. Microsoft has mostly ignored the core for the past 2 years.

b-b-b-but they've had the CoD map packs early!

Core gamer = Halo and Gears of War... etc.
Casual gamer = motion controls, dance and fitness games... etc.

Where the fuck do I fit in?

I've wondered this too.

Where do you lump the people who like good games and having fun.
Be it a gory fps, or a simple puzzle game and everything inbetween.

 

[Emitan]

A 10 hour game can still be a good game (and most of the time, better then anything 40+ like crazy people want)

I agree, but I don't think anyone went into Fable 2 expecting a short game. Portal took me somewhere between 2-3 hours to beat my first time and I thought it was the perfect length. I don't think Fable 2's length suited it.

Core gamer = Halo and Gears of War... etc.
Casual gamer = motion controls, dance and fitness games... etc.

Where the fuck do I fit in?

PC or PS3 I would guess.

 

[Dabanton]

It seems that MS just can't satisfy some of you guys no matter what they do.

 

[apana]

so now the issue is that MS aren't investing in NEW ip (even though they actually are)? if we're generous and say that Last Guardian isn't Trico, what else do Sony have on the horizon that isn't a sequel? what about Nintendo?

we're in the second half of this generation, which means lots of sequels and not much new IP.

ignoring downloadable games of course, because that's what the cool kids seem to do.

No matter how you categorize it you would have to be blind to not see that it's something completely original. Sony deserves major props for how they support that studio.

 

[theBishop]

It's not like that's a huge deal. Microsoft has mostly ignored the core for the past 2 years.

Nah, I don't agree with this. 2010 was a pretty good year for Microsoft all things considered. Alan Wake, Splinter Cell, and Fable didn't quite live up to expectations, and Mass Effect 2 is coming to PS3, but there was every reason to believe these were all rock-solid bets. With several key PS3 exclusives getting delayed, MS ended up looking just fine in my opinion.

 

[d0c_zaius]

"and we'll continue to support and develop [games] like Bangaioh HD and Radiant Silvergun."

Looking forward to these more than anything else on the 360

 

[theBishop]

Core gamer = Halo and Gears of War... etc.
Casual gamer = motion controls, dance and fitness games... etc.

Where the fuck do I fit in?

Another MGS-published Mistwalker RPG? What the hell happened to those guys? After FF13, all J-gamers should give Lost Odyssey another look.

 

[Emitan]

It seems that MS just can't satisfy some of you guys no matter what they do.

They would satifsfy me if they had some interesting exclusives. Was Too Human good? No, but I think it was an intersting game. It combined God of War with Diablo in a sci fi Norse mythology world. It was different and interesting. Was Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts an amazing game? No, but it was pretty fun and unique and released for only $40 instead of the usual $60. Neither of these games blew me away like something like Demon's Souls did, but they stood out from the crowd. That's what I want from Microsoft: interesting, unique games.

EDIT:

No matter how you categorize it you would have to be blind to not see that it's something completely original. Sony deserves major props for how they support that studio.

I agree with this. For the sake of discussion I'd even classify Halo Wars as a unique IP because it didn't play like a traditional Halo game.

 

[Vinterbird]

They would satifsfy me if they had some interesting exclusives. Was Too Human good? No, but I think it was an intersting game. It combined God of War with Diablo in a sci fi Norse mythology world. It was different and interesting. Was Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts an amazing game? No, but it was pretty fun and unique and released for only $40 instead of the usual $60. Neither of these games blew me away like something like Demon's Souls did, but they stood out from the crowd. That's what I want from Microsoft: interesting, unique games.

EDIT:

I agree with this. For the sake of discussion I'd even classify Halo Wars as a unique IP because it didn't play like a traditional Halo game.

If people want that type of game, they should buy them instead of letting them become the biggest bombs of the year.

If people buy something, we will get more of it. MS tried their fucking hardest with Viva Pinata back in the day, and no one gave a fuck.

 

[makingmusic476]

Another MGS-published Mistwalker RPG? What the hell happened to those guys? After FF13, all J-gamers should give Lost Odyssey another look.

They're making the Last Story with Nintendo. I wouldn't expect much else from them on Microsoft's box at this point, unless it's multiplatform.

And I believe Sakaguchi said the Last Story would probably be his last game either way.

 

[theBishop]

If people want that type of game, they should buy them instead of letting them become the biggest bombs of the year.

If people buy something, we will get more of it. MS tried their fucking hardest with Viva Pinata back in the day, and no one gave a fuck.

The difference between Viva Piniata and those games is that Viva Piniata was both original and good.

It's a bummer when a good game doesn't get support, but you can't seriously expect people to buy bad games because the concept is good.

Granted that's pretty much what happened with

Spoiler

Assassin's Creed...

 

[TheVisualizer]

This news has me so excited I can barely contain the sweat in my Metallica t-shirt.

:lol well played sir... well played

 

[Rahxephon91]

I would hope this means more then just Halo and Gears, but we all know it dosen't.

 

[Shiggy]

Of course they don't have that intention. But neither do they have the intenton to support the Core.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru5sE86aO_I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtOWzNaGkNs

 

[see5harp]

b-b-b-but they've had the CoD map packs early!



I've wondered this too.

Where do you lump the people who like good games and having fun.
Be it a gory fps, or a simple puzzle game and everything inbetween.

If you are capable of appreciating a lot of genres, then why are you posting in this thread to begin with? There will be more great games than you can play through coming out this calendar year on 360 and XBLA (not to mention the other platforms). If you are really thinking there will be no reason to play your 360, I do not respect you as a person or a gamer.

 

[Emitan]

If people want that type of game, they should buy them instead of letting them become the biggest bombs of the year.

If people buy something, we will get more of it. MS tried their fucking hardest with Viva Pinata back in the day, and no one gave a fuck.

The problem I have with this is that most big AAA huge budget anticiapted games are always either shooters or other pure action games. Sure, these genres sell the most. But they're also the most advertised and hyped games. And they make up a large percentage of the market. Smaller, more niche games have a place and I think could gain more mainstream recognition with a major company such as Microsoft backing them.

 

[szaromir]

Core gamer = Halo and Gears of War... etc.
Casual gamer = motion controls, dance and fitness games... etc.

Where the fuck do I fit in?

SNES

 

[GhaleonEB]

I would accept this strategy if:

#1: MS hadn't lost a bunch of crucial exclusive relationships in the last 2 years.

#2: Alan Wake 2 was officially announced.

With Bioware and Bungie going multiplatform, by far the most important, consistently great franchise is Gears of War. And Epic has always been a free agent. MS doesn't have much to hang their hat on right now.

True. Their internal studio strategy has been an odd one, but I think it will be many years before we see the impact. Right now they're firing on all cylinders. But come the next platform launch, I think the degree to which the 1st party studios were gutted will bite, hard.

For now, they're in the phase where the platform is established enough that 3rd party support and the franchise staples can and will sustain it. Which is why the change in direction doesn't bother me - most of the games I look forward to don't come from MS, whereas early in the life cycle that wasn't the case (during the Halo 3, Gears 1, Crackdown, Fable 2 era).

 

[Blueblur1]

I blinked and beat it. For some super epic amazing RPG, it sure is short. It couldn't have taken me more than 10 hours to beat. And most of the side content isn't very compelling.

Different strokes for different folks. Totally understandable that you feel that way. It's a good game but if it didn't grab you then it's not surprising that you didn't find it to be impactful or compelling.

 

[V_Ben]

Oh shiggy... Every time you post a video of a cancelled rare game, a kitten dies

 

[metareferential]

Core gamer = Halo and Gears of War... etc.
Casual gamer = motion controls, dance and fitness games... etc.

Where the fuck do I fit in?

Are you a 360-only gamer? Then there's a fuckton of third-party software for you.

You're multiplat? 'the fuck are you complaining about? :lol

 

[Rahxephon91]

Of course they don't have that intention. But neither do they have the intenton to support the Core.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru5sE86aO_I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtOWzNaGkNs

Man I really wanted another Perfect Dark. It could be a big franchise.