Microsoft: 'We have no intention of shooting the Core'
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WrenchNinja
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I knew you wouldn't leave me, honey. I am taking a shower and ironing my Metallica shirt as we speak.
FateBreaker
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Rahxephon91 said:
You're telling me that Perfect Dark 2 would do better than Kinect Sports? Are you serious? :lol
metareferential
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TheOddOne said:
That's the consensus around here it seems.
Crewnh said:
Liar. We know you don't take showers.
Metallica shirts are like a second skin. xD
FateBreaker
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:lolTheOddOne said:
Rahxephon91
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Yeah, because I actually said that. Oh wait..FateBreaker said:
goldenpp72
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Kinect makes you soft, ever since I bought one I got perfect achievement scores in titles like dead rising 2, bionic commando retail, after burner, as well as most of them in stuff like halo reach and scott pilgrim.
Kinect is for babies
Kinect is for babies
Yes you did Microsoft... you did shoot the core.
Kameo sequel guys? Let me check around the really nice offices.
Nope, the composer of that lovely soundtrack is gone. Some key game designers are gone, some key artists are gone. Rare also said that it was their biggest mistake ever.
Perfect Dark...
Well it seems that someone didn't get the memo that nearly everyone involved in the development of Perfect Dark and Perfect Dark Zero left for greener pastures. Some went to work their magic on Halo, others simply vanished. Good news, David Clynick is still there so they could license some music.
Viva Pinata/Banjo Kazooie
Both quite dead, the last one might return some day because for some reason Gregg Mayles is still around but it's not likely with new management in place.
Rare has been trying really hard in their latest newsletters to explain to the fans that asking for Killer Instinct, Conker's Bad Fur Day(Seavor doesn't even direct games anymore) and other classic Rare IP's is useless now. The next game will be Kinect Sports 2 or something like it.
Rare was out of sync with Microsoft for ages. Tim and Chris eventually even left got booted, that's still fishy because MS started to mess around with their pet projects.
MS changing their executive board once every week wasn't helpful to get projects geenlit nor was Rare's useless management. Peter Moore would be like: "yeah awesome", Schappert would be like: "Naah" and Don would be like: "Woah, we still haven't rebranded that?".
So when Microsoft announced that they would evaluate every franchise and see what fits the Xbox brand we knew how it would end. Peter Molyneux will ship Fable 4 by the end of 2012. Rare will ship their next Kinect Sports/whatever by the end of 2011. MS will probably focus on Remedy(Alan Wake?), Ruffian(Crackdown), Lionhead(Fable) Turn10(Forza), 434(Halo), Big Park(Kinect stuff), Rare(Kinect stuff), Crytek(Kingdoms), Epic(Gears) and say 'fuck it' to the rest of their franchises and studios. Once every two years or so they'll go shopping in Japan or the US and fund some 'core' 'cheap' 'niche' games. But the days of them taking risk with Blue Dragon, Viva Pinata and or a dozen of other projects are over.
Kameo sequel guys? Let me check around the really nice offices.
Nope, the composer of that lovely soundtrack is gone. Some key game designers are gone, some key artists are gone. Rare also said that it was their biggest mistake ever.
Perfect Dark...
Well it seems that someone didn't get the memo that nearly everyone involved in the development of Perfect Dark and Perfect Dark Zero left for greener pastures. Some went to work their magic on Halo, others simply vanished. Good news, David Clynick is still there so they could license some music.
Viva Pinata/Banjo Kazooie
Both quite dead, the last one might return some day because for some reason Gregg Mayles is still around but it's not likely with new management in place.
Rare has been trying really hard in their latest newsletters to explain to the fans that asking for Killer Instinct, Conker's Bad Fur Day(Seavor doesn't even direct games anymore) and other classic Rare IP's is useless now. The next game will be Kinect Sports 2 or something like it.
Rare was out of sync with Microsoft for ages. Tim and Chris eventually even left got booted, that's still fishy because MS started to mess around with their pet projects.
MS changing their executive board once every week wasn't helpful to get projects geenlit nor was Rare's useless management. Peter Moore would be like: "yeah awesome", Schappert would be like: "Naah" and Don would be like: "Woah, we still haven't rebranded that?".
So when Microsoft announced that they would evaluate every franchise and see what fits the Xbox brand we knew how it would end. Peter Molyneux will ship Fable 4 by the end of 2012. Rare will ship their next Kinect Sports/whatever by the end of 2011. MS will probably focus on Remedy(Alan Wake?), Ruffian(Crackdown), Lionhead(Fable) Turn10(Forza), 434(Halo), Big Park(Kinect stuff), Rare(Kinect stuff), Crytek(Kingdoms), Epic(Gears) and say 'fuck it' to the rest of their franchises and studios. Once every two years or so they'll go shopping in Japan or the US and fund some 'core' 'cheap' 'niche' games. But the days of them taking risk with Blue Dragon, Viva Pinata and or a dozen of other projects are over.
metareferential
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TheOddOne said:
That is basically what they are complaining about.
Gears 3, Forza 4 and Crytek new game (assuming it will release this year) along with the xbla offering is not enough, since Sony has 2-3 more new games coming.
EDIT: I forgot Resi3 and the new Ratchet; so Sony has 3-4 exclusives more.
Rahxephon91
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Too bad most of those are on Kenict.TheOddOne said:
Rahxephon91
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Which isn't really the argument. The argument is investing on new non kentic titles.TheOddOne said:
My mistake.TheOddOne said:
Blue Dragon and Viva Pinata were massive bombs that must have cost them tens of millions of dollars. No executive can justify publishing expensive and very high risk projects which even if they attract big audience they will have low ROI.[Nintex] said:
If you want such games to be done, you have to buy them and pray they do well (regardless of who's the publisher). Companies have less and less reasons to invest in such titles.
_Alkaline_
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Ah Nintex, it's a cruel world isn't it.
metareferential
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Well, it seems no-one is investing in new titles.
This year is pretty much all about sequels.
On Microsoft's side we have Crytek game and Kinect titles as new Ip's (and the xbla stuff).
Sony has the Move stuff and Last Guardian.
Nintendo I don't know and I don't care anymore, frankly.
This year is pretty much all about sequels.
On Microsoft's side we have Crytek game and Kinect titles as new Ip's (and the xbla stuff).
Sony has the Move stuff and Last Guardian.
Nintendo I don't know and I don't care anymore, frankly.
goldenpp72
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[Nintex] said:
You expect microsoft to sequel games that bomb? When did they become Microsoft: Charity developer? Most devs these days get shut down if their games don't crack 500k -_-
CrunchinJelly
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I think you post variations of this in literally every thread.[Nintex] said:
goldenpp72
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[Nintex] said:
So? This isn't anything new, nintendo hasn't made a new ip for consoles since their wii line, and if you want to bring up 'core gamerz' then what would be nintendos last genuinely new ip.. pikmin? :lol
Sony? They got resistance, littlebigplanet, uncharted, heavy rain, infamous, and..?
Microsoft got gears of war, crackdown, viva pinata, kameo, kinect sports, dance central, alan wake, blue dragon, lost odyssey, and for awhile, mass effect.
Microsoft also has new ip like project draco and codename D, and i'm sure more to be announced such as that codename kingdoms game from crytek.
Am I trying to turn this into a software battle? No, all of the 1st parties do fine, but all the people bitching about microsoft obviously don't follow other companies. MS is doing sequels to successful IP, ignoring failures, and dabbling into a couple new ip here and there to see if it will stick. The difference between nintendo and microsoft is nintendo has a LOT of established successful IP so they rarely output a new series altogether, MS is still building their IP and as such a lot of new stuff will come and go until they have a bigger set of series to work from.
Sony did the same shit, it's nothing different. Of course, they all make a new ip here and there and i'm sure when a new console comes we'll see the cycle again, but stuff that succeeded like halo, gears, fable, crackdown, kinect sports, and so forth, will continue on along a new set of games.
I just don't see why MS is being demonized here when as far as I can see, sony and nintendo are nothing but sequel city this year either :/ Maybe it's just my ignorance, but what is the huge lineup of original IP coming from nintendo and sony this year?
Every other publisher on the planet bases their operations on established IPs, creating big amounts of new ones only if they don't have them already or if they're low risk. That's the reality of video games world, you either get more interested in the indie scene or you'll continue to be bitter.[Nintex] said:
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goldenpp72 said:
I'm late to the thread, but I'd think the answer here is simply that this has nothing to do with Nintendo or Sony. Why should someone who's been very satisfied with Microsoft's approach care about the competition? They care what Microsoft does, and when Microsoft's approach changes as drastically as it has, they have every right to become dissatisfied.
Domino Theory
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I think the bigger underlying issue is that Microsoft just takes way too long to announce new games. Years ago, they would announce things at E3 then X0 then GDC, rinse and repeat. There always felt like there was something coming down the pipeline from Microsoft.
Now we have to wait for E3 for them to announce anything so when they have a "bad" E3 in the Core audiences' mind (E3 2010), we have to suck it up and wait a whole year to hear more from them.
Sony utilizes places GC, TGS and even have their own mini-events/conferences to announce more games so you always feel like you're getting a steady stream of games coming down the pipeline.
Now we have to wait for E3 for them to announce anything so when they have a "bad" E3 in the Core audiences' mind (E3 2010), we have to suck it up and wait a whole year to hear more from them.
Sony utilizes places GC, TGS and even have their own mini-events/conferences to announce more games so you always feel like you're getting a steady stream of games coming down the pipeline.
goldenpp72
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Leondexter said:
Well I own them all, so i assess them as such. Microsoft is a business and a lot of their business has been a total failure this generation, if you expect them to continue sequeling or outputting games they now consider doomed to fail, you might as well go elsewhere because like any company, they are trying to make money.
and no, it's not preferable, all the games I listed I liked or love and would love more, but I can see why they aren't hot on the heels of blue dragon 2 and kameo 2 as well. Rare in particular are huge failures for microsoft up until kinect sports, PDZ barely sold a million on the xbox 360, a console that sells ass tons of software AND shooters in particular, and the rest of rares titles have been abysmal failures.
And lionhead? They can't even output the fable series without constantly screwing it up, if you were microsoft, why would you want to say hey guys, you know that one series that sells a lot but you keep screwing up? Why not try to make a risky new ip that also sucks so we don't make money, that's cool.
I do however agree with the sentiment MS could be trying harder, letting bizarre go, bioware, bungie and also destroying ensemble (even if halo wars was lame) along with fasa and such, is disappointing, but it's a LITTLE too early to be saying what MS will or won't do, I say if people want to panic wait until e3.
Leondexter said:
Where in January 2011. Where in your opinion has MS approach changed?
Yes they have been talking about Kinect a lot seeing as it's a new product and was going through what is now looking like a successful launch period.
But a drastic change? If Sony hadn't have announced pretty much their entire 2011 lineup would we all be worried that they have been ignoring the 'core' and were only going to be making Move games.
If E3 comes round and the unlikely scenario happens that MS has nothing new then i'll join in the bitching. But it just seems bizarre that people are writing them off in the first month of a new year.
I guess I'm just seeing a connection between MS's:
"PC gaming, yes we're still dedicated to PC gaming and have many titles coming up but I don't know what the names are at the moment."
and
"Core games on Xbox 360? We're still very much dedicated to core gamers with the Halo and Gears franchises."
Do I understand MS's reasons? Yes. Do I like them as a gamer? No.
"PC gaming, yes we're still dedicated to PC gaming and have many titles coming up but I don't know what the names are at the moment."
and
"Core games on Xbox 360? We're still very much dedicated to core gamers with the Halo and Gears franchises."
Do I understand MS's reasons? Yes. Do I like them as a gamer? No.
SapientWolf
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Some of them are now working at Crytek.[Nintex] said:
PopcornMegaphone
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[Nintex] said:
Well if you read the OP the MS rep didn't make that 2nd statement. Like most people in this thread you're taking an innocuous statement completely out of context.
FateBreaker
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Rahxephon91 said:
It was certainly implied. Why else bring up a PD2 would do well since PD sold a million? Because it's a juxtaposition with their current Kinect efforts.
Rahxephon91
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Don't know how it was implied. I didn't even know they made kinect sports and I don't even care. My point is a Perfect Dark sequel should have been released, perferbly 2 years after zero, by Rare or someone else. And why bring up that PD2 would do well? Well because the first 1 did well as a launch title and with a bigger audience that is open to shooters, I bet a decent PD sequel would do well. So why not make it and have another franchise to switch in between Gears and Halo.FateBreaker said:
Rahxephon91
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Well that's besides the point. It hasn't stopped Sony lol. The fact is the franchise had a solid base and could have been a hit, but was mismanaged. Sure Zero wasn't received that well, but a well made sequel with good support would probably do better. The name still meant something.szaromir said:
Neon_Icarus
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Shiggy said:
That's interesting. I've never heard of Knight Wars and Sphear (and I follow Nintendo pretty closely). Which studios were developing them? Do you have a source?
quickwhips
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So the it seems microsoft is screwed and I need to sell my 2 xbox 360s and 88+ games. Sell my kinect and move to ps3? Should I just buy a ps3 slim or a move bundle?
TheExecutive
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Paco said:
Well, I wont get into what ifs but MS isn't eating anyones lunch. A few million consoles ahead and a year more sales time isnt eating anything. However, sony shot themselves in the foot this generation and it had nothing to do with MS's or Sony's core lineup.
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Paco said:
Kinect, of course. A lot of their resources have been dedicated to a peripheral that has, at best, an unproven appeal to the demographic that's made their Xbox venture a success.
Leondexter said:
It seems you're under the assumption that you've lost something. Microsoft said their intention was to expand the appeal of the Xbox, not compromise it. Is it impossible that they have simply added resources? This is Microsoft after all.
Don't use Rare as an example, they were never successful with the core Xbox demographic.
TheExecutive said:
MS is most certainly eating Sony's lunch. Not only has the Xbox brand moved on level terms with Playstation it's also stole a lot of Sony's hardcore audience. It's not all about who ends up in third place at the end of the generation but more the huge amount of ground MS have made up since the original XBOX days.
metareferential
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canova said:
I was talking about Sony published or developed titles.
Just checked the 2011 line-up thread, and there's more than I remembered, in fact.
It is an extraordinary year for the ps3, no doubt.