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Considering yourself the last 24 hours, I don't doubt them. I wouldn't be surprised you were marked as someone to watch for being condescending or suspect for a while. I'm pretty sure I was too given my track record in the MCU.

You live by the sword, you die by it.

Once again just making baseless assumptions to conveniently fit your preconceived ideas. My entire post history is available, so proof that you're full of shit is within reach.

And pretty rich coming from you... questioning MY behavior for the past 24 hours? As another poster said, Poe's law comes into play... at a few points I really started to think you HAD to be trolling and couldn't seriously be genuine with all of.... this. But anything is possible on the internet in 2017.
 
Your entire premise is based on your feelings and not data. Immigrants are actually less likely to commit crimes than Americans. No one should give your whataboutism that paints immigrants as somehow more deserving of greater scrutiny because it doesn't line up with the facts. Frankly such rhetoric has the same effect as those groups in othering people who weren't blessed with the happenstance of being born here as somehow less safe. When reality shows they are less likely to commit crime than regular old ignorant Americans. You may not be a member of any of those groups but you're still spreading their stink and ideology with these "concerns", "opinions", or "views" or whatever you'd like to call them. If you can divorce your feelings from the equation you might be able to see how functionally, especially to groups like immigrants if you are the same. I don't blame them for not giving a shit about your intentions. They are busy trying to make a better life for themselves.

Why should there be room for shit that's so clearly wrong without facts to back it up. What finer points does that add to the discussion?

Well, for starters I never said immigrants are the ones causing more crime, did I? In fact I was talking about having secure borders so things like suitcase nukes and the like are not able to come in and take out a small city. I wasn't even trying to suggest that we stop people trying to immigrate here from doing so. But, in classic OT style, you jumped on my shit assuming I was this alt-right thinker and trying to dog whistle that brown people should not come in to the country. You just proved my entire point. No discussion, just SLAM, you must mean this and you're wrong so whatever.

These are the types of responses that were rampant in OT
 
I like how you deflect the SHIITLOAD of accusations against the former mods of selectively banning people who disagreed with their political views by accusing them of agenda pushing in the same thread where there are screenshots of besada admitting he's looking for reasons to ban posters that disagree with his political views. Like cicero said, it's no coincidence that people who are are terrible at debating want a forum that bans dissent.

Also what agenda are these people pushing? Please be specific.
For many users, their "political views" are, in fact, toxic positions and right-wing doggerel that are hostile to the lived experience of many other users.

There are 1,001 places on the Internet to offer said political views. NeoGAF was one place that actually tried regulating people spouting bad opinions, and ta-da, a lot of people with bad opinions got upset.

The mods, and the community, have no obligation to read anyone's political views. Just because you hold views and want to debate doesn't make your views interesting or worthy of debate. This is a lesson worth internalizing. Amazing that the amateur moderating team of a private php games board could hurt so many feelings. :(
 
Following the chain of events that has happened this past week has been surreal. I’ve been habitually browsing these forums for something like 15-ish years, so I really would miss this place if it were gone. Hopefully all of this dumbass account suicide trolling is over with soon, but I imagine it will take a few weeks at least.

I agree with the sentiment that OT was generally a safe space for the extreme left, and I find it somewhat amusing that fostering that environment backfired big time. Lessons to be learned! Still, despite its obvious biases, OT was my news feed. There was a great variety of topics, breaking news was on GAF first, people from all over the world participated, etc. I’m really hoping that level of discussion will be reached again.
 

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No he's not. The list of admins and mods have been announced and it's almost none of the old mods.

Who?
 
Great talking points there friend. Gee, I wonder why cicero said you suck at debate.

This isn't even a debate. I already know your angle. You can't even realize you're wasting your own time. That's the baffling part. Like, I'm telling you that you're wasting your time trying to convince me of your gamer gate logic and you keep trying. You can keep trying and I'll keep responding but this isn't some 3-D chess thing or whatever, I'm telling you you're wasting your time.
 
I'm a big fan of Seinfeld. I've been watching it regularly for over 25 years, so for better or worse, it's played a part in shaping my worldview. That said, I think I can recognize and sympathize with some of EviLore's questionable behavior.

1. He was looking for tips on how to shower more effectively.

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2. He wanted to protect his female guest from the unusually powerful showerhead; taking a bullet, so to speak, like a true gentleman!

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3. He installed a garbage disposal in his shower to be more efficient, and needed urgent access to it to prepare a meal for a group of scientology spinoff cultists (or risk being roofied if they were unsatisfied).

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Because seriously, do you expect him to take a bath or something? And sit there in a tepid pool of his own filth? It's disgusting.

i almost reached 20,000 posts you dick
oh this is beautiful
 
The only thing I don't understand in all this is the link between the accusations made against the site's owner and the banning of political topics. Why does one lead to the other, and why is all that coming to a head now?

There has always been hate against Neogaf by the usual suspects for being pro "SJW" or being liberal leaning in general. But why is that a problem exactly? There are plenty of places on the internet for right-wingers and alt-righters, some that ban at the mere mention of dissent.
I can't think of many places on the web for progressive minded people anymore. The so-called neutral grounds are overrun with alt-righters these days. Marketplace of ideas and all that, but there are far more echo chamber/bubble-y communities than GAF out there. It was nice to discuss topics in an arena whose members mostly shared the same base values I do. And there certainly aren't that many other places to discuss progressive values as they relate to gaming.
 
Ah, gotcha. Where's the list at? I want to see it.

In the Discord, which can't be joined right now. I'm sure it will be visible and public once the site goes live, but I don't want to share anything before that just in case they have something else in mind.
 
Well, for starters I never said immigrants are the ones causing more crime, did I? In fact I was talking about having secure borders so things like suitcase nukes and the like are not able to come in and take out a small city. I wasn't even trying to suggest that we stop people trying to immigrate here from doing so. But, in classic OT style, you jumped on my shit assuming I was this alt-right thinker and trying to dog whistle that brown people should not come in to the country. You just proved my entire point. No discussion, just SLAM, you must mean this and you're wrong so whatever.

These are the types of responses that were rampant in OT

You don't have to say the word immigrant. It's the generally accepted word for people coming into one country from another.

1. a person who migrates to another country, usually for permanent residence. 2. an organism found in a new habitat. adjective.

Or were you not describing people coming from one country to another with your open borders concerns?
 
Ah, gotcha. Where's the list at? I want to see it.
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In the Discord, which can't be joined right now. I'm sure it will be visible and public once the site goes live, but I don't want to share anything before that just in case they have something else in mind.

Do you know when this website will go live, I'm quite curious to see how it looks?
 
For many users, their "political views" are, in fact, toxic positions and right-wing doggerel that are hostile to the lived experience of many other users.

There are 1,001 places on the Internet to offer said political views. NeoGAF was one place that actually tried regulating people spouting bad opinions, and ta-da, a lot of people with bad opinions got upset.

The mods, and the community, have no obligation to read anyone's political views. Just because you hold views and want to debate doesn't make your views interesting or worthy of debate. This is a lesson worth internalizing. Amazing that the amateur moderating team of a private php games board could hurt so many feelings. :(


There was a specific clique in here that labeled everything that didn't follow its dogma as toxic, not the "community". Most of the community was silent because they were afraid of getting banned. You're talking about the loud minority that benefited by the actions of the mods and had made this forum so obnoxious to the point even the damn gaming industry was celebrating this clusterfuck. My hope btw is that at least the forum can somehow fix now its relationship with the gaming industry.
 
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Morrigan
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Steve
Supernorn
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Welp, there it is right after I post :). Thanks!
 
Dude you're an admitted perma-banned person who has said dubious things about Michael Brown and joining the gamer gate hostility. You did this to yourself by making terrible decisions and claiming you were trolling.

You kind of invalidated your own opinions.

Like, you're now saying, "I worked in minority areas" just like Colin who said he grew up in minority areas. You're not fooling a god damn person. lol



I already know you know. ;) T'is fun.

Link me directly to the hostility in my post since I provided my old info. Also, define hostility. Also, show me where your definition of hostility is found in the TOS. I would love to hear why me saying that Leigh Alexander was too hostile in her editorial was the real hostility. Or why my big hesitancy to label question askers as secret GG-trolls trying to derail and destroy conversation, as many others were claiming, was the real hostility to be found in that thread.

I did not claim I was trolling, I claimed that I couldn't tell if *you* were trolling. You don't seem able to even follow this current conversation.

Also, I'm not Colin. You have no idea who I am. But I haven't lied. But since your brain has already painted it's picture, it's too late for facts to enter. Do you know who you actually remind me of, in your labelling and dismissals? A Trump supporter.

That being said, now that order seems to be established again, this will be my last post on this drama. Back to actual game conversation.
 
This isn't even a debate. I already know your angle. You can't even realize you're wasting your own time. That's the baffling part. Like, I'm telling you that you're wasting your time trying to convince me of your gamer gate logic and you keep trying. You can keep trying and I'll keep responding but this isn't some 3-D chess thing or whatever, I'm telling you you're wasting your time.

You are toxic. I won't miss posters like you.
Still requesting a ban and yes, I PMed ModBot.
 
The only thing I don't understand in all this is the link between the accusations made against the site's owner and the banning of political topics. Why does one lead to the other, and why is all that coming to a head now?

Poorly thought out effort by Evilore to lessen the blowback from the community he's cultivated and knows would rake him over the coals for this.
 
The only thing I don't understand in all this is the link between the accusations made against the site's owner and the banning of political topics. Why does one lead to the other, and why is all that coming to a head now?

There has always been hate against Neogaf by the usual suspects for being pro "SJW" or being liberal leaning in general. But why is that a problem exactly? There are plenty of places on the internet for right-wingers and alt-righters, some that ban at the mere mention of dissent.
I can't think of many places on the web for progressive minded people anymore. The so-called neutral grounds are overrun with alt-righters these days. Marketplace of ideas and all that, but there are far more echo chamber/bubble-y communities than GAF out there. It was nice to discuss topics in an arena whose members mostly shared the same base values I do. And there certainly aren't that many other places to discuss progressive values as they relate to gaming.

I think it had more to do with the amount of moderation time that the OT section of the site generally requires, and the fact that the majority of his moderation team left. At any given time there are many topics, several of which are political in nature, which require a great deal more scrutiny than gaming topics. This is mostly assumption as I don't venture to the gaming side often... except now... on the daily.
 
There was a specific clique in here that labeled everything that didn't follow its dogma as toxic, not the "community". Most of the community was silent because they were afraid of getting banned. You're talking about the loud minority that benefited by the actions of the mods and had made this forum so obnoxious to the point even the damn gaming industry was celebrating this clusterfuck. My hope is that at least the forum can somehow fix now it's relationship with the gaming industry.
Endless lols. Won't someone think about NeoGAF's (nonexistent) relationship with the gaming industry?

If you want to make some convoluted weaselly tedious bullshit argument about how a clique of mods worked capriciously to weed out people who held anything other than progressive, left-wing, inclusive values, you're going to find me at the end of that argument laughing at you and applauding those same mods for doing exactly that. Oh no, some silly boys got banned from a message board. What a calamity. I'm sorry the discourse at this one place on the Internet didn't revolve around your thoughts and perspectives. That must have been a new and chastening experience. I'm sorry you had to live in fear of losing posting privileges at neogaf.com/forum.
 
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Yikes.

Someone on here should not be a mod, in my opinion. I don't think they're capable of being neutral.
 
You don't have to say the word immigrant. It's the generally accepted word for people coming into one country from another.

1. a person who migrates to another country, usually for permanent residence. 2. an organism found in a new habitat. adjective.

Or were you not describing people coming from one country to another with your open borders concerns?

No, I wasn't. I was talking about how us having borders, that are wide open, make it pretty easy for someone to smuggle in something like a dirty bomb. I said nothing of stopping people from immigrating or anything of the sort. I believe there are bad people out in the world, all walks of life and color, who would like to harm Americans. We need to address that. So, when you assumed I was talking about stemming immigration, and proceeded to jump my shit for with with all your data on this and that I feel it proved my point. You didn't know what I was talking about so you used the "you are using alt-right ideals" instead of saying, hey, what do you mean my secure borders? If that had been your response then I could have elaborated my point. As it stands, you got worked up as did I and now the possibility that you and I would engage in a civil discussion and honestly listen to each other has dwindled greatly.

Again, this is deja vu from OT.
 
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Interesting. A few people I respect a lot. A few that I have major issues with. And the rest I know little/nothing about. We'll see how this goes. Still don't see it really taking off but who knows.

Yikes.

Someone on here should not be a mod, in my opinion. I don't think they're capable of being neutral.

I count at least two on that list that have absolutely no business being a moderator of anything anywhere. But well, we'll see how it works out for them.
 
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Kagari
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Morrigan
RASCAL
Rowlf
Royalan
Imran (ShockingAlberto)
Slayven
Spider
Steve
Supernorn
Sylverstone

Cool list, several names I really appreciate as posters here.
I'll migrate.
Delete my account.
 
Splinter forums are crazy. Discord is coming to kill us all anyway. Forums have been sinking in popularity for a long time now and fracturing like this only makes it easier for Discord to eat your user base.
 
Endless lols. Won't someone think about NeoGAF's (nonexistent) relationship with the gaming industry?

If you want to make some convoluted weaselly tedious bullshit argument about how a clique of mods worked capriciously to weed out people who held anything other than progressive, left-wing, inclusive values, you're going to find me at the end of that argument laughing at you and applauding those same mods for doing exactly that. Oh no, some silly boys got banned from a message board. What a calamity. I'm sorry the discourse at this one place on the Internet didn't revolve around your thoughts and perspectives. That must have been a new and chastening experience. I'm sorry you had to live in fear of losing posting privileges at neogaf.com/forum.


I didn't live in fear, I had actually PMed Evilore criticism of the mods and forum a crapload of times before giving up on it. But I KNOW most of the community did and this will be proved by how small the new authoritarian circlejerk forum is gonna be. Wait and see, people don't want this crap in their community, yes, they want reasonable discussion without trolling, spamming and serious assholes disrupting it but they don't want what that new forum represents.
 
No, I wasn't. I was talking about how us having borders, that are wide open, make it pretty easy for someone to smuggle in something like a dirty bomb. I said nothing of stopping people from immigrating or anything of the sort. I believe there are bad people out in the world, all walks of life and color, who would like to harm Americans. We need to address that. So, when you assumed I was talking about stemming immigration, and proceeded to jump my shit for with with all your data on this and that I feel it proved my point. You didn't know what I was talking about so you used the "you are using alt-right ideals" instead of saying, hey, what do you mean my secure borders? If that had been your response then I could have elaborated my point. As it stands, you got worked up as did I and now the possibility that you and I would engage in a civil discussion and honestly listen to each other has dwindled greatly.

Again, this is deja vu from OT.

That's not what open borders means. You're being disingenuous if you think we are just gonna tear down all the security checkpoints we have and not check baggage coming in on flights and stuff.

I never said that you were using alt-right ideas. Just that functionally your scare mongering about terrorism is no different from what those groups do.
 
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Looks like the place to be. I'm going to migrate for sure then.
 
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Steve
Supernorn
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The mod list doesn't really inspire me.

The admin list though, holy shit, a bunch of people who were too arrogant for NeoGAF. Count me out.
 
Dude be careful. According to my sources, not all exgaf member are invited to resetage. Apparently, entire communities are being excluded...
What kind of information is that?

They start with selected communities and the people in the Discord, but will allow registration later. It's just that so many users at once are a administrative nightmare, so they try to do in waves. Just wait up a bit.
 
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Yikes

Definitely staying on GAF. Loved this site forever.
 
The purity tests have begun.

i just want to say one thing to you. i've been curious to see what direction the new gaf will take, and what kind of people/opinions will prevail. i've seen tons of your posts in the last 24 hours, and i now have my answer. so, thank you for confirming what i already figured was true. gaf is now a safe haven for miserable shit lords who think that pc culture is the real problem with america. have fun with your joke of a forum.
 
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Steve
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Some really good names, a few really worrying names and one name I audibly said "Uh oh" as soon as I read it. Not sure how it'll work out but all the same I hope everyone some measure of success.


If that's Morrigan Stark, I'm not sure why you're saying yikes. I have confidence she would be a good moderator.
 
Like, y'all calling the previous mod team authoritarian just shows how paranoid you all were. You can't even prove even 50 people were banned unfairly. Y'all got like a few cases and assume it's super widespread.
 
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Looks like alt-right won't be a problem, since Slayven is a mod. That's one thing good about this list.
 
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Imran (ShockingAlberto)
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Steve
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I only recognize a few of those names (and one is someone who I'm not super fond of, but whatever. Can't win 'em all) but I'm excited to see Cheesemeister on that list. Was disappointed we may not get one of his amazing GOTY threads this year.
 
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I wish them the best of luck, will prob try to register my self there once its live. But jeez... you don't start off a new forum from scratch and have that many staffers. Sure you need to prep, but every single post is going to be vetted 10x more than one would hope. Ugn...

Am very excited to see how far they customized XF... as that is something that hopefully is still planned here for the near future.
 
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