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And shadowbans like on Reddit? They are a thing aswell, unless one can tell me where this user got banned for. This isnt new though: My very first ban was also done this way, so outside of a post, but more random and for ''general behavior''. Seems like that is the case here aswell. Atleast more members are starting to see through The Names, as evidenced here, and here (Which, very peculiar, is not ''actioned'' yet).
Lol, I was banned for this. No biggie, but calling me an apparent misogynist is what pisses me off.
 
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Lol, I was banned for this. No biggie, but calling me an apparent misogynist is what pisses me off.

Maybe you are a misogynist and you just don't realize it but Era is the only one able to pick up on it? They can spot'em from a mile away.

Just messing with you ;). That is a funny/ridiculous ban.
 
I do not see anything in that post which would justify the label, "history of misogyny". SMH.
Oh that's easy, it's because before Kingdom Come: Deliverance was released, there was a thread where it was revealed that there was an achievement/trophy for beating the game without having sex. So due to the game's primary focus on realism, I made a post wondering if certain women would be easier to romance depending on their in-game social status. I know, I'm a monster.


Maybe you are a misogynist and you just don't realize it but Era is the only one able to pick up on it? They can spot'em from a mile away.

Just messing with you ;). That is a funny/ridiculous ban.
Maybe you're right. I need to go thank the Mods for helping me find myself :P
 
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Oh that's easy, it's because before Kingdom Come: Deliverance was released, there was a thread where it was revealed that there was an achievement/trophy for beating the game without having sex. So due to the game's primary focus on realism, I made a post wondering if certain women would be easier to romance depending on their in-game social status. I know, I'm a monster.



Maybe you're right. I need to go thank the Mods for helping me find myself :p

See (y):D
 
Oh that's easy, it's because before Kingdom Come: Deliverance was released, there was a thread where it was revealed that there was an achievement/trophy for beating the game without having sex. So due to the game's primary focus on realism, I made a post wondering if certain women would be easier to romance depending on their in-game social status. I know, I'm a monster.

Well I be. You sir, should be ashamed for being... human.

Yet these very same people, will run with the narrative that certain social statuses in society, will have an impact on a person with how they function, react, or wether they are receptive to certain information/persuasion. Even go as far as call those who are committing criminal activity, victims of their social construct. Ironic, eh?
 
The funniest part about the follow up to that, is that so many then twisted his words into him asking to be permanently banned.
Nothing like a stealth ban reason change can accomplish. I wish they were atleast upfront about that.

Lol, I was banned for this. No biggie, but calling me an apparent misogynist is what pisses me off.
Haha lol, i saw that post, but it already stated you were banned (And this was not flagged as the reason why). Hence why i thought it was a shadowban. I guess they added that reason in later when The Names found a post that they were like: ''Yeah, this one might cover my reason just nicely.''

Odd reason though for a permban (On top of it that such a comment is worth a perm). If they wanted to give out a proper reason, they should have given it for offtopic mod complaining and derailing. That would have made atleast sense. This? Not so much.*

*And that's not even talking that users make these posts about the moderation simply because
  • Threads talking about it get closed with the advice to ''discuss this via PM'' (Aka so nobody else can criticize us aswell)
  • Obviously people tried PMing the staff and all they got were boilerplate statements or worse a ban themselves for daring to PM them. This bit is hard to source since its PM based, but i hope one day there will be some (redacted, obviously! Don't wanna witch hunt here) stuff that would provide evidence for this theory.
 
Looks like they permabanned me.

"You have been banned for the following reason: History of abusing the report system to troll and/or insult the staff, including a prior ban for this same reason. It's clear that you're not happy here and that a separation is best for all involved."

For the record, I never "trolled or insulted" the staff aside from saying I didn't agree with the moderation. I did use some of their buzz phrases in some reports I guess, e.g. "history of similar behavior", guess they're thin skinned and took that as trolling.

W/e their loss. They're short on sane users and they just lost another one.
 
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I think with the lack of topics here in recent months it would be beneficial to start "membering" a lot of the noobs here a little more quickly.

As soon as activity picks up here I think you will see a lot of people migrating back here to escape the hivemind modding that seems to be mounting of the other forum.

I just don't get why everytime any forum gets in a position of remote power things become mismanaged so badly and the moderation teams go into tyrant mode, but I kind of understand where Evillore is coming from here in that moderators may tend to go rogue to perpetuate their own agenda. The state of Gaf's moderation was absolutely disgusting before the exodus but now it seems like Era is falling into the exact same trap.
 
Reset users are now donning Antifa avatars. I'm trying to avoid the cliche about the left and communism, but this one is just blatant.

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And the post it's attached to

I'm not quite sure you understand Free speech.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/r-...nstantly-revive-it.55190/page-3#post-10357352

Yeah.........
 
ah ok, just wondering cause it wasn't showing up at first on any post.
They CAN ban without marking a post. I believe that's what they did to me (ban mentioned a few posts up). You can get banned for reporting too many posts apparently. Don't even need to be making posts. thisisera.gif
 
They CAN ban without marking a post. I believe that's what they did to me (ban mentioned a few posts up). You can get banned for reporting too many posts apparently. Don't even need to be making posts. thisisera.gif

They would NEVER do that, that would fly in the face of TRANSPARENCY!

I am appalled.

*clutches pearls*
 
Uh yeah... if anyone actually wants to post there, don't report anything or you'll end up banned, and once you are banned once they will start to stalk your posts and look for excuses to ban you for faux reasons. Don't dare protest at that point or you'll wind up permed.

I've been a member there since the beginning and the modding has been getting worse and worse (it actually started good), but it was until very recently that I noticed people getting banned for little to no reason at all. I don't even want to post there at this point because I know I'll just end up one of them as soon as a mod is having a bad day.
 
Uh yeah... if anyone actually wants to post there, don't report anything or you'll end up banned, and once you are banned once they will start to stalk your posts and look for excuses to ban you for faux reasons. Don't dare protest at that point or you'll wind up permed.

I've been a member there since the beginning and the modding has been getting worse and worse (it actually started good), but it was until very recently that I noticed people getting banned for little to no reason at all. I don't even want to post there at this point because I know I'll just end up one of them as soon as a mod is having a bad day.
Yeah I've had some PM exchanges with mods in the past and other "sane" members recently. I have no concrete proof of this, but it definitely seems that reporting posts can put a target on your back if the posts you report are the 'wrong' kind of posts.

Being permed from there is no real loss. But I'll have my lurking popcorn ready for the midterm elections. They'll be losing their minds.
 
Yeah I've had some PM exchanges with mods in the past and other "sane" members recently. I have no concrete proof of this, but it definitely seems that reporting posts can put a target on your back if the posts you report are the 'wrong' kind of posts.

Being permed from there is no real loss. But I'll have my lurking popcorn ready for the midterm elections. They'll be losing their minds.
I usually had no issues with reports, except that a lot of posts that i did report and i knew that were 100% against the rules got no action whatsoever. They put that Show Some Effort clause in the rules for a reason and the only thing that actively did upset me is how so many users ignored that and reports on it were annulled. And that is including the ''unofficial'' rule that Etcetera has a little bit more leeway in the kind of strictness on OP's.

And yes, you definitely get a mark if you make posts that stick out in the hayfield. Like OldGAF they have a memory and just wait for a post to perm you over. You can even get permed offsite when you talk privately on their Discord (See Inferno).

Offtopic, but already saw a few new posts that definitely made me go eh on them. Ofcourse its from The Little Helpers. More perhaps to come.

I get a chuckle too every time I see that avatar post. =))))
Its really apt and i like Jordan's sense of humor :)

Nice meme.
I was referring to so many people here salivating over the idea of ERA imploding or something. Bit weird is all.
I rather want ERA to stay, but i wish The Names and their Little Helpers get ousted. They are the reason why people are so negative (and for good reason). Its just sad that this negativity is so immense at this point that any positive aspect is nullified by them.
 
The only posts I ever reported were ones that were calling for violence, usually against Republicans. I can ignore most of the unhinged antics that go on, but I think calls for violence cross a line. At first they would quickly issue warnings/bans. Closer to when I closed my account they seemed to mostly be ignoring them, especially if they came from some of the more "popular" posters.
 
I usually had no issues with reports, except that a lot of posts that i did report and i knew that were 100% against the rules got no action whatsoever. They put that Show Some Effort clause in the rules for a reason and the only thing that actively did upset me is how so many users ignored that and reports on it were annulled. And that is including the ''unofficial'' rule that Etcetera has a little bit more leeway in the kind of strictness on OP's.

And yes, you definitely get a mark if you make posts that stick out in the hayfield. Like OldGAF they have a memory and just wait for a post to perm you over. You can even get permed offsite when you talk privately on their Discord (See Inferno).

Offtopic, but already saw a few new posts that definitely made me go eh on them. Ofcourse its from The Little Helpers. More perhaps to come.

That is some insecurity right there, lol.

Edit: Found one!
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Stole this from Kiwi, but you want to see beautiful (sexist) hypocrisy on display over at RE.

ResetEra takes a break from complaining about how talking to female gamedevs is harassment, to harass Tim Soret: https://www.resetera.com/threads/th...ture-filtering-anti-aliasing-pixel-art.55146/ (https://archive.fo/UugQD)

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/neogaf-resetera.9636/page-375#post-3558480

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And everyone's favorite...

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SMH.

Wonder if he would say, "Well said." if that was about Price and that exact sentence was used but ended with, "no matter the gender of said person."?

Magic 8-Ball says, "Fuck nah yo!"
 
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So, why do we need/want those people back on new GAF? They deserve where they are, they got a chance to start clean and they blew it.
 
So, why do we need/want those people back on new GAF? They deserve where they are, they got a chance to start clean and they blew it.
We don't want THOSE people back. We want the silent majority back that only went over there for the community threads and so on.
 
We don't want THOSE people back. We want the silent majority back that only went over there for the community threads and so on.

I came back as soon as I saw them break the initial "promise", and start up with the bullshit they were pulling here the past 4+ years, and in a lot of cases it is becoming worse.

This forum is a breath of fresh air now. The staff/mods here are actually delivering on the very (now false) promises RE posted they were going to do. Ironic to say the least.
 
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We don't want THOSE people back. We want the silent majority back that only went over there for the community threads and so on.

Yep, the cancer can stay over there and have their little miserable existence of an echo chamber. The good folks who don't destroy every board they touch should be able come back. Eventually more and more will start getting tired of all the bullcrap.
 
This is FUCKING insane...I have never seen so many fragile staff/moderators before. How some of these people survive in the real world is beyond me.



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Seems The Arenanet thread has stormed down a bit, but ofcourse, the Master Baiter has something still to say to this. She loves summaries as much as i do, so lets atleast give her that, right?
''Since this thread appears to have largely died down, I figured I would throw in my last two cents. This is easily the most contentious thread I've been involved with since joining ERA and it has taken quite a few twists and turns. I made a variety of very long posts because I had too much time on my hands and I wanted to link back to them to summarize my full argument, as well as for ease of convenience for the lowlives on at least four different websites who are currently trying to document this thread and my actions in it. In summary:''
Atleast she can't claim that i won't provide the bigger picture for her here. But my onus is with her ''argument'':
I feel this basically sums up my argument: women are constantly condescended to, talked down to, and made to feel as though they don't know what they're talking about. Price reacted angrily and insultingly but in a manner that has more contextual nuance than most people are willing to acknowledge. Additionally, social media policies need to be more specific and describe the expectation for the individual's social media presence; people in the entertainment industry have a different relationship to fans and social media than other customer support personnel, and this should be taken into account when drafting and enforcing a policy. Finally, regardless of whether you believe she deserved to be punished or to what extent, the fact that the company immediately terminated her and her coworker who clearly did nothing wrong, without any disciplinary process, exposes both that companies are willing to bend to online hate mobs as long as they're paying customers and that US labor laws are a travesty that offers workers no protections whatsoever.
Alright boo, lets address your argument. And lets just keep ourselves to the things that are bolded, shall we?
  • ''Women are constantly condescended to'': This has exactly nothing to do with Price being fired. Price provided a (reasonable) rant, and got (reasonable) feedback back, only for her to react (not reasonable) to Deroir. That's it. That others are bringing in secondary issues, like her history regarding this, for me, thats irrelevant. I judge her upon her original story, the feedback by Deroir, and her reaction afterwards to Deroir. You can bring in as much secondary commentary about it all you want, the simple fact of this encapsulated bit is that she reacted completely inappropiate and through her original story, she did so as a developer, not as a consumer. The whole ''women are constantly condescended to'' is in this case just shifting the core discussion away to include gender issues. This is textbook bad faith posting 101.
  • ''Price reacted angrily'': Atleast you agree that she reacted insultingly, but more over, she reacted in an overreacted manner. There is absolutely zero reason to flip out at the kind of feedback Deroir gave to Price. Absolutely zero. If that kind of feedback is already problematic, than people might as well stop providing it. Lets also stop survey's in general because clearly giving this kind of feedback publically is completely out of line.. smh.
  • ''But in a manner that has more contextual nuance'': Gurl what nuance? Like i said i only look at the conversation itself and i refrain from adding in history/prior altercations since that only clouds judgements. What i see is a nice rant, nice feedback, and a completely inappropiate backlash by Price. You tell me where i should find nuance for her backlash. Hint: You won't find any. That argument is just a BS excuse to justify the kind of trash talk Price was doing.
  • ''Social media policies need to be more specific'': Why should they? Do you really want famous people/industry people be presented with a different rulebook and expection set than everyone else? Because that sounds awfully like The Names's policy on ERA, really. The fact Price used her Twitter like a private outlet is where it goes wrong: Twitter has always been a public conversation space, so, we need to tell people this in a policy now when its common sense? Well, clearly not for Price, since she reacted so inappropiately. But who'se problem is that, really? Twitter's, when they are a public space from day 1? Or... maybe its on Price, for using a public space as a private outlet and completely overreacting to completely harmless feedback? Hmmm... nah, we have to go deeper,, there is more contextual nuance, right? I am all for nuance, but the conversation (Not her history, not all the other details that are thrown in and which i condemn) is a clear cut case: Price reacted wildly inappropiate, talked as a developer of Arenanet when doing her (nice) rant, and as a result of her inappropiate behavior, she (rightfully) gets axed. Because she was clearly speaking as a developer/employee of Arenanet. This isn't next level rocket science, but as clear as a fact as it i can be.
  • ''People in the entertainment industry have a different relationship to fans and social media'': Oh, i am aware. They think that Twitter is a private safe space where you can just say whatever. sigh. Now, Twitter does suffer from incredibly damning and disgusting commentary that most of its users get away with and i feel this is where Twitter should take action. But this isn't nothing new. This is a thing on Twitter for years. But instead of working actively with Twitter (Both this user and Price) to get these kinds of hate commentary get filtered out, both do nothing but complain: The aforementioned ''Bark Bark Bark''. This user literally became what she mockingly was posting in bad faith prior.
  • ''The fact that the company immediately terminated her and her coworker who clearly did nothing wrong,'': Her co-worker Fries considered Twitter to be private aswell and stuck up for her. Granted, i agree that Fries should not have been fired for having a naive opinion or stucking up for her. He is, what people like to say, ''collateral damage''. But, again, most of the topic is not focused on him, when (arguably) he is the bigger wrong that has to be righted. But why isn't that happening on ERA? Why aren't they writing letters of support to Fries or Arenanet to hire him back? I mean, ERA users clearly had no issue getting a Subnautica dev fired, so its not like they are inexprienced in this matter, right? Or maybe....... its because he is a man? <- You see what this searching and reaching for alternative straws' narrative causes? Because aruging this is as equally moronic as claiming that Price was fired because of her gender. Hence why any reasonable person does not do this.
  • ''Exposes both that companies are willing to bend to online hate mobs'': Well, you might have a point here considering people will inevitably bring additional dirt in that escalates the situation (or the sources damn themselves further) but lets not forget that this same ERA was quick to point to ''online hate mobs'' as the cause and reason a transgender game developer self immolated, despite having context in the OP and despite the developer wanting the discussion to be about the lack of proper mental health facilities in the US. Where were you, Master Baiter? Oh that's right, you didn't participate in that thread.
  • '' And that US labor laws are a travesty'': Again like the first point, what has that to do with this? Oh, i see what you try to mean here - You mean the pressures of gaming development in general. Well, as much as it has something to do with Price's conversation (Hint: Exactly none) there is a case to argue on a more broader scale when it comes to game development. It is hell, for many people. I am always reminded by the story behind the game Brigador, a indie game with destruction. Well worth a read, if you ask me.
Ofcourse, a Master Baiter wouldn't be called a master of her craft if it didn't had an appropiate baiting/trolling ending. so ''Thank you for your time and have a barkin' evening, everyone.''

But wait, ''So where are all those jerks from the first few pages saying this has nothing to do with gamer gate and that it wouldn't embolden gators at all? Because by now they've been proven wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt.'' Oh, so you mean similar to how a certain Kat hasn't showed up ever since her argument got countered accordingly? Yeah... Totally just posting in good faith here folks. Don't report me.

Because really, ''Please do not call transmen "Women with a male identity". That is incredibly insulting. Trans men are men.'', despite that he didn't actually say that anyway, as he said: ''a woman playing a woman with a male identity would be an ethically valid performance.'' <- This isn't about transmen. He was making a general remark, albeit a little hidden and vague. So rightfully, ''I didn't say that, and it's very disappointing that you'd paraphrase what I said with something offensive, and then get up on a high horse and try to shame me for it. I said "a trans man is born with a traditionally female body, but doesn't feel so internally". I'm sure you can teach me how to split hairs more effectively than "traditionally female body", so next time explain politely instead of rushing out with combative dialogue.'' But obviously, its far easier to just read something negative in this than assume the poster in question is operating with good intent. Hell, he even admits this himself when he says: ''I was referring to what Scarlet Johansen would be doing in her performance. She would be a woman with a woman's form emulating a male identity. That's what I meant when I wrote it anyway, though I can understand how it would be read the other way. I don't know why these discussions have to be so toxic. I think it's a losing way to engage in dialogue. But you do you...'' But no worries Kat, he got what you wanted out of it: A week ban because of ''Transphobia''. Because its somehow his problem that neither you, The Little Helper or The Names either have troubles reading a post correct or assuming he is posting that with malicious intent. But let another Little Helper just selectively quote his stuff and make a passing negative remark, i am sure that is totally appropiate and conversing in good faith. :)

So, why do we need/want those people back on new GAF? They deserve where they are, they got a chance to start clean and they blew it.
Careful now, or ill have to report you for ''transphobia/misogny/inflammatory remarks. History of prior behavior. Account still in the junior phase.'' ;)
 
This is FUCKING insane...I have never seen so many fragile staff/moderators before. How some of these people survive in the real world is beyond me.



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Got to love how they tell you what you can and cannot talk about, and like I mentioned before, they want to control the narrative from the get-go, lol.

A "hate movement" had nothing to do with that woman's toxic behavior and release. It was her hate that caused it, nothing more. Propagandists at work, taught well from their Uni's.
 
Got to love how they tell you what you can and cannot talk about, and like I mentioned before, they want to control the narrative from the get-go, lol.

A "hate movement" had nothing to do with that woman's toxic behavior and release. It was her hate that caused it, nothing more. Propagandists at work, taught well from their Uni's.

It's honestly baffling. If you had posted that over at their forums, you'd be banned within minutes.

Open conversation is non existent over there and the second they disagree with you, it's an automatic ban...even if your post was polite and logical. For anyone reading this from ResetEra...is this what you guys REALLY want?
 
It's honestly baffling. If you had posted that over at their forums, you'd be banned within minutes.

Open conversation is non existent over there and the second they disagree with you, it's an automatic ban...even if your post was polite and logical. For anyone reading this from ResetEra...is this what you guys REALLY want?

If you cannot critique or provide an opposing viewpoint/perspective, then what conversation can really be had other than a circle jerk?

That thread serves absolutely zero purpose to exist, other than to smell their own farts.
 
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Damn, Kumkuat's ban reason.

"Victim Blaming" Really? Really, guys? When she was the victim there?

She identifies as a woman, therefore, by default to their warped logic, she is a forever victim. "Victims" do not need to be held accountable for their unreasonable and/or unethical actions.

They need to adhere to this quote more, than their false altruism delusions.

"You are personally responsible for becoming more ethical than the society you grew up in."

Eliezer Yudkowsky
 
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"accusing journalist of false reporting".

Are journalists a protected class over there? =)))))
Also this. Journalists are not gods, they are just people with opinions. I know that some mods over there are connected with journalists (some are even suing people who criticised their articles) but that doesn't make your word gospel.
 
It's honestly baffling. If you had posted that over at their forums, you'd be banned within minutes.

Open conversation is non existent over there and the second they disagree with you, it's an automatic ban...even if your post was polite and logical. For anyone reading this from ResetEra...is this what you guys REALLY want?
What they want is that through their aggressive hot takes, baitings and bannings minorities like transgender people get acceptance in society. When it should be obvious that this is not how the world works. You need to be vocal, explanative, understanding. Not react like: ''It's much the same as women having to explain the same issue over and over again to men, PoC to white people, trans people to cis people, etc. You tend to get frustrated and exhausted. Especially when there's literally a trans 101 thread somewhere on this board, and also google searches take very little time.'' It should not be that such a small minority like most of The Names rules over such a big majority like that. But, if you allow me to be cynical, i reckon that, because they are such a small minority and have little decisive power either online or IRL that a site like ERA is a dream come true for them. They can enforce their own policy and excercise vast amounts of influence, all whilst not realizing that this kind of behavior actually makes trans acceptance less of a chance to be understood and accepted by the majority.
Damn, Kumkuat's ban reason.

"Victim Blaming" Really? Really, guys? When she was the victim there?
People pull in her history to make an argument that she was problematic before. I understand why that's done but all that does is give The Names these kinds of reasonings. In their minds, the fact that people bring up other, contributory causes is what equates it to victim blaming. But even if you just say that she was wrong in that convo you still get axed as that's ''mansplaining/making it about gender''. The irony of that is that the people who say this are the people who make it about gender in the first place. That she got fired because she is a woman.. like no people, she got fired because she reacted inappropiately to reasonable feedback on a reasonable rant, spoken as a developer, not a consumer.

Everything else is just baiting, projection and protection of the fragilty of their arguments. Hence why The Names and their Little Helpers bait and ban so many. You aren't supposed to react with common sense, that's the whole modus (mods) operandi on The Names at ERA.
 
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What do you guys mean by The Names? I don't get that reference xD
Its just my umbrella term (along with The Little Helpers) to denote those moderators and users that actively partake into enforcing the policy and the bans that are on ERA. I use this term specifically to seperate it from the moderators and members that do ERA a lot of good, That way, when i speak of The Names, i am not referring to all of ERA (as i still get occasionally accussed of), but just the little group of moderators and members that ruin it for the majority of other moderators/members out there. I am sure you know some of them. ;)
 
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Its just my umbrella term (along with The Little Helpers) to denote those moderators and users that actively partake into enforcing the policy and the bans that are on ERA. I use this term specifically to seperate it from the moderators and members that do ERA a lot of good, That way, when i speak of The Names, i am not referring to all of ERA (as i still get occasionally accussed of), but just the little group of moderators and members ruin it for the majority of other moderators/members out there. I am sure you know some of them. ;)
Lol, that I do.
 
This is FUCKING insane...I have never seen so many fragile staff/moderators before. How some of these people survive in the real world is beyond me.



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What the hell is this?

Eight members already banished just from that thread?

I'm not downplaying or flaming, but who in the hell banished eight members? Including forcing the last confirmed to suicide his account?

This is why NeoGaf is better than Resetera - sooner or later they'll learn that this site is the only safe place.

ps. Oh my god, I think I might have used a swear word. I will never swear again - I don't like having to swear, as this is out of character for me.
 
When you have that many bans (and in one freaking thread at that, like seriously, wtf?), there's something major wrong with you and your site (you're freaking insane), not the posters (who always somehow manage to be these super duper secret monsters that Reset can only spot).

These fuckers really have hit lists on their own posters, don't they. Straight up bizarre and shows just how unhinged they are.
 
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