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[mckmas8808]

Please report back. I don't wanna give those guys anything resembling clicks or revenue.

I heard the one hour podcast that Patrick did on WayPoint about this. Half the people here will hate it because they hate Patrick anyway, but he did a great job explaining why his college self was an A-Hole. He apologized again and said one of the women that he took pictures of is his Wife now (that was a weird thing to find out)!

He said he understands why people are coming at him hard today because it seems hypocritical, but he wanted people to know that he's changed. NOW! The thing that I didn't like was he tried to play off the motivation of the original story of the Theorin guy (I misspelled his handle) as an innocent story where he wanted to explain to the world there's this guy that loves Alex Jones and has said some racial insensitive stuff in the past that's currently a host or something for a big CounterStrike event. And he wanted to make the ESL or ELS aware of that.

I for one don't believe that was the only motivation. I think he wanted to get him fired and it backfired on him. And one moment Patrick even admitted that all sides lost during this whole scandal.

 

[NickFire]

I heard the one hour podcast that Patrick did on WayPoint about this. Half the people here will hate it because they hate Patrick anyway, but he did a great job explaining why his college self was an A-Hole. He apologized again and said one of the women that he took pictures of is his Wife now (that was a weird thing to find out)!

He said he understands why people are coming at him hard today because it seems hypocritical, but he wanted people to know that he's changed. NOW! The thing that I didn't like was he tried to play off the motivation of the original story of the Theorin guy (I misspelled his handle) as an innocent story where he wanted to explain to the world there's this guy that loves Alex Jones and has said some racial insensitive stuff in the past that's currently a host or something for a big CounterStrike event. And he wanted to make the ESL or ELS aware of that.

I for one don't believe that was the only motivation. I think he wanted to get him fired and it backfired on him. And one moment Patrick even admitted that all sides lost during this whole scandal.

So is he basically saying that his intent was to say "Dear Employer - I don't want you to fire the guy - just want you and everyone else to know that a terrible person works for you and it reflects bad on you. But please, don't fire him"? Doesn't pass the smell test if that's what he's saying.

 

[darkinstinct]

Klepek is an asshole. Who would've thought.

 

[mindatlarge]

I heard the one hour podcast that Patrick did on WayPoint about this. Half the people here will hate it because they hate Patrick anyway, but he did a great job explaining why his college self was an A-Hole. He apologized again and said one of the women that he took pictures of is his Wife now (that was a weird thing to find out)!

He said he understands why people are coming at him hard today because it seems hypocritical, but he wanted people to know that he's changed. NOW! The thing that I didn't like was he tried to play off the motivation of the original story of the Theorin guy (I misspelled his handle) as an innocent story where he wanted to explain to the world there's this guy that loves Alex Jones and has said some racial insensitive stuff in the past that's currently a host or something for a big CounterStrike event. And he wanted to make the ESL or ELS aware of that.

I for one don't believe that was the only motivation. I think he wanted to get him fired and it backfired on him. And one moment Patrick even admitted that all sides lost during this whole scandal.

People can change or suppress bad tendencies, sure. And I don't think you can judge people based on some bad decisions made in their younger years but I think he is missing the irony here. If you are going to have the reputation of championing for a certain cause, you should probably come clean first if your past actions contradict your current stance, using yourself as an example to show that people can make changes in their lives for the better. Your past will always follow you, so it's best to come clean before it bites you in the ass. It takes some humility, but in the end more people will respect you for it.

 

[mckmas8808]

So is he basically saying that his intent was to say "Dear Employer - I don't want you to fire the guy - just want you and everyone else to know that a terrible person works for you and it reflects bad on you. But please, don't fire him"? Doesn't pass the smell test if that's what he's saying.

Yes! This is 100% exactly what he is claiming on the WayPoint podcast. You understand it 100%. I don't buy it either, but who's to say?

People can change or suppress bad tendencies, sure. And I don't think you can judge people based on some bad decisions made in their younger years but I think he is missing the irony here. If you are going to have the reputation of championing for a certain cause, you should probably come clean first if your past actions contradict your current stance, using yourself as an example to show that people can make changes in their lives for the better. Your past will always follow you, so it's best to come clean before it bites you in the ass. It takes some humility, but in the end more people will respect you for it.

I agree with you 100%. He hasn't been playing this thing properly at all. He needs to make his change the basis of his articles and arguments all the time. Humility it will take. Hopefully he will truly learn from this.

 

[Moon_frogger]

if you have go back to someone's college exploits from 2006 to find dirt in order to defend someone saying and doing shitty things now you should probably log off online and reflect on your life.
The whole point of all of this Is that people can change. I'll forgive you for remarks you Made 13 years ago. I'll also call you out for shit you said yesterday and then double down on today. That's not hypocritical

 

[WAR recon zero]

12 year old tumblr on a frat boy

You guys are really desperate and I don't even like Keplek.

 

[infinitys_7th]

12 year old tumblr on a frat boy

You guys are really desperate and I don't even like Keplek.

I mean, if you work to get someone fired over petty shit, you ought to expect people to pull out petty shit on you.

 

[bitbydeath]

if you have go back to someone's college exploits from 2006 to find dirt in order to defend someone saying and doing shitty things now you should probably log off online and reflect on your life.
The whole point of all of this Is that people can change. I'll forgive you for remarks you Made 13 years ago. I'll also call you out for shit you said yesterday and then double down on today. That's not hypocritical

It's been mentioned a million times already, it's not about what he has posted.
It is about how horrible he currently is by bullying others and trying to get them fired.

 

[WAR recon zero]

I mean, if you work to get someone fired over petty shit, you ought to expect people to pull out petty shit on you.

You have a point.

Then, this witchunt reeks.

Is gaf championing Ian Miles?

 

[nicoga3000]

It's been mentioned a million times already, it's not about what he has posted.
It is about how horrible he currently is by bullying others and trying to get them fired.

I'm too drunk to read this entire thread right now.

Based solely off of your post...

I think we've all done stupid shit in our past. I'm 31 and did REALLY dumb shit when I was 16-17. None of it is online because social media wasn't nearly as big then as it is now. But still. I am not the same person I was then. So that's a plus on Klepek.

However.

If what you're saying is true, about him being a bully and trying to use his "name" to get people fired? Fuck him. I used to like him on the Bombcast. He was a breath of fresh air from Jeff and Vinny. But man...

 

[Rekki-Maru]

I respected this guy up until i learned how hard he went at the FGC and Aris years ago. He landed another planet fucked shit up because he didn't like the way it smelt, and left..leaving all the drama in his wake..no fucks given just off to the next adventure.

 

[Xaero Gravity]

Wasn't the stuff Patrick was digging up on whomever a week or so old? If so, then I'd say this is a different case as these were things done 12 or 13 years ago. People can drastically change in that timeframe. That being said, he kind of brought it on himself. But unfortunately in today's climate, it's all about an eye for an eye.

 

[Kururu]

12 year old tumblr on a frat boy

You guys are really desperate and I don't even like Keplek.

Just a fair warning: if you don't like the topic, please don't post. There's lots of other topics to post in that may fit your want. But there's no reason to borderline insults part of the community for caring about something others may not.

 

[Dunki]

Wasn't the stuff Patrick was digging up on whomever a week or so old? If so, then I'd say this is a different case as these were things done 12 or 13 years ago. People can drastically change in that timeframe. That being said, he kind of brought it on himself. But unfortunately in today's climate, it's all about an eye for an eye.

And so can this thorrin guy or PewdiePie who did change a lot after proposing to Marzia. People change all the time the problem I have with Patrick is that he has not the same standards for himself he want or demand others to have.

And therefore he wanted to use his media presence and power to get people fred he disagreed with. This thorrin guy can like Alex Jones as much as he wants to this is still not a reason to fire him.

mckmas8808 No this is the exact thing I thought about him personality wise. I never want such a person as a friend because he is the kind of person who would backstab you on the spot for having different political believes. To me he is an asshole. I was ok back at Giantbomb. a bit annoying but ok. But since he is at waypoint he went into a way more radical direction missusing his media presence to get people fired, to stir outrage and to push his political agenda

 

[5secondrulesucks]

if there is one thing i love is hypocrisy and i also love when journalists try and defend someone they like when they did something shitty and turn on anyone who, pretty much did the same shit.

but the main point should be as so many people are defending this dork is that people should get a second chance or that in the past if they were an ass then that shouldnt define them as a person later in life especially if what they do now is more "productive" or whatever you want to call it. if that is true then all the people who are hunted down now on twitter or any other platform should be able to reconcile but as we have all seen that isnt so.

i think its funny that people who are defending this guy wouldnt bat an eye at destroying someones well being if they made a shitty twitter joke. its kind of a reap what you sow situation and i definitely love when someone likes to ruin other peoples life gets a rude awakening

 

[AV]

Doesn't take a detective to find evidence of Klepek being a giant hypocrite over the years. Shit, to test the theory I went to his Twitter to find he'd retweeted a body-shaming tweet days ago. Do I care about body shaming? Not in the slightest. I think it's ridiculous to pretend fat people aren't unhealthy. But they care, his circle of sensitive buddies. I wonder if this'll blow up on him at all?

 

[WAR recon zero]

Just a fair warning: if you don't like the topic, please don't post. There's lots of other topics to post in that may fit your want. But there's no reason to borderline insults part of the community for caring about something others may not.

So do you want a discussion or not.

This is a topic and i disagree with it and i am voicing my disagreement. This is not a drive by.

If i am infriging a rule please state which and ban me.

 

[Scopa]

So do you want a discussion or not.

This is a topic and i disagree with it and i am voicing my disagreement. This is not a drive by.

If i am infriging a rule please state which and ban me.

You are not making a discussion. The bulk of your recent posts are drive by snark at best.

A logical person would deduce that you are not here to have a discussion, but are here to shitpost.

As fatty Austin says: "do better". Or if you don't want to, then take it on the chin.

 

[Coolio McAwesome]

Patrick Klepek is obviously a piece of shit, but I think it's important to address why so many self-righteous hacks end up being guilty of the very things they speak out against.

Most gaming journalist are full of hate. They hate video games, they hate the people that play them, and they hate themselves for working in an industry that they feel is beneath them. They can't come to terms with their own self-hatred, so they attack people who have similar qualities. It's safe to assume that most gaming journalists who start self-righteous crusades are probably guilty of the very actions their crusading against.

Hypocrisy is really just a form of self-hatred.

 

[WAR recon zero]

You are not making a discussion. The bulk of your recent posts are drive by snark at best.

A logical person would deduce that you are not here to have a discussion, but are here to shitpost.

As fatty Austin says: "do better". Or if you don't want to, then take it on the chin.

Nah I just have a different opinion

 

[Scopa]

Nah I just have a different opinion

Well, you are extremely shit at expressing said opinion.

 

[fantomena]

Most gaming journalist are full of hate. They hate video games, they hate the people that play them, and they hate themselves for working in an industry that they feel is beneath them. They can't come to terms with their own self-hatred, so they attack people who have similar qualities. It's safe to assume that most gaming journalists who start self-righteous crusades are probably guilty of the very actions their crusading against.

What is this. Like, what?

 

[Jmarshall]

It's quite pathetic to try and stir this witch hunt up against him, for decade old posts that he's outgrown.

 

[ReBurn]

Yes! This is 100% exactly what he is claiming on the WayPoint podcast. You understand it 100%. I don't buy it either, but who's to say?



I agree with you 100%. He hasn't been playing this thing properly at all. He needs to make his change the basis of his articles and arguments all the time. Humility it will take. Hopefully he will truly learn from this.

The problem is that he is playing this. He's not being genuine. People who say they're sorry for doing bad things and then appoint themselves judge, jury and executioner of everyone else who does those things are hypocrites. It doesn't matter if they say that they've changed. An apology and a promise to never do it again doesn't give him any sort of moral high ground to judge people from.

The best people like this can do is to spend their time helping other people who also want to change. Instead he tries to get people fired for it. Him facing this scrutiny is just him getting what he deserves.

 

[InterMusketeer]

It's quite pathetic to try and stir a witch hunt up against anyone.

Fixed that for ya.

 

[ReBurn]

It's quite pathetic to try and stir this witch hunt up against him, for decade old posts that he's outgrown.

I disagree. Why does he get to outgrow his bad behavior but the people he shames and vilifies deserve to lose their jobs? At some point in his life he was just like they are. Should he get to assassinate their character and threaten their future when he never had to face those repercussions for what he did?

 

[mckmas8808]

You have a point.

Then, this witchunt reeks.

Is gaf championing Ian Miles?

Yes! Many of them love Ian Miles.

 

[48086]

"It's only ok if we do it to people we don't like but you can't do it to us because 'we changed hurr durr'"

 

[DeepEnigma]

Doesn't take a detective to find evidence of Klepek being a giant hypocrite over the years. Shit, to test the theory I went to his Twitter to find he'd retweeted a body-shaming tweet days ago. Do I care about body shaming? Not in the slightest. I think it's ridiculous to pretend fat people aren't unhealthy. But they care, his circle of sensitive buddies. I wonder if this'll blow up on him at all?

It won't because it is a white male.

 

[J-Rod]

I loathe the idea that it is ok to furiously dig through a person's posts/social media/personal history to tattle on them and get them fired from their job and their name shamed on the internet.

But, the only way this sort of thing will ever stop is if the instigators of it are paid back in their own coin.

 

[The Wise Old Man]

I've said it before, and it absolutely bears repeating here:

The gaming press HATES its audience.

The only purpose the audience serves is being a group of people that gaming press can talk down to, while proudly and loudly proclaiming its position of power. They hate you slightly less when you agree with them, or if you praise them, but the hate still burns.

The gaming press doesn't exist without us, the audience. So if the press really feels it's their social responsibility to interject social and political discourse into any and every discussion thread then at some point (soon) they're going to piss off the wrong demographic and it's going to cost them revenue. And I've got news for you, the companies that own these gaming press outlets won't stand for that kind of nonsense.

The problem that worries me is how far the other way the pendulum will swing (and swing the other way it will). These people are playing with fire by infecting the discourse with these sociopolitical sideshows. Eventually they will be told by someone in a higher place of power to shut the fuck up and get back to rating video games. Trust me on this.

 

[JimmyJones]

The whole point of all of this Is that people can change.

People don't change that much. He is the same as he always was, he's just putting on a front.

 

[demigod]

I'm too drunk to read this entire thread right now.

Based solely off of your post...

I think we've all done stupid shit in our past. I'm 31 and did REALLY dumb shit when I was 16-17. None of it is online because social media wasn't nearly as big then as it is now. But still. I am not the same person I was then. So that's a plus on Klepek.

However.

If what you're saying is true, about him being a bully and trying to use his "name" to get people fired? Fuck him. I used to like him on the Bombcast. He was a breath of fresh air from Jeff and Vinny. But man...

How does one person change from being a creep to covering their eyes in a video game that's only showing covered boobs? Ain't gunna happen.

 

[Tupinambis_WOT]

Oh fuck me I forgot about this thread.

Find an instance of what? Patrick creating drama so he can get someone fired? He is doing that right now.

What exactly are you defending?

No, of him making rape jokes and shit.

You're leaving out a significant detail in that Klepek was actively pushing to get a person separated from his employer, overstepping his role as a member of the press to pursue a role in what he perceives to be social justice.

When you start playing judge, jury, and executioner in a social justice vigilante role, you had better make damned sure that you're background is squeaky fucking clean— but the side that you chose to back is going to have enemies on the opposite side who will stop at nothing to take you down in response.

Klepek might arguably be a "better person" now— which is debatable at best, given his lack of tolerance and his actions here— but that doesn't explain away stupid shit he did... even if people want to frame such behavior as things college-age people do. As an adult, you're still responsible for your actions, and that includes whatever you decide to post on the internet. The idea of giving adults excuses/mulligans because they're in college is, frankly, bullshit. There's generally at least 18 years of life to act stupidly before going to college. You make your mistakes and learn from them then. Plenty of other college kids don't post images like Klepek's and joke about rape, and many didn't back then, either.

Besides, this is all ado about nothing. None of Klepek's colleagues in the gaming press have dared to run this story, and he'll be shielded by them from any outside criticism. Gaming press takes care of its own.

Find an instance of what? Patrick creating drama so he can get someone fired? He is doing that right now.

What exactly are you defending?

Klip Klop is trying to get some dude fired. That doesn't make him a better person. He's still a fucking sack of shit but in a different way.

Patrick is writing much worse shit today than any of those old tweets and attempts at humor. He's writing hitpieces to fuck with someones livelihood

Almost the entire take on why Klepek is bad is that he's trying to get someone fired, which is rather explicitly not what he's trying to do. I can't imagine many people on this thread listened to the Waypoint podcast about this exact issue ["Its pseudointellectual" and blah blah blah], but the main takeaway from it is that Klepek is not trying to get the guy fired. He's trying to leverage with the employer to try and get Thorn to cut it with the racist jokes and shit.

 

[Pumpkin Seeds]

He hasn't changed. The nature of his attack pieces and writing reveal that he's still an asshole. He doesn't get it. He projects himself onto others and uses this as motivation to attack them for being "unrefined" like him.

It's the tactics not the targets exxy boy.

 

[Dreadstar]

So Patrick got outted for racism and all his gaming prss buddies turned their heads and ignored it.

Who would could have imagined?

 

[brap]

He's trying to leverage with the employer to try and get Thorn to cut it with the racist jokes and shit.

Patrick should learn to mind his own business before someone snaps his scrawny neck. And who the fuck made him the moral police anyway? He's such a holier than thou cunt I swear.

 

[prag16]

He's trying to leverage with the employer to try and get Thorn to cut it with the racist jokes and shit.

 

[nicoga3000]

How does one person change from being a creep to covering their eyes in a video game that's only showing covered boobs? Ain't gunna happen.

I don't think I understand your response to my post. Can you clarify/elaborate?

I should update my post to say I have NO idea what I was saying when I said "good on Klepek", haha. Gin flowing through my veins.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

the main takeaway from it is that Klepek is not trying to get the guy fired. He's trying to leverage with the employer to try and get Thorn to cut it with the racist jokes and shit.

So the employer does... what about it? They listen to Klepek... or else what? Doxxed? That just happened to a CDPR employee.

You're not really thinking this through, are you?

 

[Tupinambis_WOT]

So the employer does... what about it? They listen to Klepek... or else what? Doxxed? That just happened to a CDPR employee.

You're not really thinking this through, are you?

Its not complicated. Employer just makes a deal "You said dumb shit before, we're gonna hire you, don't say dumb shit anymore while you're employed with us". Its probably the same deal Roseanne Barr had with ABC.

 

[oagboghi2]

but the main takeaway from it is that Klepek is not trying to get the guy fired. He's trying to leverage with the employer to try and get Thorn to cut it with the racist jokes and shit.

And you bought that?

"Hell guys, look I'm not trying to start a witch hunt mob. I just want to round up a few guys, grab some pitchforks, light some torches, and talk to the people I don't like."

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

Its not complicated. Employer just makes a deal "You said dumb shit before, we're gonna hire you, don't say dumb shit anymore while you're employed with us". Its probably the same deal Roseanne Barr had with ABC.

Okay, but what if they fire him instead? Would you lay the blame at Klepek's feet?

You're really working hard to carry water for a guy who is part of a movement that doxxes its opponents and attempts to destroy their lives for the sake of political ideology. Sorry, but I don't have much charity in my heart for that, nor will I give him the benefit of the doubt that "he doesn't want him FIRED, he just... y'know... was nicely asking... publicly... in front of his rabid mob of followers... if the company could please tell him to cut it out".

Geez. You're really limber from all those mental gymnastics. The plain truth of the matter is that Klepek is a hypocrite and got found out. Oops!

 

[Tupinambis_WOT]

Okay, but what if they fire him instead? Would you lay the blame at Klepek's feet?

You're really working hard to carry water for a guy who is part of a movement that doxxes its opponents and attempts to destroy their lives for the sake of political ideology. Sorry, but I don't have much charity in my heart for that, nor will I give him the benefit of the doubt that "he doesn't want him FIRED, he just... y'know... was nicely asking... publicly... in front of his rabid mob of followers... if the company could please tell him to cut it out".

Geez. You're really limber from all those mental gymnastics. The plain truth of the matter is that Klepek is a hypocrite and got found out. Oops!

No, because none of this was secret or well hidden. Thorn should either not have gotten hired in the first place or be given the chance to screw up again. This is all stuff that Thorn's employer should have known or probably did know ahead of time. I'd get your point if Klepek was actually DIGGING up dirt on people, but he's not. Not in this case anyway. All this crap about Thorn is publicly available; don't even pretend that this is comparable to the kind of shit Milo did.

Speaking of Milo, that's actually a good comparison. Milo got dumped by the RNC as their symbolic token-homosexual figurehead because of shit he himself said publicly. It wasn't because people were digging into his past or any crap like that. If Thorn gets fired its not going to be because of anything Patrick did, or in any case its not going to be his fault.

 

[oagboghi2]

No, because none of this was secret or well hidden. Thorn should either not have gotten hired in the first place or be given the chance to screw up again. This is all stuff that Thorn's employer should have known or probably did know ahead of time. I'd get your point if Klepek was actually DIGGING up dirt on people, but he's not. Not in this case anyway. All this crap about Thorn is publicly available; don't even pretend that this is comparable to the kind of shit Milo did.

Speaking of Milo, that's actually a good comparison. Milo got dumped by the RNC as their symbolic token-homosexual figurehead because of shit he himself said publicly. It wasn't because people were digging into his past or any crap like that. If Thorn gets fired its not going to be because of anything Patrick did, or in any case its not going to be his fault.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

No, because none of this was secret or well hidden. Thorn should either not have gotten hired in the first place or be given the chance to screw up again. This is all stuff that Thorn's employer should have known or probably did know ahead of time. I'd get your point if Klepek was actually DIGGING up dirt on people, but he's not. Not in this case anyway. All this crap about Thorn is publicly available; don't even pretend that this is comparable to the kind of shit Milo did.

Speaking of Milo, that's actually a good comparison. Milo got dumped by the RNC as their symbolic token-homosexual figurehead because of shit he himself said publicly. It wasn't because people were digging into his past or any crap like that. If Thorn gets fired its not going to be because of anything Patrick did, or in any case its not going to be his fault.

He's not digging up dirt. He's just searching through people's social media records and then deletes a ton of his own prior to publishing the article bringing it to everyone's attention. But! That was only because he wanted to talk to his employer and get them to force him to cut it out. But not fire him!

Got it.

 

[Tupinambis_WOT]

He's not digging up dirt. He's just searching through people's social media records and then deletes a ton of his own prior to publishing the article bringing it to everyone's attention. But! That was only because he wanted to talk to his employer and get them to force him to cut it out. But not fire him!

Got it.

He's not even doing that. All of this has been reported by other people already. If anything its just a lazy compilation of previous news.

 

[drotahorror]

O
Almost the entire take on why Klepek is bad is that he's trying to get someone fired, which is rather explicitly not what he's trying to do. I can't imagine many people on this thread listened to the Waypoint podcast about this exact issue ["Its pseudointellectual" and blah blah blah], but the main takeaway from it is that Klepek is not trying to get the guy fired. He's trying to leverage with the employer to try and get Thorn to cut it with the racist jokes and shit.

I never use gifs to portray my response but this fits

 

[Redneckerz]

Having seen the pictures and Klepek's sudden removal of tweets, well, yeah. I reckon he really was not aware that stuff was still available online.

As for the deleted tweets: I feel they are too coincidental. That's just me.

The golden rule still remains: Don't treat your social media (Twitter, or in this case Flickr) as your private ground when the stuff you post is public. Its a state of mind that sadly a lot of folks seem to not make.*

*Its also why i am not on Twitter, except for a forum-run account.