Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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bitbydeath said:
Everyone knows that if you're wrong you would just vanish from the site. You can't hold people accountable for that bet unlessyou know them in real life.
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I've been on this site for 16 years, three times longer than him.

If I can put my account up for a perma-ban bet (result of not honoring the bet), he can to.
 
Insane Metal said:
Klee and Osiris have stated both are >10TFs. Some other journalist said PS5 devkit was 13TF.

Klee and Osiris have also stated both are very close in power, but Osiris said PS5 > XSX while Klee said XSX > PS5.
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Thanks Metal (I captured your correction post).

If anyone else has claims they remember (and from who), please share. Anyone know who said the +/- 10% claim?

Guy who leaked Oberon specs (from around spring 2019) = 9.2TF

Klee: More than 10TF, PS5 > XSX by 5% (none over 11TF). Lockhart model cancelled
Osiris: More than 10TF. PS5 > XSX
Un-named journalist: 13TF devkit

Matt from Reeee (I think Matt the moderator, not Matt the NPD guy)
Jason Scheier
Tim Dog
 
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David Ricardo said:
Kleegamefan just confirmed on the other site that oberon specs don't match the specs he has for PS5.

in the past he said PS5 is slightly more powerful than Series X, and in december he said Series X is 12 TF RDNA.
So, if he isn't just another fake insider, PS5 should be over 12 teraflops.
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Yeah basically nothing has changed since E3. PS5 > XSX 😴

Console main specs are always locked in way ahead of launch. Only very minor clock tweaks have been possible up to this point and into Nov.
 
Insane Metal said:
Really? I could swear I saw him saying XSX was stronger by a small margin?

So I got it wrong, both saying PS5 > XSX?
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Yep. But we have a good poster here that guesses (educated, I assume) it's probably xsx>ps5.

Regardless, I think it won't matter who has the crown. Game pass is intriguing- I can probably play MS games on my PC.
I'll buy a ps5 for first party stuff from them
 
Insane Metal said:
Really? I could swear I saw him saying XSX was stronger by a small margin?

So I got it wrong, both saying PS5 > XSX?
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Wanna play devil's advocate for a second...

When the journalists and insiders were saying PS5 > XSX in TFs, were they basing that on GCN? They started throwing the numbers around well before the TGA's and even when MS revealed XSX many were still saying they based the statements on RDNA efficiency improvements, not raw numbers.

There's some still thinking that right now which is understandable but the APU pictures and analysis from others pretty much are backing up the 12TF RDNA (with RDNA2 features...that's my own opinion on that one), but I'm just curious if those earlier PS5/XSX comparisons and 13/12 TF numbers were them going off GCN equivalents and not RDNA.

RasAlGhoul said:
thicc_girls_are_teh_best thicc_girls_are_teh_best I'm well aware of all of that. I'll still keep being interested in the moneyhats. Any of them for that matter if it makes you feel better.

It's speculation in a thread that is literally nothing but.
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No need to worry about my feelings, I've got no dog in this race over two pieces of plastic ;). Just wanted to offer my own perspective on the nature of moneyhats is all.
 
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TLZ said:
If power matters then why didn't it matter to you and played it down with the Xbox One and PS4 you dick? If hypocrisy had a name, it's TimDog.
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Timdog is a flip flopper. Just ignore him.

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I really wish they would just release full specs now. We would get a month or two of crazy console warring, then it would die down and we could concentrate on speculating about upcoming games.
 
Insane Metal said:
Klee and Osiris have stated both are >10TFs. Some other journalist said PS5 devkit was 13TF.

Klee and Osiris have also stated both are very close in power, but Osiris said PS5 > XSX while Klee said XSX > PS5.
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Klee also said PS5>XSX
It was Matt the one who said that if he had to make an educated guess, he would guess XSX would come out on top. To me it sounds like they all have the same specs, PS5 is slightly more powerful and Matt expects MS to adjust clocks to surpass PS5 in teraflops.
 
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vpance said:
Yeah basically nothing has changed since E3. PS5 > XSX 😴

Console main specs are always locked in way ahead of launch. Only very minor clock tweaks have been possible up to this point and into Nov.
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I think Klee's a good guy (p.s, big GameFan fan ;), but it's always possible that his source could be wrong. If we can entertain the idea the Github leak could be wrong, we should also be able to entertain that some of the insiders could ultimately be wrong too, on both sides.

Wouldn't mean they weren't legit, but you also can't control the legitimacy of your sources. It's like 4D level chess.
 
I need to know if the feet on the system will cause wobble and if Sony will be ensuring thumbsticks On DualShock 5 start to break down shortly after launch. Neeed info!!!
 
David Ricardo said:
Klee also said PS5>XSX
It was Matt the one who said that if he had to make an educated guess, he would guess XSX would come out on top. To me it sounds like they all have the same specs, PS5 is slightly more powerful and Matt expects MS to adjust clocks to surpass PS5 in teraflops.
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To me all these insider information reaffirms one thing. Both MS and Sony have been tweaking these consoles to squeeze out the last bit of performance with both having the same raw power baseline.
It would be really pointless to compare them if both are within %5 of each other. Though that won't stop the fanboys from console warring over that 5% difference.
I wonder what would be the next battleground in Digital Foundry videos. Texture's on blades of grass? lol
 
thicc_girls_are_teh_best said:
I think Klee's a good guy (p.s, big GameFan fan ;), but it's always possible that his source could be wrong. If we can entertain the idea the Github leak could be wrong, we should also be able to entertain that some of the insiders could ultimately be wrong too, on both sides.

Wouldn't mean they weren't legit, but you also can't control the legitimacy of your sources. It's like 4D level chess.
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I think all the insiders are working off the same info, which was "disseminated" at the time of E3. Basically it was a spec sheet. Maybe the same one handed off to devs. The same list Pachter mentions. Anwyays there hasn't really been split camps of differing leaks, starting from Reiner.
 
I'll go for some mental gymnastics here, bare with me. Like I said before, Osiris gave us two numbers: 11.6 and 12.4. Since both he and Klee said PS5>XSX, let's say it's PS5 12.4 and XSX 11.6.

Trying to find a match:

PS5 at 12.4TF = 44CUs@2.2Ghz or 48CUs@2.02Ghz or 52CUs@1.86Ghz. 36CUs won't make it unless you go over 2.5Ghz which makes no sense.
XSX at 11.6TF = 52CUs@1.74Ghz or 56CUs@1.62Ghz.

If the RT rumor is to be believed, Sony might have gotten closer to 44 or 48CUs to save space for RT cores while MS went for a larger die with more CUs to brute force RT using those extra CUs.

Edit: I also believe the CPU will be based on the 4800U/H with 30-45W TDP.
 
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Hawking Radiation said:
To me all these insider information reaffirms one thing. Both MS and Sony have been tweaking these consoles to squeeze out the last bit of performance with both having the same raw power baseline.
It would be really pointless to compare them if both are within %5 of each other. Though that won't stop the fanboys from console warring over that 5% difference.
I wonder what would be the next battleground in Digital Foundry videos. Texture's on blades of grass? lol
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Fanboys who expect next gen to be another 1080p vs 900p/720p or GTAV GrassGate scenario are delusional. It's all going to come down to how developers decide to use the power.
 
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It is pretty clear how much room they have to improve performance per watt when nVidia in a old node is over 30% more efficient.

AMD still have a lot of work to do to improve that performance per watt.
 
ethomaz said:
It is pretty clear how much room they have to improve performance per watt when nVidia in a old node is over 30% more efficient.

AMD still have a lot of work to do to improve that performance per watt.
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I have no doubt Ampere is going to drop an 8800 level domination as soon as the new consoles are out.

But it's a console, APU was probably a requirement, so we get what we get and devs optimize for it.
 
Guess with Series X only having one HDMI port they really don't have any hard future proof plans for external VR/AR devices. I would hope that the PS5 includes two so one could be used directly for PSVR without a relay box.
 
CRUNT said:
Guess with Series X only having one HDMI port they really don't have any hard future proof plans for external VR/AR devices. I would hope that the PS5 includes two so one could be used directly for PSVR without a relay box.
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Can't you pass the signal through USBc? (Which is presumably on the front of the box?)
 
David Ricardo said:
Kleegamefan just confirmed on the other site that oberon specs don't match the specs he has for PS5.

in the past he said PS5 is slightly more powerful than Series X, and in december he said Series X is 12 TF RDNA.
So, if he isn't just another fake insider, PS5 should be over 12 teraflops.
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More reliable than the fake 9TFs.
 
StreetsofBeige said:
Klee was firm on Lockhart being cancelled? I'll add to my tracker.
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No. When people reported it was back on the plate, he said he was certain it was cancelled but if reports say otherwise, he'll take the L and eat crow.

You can see his replies in the threadmarks on reee "klee info v4"
 
Insane Metal said:
I'll go for some mental gymnastics here, bare with me. Like I said before, Osiris gave us two numbers: 11.6 and 12.4. Since both he and Klee said PS5>XSX, let's say it's PS5 12.4 and XSX 11.6.

Trying to find a match:

PS5 at 12.4TF = 44CUs@2.2Ghz or 48CUs@2.02Ghz or 52CUs@1.86Ghz. 36CUs won't make it unless you go over 2.5Ghz which makes no sense.
XSX at 11.6TF = 52CUs@1.74Ghz or 56CUs@1.62Ghz.

If the RT rumor is to be believed, Sony might have gotten closer to 44 or 48CUs to save space for RT cores while MS went for a larger die with more CUs to brute force RT using those extra CUs.

Edit: I also believe the CPU will be based on the 4800U/H with 30-45W TDP.
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how about 2X36 CU @ 1.66?
 
XcloudTimdog said:
No just calling out the obvious sony fanboys who said id be quiet. Orisis Black is bullshit , so is Klee. I told you all in June when you were dancing, xbox would be most powerful. Dont be mad because im looking right and the piece of plastic you pine for looks weaker.
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Do you want the bet or not?
 
Insane Metal said:
I'll go for some mental gymnastics here, bare with me. Like I said before, Osiris gave us two numbers: 11.6 and 12.4. Since both he and Klee said PS5>XSX, let's say it's PS5 12.4 and XSX 11.6.

Trying to find a match:

PS5 at 12.4TF = 44CUs@2.2Ghz or 48CUs@2.02Ghz or 52CUs@1.86Ghz. 36CUs won't make it unless you go over 2.5Ghz which makes no sense.
XSX at 11.6TF = 52CUs@1.74Ghz or 56CUs@1.62Ghz.

If the RT rumor is to be believed, Sony might have gotten closer to 44 or 48CUs to save space for RT cores while MS went for a larger die with more CUs to brute force RT using those extra CUs.

Edit: I also believe the CPU will be based on the 4800U/H with 30-45W TDP.
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Interesting post.

... so what if xbox starts overclocking?
 
XcloudTimdog said:
No just calling out the obvious sony fanboys who said id be quiet. Orisis Black is bullshit , so is Klee. I told you all in June when you were dancing, xbox would be most powerful. Dont be mad because im looking right and the piece of plastic you pine for looks weaker.
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Low quality post.
 
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