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Trainsmove
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Here's what I believe we will get from a PS5 GPU.
Almost 2 years ago a Rumor about PS5
And AMD in a joint venture on RDNA 1.0 navi. RDNA 1 is GCN/RDNA.
Why and who needs GCN as a part of it's architecture?
I would Argue it's Sony who needs this as apart of it's apu. It's the Easyest path to backwards Compatibility.
As you know there's many ways to achieve this goal. Ms is doing this with software recompile. Sony is using hardware, that's why you need GCN as a part of your architecture.
That link is the leak of PS5'S power modes, PS4 GHz , PS4 pro GHz setting, and even the price of the cooling system(hot).
GCN + navi RDNA 1.0.
Then we have ray tracing hardware that I guess will be from RDNA2. I don't know if VRS hardware will be apart of the GPU as MS has said that it's "patented" vrs technology. Of course they can design there own Solution.
GCN + RDNA 1.0 + RDNA2 ray tracing hardware.
This fills Sony order for a PS5.
Almost 2 years ago a Rumor about PS5
And AMD in a joint venture on RDNA 1.0 navi. RDNA 1 is GCN/RDNA.
Why and who needs GCN as a part of it's architecture?
I would Argue it's Sony who needs this as apart of it's apu. It's the Easyest path to backwards Compatibility.
As you know there's many ways to achieve this goal. Ms is doing this with software recompile. Sony is using hardware, that's why you need GCN as a part of your architecture.
That link is the leak of PS5'S power modes, PS4 GHz , PS4 pro GHz setting, and even the price of the cooling system(hot).
GCN + navi RDNA 1.0.
Then we have ray tracing hardware that I guess will be from RDNA2. I don't know if VRS hardware will be apart of the GPU as MS has said that it's "patented" vrs technology. Of course they can design there own Solution.
GCN + RDNA 1.0 + RDNA2 ray tracing hardware.
This fills Sony order for a PS5.
Matreios Raven
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Trainsmove
lol so 9.2 GCN TF! Okay, there.
Holy fucking shit!
If that’s the case, Sony should look into hiring better engineers.
lol so 9.2 GCN TF! Okay, there.
Holy fucking shit!
If that’s the case, Sony should look into hiring better engineers.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
This thread is turning into a mental asylum
Disco_
Member
Really doubt you'll make up that much of a compute disadvantage with memory bandwidth. If 9v12 is true, MS would have screw up pretty badly to starve the gpu of bandwidth. As it looks, there's a 320bit bus with a theoretical max of 560Gb/s which is somewhat low IIRC but not low enough where the system would be bandwidth starved. They can fix that by jumping up to the next tier of ram chips. Keep in mind, it looks like ram will be the costliest aspect of the upcoming consoles.
V4skunk
Banned
You realise that PS4 is x86 and so is PS5?
GPU architecture has almost zero impact on backwards compatibility! A simple patch is all that would be needed to get PS4 games on PS5.
Just think! PC has no problems when running games with different GPU's.
Matreios Raven
Member
Here is something I don’t understand. To those that are disregarding GitHub, yet still accept the 9.2 TF number, why?
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SportsFan581
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Could be NGDS, most common symptom is this:
Can occur on any number of specific next-gen topics.
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TLZ
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Moridianae
Member
No..I really don't think it flies this way, folks. I think the system will come in very damned close to the XSX.
If the system was around 11TF or 11.5, as some claim and Microsoft came in at 12TF, I could see them upclocking a smidge to pull even, because even though it's negligible, less is less to the untrained eye.
I think this will be the first generation where there is no discernable difference between the two systems.
If the system was around 11TF or 11.5, as some claim and Microsoft came in at 12TF, I could see them upclocking a smidge to pull even, because even though it's negligible, less is less to the untrained eye.
I think this will be the first generation where there is no discernable difference between the two systems.
3liteDragon
Member
Is there anyone on this thread that thinks there's still a slight chance for HBM2 RAM on PS5 or is it just me?
Neo Blaster
Member
They just got used to that number, and have no other to brag besides what insiders and devs say.
TLZ
Banned
Oh the true successor to the GameCube! Give me now!
Matreios Raven
Member
Okay. If the PS5 GPU turns out to have 54 CU’s and XSX GPU has 56 CU’s, does that make XSX GPU more powerful, or are there other variables to consider like clock speed?
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
clockspeed matters just as much as CU counts.
Matreios Raven
Member
Thanks for clarifying.
BattleScar
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This thread has rapidly degenerated.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Yes there other variables clock speed is one of them and also bandwidth .
For eg PS5 could be 11TF and be more powerful than the XB 12TF if looking at the whole system depending on factors.
3liteDragon
Member
And also depends on the cooling solution you have as well, like how that Bloomberg article mentions Sony spending more on an advanced cooling solution. This allows them to play around with the clocks more, and you have other factors such as the RAM, SSD, the "secret sauce" and etc.
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Neo Blaster
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You can increase clock speed to compensate for those 2 CUs, but you've got to consider thermals and yields.
Sosokrates
Report me if I continue to console war
I suspect ms will upclock if PS5 has more flops.
3liteDragon
Member
Also, what kind of "advanced" cooling solution do you guys think Sony is using that cost them "a few dollars" per unit?
Sosokrates
Report me if I continue to console war
Maybe Sony are spending more on a cooling solution because they have a more traditional form factor, the xsx cooling could be just as good or better because of its unique shape.
3liteDragon
Member
I mean, is an advanced high-quality thermal paste possible? Doesn't seem too far-fetched though right? And maybe a bigger fan too.
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icy121
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01011001
Banned
no the biggest money sink is the heatsink (pun... partially intended)
a heatsink is a big block of metal and that's expensive.
so a really big heatsink would be also pretty expensive (relatively speaking of course)
Farrell55
Banned
On power efficiency they are way behind but Not on ipc they are most on par! Maybe you have confused the two things
MarkMe2525
Banned
Can we get some Stone Cold vs the Rock debate going?
M.Night Shyamalan
Member
Heres an idea.
Sony hasn't delayed their reveal because of Corona Virus, Sony hasn't changed their plans.
They waited on MS to reveal 90% of their details on Series X. They will wait for MS to reveal Series S, specs, form factor and many more details. Then they will have a PS5 announcement and say PS5 is more powerful than Series X and S.
Then after MS names a price, Sony goes slightly below that and banks on PS Plus sales and Playstation's brand power to count on massive sales out the gate to make up for the small loss they take.
Sony hasn't delayed their reveal because of Corona Virus, Sony hasn't changed their plans.
They waited on MS to reveal 90% of their details on Series X. They will wait for MS to reveal Series S, specs, form factor and many more details. Then they will have a PS5 announcement and say PS5 is more powerful than Series X and S.
Then after MS names a price, Sony goes slightly below that and banks on PS Plus sales and Playstation's brand power to count on massive sales out the gate to make up for the small loss they take.
MarkMe2525
Banned
RDNA 4
M.Night Shyamalan
Member
The consoles are so close..PS5 is Stone Cold and Series X is The Rock. the Series X can do stone cold stunners to the PS5 all day and the PS5 can do Rock Bottoms to the Series X all day long
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lepermessiah
Member
Xsex and PS5 are both perfectly symmetrical ass cheeks. Twin slappers.
Tarkus98
Member
Image is mesmerizingCould be NGDS, most common symptom is this:
Can occur on any number of specific next-gen topics.
Night.Ninja
Banned
So wouldn't that confirm they have some insider knowledge about the PS5? Would they be about legal ramifications about them having insider knowledge about a rival console when the rival hasn't announced anything?
nikolino840
Member
Nah...everyone Say that Sony don't wait Microsoft for the price (on gaf the thread was even closed)
And Penello said that at this stage you can change very little in the hardware
demigod
Member
Hardware was already changed in 2017, that is plenty of time.
Why anyone would believe Mr. 40% is beyond me. Shame on you for being fooled again.
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Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
And this is to go...EVEN FURTHER BEYOND!
bitbydeath
Member
I don’t think the hardware was ever changed. Sony always planned a 2020 release as that is what their game schedule reflects.
Farrell55
Banned
That would be a Massacre
trancefreak64
Banned
Welcome to the Thunderdome amigo. We are a roudy Luny bunch here, and get a little crazy with things like, RDNA 3, mucho Terafloppes, and cough the neverending Github debate. so excuse our craziness and enjoy this thread
And I am really looking forward to the next generation of gaming and want to see what's in store for these next gen consoles. Going to be some exciting stuff.
Trainsmove
Banned
Not completely true if you are moving from GCN to a new architecture. Although it can be done it is not easy. X86 is just half the work. Furthermore if it was so easy why did they even have a mode selection in the AMD test .
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V4skunk
Banned
It's a simple patch/driver mate.
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Nickolaidas
Member
When there's actual information to be had, we'll have it.
Heya, i think we should treat this like Blizzard's famous quote. Time for reveal would be "Its ready when its ready."
Think MS jumped the gun as they need to get people starting to talk about them but means a higher marketing budget as they need to keep the momentum going throughout the year.
Whereas with Sony they still have quite a blockbuster of PS4 games coming out in the next couple of months which in the end will advertise Sony's brand and pique more curiosity of the PS5. In this regards, less marketing budget also required.
Think MS jumped the gun as they need to get people starting to talk about them but means a higher marketing budget as they need to keep the momentum going throughout the year.
Whereas with Sony they still have quite a blockbuster of PS4 games coming out in the next couple of months which in the end will advertise Sony's brand and pique more curiosity of the PS5. In this regards, less marketing budget also required.
JonTheGod
Neo Member
Been playing through inFamous 1 recently (first time playing despite being gifted it by Sony after the old PSN hack). Games like this are why we need full BC on PS5. I really hope all these rumours are true; have we had any more BC teases? Feed my over-hype to fuel my inevitable disappointment!
M.Night Shyamalan
Member
I still believe... Sony can take a bigger hit on price.. because they have guaranteed sales of 2 million plus in week 1. MS may take longer. MS didn't take a hit on Xbox One X.. Sony could have the same specs and still price It a little lower.That would be a Massacre
Welcome to the Thunderdome amigo. We are a roudy Luny bunch here, and get a little crazy with things like, RDNA 3, mucho Terafloppes, and cough the neverending Github debate. so excuse our craziness and enjoy this thread
And I am really looking forward to the next generation of gaming and want to see what's in store for these next gen consoles. Going to be some exciting stuff.
Thank you! To me, gaming consoles are just vehicles for games and gaming related services. At this point in time, the baseline for both consoles is very promising (Zen2 CPU, NaviGPU RT, custom SSD and more RAM). I can't wait to play games on new generation consoles.
Regards
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FeiRR
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Hey guys, I know it's early and all, but we're going in circles. How about inventing the title for PS5 and XSX OTs while we're sitting here on our hands?
PlayStation 5 Official Hardware Thread [OT] - It's in our (R)DNA
Xbox Series X Official Hardware Thread [OT] - The Tower of Power
You get the idea...
PlayStation 5 Official Hardware Thread [OT] - It's in our (R)DNA
Xbox Series X Official Hardware Thread [OT] - The Tower of Power
You get the idea...
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