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This thread is a treasure, it has it all: https://www.resetera.com/threads/eras-woman-problem-read-op.57534/

Apparently the safe space isn't safe enough for some people's liking. Then there are a ton of people praising the mods as being fair and 'central' with bans being well thought out.

And that grain of truth in the OP about how the some of the white knights there like to trot out minorities to exploit them in order to bludgeon some opponent in an argument (with that being the focus more than actually giving a shit about the minorities in question).

The consensus seems to be building in the thread that the issue with Era that needs to be fixed, is that the moderation is not strict/harsh enough. Yes! That's it. THAT'S the problem! That's the ONLY problem!! -_-
This little gem from Hoo-Doo is some of the purest irony I've ever seen.

"Some people genuinely don't have the brain cells to rub together to realize how their behavior is a goddamn problem"
 
This thread is a treasure, it has it all: https://www.resetera.com/threads/eras-woman-problem-read-op.57534/

Apparently the safe space isn't safe enough for some people's liking. Then there are a ton of people praising the mods as being fair and 'central' with bans being well thought out.

And that grain of truth in the OP about how the some of the white knights there like to trot out minorities to exploit them in order to bludgeon some opponent in an argument (with that being the focus more than actually giving a shit about the minorities in question).

The consensus seems to be building in the thread that the issue with Era that needs to be fixed, is that the moderation is not strict/harsh enough. Yes! That's it. THAT'S the problem! That's the ONLY problem!! -_-
Damn. They even banned Yoshi on page 37 for actually trying to have a discussion.

"User Banned (Duration Pending): Ignoring mod post, thread derailment. Consistent pedantry on issues surrounding minorities."
 
This is the bio I found on her

"Persephone aka pashmilla (GAF username) aka feministfuhrer is that obnoxious "asexual" tumblr landwhale. Thankfully It's not going to produce any offspring / will eat itself to a heart attack anyway"
Sorry, but posting shit like this is going to keep people away from here.

If you have an issue with someone's argument then come up with a valid argument of your own to counter with. Attacking the person based on their looks and sexuality is proving their point.

This is the sort of shit that is going to keep people away from this forum and I don't care if you quoted it from another forum it's obvious you agree with it.

I can understand this thread existing to discuss ideological frustrations with other communities but if it's going to be specifically talking shit about and insulting people who aren't on this forum I don't want any part of it.

While I don't always agree with everything Persephone might say it's obvious from shit like this that she has a valid point worth listening to, and that is coming from someone who thinks that thread is kind of scary.

The reason I like coming here is the promise of constructive dialogue and argument that Reset doesn't offer. If we're going to just hurl insults I don't think this place is for me.
 
Sorry, but posting shit like this is going to keep people away from here.

If you have an issue with someone's argument then come up with a valid argument of your own to counter with. Attacking the person based on their looks and sexuality is proving their point.

This is the sort of shit that is going to keep people away from this forum and I don't care if you quoted it from another forum it's obvious you agree with it.

I can understand this thread existing to discuss ideological frustrations with other communities but if it's going to be specifically talking shit about and insulting people who aren't on this forum I don't want any part of it.

While I don't always agree with everything Persephone might say it's obvious from shit like this that she has a valid point worth listening to, and that is coming from someone who thinks that thread is kind of scary.

The reason I like coming here is the promise of constructive dialogue and argument that Reset doesn't offer. If we're going to just hurl insults I don't think this place is for me.
Persephone definitely doesn't have a valid point worth listening to. It's just that the behavior you responded to above is also not appropriate. Some morons on kiwifarms or /v/ don't vindicate her complaints that *ERA* of all places is some kind of unprogressive hellhole that's overtly hostile to women/minorities. Her entire premise is ridiculous.

But I definitely agree that the post you quoted is a bad post, and it's also against the guidelines in the topic title/OP. A mod did come in to voice an informal warning. Should it have been harsher? Maybe maybe not.
 
Damn. They even banned Yoshi on page 37 for actually trying to have a discussion.

"User Banned (Duration Pending): Ignoring mod post, thread derailment. Consistent pedantry on issues surrounding minorities."

That ban made me laugh so hard. It's incredible..

Every bit of nuance is out of the window in this place. They are pissin in their own face and not even realizing it. It's just hilarious.
 
The forum was already circling the drain, but that thread is a nice cherry on top for sure. It's absolutely unreal how completely out of touch with reality so many posters there are. Their days are numbered. The place will tear itself apart, even without a phony #metoo scandal to grease the skids.

They may limp along for a year or more before they destroy themselves, but the midterms could accelerate the process if they don't deliver the 'correct' result. Era better hope no Democratic strategists browse Era for campaign tips. The Republicans will get a filibuster proof supermajority.

It's hard to say honestly. The one thing Era has going for it is there aren't many good gaming forums anymore. The big site forums are poorly moderated and full of kids and fanboys. Reddit sucks for discussion, most gaming subs are just news aggregators and people fishing for karma, console-specific subs are fanboy hellholes etc. This place is still slow as hell.

The politics stuff on Era is terrible, but I think most posters just stay out of it and stay for the gaming news, great gaming OTs etc. that used to be over here. The politics and moderation were just as bad here for years and it didn't go down until the "scandal" that generated enough unrest for them to successfully get people to migrate in huge numbers. It will probably take something like that to cause the same to happen over there as all the political and moderation is moot for the average member who stays out of those thread and is just there for the game news, Game OTs, Game and OT Community threads etc.

For this site to continue rebuilding it's going to take getting more news threads posted, making sure there are good OTs for most major/semi-major releases going forward etc. I'll try to chip in by posting some news threads here and there, game OTs aren't my forte though with the expectation for the amount of info, images etc. for a good OT. Maybe the staff here should start posting OTs for a while to help drum up traffic.
 
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For this site to continue rebuilding it's going to take getting more news threads posted, making sure there are good OTs for most major/semi-major releases going forward etc. I'll try to chip in by posting some news threads here and there, game OTs aren't my forte though with the expectation for the amount of info, images etc. for a good OT. Maybe the staff here should start posting OTs for a while to help drum up traffic.
I hear ya. I unfortunately can't/don't help a ton in those areas. I'm not as "plugged in" to the gaming stuff as I used to be, and I don't play games enough these days to get REALLY active in OTs and stuff. Most of my gaf/era time is quick pop-ins while I'm at work. We'll see how things go.
 
I hear ya. I unfortunately can't/don't help a ton in those areas. I'm not as "plugged in" to the gaming stuff as I used to be, and I don't play games enough these days to get REALLY active in OTs and stuff. Most of my gaf/era time is quick pop-ins while I'm at work. We'll see how things go.

No worries. Like I said, I don't have the time to make OTs so I have no room to talk. I'll try to share news I think worthy when I read it elsewhere and there's not thread here though.
 
Sorry, but posting shit like this is going to keep people away from here.

If you have an issue with someone's argument then come up with a valid argument of your own to counter with. Attacking the person based on their looks and sexuality is proving their point.

This is the sort of shit that is going to keep people away from this forum and I don't care if you quoted it from another forum it's obvious you agree with it.

I can understand this thread existing to discuss ideological frustrations with other communities but if it's going to be specifically talking shit about and insulting people who aren't on this forum I don't want any part of it.

While I don't always agree with everything Persephone might say it's obvious from shit like this that she has a valid point worth listening to, and that is coming from someone who thinks that thread is kind of scary.

The reason I like coming here is the promise of constructive dialogue and argument that Reset doesn't offer. If we're going to just hurl insults I don't think this place is for me.

Hurling insults is not tolerated here and as such had already been addressed before this post.
 
Sorry, but posting shit like this is going to keep people away from here.

If you have an issue with someone's argument then come up with a valid argument of your own to counter with. Attacking the person based on their looks and sexuality is proving their point.

This is the sort of shit that is going to keep people away from this forum and I don't care if you quoted it from another forum it's obvious you agree with it.

I can understand this thread existing to discuss ideological frustrations with other communities but if it's going to be specifically talking shit about and insulting people who aren't on this forum I don't want any part of it.

While I don't always agree with everything Persephone might say it's obvious from shit like this that she has a valid point worth listening to, and that is coming from someone who thinks that thread is kind of scary.

The reason I like coming here is the promise of constructive dialogue and argument that Reset doesn't offer. If we're going to just hurl insults I don't think this place is for me.

And they were dealt with by a mod almost instantly. A small handful of troublemakers does not a trend make. Of the couple thousand that frequent GAF these days, I doubt the 10 or 15 trouble makers are what is causing people from coming to the site. The only reason they would is if they were trying to find reasons to not come in the first place.

It's hard to say honestly. The one thing Era has going for it is there aren't many good gaming forums anymore. The big site forums are poorly moderated and full of kids and fanboys. Reddit sucks for discussion, most gaming subs are just news aggregators and people fishing for karma, console-specific subs are fanboy hellholes etc. This place is still slow as hell.

The politics stuff on Era is terrible, but I think most posters just stay out of it and stay for the gaming news, great gaming OTs etc. that used to be over here. The politics and moderation were just as bad here for years and it didn't go down until the "scandal" that generated enough unrest for them to successfully get people to migrate in huge numbers. It will probably take something like that to cause the same to happen over there as all the political and moderation is moot for the average member who stays out of those thread and is just there for the game news, Game OTs, Game and OT Community threads etc.

For this site to continue rebuilding it's going to take getting more news threads posted, making sure there are good OTs for most major/semi-major releases going forward etc. I'll try to chip in by posting some news threads here and there, game OTs aren't my forte though with the expectation for the amount of info, images etc. for a good OT. Maybe the staff here should start posting OTs for a while to help drum up traffic.

Sadly, the majority of those Gaming OTs get bogged down by politics and the same overly harsh, authoritarian/far-left moderation that plagues the entire site. Hell, some games you can't even really talk about specific subjects (such as its developer in the case of Kingdom Come) or the game in general (such as any of the games they have banned for being *evil*).

Now to move the topic a bit, this is a thread that talks about off-site communities (not only Reset), and I have to say that there is some odd disconnect between groups. For example, there was a post on the Easy Allies forum that stated:

Unfortunately the Christian Conservative Right has gained a foothold recently thanks to people like Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro excusing closeted bigotry under the guise of "fighting for free speech", so INCELs, MGTOWs, and various other right wing idealogues think because babby's first social darwinism is being pushed by some charismatic but ultimately misguided talking heads, being told to "be nice or go away" by some videogame peoples is some personal afront to them in an effort to appease an SJW bogeyman they've made up in their minds.

It seems that some people on the far-left are very much keen to believe that the "SJWs" are a boogeyman created by "videogame peoples" (as apparently 'gamer' is too scary for them to say). Also the idea that Jordan Peterson is excusing closeted bigotry is just... that is hilarious.
 
Sadly, the majority of those Gaming OTs get bogged down by politics and the same overly harsh, authoritarian/far-left moderation that plagues the entire site. Hell, some games you can't even really talk about specific subjects (such as its developer in the case of Kingdom Come) or the game in general (such as any of the games they have banned for being *evil*).

Meh. I never found that to be all that bad over there. Most game OTs are fine, and even for games with controversies attached like Kingdom Come they usually had mod warnings in the OP of the OT to keep that out of the OT and had dedicated threads for discussing the controversy around one of the developers. Game OTs were/are especially good once they get moved to communties as it's only fans playing the game at that point.

But again, I'm pretty far left so a lot of the stuff that triggers a lot of you all leaning the otherway didn't bother me. I just got tired of that place due to rampant fanboyism/console warring and the constant negativity and hostility overall.

Hello.

So are ya allowed just chat here, or is it just for discussing other forums?

This is a thread for discussing other communities/forums. GAF has generally always liked to keep threads as on-topic as possible, and I assume that's still the same. From your post elsewhere, you're not used to forums getting 1,000s of posts a day--there's not really much in the way of general chat threads on here. The closet things are some of the threads in the Community forum areas, but those haven't bounced back yet in gaming or off topic.
 
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This struck me as a reasonable post. Of course the guy got banned: https://www.resetera.com/threads/eras-woman-problem-read-op.57534/page-28#post-10753235

Followed up by Conservatives are "not compatible" with ERA according to this guy: https://www.resetera.com/threads/eras-woman-problem-read-op.57534/page-29#post-10753762

But this person says conservatives are welcome as long as they use the "right tone" (whatever that means): https://www.resetera.com/threads/eras-woman-problem-read-op.57534/page-29#post-10753773
 
Meh. I never found that to be all that bad over there. Most game OTs are fine, and even for games with controversies attached like Kingdom Come they usually had mod warnings in the OP of the OT to keep that out of the OT and had dedicated threads for discussing the controversy around one of the developers. Game OTs were/are especially good once they get moved to communties as it's only fans playing the game at that point.

But again, I'm pretty far left so a lot of the stuff that triggers a lot of you all leaning the otherway didn't bother me. I just got tired of that place due to rampant fanboyism/console warring and the constant negativity and hostility overall.



This is a thread for discussing other communities/forums. GAF has generally always liked to keep threads as on-topic as possible, and I assume that's still the same. From your post elsewhere, you're not used to forums getting 1,000s of posts a day--there's not really much in the way of general chat threads on here. The closet things are some of the threads in the Community forum areas, but those haven't bounced back yet in gaming or off topic.
Thanks for the info. :)
 
Meh. I never found that to be all that bad over there. Most game OTs are fine, and even for games with controversies attached like Kingdom Come they usually had mod warnings in the OP of the OT to keep that out of the OT and had dedicated threads for discussing the controversy around one of the developers. Game OTs were/are especially good once they get moved to communties as it's only fans playing the game at that point.

But again, I'm pretty far left so a lot of the stuff that triggers a lot of you all leaning the otherway didn't bother me. I just got tired of that place due to rampant fanboyism/console warring and the constant negativity and hostility overall.

The issue comes when you are told you cannot speak about a part of the game (and talking about the head developer in a positive light is part of that discussion). Being told that there is no discussion to be had and that something just *is* (in this case: Daniel Vavre is a racist/GG-supporting/asshole) does not sit right with me. Sure, you can have that opinion - but that is just a personal opinion. Not a fact. They push it to be a fact.
 
The issue comes when you are told you cannot speak about a part of the game (and talking about the head developer in a positive light is part of that discussion). Being told that there is no discussion to be had and that something just *is* (in this case: Daniel Vavre is a racist/GG-supporting/asshole) does not sit right with me. Sure, you can have that opinion - but that is just a personal opinion. Not a fact. They push it to be a fact.
Now I wanna join just so I can find a post I don't agree with, say, "I don't agree.", and get banned.
 
Now I wanna join just so I can find a post I don't agree with, say, "I don't agree.", and get banned.
What would that accomplish? So you can say that trying that gets you banned? I mean, you do you, but i don't think that's worth an account over.
Although you will get the reason ''Account still in junior phase'' attached to it, despite that the whole juniors thing is exactly what they wanted to get rid of in the first place. It still persists, as such reasonings on posts show.
 
I wonder if I'm not an anti-progressive scum just for letting women in the door first. God, yesterday I helped a lady with her heavy groceries. She must hate my to the bone ;(
 
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The issue comes when you are told you cannot speak about a part of the game (and talking about the head developer in a positive light is part of that discussion). Being told that there is no discussion to be had and that something just *is* (in this case: Daniel Vavre is a racist/GG-supporting/asshole) does not sit right with me. Sure, you can have that opinion - but that is just a personal opinion. Not a fact. They push it to be a fact.

I agree with your stance on this for sure, I just never saw any of that in any of the game OTs I was in. The political threads about some games, yes (and still lame there), but not the OTs. But I'm sure I just missed some.

Although you will get the reason ''Account still in junior phase'' attached to it, despite that the whole juniors thing is exactly what they wanted to get rid of in the first place. It still persists, as such reasonings on posts show.

Did they every really intend that to be permanent? I was there week 1 and the gist I got of that was it was a temp thing as there was no sense having Junior/New Members when a majority of people signing up were long time GAF members.

In any case, not having a Junior/New Member (Neophye/Neo etc. here) is unwise unless it's just a no-holds barred forum with little or no moderation. You need some restriction on creating threads to stop spammers and trolls, and new members who go on rants, attack people etc. should be treated more harshly than people who've been around a while. They haven't earned the benefit of the doubt like a long time member who the post is out of character for has, and if someone is aggressive and breaking forum rules from day/week one after signing up that's a pretty good sign that they're just not going to be a good member.

I'm not saying their standards over there for what a "good" member is are appropriate or reasonable by any means. Just that I think it's good to have a junior/new member system and have those folk on a shorter leash. I'm glad GAF is still doing that as well, paired with more reasonable moderation.
 
That "resetera's women problem" thread is peak safe space.

In retrospect Evilore must feel like such a relief knowing the bullet he just dodged on this.

The state of resetera(and of neogaf until last year) is not enough to this people. They really want a small bubble of like minded people.
 
I wonder if I'm not an anti-progressive scum just for letting women in the door first. God, yesterday I helped a lady with her heavy groceries. She must hate my to the bone ;(
All one needs is a little empathy. But the second you do show exactly that to someone The Names or The Little Helper don't like, that empathy nets you a ban.

They want one thing and then the other ever so erratically. It is really gobsmacking how much it took a turn for the worst the last month or so.
Did they every really intend that to be permanent? I was there week 1 and the gist I got of that was it was a temp thing as there was no sense having Junior/New Members when a majority of people signing up were long time GAF members.

In any case, not having a Junior/New Member (Neophye/Neo etc. here) is unwise unless it's just a no-holds barred forum with little or no moderation. You need some restriction on creating threads to stop spammers and trolls, and new members who go on rants, attack people etc. should be treated more harshly than people who've been around a while. They haven't earned the benefit of the doubt like a long time member who the post is out of character for has, and if someone is aggressive and breaking forum rules from day/week one after signing up that's a pretty good sign that they're just not going to be a good member.

I'm not saying their standards over there for what a "good" member is are appropriate or reasonable by any means. Just that I think it's good to have a junior/new member system and have those folk on a shorter leash. I'm glad GAF is still doing that as well, paired with more reasonable moderation.
It was indeed a temp thing, which is why things like Adopt-A-User (Which we also have!) were a great service to newbie members without postings rights. Then, the admin closed those threads without any explanation beyond something like ''they outlived their purpose'' or some stuff like that. The most prolific helpers at the time, including me, really didn't get that.

In hindsight, perhaps that moment was a sign of things to come in the way it was handled. :/
 
That "resetera's women problem" thread is peak safe space.

In retrospect Evilore must feel like such a relief knowing the bullet he just dodged on this.

The state of resetera(and of neogaf until last year) is not enough to this people. They really want a small bubble of like minded people.

I would think it is a huge relief. All the little holier than thou, judgmental cunts can no longer destroy this site. They are flat out destructive to every board they touch.

Remember these are the same group of people who used to run around this place with their "Believe" slogans that referred to if any woman brought forth an allegation against a man it is 100% true. No questions asked. Screw waiting for the facts (which would be ban if you ever said I'll wait for the facts). The man is 100% guilty.

It's a kangaroo court there.
 
Remember these are the same group of people who used to run around this place with their "Believe" slogans that referred to if any woman brought forth an allegation against a man it is 100% true. No questions asked. Screw waiting for the facts (which would be ban if you ever said I'll wait for the facts). The man is 100% guilty.

It's a kangaroo court there.

Whenever a new article gets posted about an alleged rape or racist attack, there are literally people who post "let's wait for the facts /s" they actually are saying that sarcastically. Why wouldn't you ever wait for facts? And why would you admit they aren't important to you?
 
Whenever a new article gets posted about an alleged rape or racist attack, there are literally people who post "let's wait for the facts /s" they actually are saying that sarcastically. Why wouldn't you ever wait for facts? And why would you admit they aren't important to you?

"Feelings before Facts" is a popular phrase coined for people like that.
 
Polygon, Waypoint, Kotaku, Kiwifarms, etc. Sometimes a random other forum such as Easy Allies. However it is mostly Reset.
The Polygon forums look shit; as do the Waypoint forums; I couldn't find a link to the Kotaku forums; Kiwi Farms looks like it might be kinda fun (hadn't heard of it before, thanks for mentioning it); and the Easy Allies forums look shit.
 
Damn. They even banned Yoshi on page 37 for actually trying to have a discussion.

"User Banned (Duration Pending): Ignoring mod post, thread derailment. Consistent pedantry on issues surrounding minorities."
It was a perma actually :(.
 
What happens when they run out of people to ban?

I would not be surprised if they turn on themselves or claim that "GamerGate" killed their site and drove away their members. Hell, there are already people who say such in the links provided the past 24 hours.
 
This thread is a treasure, it has it all: https://www.resetera.com/threads/eras-woman-problem-read-op.57534/

Apparently the safe space isn't safe enough for some people's liking. Then there are a ton of people praising the mods as being fair and 'central' with bans being well thought out.

And that grain of truth in the OP about how the some of the white knights there like to trot out minorities to exploit them in order to bludgeon some opponent in an argument (with that being the focus more than actually giving a shit about the minorities in question).

The consensus seems to be building in the thread that the issue with Era that needs to be fixed, is that the moderation is not strict/harsh enough. Yes! That's it. THAT'S the problem! That's the ONLY problem!! -_-
Oh boy. I can see this getting to the point where users just label the mod team as "false leftists", make a campaign against them, open a new forum, and repeat the process.

Some dev dares to say that the atmosphere might be a bit hostile, gets dogpiled by REEera in the process.

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/neogaf-resetera.9636/page-395#post-3598789
This is on point.
 
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TyrantGuardian goes full commie. He wants Open Borders and expensive as hell taxes for only "Developed countries".

In fact, before you set up a straw-man, I'll beat you to it: I'm for completely open borders in developed countries in terms of accepting people fleeing war, oppression and political danger. There you go.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/sw...mans-deportation-to-hell.57684/#post-10764012

I think literally everybody should be allowed to stay, barring criminal prosecution. I don't care if it works or not. I literally don't give a fuck. Human rights über alles.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/sw...mans-deportation-to-hell.57684/#post-10764038

Luckily most Swedes don't share your barbaric approach to protest. I have been opposing deportation full stop since long before the US became ruled by a fascist shitlord.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/sw...eportation-to-hell.57684/page-2#post-10764074

Anyway, to bring it home further; I want taxes to be raised to extremely high levels. I want to remove income taxes from the working class below a certain income level and I want to apply scaling wealth taxation to a soft cap of ~90% for people above a certain extreme level of wealth where they cannot possibly do anything with that money in their private lives.

Yes, I want to pay more taxes. The thing I want isn't impossible, it just doesn't work with capitalism. I am against capitalism. You figure out the rest, my friend.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/sw...eportation-to-hell.57684/page-2#post-10764134

Remember, if you don't vote, it's these guys who are going to be in power and tax everyone to death with their mass migration schemes. Every vote counts to stop developed countries from turning into the next Soviet Bloc.
 
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There's a reason everyone wants to leave literally every non capitalist country ever and go to any capitalist country anywhere. The people in non capitalist countries actually have it bad enough that tgey are putting their money where their mouth is and fleeing, while the white knights in their first world echo chambers can only sit around and shout. If non capitalist countries are so great, why can't they put their money where their mouth is? A little time in a true communist country would turn these brogressives around about as fast as a trip to the ISS for a flat-earther.

The height of irony is that these are the people who shout, protest, and rebel the loudest. Guess what happens to a rebellion or protest in a communist country? Hint: Tiannemen Square
 
If that verified account was not verified, he would have been banned for those comments.

"Community whining, arguing in bad faith" etc.
 
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