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angelfly said:
Book files are not too large plus I imagine some deal was hammered out for % of sales maybe. DLing books is not same as online gaming :/
Nikkei: PSP2 to sport 3g connectivity, OLED touchscreen
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Book files are not too large plus I imagine some deal was hammered out for % of sales maybe. DLing books is not same as online gaming :/
FoneBone said:
Are there people still doubting PSP2 will have games?
Really? You think Sony would pursue this without a care for whether devs and pubs were on board? If the likes of Shuhei Yoshida are to believed then Sony consults with these parties more than ever before now in the gestation of new hardware (something they didn't so much do with Kutaragi - and yet somehow Sony managed to drum up support still).H_Prestige
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Firewire said:
People are in panic mode right now and aren't thinking clearly.
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Amir0x said:
Well, we know that Sony is not going to sell it for loss at the very least. All this new tech will have its price passed onto the consumer.
Will Sony have a two-tiered system? It is possible. Of course, Sony will gain more economies of scale if they just made a standard system.
FoneBone said:
Best case scenario: if the PSP2 manages to have as big and good of library as the PSP1 did but with PSP2 tech and controls...I'd be thrilled.
Worst Case scenario: I think it'll have about half the library or less that the PSP has by the end of its life. There will still be good 1st party games and some good 3rd party games, but if PSP2 becomes way more niche than PSP1, the software support will be minimal from 3rd parties.
Hopefully it ends up somewhere between.
angelfly said:
Book are tiny as you might imagine and part of the cost of a kindle book covers the bandwidth. Otherwise Kindles have slow as shit web browsers and that bandwidth is part of the unit price. If PSP2 is a DD-only system then Sony can absorb bandwidth to the store (because they can more easily make sales) and pay the bandwidth for game downloads the same way as Kindle. Multiplayer and what-not will pretty much have to be paid service, the money to cover that has to come from somewhere.
Drinky Crow
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as long as they avoid the psp's two big weaknesses:
1) sloppy downports from superior console versions
2) shitty disc media with the attendant load times and power drain
then WIN PLUS. the psp shits all over the ds when it comes to its library.
1) sloppy downports from superior console versions
2) shitty disc media with the attendant load times and power drain
then WIN PLUS. the psp shits all over the ds when it comes to its library.
thefro said:
They have a bunch of new studios that have been working on unnannounced things, which are almost certainly psp2 projects. There's at least Tarsier, the second Guerrilla Games studio and I guess Bend and Cambridge. And those are just first party studios. Japan Studio should be on board in full force too. I don't want to speculate on price because I honestly have no idea what they will do, but I am pretty certain the system will have a formidable launch lineup.
Mr_Brit said:
Are you kidding?
The speculation for PSP 2 now includes ->
Near PS3 level tech
A touch OLED screen
3G
A back touch screen
Magic, Fairy Dust and Unicorns included in first shipment
The chances of a shrunk down near PS3 level device with a touch OLED screen at anything other than well over $300 is just nonsense.
Saint Gregory
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Given that 3G (at least in the US) is soon going to obsolete I don't think that it's unreasonable that Sony could partner with mobile providers and bundle the cost into software the way that Amazon does with their Kindle books.
People here are assuming that since PS3 was high tech and had a high launch price and PSP 2 is high tech that it will also have a high launch price when they can't provide any sliver of evidence to backup their points. Many gaffers have posted reasoned arguments as to why they think this thing will have a reasonable price, it's time for the other side to do the same.H_Prestige said:
SpacePirate Ridley
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I dont know why, but this has massive failure written all over it.
That is if the battery life is bad and the price disorbital like it seems it will be, if sony has some magic card up their sleeve, maybe it will sell like hotcakes, but right now...
Im not even trying to think about the costs of making games (and the price they will have in stores) and if they companies are going to jump making games for it if it doesnt sell well the first months becuase of the price, and when is going to be sold, becuase maybe by the time it arrives, the 3ds will have eaten all the market (if it sells like hotcakes).
Do we know even if, apart from sony, someone more are making games for it? honest question here.
That is if the battery life is bad and the price disorbital like it seems it will be, if sony has some magic card up their sleeve, maybe it will sell like hotcakes, but right now...
Im not even trying to think about the costs of making games (and the price they will have in stores) and if they companies are going to jump making games for it if it doesnt sell well the first months becuase of the price, and when is going to be sold, becuase maybe by the time it arrives, the 3ds will have eaten all the market (if it sells like hotcakes).
Do we know even if, apart from sony, someone more are making games for it? honest question here.
EmSeta said:
Depends on the variant used, your network and your game. Latency is certainly higher but may be OK for some types of game depending on your network.
I'm almost more curious what it implies, perhaps, about other apps - web browsing etc. and what kind of software will be available there. I think Sony is also keen to have always-connected devices because it is easier to maintain a relationship with a customer on these kinds of devices and to promote user activity.
Drinky Crow
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3g radios are a trivial cost. oled depends on the resolution of the panel, and the price of the graphics chipset depends on whether it is an existing product or a custom one that requires new fab.
I'm sure they have support in place, absolutely, but I'm really talking about the longer-term picture.gofreak said:Are there people still doubting PSP2 will have games?
Pretty much this, in my book.Bebpo said:
Supervlieg
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Its gonna be cheaper then you think, but youre gonna pay a monthly fee for the network. So I think 299 plus 30 a month. So it's gonna be 599 plus in the long run. That shit works for apple though.
This is getting more and more bizarre, at this rate we are going to get a PS3-style launch announcement where Sony show a load of CG games and promise it will cure cancer.
Touchscreen = good. Assuming it goes back to being a slider, touchscreen + slider made by far the most sense.
OLED = good, although it's not ideal at all when playing outside.
3G will only work if there is no ongoing charge/contract for the consumer. People aren't going to take out another contract for just a handheld console, this sounds like they are going after the iPad where a monthly charge is seen as viable because it does everything. People are so tied into the iTunes culture though, it's a big gamble.
They could try something more radical, where there is no monthly charge but they match the pricing of games to retail but give the network carrier the retail slice of the profits. Big games would probably be restricted to wi-fi download anyway, like the iPhone. Even still though you have the bandwidth required for online gaming which is loads more than say Kindle.
Price is going to be $399 at this rate, this is old-school Sony throwing everything at something tech-wise to compete.
Touchscreen = good. Assuming it goes back to being a slider, touchscreen + slider made by far the most sense.
OLED = good, although it's not ideal at all when playing outside.
3G will only work if there is no ongoing charge/contract for the consumer. People aren't going to take out another contract for just a handheld console, this sounds like they are going after the iPad where a monthly charge is seen as viable because it does everything. People are so tied into the iTunes culture though, it's a big gamble.
They could try something more radical, where there is no monthly charge but they match the pricing of games to retail but give the network carrier the retail slice of the profits. Big games would probably be restricted to wi-fi download anyway, like the iPhone. Even still though you have the bandwidth required for online gaming which is loads more than say Kindle.
Price is going to be $399 at this rate, this is old-school Sony throwing everything at something tech-wise to compete.
H_Prestige
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Mr_Brit said:
I don't think this will be cheap at retail, I just don't think the build costs will be ludicrous like some seem to think.
Depends. Samsung's SAMOLED does not wash out and is as 'good' outside as the iphone 4.
gregor7777
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I'll take a stab at price.
$399. And I can't imagine Sony will be making EDIT:much off that.
Sounds like a hell of a machine though. I'm jealous of those of you who are able to afford it.
$399. And I can't imagine Sony will be making EDIT:much off that.
Sounds like a hell of a machine though. I'm jealous of those of you who are able to afford it.
Seriously, if so nooooooTTP said:So the back touch pad was a fake rumor? Or will it have both?
To support 3G and not have phone functionality sounds like a waste tho.
I seriously want that backpad, what about 3D tho :/
Also, this shit can cost 600 to me, hearing OLED just made me cream my pants. Wonder what else it has
ShockingAlberto
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Why does everyone here think $250 is the manufacturing cost for this?
Is there actual information or is it just someone upthread said it as a spin and now everyone is taking that as gospel?
Is there actual information or is it just someone upthread said it as a spin and now everyone is taking that as gospel?
Castor Krieg
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Stupid decision. Stick to plain Wi-Fi with HotSpot usage, every game for infrastructure mode, etc. 3G has too much lag to support online gaming.
3G alone is going to add probably 100 dollars onto the device with Sony having to share a cut of profits to maintain access.
This new gen of handhelds is entering a whole new world of raping the wallet.
People somehow think Sony is going to match the 3DS price regardless of how expensive it is to make the PSP2. Cause we all know sony wants to get rid of the profitable PSP to start losing 300 bucks per PSP2
This new gen of handhelds is entering a whole new world of raping the wallet.
ShockingAlberto said:
People somehow think Sony is going to match the 3DS price regardless of how expensive it is to make the PSP2. Cause we all know sony wants to get rid of the profitable PSP to start losing 300 bucks per PSP2
Ninja Kn1ght
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Wow, this sounds like an amazing device. Can't help but fear it could wind up being a financial disaster though. Anything over $299 is a major risk. As we've clearly seen from the success or the Wii and DS, most consumer are not driven primarily by graphics, and the 3DS with it's unique 3D display is going to have a lot of hype behind it. Still though, I'm excited by what we're hearing of PSP2, bring on the announcement!
Glad to hear they might be including 3G, as least one SKU pretty much needs it.
Glad to hear they might be including 3G, as least one SKU pretty much needs it.
Yeah, most of what you've posted is just illinformed which is mainly due to idiotic journalists and their ridicluous hyperbole, we won't get anything near PS3 specs in this machine. Seriously, wait for some more technically minded people to come in here and bust down journalists who claim that any mobile device can get near PS3 power. If you want you can read several posts outlining what I've said in more detail by technically minded gaffers in previous PSP 2 threads.Amir0x said:
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Captain N said:
Flash memory most likely in addition to download.
Mr_Brit said:
Um, not only journalists but DEVELOPERS are saying the same thing. Many.
Much of what you're trying to poo-poo is ridiculous. An touch OLED screen is actually very expensive, relative to the costs of other parts. I know exactly how much it costs on average, and without knowing the specifics of the PSP 2's screen let's just say that average is quite pricey.
Saint Gregory
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Actually, I didn't think about it before but I think he might be right. It's been a long time since I took networking but IIRC 3G is designed to inherently give priority to voice packets over data packets. I'm not sure if that's really applicable here though since it could be using something other than pure 3G.gofreak said: