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[Soleil rouge]

It’s just so weird

This woman decides to go on a road trip with Evilore...get drunk and stay in the same hotel room...he didn’t touch her once...

I think every guy would have made the same mistake he did

From all the information out there, I'm going to speculate that she was cheating on her boyfriend with Evilore. What kind of a guy would let his gf take a road trip with another dude, knowing there would be drinking, partying involved? It's not surprising her and her man broke up shortly after.

 

[TTOOLL]

I don't know if the story is true or not, but if any mod is reading this, can I ask for a ban? I am not risking giving money to someone who might have sexually assaulted someone.

Thanks.

I hope you don't get banned. Just log out and never come back.
Also, don't watch any Kevin Spacey movies anymore.

 

[Royce McCutcheon]

Go into her shower naked after she puked her guts out from drinking too much?

Y'all really think lore went "She's throwing up, now's my chance!" Ridiculous lol. It likely went

1. Drinking
2. Flirting
3. Imma go start the shower
4. Oh no I'm gonna throw up
5. Get your penis out of here I'm sick
6. How about last night huh

 

[Symphonia]

Y'all really think lore went "She's throwing up, now's my chance!" Ridiculous lol. It likely went

1. Drinking
2. Flirting
3. Imma go start the shower
4. Oh no I'm gonna throw up
5. Get your penis out of here I'm sick
6. How about last night huh

We’ll more than likely never know the exact chain of events that led to this situation. We only know they were drunk, they shared a room together, he got in the shower naked with her, he got out when she said no, and...that’s it. Again, there was no sexual contact or inappropriate touching. If there was, surely she would’ve said that rather than he just got in the shower. The fact she entered into a sexual relationship with Tyler later on does cast doubt on the incident, not to say it didn’t happen or that it was wrong, but she obviously has/had a sexual attraction to him.

 

[MarkMclovin]

Y'all really think lore went "She's throwing up, now's my chance!" Ridiculous lol. It likely went

1. Drinking
2. Flirting
3. Imma go start the shower
4. Oh no I'm gonna throw up
5. Get your penis out of here I'm sick
6. How about last night huh

You'll fit in well round here mate.

 

[Royce McCutcheon]

You'll fit in well round here mate.

You're right there with me pal

 

[Raptomex]

But you do choose to support him financially.

He gets paid from ad revenue for NeoGAF, a message board. He's not getting paid for sexual assault. This argument has never made sense.

 

[Symphonia]

He gets paid from ad revenue for NeoGAF, a message board. He's not getting paid for sexual assault. This argument has never made sense.

This, and what makes it even more laughable is that he’s condemning us for ‘financially supporting’ EviLore, but he’s doing the exact same by continuing to post here.

 

[Raptomex]

This, and what makes it even more laughable is that he's condemning us for ‘financially supporting' EviLore, but he's doing the exact same by continuing to post here.

People do this all the time and it never makes sense. Ever. "If you do this, you're supporting a horrible person, therefor you're a horrible person". That's not how it works despite what everyone says. That's like saying if you use the bathroom you're a Nazi because Hitler or Trump use the bathroom. It's ridiculous. The only way you're supporting something shitty is if you directly support and fuel that cause (i.e. paying him money for sexually assaulting people).

 

[TheContact]

We'll more than likely never know the exact chain of events that led to this situation. We only know they were drunk, they shared a room together, he got in the shower naked with her, he got out when she said no, and...that's it. Again, there was no sexual contact or inappropriate touching. If there was, surely she would've said that rather than he just got in the shower. The fact she entered into a sexual relationship with Tyler later on does cast doubt on the incident, not to say it didn't happen or that it was wrong, but she obviously has/had a sexual attraction to him.

Yes, this. The problem is GAF became so accustomed to it being sacrilegious to assume that a girl could have regrets about a relationship and anyone who "victim" blamed anyone at all was banned and is no longer around here. Having said that, it's a little scummy that Tyler tried to have sex with this girl knowing she had a boyfriend, but I've known so many guys who hit on girls who they know have BFs and so many girls who don't care and cheat on their BF anyway. It would be a lot different if she was married. He propositioned her, albeit in a blunt way (we know this is just his personality based on his Ass Grabbing show-of-dominance), and when she said no, he left. If Tyler had forced himself on her it would be a different story and there would be no gray area, but that wasn't the case.

 

[Symphonia]

Yes, this. The problem is GAF became so accustomed to it being sacrilegious to assume that a girl could have regrets about a relationship and anyone who "victim" blamed anyone at all was banned and is no longer around here. Having said that, it's a little scummy that Tyler tried to have sex with this girl knowing she had a boyfriend, but I've known so many guys who hit on girls who they know have BFs and so many girls who don't care and cheat on their BF anyway. It would be a lot different if she was married. He propositioned her, albeit in a blunt way (we know this is just his personality based on his Ass Grabbing show-of-dominance), and when she said no, he left. If Tyler had forced himself on her it would be a different story and there would be no gray area, but that wasn't the case.

This is the best summary yet.

 

[MDSLKTR]

People are trying to knock some sense into you, but I guess its a lost cause. I'm not going to make a big scene. Just logging out. Have fun everyone.

Close the door on your way back in.

 

[numble]

Yes, this. The problem is GAF became so accustomed to it being sacrilegious to assume that a girl could have regrets about a relationship and anyone who "victim" blamed anyone at all was banned and is no longer around here. Having said that, it's a little scummy that Tyler tried to have sex with this girl knowing she had a boyfriend, but I've known so many guys who hit on girls who they know have BFs and so many girls who don't care and cheat on their BF anyway. It would be a lot different if she was married. He propositioned her, albeit in a blunt way (we know this is just his personality based on his Ass Grabbing show-of-dominance), and when she said no, he left. If Tyler had forced himself on her it would be a different story and there would be no gray area, but that wasn't the case.

Even if it is a case of "he said, she said", I am disturbed that accounts like the above just pick and choose from the girl's comments as to what happened while ignoring what the guy said. Even if the above facts are the only true things, it still leaves the fact that he went to the press and said the above facts are false, that she is making up the story, that they had a harmonious and consensual encounter, that she has a mental illness, and that she made her comments because she is hostile and bitter towards him.

If we get into what was told to the mods, its even crazier with the claims of being drugged, and the attempted kidnapping/attempted rape by a cult.

 

[Royce McCutcheon]

Even if it is a case of "he said, she said", I am disturbed that accounts like the above just pick and choose from the girl's comments as to what happened while ignoring what the guy said. Even if the above facts are the only true things, it still leaves the fact that he went to the press and said the above facts are false, that she is making up the story, that they had a harmonious and consensual encounter, that she has a mental illness, and that she made her comments because she is hostile and bitter towards him.

If we get into what was told to the mods, its even crazier with the claims of being drugged, and the attempted kidnapping/attempted rape by a cult.

How come what she says is taken as fact but the same courtesy isn't extended to EL, has he actually lied to anyone here about his past acts?

 

[MechaX]

It’s just so weird

This woman decides to go on a road trip with Evilore...get drunk and stay in the same hotel room...he didn’t touch her once...

I think every guy would have made the same mistake he did

.... at no point ever, in my life, would I ever be like "let me slide in on her in the shower like this is a Cinemax movie" after she was fucking throwing up in the bathroom (and even, for the sake of argument, he didn't hear it or didn't know; the first thought should be "man, she's been in the bathroom for awhile and she's taking a shower?")

Like Jesus H Christ what is wrong with some of you people?!

 

[Symphonia]

How come what she says is taken as fact but the same courtesy isn't extended to EL, has he actually lied to anyone here about his past acts?

It’s a waste of time trying to reason with mumbles. I was all for backing this #believeher campaign, but there’s a load coming out with no proof and then go on to delete their posts when the post is questioned. I haven’t once ignored the fact that EviLore’s statement was, at best, piss poor. But mumbles is set on the path that the girl in question must be telling the truth, because she said it.

 

[numble]

It's a waste of time trying to reason with mumbles. I was all for backing this #believeher campaign, but there's a load coming out with no proof and then go on to delete their posts when the post is questioned. I haven't once ignored the fact that EviLore's statement was, at best, piss poor. But mumbles is set on the path that the girl in question must be telling the truth, because she said it.

What does "there's a load coming out with no proof and then go on to delete their posts when the post is questioned" mean?

I wasn't talking about his statement. I was talking about his claims about the encounter made to the press and to the mods.

Where did I say that the girl must be telling the truth? You just replied that the "best summary" of the situation is based on accounts from the girl and ignores every claim he made about the situation.

You actually claimed that the girl said something she did not say, and used that false assertion to make a claim about what happened.

 

[Symphonia]

You actually claimed that the girl said something she did not say, and used that false assertion to make a claim about what happened.

You made the claim he touched her. Where does it say - in any article - that he touched her? Find it for me.

 

[Dude Abides]

How come what she says is taken as fact but the same courtesy isn't extended to EL, has he actually lied to anyone here about his past acts?

Do you think he’s been in 1,000 fights?

 

[numble]

You made the claim he touched her. Where does it say - in any article - that he touched her? Find it for me.

I never made the claim. Disputing your claim is not the same as making the reverse claim.

He didn’t touch her.

At all.

She even stated that herself.

Where did she state that?

I asked for proof that she stated that herself. It does not mean that I am claiming that he touched her.

If you said "Trump stated himself that he hates black people", and I asked you to provide proof of that statement, it does not mean that I am claiming that "Trump loves black people".

 

[Royce McCutcheon]

.... at no point ever, in my life, would I ever be like "let me slide in on her in the shower like this is a Cinemax movie" after she was fucking throwing up in the bathroom (and even, for the sake of argument, he didn't hear it or didn't know; the first thought should be "man, she's been in the bathroom for awhile and she's taking a shower?")

Like Jesus H Christ what is wrong with some of you people?!

Or, he thought it was an invitation because she was in their for so long and they were both drunk. Everyone has the same critical thinking skills you have while drunk. A possibility perhaps.

 

[valkyre]

feels like there is no going back anymore. I cant remember the last time I refreshed 10 consecutive times the gaming section page and not a single new post was made.

Its all about tumbleweeds now.

 

[ape2man]

I don't know if the story is true or not, but if any mod is reading this, can I ask for a ban? I am not risking giving money to someone who might have sexually assaulted someone.

Thanks.

I think a lot of people have no idea what sexually assaulted actually means. What happend in the showers was 100% not sexual assault

 

[Two Words]

1. We are not directly supporting him. The ads pay him not us. But yes I guess you can call us indirectly supporting him.

2. What makes you think he should lose his right/ or ability or whatever to making a living from his business? If he closes down this forum and goes to flip burgers at a fast food chain should we call to boycott the store too? What he has done (what's known anyway) is no where near Harry Weinstein level.

3. You can't change people's mind.

I never said he was Weinstein level or that he has no right to earn a living.

We are assuming he knew the puking part.

They were drinking together and she left to go vomit. This is some serious mental gymnastics here

Y'all really think lore went "She's throwing up, now's my chance!" Ridiculous lol. It likely went

1. Drinking
2. Flirting
3. Imma go start the shower
4. Oh no I'm gonna throw up
5. Get your penis out of here I'm sick
6. How about last night huh

No need to "likely" anything. She explicitly says she was feeling sick and went to go throw up and decided to shower because of her throwing up. I don't need to change her story just because it makes Lore seem gross.

 

[Astral Dog]

But you do choose to support him financially.

i mean, why are YOU here?

 

[NintendoGal]

I wasn't going to post again, but fuck it, people say I need to stop being so sensitive to what others think of my thoughts. (I'll let my depression know this fact as soon as possible!)

Any of those on the other forum posting OR supporting the NFL, ESPECIALLY teams like the Pittsburgh Steelers are supporting basically what they're claiming this whole entire thing is about and MORE in some cases.

I know I go through much of my life with hypocrisy, but I'll be damned if I don't at least call it out when I see it used in such a holier than thou way.

 

[Symphonia]

i mean, why are YOU here?

Good luck on getting a straight answer on this one.

 

[Two Words]

i mean, why are YOU here?

Well, I was mainly waiting for my Reset Era account to get approved, but that happened yesterday. I was just looking at a few threads here and seeing how bad it has gotten here. I've been a poster here for several years, so I guess I'm just watching the ship completely sink in terms of post quality.

 

[Symphonia]

Well, I was mainly waiting for my Reset Era account to get approved, but that happened yesterday. I was just looking at a few threads here and seeing how bad it has gotten here. I've been a poster here for several years, so I guess I'm just watching the ship completely sink in terms of post quality.

You certainly help in ‘sinking’ the ship.

 

[Two Words]

You certainly help in ‘sinking’ the ship.

Nah, that's all on Evilore.

 

[AkumaNiko]

This thread proves there are 3 types left on gaf

People who would have been banned a month ago
People waiting for reset era approvals
A sexual predator

 

[Symphonia]

Nah, that's all on Evilore.

The only negativity I see is coming from you.

This thread proves there are 3 types left on gaf

People who would have been banned a month ago
People waiting for reset era approvals
A sexual predator

I know I’m not the latter, I’m not joining Reset Era, so why should I have been banned a month ago?

 

[AkumaNiko]

The only negativity I see is coming from you.


I know I’m not the latter, I’m not joining Reset Era, so why should I have been banned a month ago?

a lot of mods here had itchy trigger fingers, say one thing that remotely sounds against the narative around here, banned.

 

[Vicetrailia]

a lot of mods here had itchy trigger fingers, say one thing that remotely sounds against the narative around here, banned.

99% of the time that didn't happen unless you violated the site rules.

 

[AkumaNiko]

99% of the time that didn't happen unless you violated the site rules.

I dont know, i have seen some pretty questionable shadow bans

 

[Fujimori]

I dont know, i have seen some pretty questionable shadow bans

can you provide one?

 

[AkumaNiko]

can you provide one?

sorry I cant really do that since old OT was nuked

 

[Marty Chinn]

You made the claim he touched her. Where does it say - in any article - that he touched her? Find it for me.

Didn't you make a claim that he didn't touch her, but neither party has said such a claim? You can't say definitively if he did or did not touch her because nobody has stated it either way. Someone asking where's the proof that he definitely didn't touch her isn't the same thing as saying he definitely touched her.

 

[Symphonia]

Didn't you make a claim that he didn't touch her, but neither party has said such a claim? You can't say definitively if he did or did not touch her because nobody has stated it either way. Someone asking where's the proof that he definitely didn't touch her isn't the same thing as saying he definitely touched her.

So if you ask me to provide proof he didn’t touch her, I want you to provide proof that he did. We can only go by the statement that SHE made, in which she says he climbed in and out of the shower when she rejected him. It doesn’t state anywhere that he made any attempt to touch her. Honestly, it’s like you people WANT him to have assaulted her...

 

[Vicetrailia]

I dont know, i have seen some pretty questionable shadow bans

The norm was justifiable bans, but there will always be some outliers.

 

[SolidusDave]

This thread proves there are 3 types left on gaf

People waiting for reset era approvals

The problem is that this seems to become the only viable option. I love the resource of old threads here on the gaming side but I'm shocked with the output for the new Paris Sony event. Especially as you can compare the same threads on both forums. I did not expect the fallout from these allegations to be so drastic.

 

[Two Words]

The only negativity I see is coming from you.


I know I’m not the latter, I’m not joining Reset Era, so why should I have been banned a month ago?

Yeah, well you seem to see whatever you want to see.

 

[Marty Chinn]

So if you ask me to provide proof he didn't touch her, I want you to provide proof that he did. We can only go by the statement that SHE made, in which she says he climbed in and out of the shower when she rejected him. It doesn't state anywhere that he made any attempt to touch her. Honestly, it's like you people WANT him to have assaulted her...

No, they aren't the same. You can't say he didn't touch her when we don't know if he did or did not. Nothing either of them said makes a statement of either case being true. I don't have to prove that he did touch her because I'm not stating definitively that he did. You on the other hand are stating he definitely did not but neither person involved has made such a claim. Just because he climbed out of the shower when she rejected him doesn't mean he didn't touch her. I don't want anyone to be assaulted, but let's not make definitive claims about something neither person involved has even stated. How about we just state what is known rather than make up stuff is all I'm suggesting.

 

[WaterAstro]

So if you ask me to provide proof he didn’t touch her, I want you to provide proof that he did. We can only go by the statement that SHE made, in which she says he climbed in and out of the shower when she rejected him. It doesn’t state anywhere that he made any attempt to touch her. Honestly, it’s like you people WANT him to have assaulted her...

Honestly, the problem is the idea that the accuser can be the definitive evidence.

If the actual judicial system worked like that, the defendant would always be guilty.

 

[Symphonia]

Honestly, the problem is the idea that the accuser can be the definitive evidence.

If the actual judicial system worked like that, the defendant would always be guilty.

Something needs to change. False accusations (I’m not saying this instance is false) can put innocent men in prison and destroy lives.

 

[WaterAstro]

Something needs to change. False accusations (I’m not saying this instance is false) can put innocent men in prison and destroy lives.

That's what some gaffers said in that weird Naughty Dog accusation thread, and those gaffers were getting roasted. The other people say that sexual harassment should not be on the same level as being charged with false sexual harassment allegations. They're both not equivalent, but they are both wrong.

The solution is to not make judgement before all the evidence is present, but people like to take justice in their own hands. They like to judge based on their anger instead of reason, so there's no way around these kinds of people.

I don't know the truth whether Evilore did something wrong or if Leupp is lying. My stance is to not make judgement before we know enough to make a conviction. The only thing I'm fighting against is the use of social media to raise a "passionate" army on their side to do their bidding whether the cause is real or a lie. It's only a matter of time until this gets out of hand.

In the meantime, the people who left because of this drama and care about sexual harassment, I wonder how many of them play Activision Blizzard games. The CEO is a CONVICTED sexual harasser, yet, I bet a lot of those people are still going to support Activision Blizzard games.

 

[Symphonia]

That's what some gaffers said in that weird Naughty Dog accusation thread, and those gaffers were getting roasted. The other people say that sexual harassment should not be on the same level as being charged with false sexual harassment allegations. They're both not equivalent, but they are both wrong.

The solution is to not make judgement before all the evidence is present, but people like to take justice in their own hands. They like to judge based on their anger instead of reason, so there's no way around these kinds of people.

I don't know the truth whether Evilore did something wrong or if Leupp is lying. My stance is to not make judgement before we know enough to make a conviction. The only thing I'm fighting against is the use of social media to raise a "passionate" army on their side to do their bidding whether the cause is real or a lie. It's only a matter of time until this gets out of hand.

In the meantime, the people who left because of this drama and care about sexual harassment, I wonder how many of them play Activision Blizzard games. The CEO is a CONVICTED sexual harasser, yet, I bet a lot of those people are still going to support Activision Blizzard games.

I’ve taken the same stance as you, I’m not saying either party is guilty or not before we have all the evidence. Unfortunately, though, I think we’ve seen all we’ll see where this case is concerned. That might be enough for some members to make a judgement call, but not for me. Innocent until proven guilty, as they say. Though NeoGAF seems to have that backwards, and believes it’s guilty until proven innocent.

As for your last paragraph, and extending upon it, I wonder how many members are still happy to eat at Subway, despite knowing the face of the chain is a convicted pedophile? They refuse to post on here because it apparently lines the pockets of someone who handled a situation poorly, but are happy to pay money towards a company who hired a kiddy fiddler - and knew about it. They’re just hypocrites. All of them. It’s laughable.

 

[Dude Abides]

I’ve taken the same stance as you, I’m not saying either party is guilty or not before we have all the evidence. Unfortunately, though, I think we’ve seen all we’ll see where this case is concerned. That might be enough for some members to make a judgement call, but not for me. Innocent until proven guilty, as they say. Though NeoGAF seems to have that backwards, and believes it’s guilty until proven innocent.

As for your last paragraph, and extending upon it, I wonder how many members are still happy to eat at Subway, despite knowing the face of the chain is a convicted pedophile? They refuse to post on here because it apparently lines the pockets of someone who handled a situation poorly, but are happy to pay money towards a company who hired a kiddy fiddler - and knew about it. They’re just hypocrites. All of them. It’s laughable.

This is probably the dumbest thing I'll read all week. Subway cut ties with Fogle after he was accused (not convicted). Why don't you send them an angry email about innocent until proven guilty? Why don't you go yell at Obama for having Bin Laden killed when he hadn't been proven guilty? While you're at it go scream at everyone who says OJ did it

 

[WaterAstro]

I've taken the same stance as you, I'm not saying either party is guilty or not before we have all the evidence. Unfortunately, though, I think we've seen all we'll see where this case is concerned. That might be enough for some members to make a judgement call, but not for me. Innocent until proven guilty, as they say. Though NeoGAF seems to have that backwards, and believes it's guilty until proven innocent.

As for your last paragraph, and extending upon it, I wonder how many members are still happy to eat at Subway, despite knowing the face of the chain is a convicted pedophile? They refuse to post on here because it apparently lines the pockets of someone who handled a situation poorly, but are happy to pay money towards a company who hired a kiddy fiddler - and knew about it. They're just hypocrites. All of them. It's laughable.

A lot of people would accuse us of supporting sexual harassers if we don't take an immediate stance. I think the internet community doesn't care about responsibility, so they can accuse people of anything and can get away with it.

I think the difference between Jared and Bobby Kotick is that Jared is no longer with subway. Kotick is still the CEO of Activision Blizzard, and his sexual harassment lawsuit was actually settled with a lot of money, so gamers are actually supporting Kotick's future sexual harassment settlements by buying his games lol.

 

[Joe T.]

In the meantime, the people who left because of this drama and care about sexual harassment, I wonder how many of them play Activision Blizzard games. The CEO is a CONVICTED sexual harasser, yet, I bet a lot of those people are still going to support Activision Blizzard games.

Sad, but true. None of them would have a leg to stand on if you applied logic to their case. What a world we live in.