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That is code for their little helpers getting into confrontations and 'marking' said people.

I mean, if you go into the thread I was banned for a couple days ago, on the last couple pages you'll see people literally cheering that the "Report" button is being used so frequently and then another poster says something along the lines of "Let's go find two more people to get banned!"

They're joyously and without the slightest shred of self-awareness or irony creating an isolationist echo chamber when the slightest dissent is a crime and attempting to have a conversation about it is "trolling."
 
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I agree. I've submitted several common-sense suggestions to improve the moderation system over there and make it more transparent and consistent and I've never gotten a word back or seen them try to implement any of them.
See, this is a dangerous assumption you are making here, namely that The Names actually give a rat's ass about their community. Their self-made feedback thread is living (well, hidden) proof that they don't care about you or me or anyone that isnt a Little Helper. Even when such Little Helpers are doing acts of mutiny.

And some Little Helpers just play suck up and eventually become The Names moderators. I know of one recent instance and to this day it actually geniunely annoys me that this user was promoted. Like, you could have picked anyone more stable for that job but The Names chose to pick someone who finds the Alexa Skyrim joke problematic.

I'm convinced "admin review" is simply a label they throw onto things to pretend there's something approaching an impartial process.

For instance, I suggested months ago that the names of the moderators that are involved in a warning/banning should be visible on the moderation banner.
Ofcourse. Its a recent addition to The Names default array of ban answers. This little group of superiors take every little thing at face value online because IRL you will never run into the kind of situation they are so painstakingly are offended over.

But, i gotta hand it to them - They are supremely consistent in the values they hold dearly. Ofcourse, those values are pretty much abhorrent to anyone who has one of the following skills: Empathy, tolerance, outside-of-the-box thinking and loving cats, but they are pretty exceptional in that regard.

"History of infractions" is another good one. I'd love to see the history. They can ban a first time offender and say "history of infractions", and who's going to verify? I'm willing to bet that almost none of the people have histories, but that the mods say it anyway because it makes it sound more legitimate
There are ofcourse a few folks that actually do have an actual history of infractions - But consider this: With the banbot in place since June, which tracks till March, some of these histories of infractions must have been before the banbot started tracking, so from March onward. After all, the banbot can see the history of an user since that time. What strikes me as interesting is that a lot of those users don't have any infractions since March, so the whole history of infractions part has to reference things a user did before that time in order for that argument to be valid.*

If not, then its just a blanket reason (Which, lets be honest, it most likely is.)

*Unless Crunk (Hiya) enhanced the bot to backtrack postings from the start, that is.

Also Important shit:

For once ill drop my umbrella terming of users to mention this. Remember Cream? The user who has been banned on every site under the sun? Well, he was briefly on The Bore today using a new alt, and he mentioned some exciting news:

There is a growing group of users currently working on a new splinter site to branch off of ERA. Take that with a massive grain of salt, ofcourse. Apparently it will focus on women acceptance and a different tone to bigotry issues. People are just waiting it out on Discord, but the lighter that lit this fuel was the feedback thread. So it may very well be that a new splinter site (Restart???) will arise in the close future...

...unless Cream is full of... Cream. In that case, disregard the PSA.
 
I mean, if you go into the thread I was banned for a couple days ago, on the last couple pages you'll see people literally cheering that the "Report" button is being used so frequently and then another poster says something along the lines of "Let's go find two more people to get banned!"

They're joyously and without the slightest shred of self-awareness or irony creating an isolationist echo chamber when the slightest dissent is a crime and attempting to have a conversation about it is "trolling."

Oh I think the people doing the reporting and banning are very self aware. Those are the ones who want an echo chamber/safe space as they aren't interested in having debates. They just want to chat with people exactly like themselves. On the surface, I don't have a problem with such things--Reddit is great for that as you can find nice, small communities when you're sick of arguing and just want to make friends and chat. It just sucks that most of the gaming community from here jumped over there too as it's going to be hard to get the gaming side here active enough for those of us that like gaming forums that always have new posts when we check in a few times a day. It's getting steadily better, but probably won't return to how it was activity wise, nor catch up to Era's pace just based on the fact that no other gaming forums are that active these days as far as I can tell.
 
For once ill drop my umbrella terming of users to mention this. Remember Cream? The user who has been banned on every site under the sun? Well, he was briefly on The Bore today using a new alt, and he mentioned some exciting news:

There is a growing group of users currently working on a new splinter site to branch off of ERA. Take that with a massive grain of salt, ofcourse. Apparently it will focus on women acceptance and a different tone to bigotry issues. People are just waiting it out on Discord, but the lighter that lit this fuel was the feedback thread. So it may very well be that a new splinter site (Restart???) will arise in the close future...
So is this gonna be the theoretical even-more-absurd version of Era that has even stricter moderation that many people were inexplicably clamoring for in a couple of those recent threads?
 
So is this gonna be the theoretical even-more-absurd version of Era that has even stricter moderation that many people were inexplicably clamoring for in a couple of those recent threads?

They are going to moderate themselves into this...
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Ironic.
 
So is this gonna be the theoretical even-more-absurd version of Era that has even stricter moderation that many people were inexplicably clamoring for in a couple of those recent threads?
According to this it will be:
''It's not a replacement. We don't care about size. It's a forum for women and minorities where bigotry will taken far more seriously than it is on Era.''
Also, original announcement post.
 
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Also, moderators who have a personal stake in a political issue shouldn't be allowed to moderate issues that deal directly with it, as they obviously take it personally and tend to abuse their position.
For example, Sweet Nicole shouldn't be involved in any moderation that has to do with "trans' issues, as she's pretty demonstrably taken even innocuous statements personally and "dropped her wrath" unjustly.
Some of the moderation staff is blatantly using their power as some sort of personal vindication of some personal vendetta, silencing anyone they see as "the problem."
While I am with you on that in principle, I think it is precisely the opposite of what they want to achieve. In fact, right when they started, it was an important point that an admin was transgender. If this is important for practical reasons, rather than just to demonstrate inclusiveness, then I assume the precise idea was that it is important to have people who are transgender to moderate this issue, as well as black people to moderate issues regarding race in the US (and considering how US centric the forum is, this basically covers the topic of race almost completely). By the way, in principle I think this is fine as well, because even if you are transgender you sure can be fair wrt moderating this issue, but as always it is harder to be impartial if one is addressed oneself, so a fair moderation then requires an open mind and acceptance of differing view points, more than in topics that you are not personally involved with.
 
While I am with you on that in principle, I think it is precisely the opposite of what they want to achieve. In fact, right when they started, it was an important point that an admin was transgender. If this is important for practical reasons, rather than just to demonstrate inclusiveness, then I assume the precise idea was that it is important to have people who are transgender to moderate this issue, as well as black people to moderate issues regarding race in the US (and considering how US centric the forum is, this basically covers the topic of race almost completely). By the way, in principle I think this is fine as well, because even if you are transgender you sure can be fair wrt moderating this issue, but as always it is harder to be impartial if one is addressed oneself, so a fair moderation then requires an open mind and acceptance of differing view points, more than in topics that you are not personally involved with.

There is actually 4 that are transgender.
 
''Genderphobic comment used in a derogatory manner.'' = Google Translate, Reset Edition.

There is actually 4 that are transgender.
All belonging to The Names with a lengthy list of Little Helpers either siding with their idea of trans acceptance or being trans themselves.
Psycho me actually has a list keeping track of those folks who have sided with The Names.
I am probably a better fit for Kiwi when it comes to this. Because, lets just continue where this train goes. :P
 
While I am with you on that in principle, I think it is precisely the opposite of what they want to achieve. In fact, right when they started, it was an important point that an admin was transgender. If this is important for practical reasons, rather than just to demonstrate inclusiveness, then I assume the precise idea was that it is important to have people who are transgender to moderate this issue, as well as black people to moderate issues regarding race in the US (and considering how US centric the forum is, this basically covers the topic of race almost completely). By the way, in principle I think this is fine as well, because even if you are transgender you sure can be fair wrt moderating this issue, but as always it is harder to be impartial if one is addressed oneself, so a fair moderation then requires an open mind and acceptance of differing view points, more than in topics that you are not personally involved with.

So then what makes my presence or perspective so unacceptable?

I'm bi-racial Irish/African. I have just about the whitest blood possible in me and just about the blackest blood in me a person can have.
I've experience racism from both sides in surprisingly equal measure over the course of my life.
White people can be racist, and black people can be just as racist and being prejudiced against someone with their skin color as a component is racism no matter what direction it's flowing in.

I have exactly the sort of perspective on these issues that they claim to want to nurture, but my conclusions don't perfectly align with theirs, so I deserve to be silenced.

What even the point of having "political discussion" threads if you're not allowed to have a different view?
Those aren't "political discussion" threads, they "political agreement" threads.

There is actually 4 that are transgender.

Well that's disproportionate representation, isn't it?
If you get mad at whites or males or what have you for being more than 50% of anything then how can you, with a straight face, staff an oversight committee with multiple members when they represent a community that has less than a 1% occurrence rate "in the wild?" I'm all for respect and inclusivity, but when you create an environment where the overwhelming majority has to be forcibly tailored to the tiny, tiny minority, then you've actually just created a tyranny.
 
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So then what makes my presence or perspective so unacceptable?

I'm bi-racial Irish/African. I have just about the whitest blood possible in me and just about the blackest blood in me a person can have.
I've experience racism from both sides in surprisingly equal measure over the course of my life.
White people can be racist, and black people can be just as racist and being prejudiced against someone with their skin color as a component is racism no matter what direction it's flowing in.

I have exactly the sort of perspective on these issues that they claim to want to nurture, but my conclusions don't perfectly align with theirs, so I deserve to be silenced.

What even the point of having "political discussion" threads if you're not allowed to have a different view?
Those aren't Political discussion" threads, they "political agreement" threads.



Well that's disproportionate representation, isn't it?
If you get mad at whites or males or what have you for being more than 50% of anything then how can you, with a straight face, staff an oversight committee with multiple members when they represent a community that has less than a 1% occurrence rate "in the wild?"
Well, that don't ask me, I'm not a good fit to answer that, because I have recently been thrown out as well. I see no issue with you.
 
Well that's disproportionate representation, isn't it?
If you get mad at whites or males or what have you for being more than 50% of anything then how can you, with a straight face, staff an oversight committee with multiple members when they represent a community that has less than a 1% occurrence rate "in the wild?" I'm all for respect and inclusivity, but when you create an environment where the overwhelming majority has to be forcibly tailored to the tiny, tiny minority, then you've actually just created a tyranny.

Bingo.
 
For once ill drop my umbrella terming of users to mention this. Remember Cream? The user who has been banned on every site under the sun? Well, he was briefly on The Bore today using a new alt, and he mentioned some exciting news:

There is a growing group of users currently working on a new splinter site to branch off of ERA. Take that with a massive grain of salt, ofcourse. Apparently it will focus on women acceptance and a different tone to bigotry issues. People are just waiting it out on Discord, but the lighter that lit this fuel was the feedback thread. So it may very well be that a new splinter site (Restart???) will arise in the close future...

...unless Cream is full of... Cream. In that case, disregard the PSA.

Do I understand correctly that they are basically saying that the other site is so far to the right that people are starting a new site that will stamp out even more wrong think than before? If so, I don't know how I could possibly believe this is not just trolling to stir the pot and get some lulz from the meltdowns.
 
Do I understand correctly that they are basically saying that the other site is so far to the right that people are starting a new site that will stamp out even more wrong think than before? If so, I don't know how I could possibly believe this is not just trolling to stir the pot and get some lulz from the meltdowns.

No if you check some of their threads - there's portion of users who believe their moderation isn't harsh enough on what they call "bigotry"
 
According to this it will be:

Also, original announcement post.

So it is a cuddlebox where they can hide opinions that hurt their overly sensitive feelings under the guise of "battling hatespeech and bigotry". Oh geez, I wonder where I heard that from... *cough*ResetEra*cough*

I do hope that these kids get a reality check at some point, or that natural selection will prevent them from contaminating the gene pool. I swear some of these folks are more loony than the loony toons.
 
"History of infractions" is another good one. I'd love to see the history. They can ban a first time offender and say "history of infractions", and who's going to verify? I'm willing to bet that almost none of the people have histories, but that the mods say it anyway because it makes it sound more legitimate
I have a history of misogyny apparently :o
 
If someone really thinks old Gaf is too far right, then they certainly have serious mental health issues. They should seek professional help instead of creating forums.
 
Didn't Cream post on NeoNeoGAF briefly as MamaRice or am I confused?

NeoNeoGaf? I am confused by that. They posted here and got promptly banned because they continued to rely on petty insults, childish retorts, and generally acting like an angry and bitter gradeschooler.
 
NeoNeoGaf? I am confused by that. They posted here and got promptly banned because they continued to rely on petty insults, childish retorts, and generally acting like an angry and bitter gradeschooler.

I thought there was an informal agreement that we were calling the new post-cancer NeoGAF NeoNeoGAF.

I swear that Cream posted here briefly a few months back but I can't remember exactly what her username was. I think it was MamaRice but I could be wrong. Alternatively, my aging memory is just failing me entirely.
 
I thought there was an informal agreement that we were calling the new post-cancer NeoGAF NeoNeoGAF.

I swear that Cream posted here briefly a few months back but I can't remember exactly what her username was. I think it was MamaRice but I could be wrong. Alternatively, my aging memory is just failing me entirely.

Ah, I have always referred to it as "NewGaf", with the prior moderation under the name "OldGaf". My B!

I think Cream was just Cream, or some variant using alt characters. MamaRice was someone different, unless I was mistaken. I clearly remember someone was using that Cream avatar (Black female in pink with short hair) so I may just be mixing people up.

Yep, went by the name CreamCream: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/i-ha...ginger-you-cant.1462576/page-5#post-253276948
 
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Ah, I have always referred to it as "NewGaf", with the prior moderation under the name "OldGaf". My B!

I think Cream was just Cream, or some variant using alt characters. MamaRice was someone different, unless I was mistaken. I clearly remember someone was using that Cream avatar (Black female in pink with short hair) so I may just be mixing people up.

Yep, went by the name CreamCream: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/i-ha...ginger-you-cant.1462576/page-5#post-253276948

Nice work, detective Claus. My memory is indeed failing.
 
Do I understand correctly that they are basically saying that the other site is so far to the right that people are starting a new site that will stamp out even more wrong think than before? If so, I don't know how I could possibly believe this is not just trolling to stir the pot and get some lulz from the meltdowns.
There are ERA folks who geniunely want even more controlled moderation. Then again, you also have users who geniunely think The Names do a great job. Well i agree with that, they do uphold and defend a very specific policy very adamantly.

But to say they do a great job is like saying the site welcomes differing opinion. You will find that in every strict forum there will always be a group of Yes-mans agreeing with The Names strategy. It really is not that much different from certain groups in world history. ;) Except in those cases, disagreeing with the status quo meant certain death upon you and your family, here you just get banned and that's it.

Personally, i think this thread should sing a different tune and not be so bothered anymore by what The Names do. I mean, most behaviors have now been figured out and commented at and its pretty obvious that the site is not in it for views that supposely threaten their very existence (To remain dramatic in tone). Personally, i will only cover those events that display new behavior for the time being.

So it is a cuddlebox where they can hide opinions that hurt their overly sensitive feelings under the guise of "battling hatespeech and bigotry". Oh geez, I wonder where I heard that from... *cough*ResetEra*cough*

I do hope that these kids get a reality check at some point, or that natural selection will prevent them from contaminating the gene pool. I swear some of these folks are more loony than the loony toons.
Some also suffer from depression so in that sense i can understand you would want not to feel hurt. Then again, and that's where most of those Little Helpers complaints go flat, they dont 100% focus on their mental state of mind and the road to possible recovery towards that, rather opting to write a thread on ERA or to bait others into a ban because im offended.

This is not a desirable trait in humans. Cats are vastly inferior to good boy doggos and should be kept out of human households due to toxoplasmosis.
You can rightly buzz off with your adoration for doggo's. Who are you, Fat4all's Little Helper? ;)
 
Some also suffer from depression so in that sense i can understand you would want not to feel hurt. Then again, and that's where most of those Little Helpers complaints go flat, they dont 100% focus on their mental state of mind and the road to possible recovery towards that, rather opting to write a thread on ERA or to bait others into a ban because im offended.

Eh, that isn't a good excuse. I also suffer from depression to the point of two suicide attempts. Hiding from the world will only ever exacerbate the issues and make it much harder to deal with reality. You need to come to grips and find ways to cope with the real world, not create a false reality where everything is hunky-dory.
 
According to this it will be:

Also, original announcement post.

I love it! Eventually we can all have our very own personal forums so we don't have to hear or read anything that might offend our fragile sensibilities. I can't wait until I've shunned all the people that don't agree with me so I can be all alone my safe space forum with some peace and quiet for once.

Eh, that isn't a good excuse. I also suffer from depression to the point of two suicide attempts. Hiding from the world will only ever exacerbate the issues and make it much harder to deal with reality. You need to come to grips and find ways to cope with the real world, not create a false reality where everything is hunky-dory.

This is what bugs me about how the vocal transgender folks like excelsiorLEF behave for example. Their attitude of superiority combined with their desire to be handled with kid gloves at the same time makes it seem like they hold some monopoly on pain and depression that us "cis" folks couldn't possibly understand. I'm with you and try my best not to dismiss anybody's pain or anguish because it is all too real for me.

It is like they were treated poorly for things beyond their control growing up and instead of learning that is a terrible way to treat people they decided instead to go even harder back at everybody.

Every thread (I just browsed the "bad neighborhood" thread earlier) there is basically:

 
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oops, DP'd. :)

EDIT: Since I DP'd, might as well use the space. The fact that neighborhood thread went on for 12 pages, 90% of which were troll replies just shows how shit that fucking place is. I guess after 12 pages of personal insults for being concerned about the new neighbors they decided OP had learned their lesson?

What bothers me most about this is he could have a very legitimate concern but all they care about is deciphering the code of his language. Fuck that place.
 
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Eh, that isn't a good excuse. I also suffer from depression to the point of two suicide attempts. Hiding from the world will only ever exacerbate the issues and make it much harder to deal with reality. You need to come to grips and find ways to cope with the real world, not create a false reality where everything is hunky-dory.
I am sorry to hear this Claus :/
And to reaffirm, i did also say this:

Then again, and that's where most of those Little Helpers complaints go flat, they dont 100% focus on their mental state of mind and the road to possible recovery towards that, rather opting to write a thread on ERA or to bait others into a ban because im offended.

So what isnt a good excuse? I covered both sides here. :)

I love it! Eventually we can all have our very own personal forums so we don't have to hear or read anything that might offend our fragile sensibilities. I can't wait until I've shunned all the people that don't agree with me so I can be all alone my safe space forum with some peace and quiet for once.
So basically the forum equivalent of a closet or a locker to weep in.
 
I am sorry to hear this Claus :/
And to reaffirm, i did also say this:

Then again, and that's where most of those Little Helpers complaints go flat, they dont 100% focus on their mental state of mind and the road to possible recovery towards that, rather opting to write a thread on ERA or to bait others into a ban because im offended.

So what isnt a good excuse? I covered both sides here. :)

So basically the forum equivalent of a closet or a locker to weep in.

Oh I know you did. I just wanted to give my two cents on the depression excuse that I have seen used by those very people. Just urks me personally is all.
 
I love it! Eventually we can all have our very own personal forums so we don't have to hear or read anything that might offend our fragile sensibilities. I can't wait until I've shunned all the people that don't agree with me so I can be all alone my safe space forum with some peace and quiet for once.



This is what bugs me about how the vocal transgender folks like excelsiorLEF behave for example. Their attitude of superiority combined with their desire to be handled with kid gloves at the same time makes it seem like they hold some monopoly on pain and depression that us "cis" folks couldn't possibly understand. I'm with you and try my best not to dismiss anybody's pain or anguish because it is all too real for me.

It is like they were treated poorly for things beyond their control growing up and instead of learning that is a terrible way to treat people they decided instead to go even harder back at everybody.

Every thread (I just browsed the "bad neighborhood" thread earlier) there is basically:



After reading the bad neighborhood OP that one sentence in it jumped out at me since I knew it was going to immediately trigger them.
 
I'm going to start my own forum where everyone praises Too Human and wants the rest of the trilogy. That way I'm not alone most of the time :(
 
Oh I know you did. I just wanted to give my two cents on the depression excuse that I have seen used by those very people. Just urks me personally is all.
It is indeed kind of hypocritical to cite depression as your issue (Which i geniunely do find terrible) only to find out the next day that they are baiting people into a ban or shutting down others for having a differing view/wishing death upon Trump or shit like that.

On some specific Little Helpers, the abilty to be sympathic with their cause makes this kind of thing a lot more difficult to achieve.
 
Octopath Traveler is now sexist: https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-sexist-garbage-in-octopath-traveler.61194/

Thread locked while the staff reviews it (for bans).

It's ban hammer time!

When on their user post on that last page cought my attention though:
But more problematic than whatever is or isn't written in this particular article or whether it's a good or a bad article is the fact that the gaming community even here on ERA is more interested in protecting their precious fragile games than engaging in a genuine debate about how these portrayals in media affect both the men and the women consuming said media. It's literally gatekeeping the debate because people like me and others (especially women who have repeatedly expressed this sentiment on this forum) just don't have to energy to discuss these issues when every thread on the matter is swamped with reactionary pearl-clutching from people eager to dismiss any criticism about their favorite games, as if being critical of works you enjoy somehow makes them less good? It's pathetic.

Look, I fucking love Bayonetta. Check out my avatar. I breathe that shit every day and for me, the game feels incredibly positive and like a true female power fantasy, something I find incredibly under-represented in media in general, especially in games. Other people didn't feel that way about the game and the character at all – they felt like using overt sexuality as the only means for a woman to assert her power and value in society was incredibly harmful and reinforced negative stereotypes to them.

Here's the crazy part; my opinion is 100% right. Their opinion is also 100% right! Crazy how that works, I know. It's almost like people having a different personal experience and perspective on a work of fiction is a good thing that should be cherished and welcomed because it helps us all broaden our horizons and learn to empathize with others even when they feel the exact opposite of what we do. Yet here we are, with people infinitely more interested in shielding themselves because the criticism hits too close to home and thus they take it personally rather than listening and understanding. That's abhorrently destructive for any debate on these matters and it's getting incredibly tiring even here on ERA, not to mention other gaming forums.

So she uses bayonetta as an example to say that not everyone agrees but everyone is right which imo is stupid.
Because if the people that feel bayonetta is trash get their way then the game would not get made for people who enjoys it.
That to me is the key difference: the 'it's just criticism' rethoric doesn't fly because obviously it aims to change and influence content makers.
So there would never be any debate: octopath traveller is sexist: 'oh sorry you feel that way you are right even though I don't believe that's the case'. What's the conclusion? Nothing changes or we don't make these games anymore?
 
I mean, as soon as I had a little gander through that thread I knew this was gonna happen

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How do they even come to these conclusions :messenger_tears_of_joy::messenger_tears_of_joy:

inb4 "permanent" because "history of severe infractions"
I got banned for "Inflammatory false equivalences" as well "pie_tears_joy:. I said both the extreme right and extreme left are problematic.
 
It's ban hammer time!

When on their user post on that last page cought my attention though:


So she uses bayonetta as an example to say that not everyone agrees but everyone is right which imo is stupid.
Because if the people that feel bayonetta is trash get their way then the game would not get made for people who enjoys it.
That to me is the key difference: the 'it's just criticism' rethoric doesn't fly because obviously it aims to change and influence content makers.
So there would never be any debate: octopath traveller is sexist: 'oh sorry you feel that way you are right even though I don't believe that's the case'. What's the conclusion? Nothing changes or we don't make these games anymore?

For me on this issue it's all how the argument is made. I have no problems with people saying they don't like certain games or characters as they think they're sexist or the character over-sexualized and arguing that there should be more games with strong, non-sexualized female leads.

What I take issue with is when they don't just argue that but argue the types of games they don't like shouldn't be made/should be fewer in number, harass devs on Twitter etc about it, organize boycott campaigns and so on.

Gaming has expanded hugely as a marker and there definitely should be more games with strong female leads, minority leads, gay leads etc. as gaming catered pretty much solely to straight white young males for most of its existence.

However, that doesn't mean there should be any less focus on games with sexy female leads, hetero leads, white leads etc. Just that games should reflect the increasing diversity among gamers, but straight, white (and Asian for the eastern market) dudes are still the largest part of the market so they need to accept that more games are going to cater to that demographic until that changes. Money talks and bullshit walks and most devs are going to go after the largest possible market.
 
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