Get over Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, Tomb Raider, Silent Hill, Metal Gear Solid, or any other franchise changing.

kiphalfton

kiphalfton

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Each of these games has had multiple iterations over a long period of time. To expect that they stay the same, or the quality remains the same, well you're just fooling yourself.

Time to get over [insert favorite series] not being the same.
 
What? They have gotten over them. Those franchises' last iterations sold like shit except for resident evil and final fantasy's latest remakes.
 
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chitzy said:
Get over people getting pissed off about shitty changes they don't agree with.
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Don't play the game then. How many threads have been derailed by people complaining about Tomb Raider sucking in comparison to the original games, or being compared to Uncharted. Or wishing FFVII was a remake, when it was made clear that wasn't going to happen early on.

Wouldn't care if people didn't go in OT threads, or whatever, with the intent of bitching about the game knowing full well what it is.
 
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kiphalfton said:
Don't play the game then. How many threads have been derailed by people complaining about Tomb Raider sucking in comparison to the original games, or being compared to Uncharted. Or wishing FFVII was a remake, when it was made clear that wasn't going to happen early on.
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Don't read the thread then. People are well within their rights to bitch about plot changes they don't like. I don't see MOD next to your name so I'm not sure what you think makes you qualified to dictate to people what is and what isn't appropriate discussion.
 
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I don't care if a series changes, I care if a series changes and the games become terrible. Which sadly is the case with Tomb Raider and was the case for RE5-6
 
Sonic mania tells you to shut the fuck up OP 😆

Ff7 Remake?
Yup classic mode is pretty classic
 
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People should be able to discuss things that disappointed them in something they've loved for a long time

That's the point of game forums, to discuss. It lets people with like opinions know of things that could disappoint or excite them and gives people a chance to rebut things if they don't agree

That's like 70% of Gaf's purpose
 
kiphalfton said:
Each of these games has had multiple iterations over a long period of time. To expect that they stay the same, or the quality remains the same, well you're just fooling yourself.

Time to get over [insert favorite series] not being the same.
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kiphalfton said:
Each of these games has had multiple iterations over a long period of time. To expect that they stay the same, or the quality remains the same, well you're just fooling yourself.

Time to get over [insert favorite series] not being the same.
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I don't have to get over shit. I'll express how I feel about changes in my favorite franchises - both positive and negative.
 
When did Silent Hill 'evolve'? I probably missed that. And I did enjoy both Shattered Memories and Downpour. Origins was aight too, despite kinda ruining the canon of the series.
 
I loved how Best Friends Play's LP of Silent Hill Homecoming immediately starts with Pat quoting one of the developers about how most of them knew the game was going to turn out to be a piece of shit.

I'm fine with with a series changing, but change doesn't always equate good. Final Fantasy has been changing constantly for like two decades now, sometimes for the better and sometimes for the worse. And people are going to disagree on what was better and worse.

If people are whining over a change period regardless of whether it could be good or bad, yeah that's an issue, but acting like people shouldn't be allowed to complain ever is ridiculous.
 
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Doom85 said:
I loved how Best Friends Play's LP of Silent Hill Homecoming immediately starts with Pat quoting one of the developers about how most of them knew the game was going to turn out to be a piece of shit.
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I remember one of the developer quotes stating that they "got what the series is about".

Turned out that they didn't. Homecoming is okay as a game but I can't get over how much they f**ked up everything else the series is known for. It makes Origins look like a master piece. It makes the movies look like fine art.
 
I'd say if you know a series evolves or is known to make radical changes with each and every installment, what are you surprised about?

But also, it's complicated. You get new directors and staff/teams, rapid advancement in technology and business goals.

Also, our sampling is often erroneous. The first 5 or 10 games might be the same for a number of reasons; yet, one of the most obvious reasons for deviation thereafter is lift in technological barriers. It could be a marketing decision, it could be with intent that the company wants a video game to "stay within bounds." You don't know if 1-5 will be identical, 6, 7, and 8 each a night/day difference between and 9+ to be the same.

Whichever the case, one thing is for sure: it's that we should always be open to discussion since it continues to be a polarizing point for alienating a base or following.
 
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kiphalfton said:
Each of these games has had multiple iterations over a long period of time. To expect that they stay the same, or the quality remains the same, well you're just fooling yourself.

Time to get over [insert favorite series] not being the same.
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I'm ok with franchises changing, but the problem is a lot of them lose identity, and mantain it is the most important thing

I'd be ok with playing a resident evil in the year 2060, but I want to feel like actually playing Resident Evil, no matter how different it is

Gta always feels like gta, as well as Mario games, Zelda, even GoW 4, so different, but still so familiar, dmcv is very different but it's 100% dmc style
Doom too

Re3, on the other side...
Good game, but doesn't feel like a RE
Tomb Raider too, not that they're bad games, but...they only have TR name
Mgsv too, sadly, incredible gameplay, but, apart from characters, close your eyes and try to imagine :
You are in the '90s, you have a time machine, and suddenly see this game playing
Do you really manage to recognize it as a MGS?

It' s the " this game should have another name and be a new IP" syndrome, one of the biggest problem in the industry
 
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kiphalfton said:
Don't play the game then. How many threads have been derailed by people complaining about Tomb Raider sucking in comparison to the original games, or being compared to Uncharted. Or wishing FFVII was a remake, when it was made clear that wasn't going to happen early on.

Wouldn't care if people didn't go in OT threads, or whatever, with the intent of bitching about the game knowing full well what it is.
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Should people just get out of the way of PR and let the marketing team do their sales pitch? If I'm not happy with something the least I can do is write bad words on a forum.
 
SpongebobSquaredance said:
I remember one of the developer quotes stating that they "got what the series is about".

Turned out that they didn't. Homecoming is okay as a game but I can't get over how much they f**ked up everything else the series is known for. It makes Origins look like a master piece. It makes the movies look like fine art.
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Atleast the zombie nurses were scaryhot
 
I wanna fly in my zeppelin and land on hidden island and fight rare dragons or find hidden caverns, cities etc. instead of walking around in a albeit very good looking midgard (during night), helping out dumb npc drunkards getting his inspirations back so he can go back and f#ck some ladies.

If Nintendo was able to give Zelda BOTW a huge 3D world to explore, if shitty Bethesda is able to do so as well and Ubisoft too ... WHY did Squaresoft not give FF7 the same respect and kept it 3D open world?

Shadow of the Colossus Remake is how you should treat&remake the IP. FF7 is Kingdom Hearts with shitty characters, no lipsynchro and overall just wrong on many aspects. Just imagine FF9 getting the same treatment.
 
kiphalfton said:
Each of these games has had multiple iterations over a long period of time. To expect that they stay the same, or the quality remains the same, well you're just fooling yourself.

Time to get over [insert favorite series] not being the same.
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What is this based on? I agree in principle but I don't hear anyone complaining about any of these games.
 
i already given up many years ago, ff7 remake being just the shit on the cake.
 
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kiphalfton said:
Each of these games has had multiple iterations over a long period of time. To expect that they stay the same, or the quality remains the same, well you're just fooling yourself.

Time to get over [insert favorite series] not being the same.
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Oh yeah because telling people to "get over it" really does make everyone instantly agree with you.
 
Halo 4's multiplayer was so, so bad. The flinch when shot, instant res pawning and mostly bad maps made me lose faith in the series for a bit. I came to the right thread to complain about this, right?
 
I love the changes MSG has gone through although I understand why some were disappointed.

FF isn't really an RPG anymore and that's unfortunate.
 
Honestly...
Fuck these boring, uninspired remakes. How about we get some AAA original stuff instead? After the train wreck that was RE3 I just want there to be original games.
 
How about no?

Let people display their dislikes about the changes they don't like on the franchises they love. They don't complain because they hate, they complain because they like and care.

The only people who needs to get over it are pussycats that feels like any form of criticism is a federal offense.
 
Pansy said:
Honestly...
Fuck these boring, uninspired remakes. How about we get some AAA original stuff instead? After the train wreck that was RE3 I just want there to be original games.
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Gaming is just about as creatively bankrupt as Hollywood is. Everything is remakes, sequels and otherwise unoriginal, uninspired garbage.
 
I'd be fine if someone wanted to mess with the Metal Gear franchise. Honestly there isn't much more batshit stuff they could add to the story, and maybe having someone else at the helm would bring it back down to earth.

Kojima started to believe his own hype after Snake Eater which gave us the subpar 4, and Kojima went full Kojima with V. You never go full Kojima. That's how we end up with Strand Type games.
 
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People need to stop living in the past and move on.
Things need to progress and if people dislike the way things play out, dust off your old consoles and stick to what you know.
 
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TwoDurans said:
I'd be fine if someone wanted to mess with the Metal Gear franchise. Honestly there isn't much more batshit stuff they could add to the story, and maybe having someone else at the helm would bring it back down to earth.

Kojima started to believe his own hype after Snake Eater which gave us the subpar 4, and Kojima went full Kojima with V. You never go full Kojima. That's how we end up with Strand Type games.
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You think 4 was subpar? I thought that was the peak of the series. It brought together all the good and the bad of the previous 3 entries and tied it into one ridiculous, convoluted, soap-opera style story. They even managed to turn Raiden into a badass. The gameplay itself was hella good too, for the 10% of the game you could actually play instead of watch.
 
You're right.

Old franchises that got manhandled should be immune to criticism. FFVII:R 2 should be a VR Nascar simulator.

Fucking genius.
 
I don't know while they are different
The success of RE2/RE3 REMAKE and now FFVII Remake has more to do with being true to the original rather then being a completely different GAME the newer titles try to be.
I know those games have big changes but they do(and purposely so) capture the original spirit
RE2/3 Remake use the same camera that changed the series which people said was the reason for the change.
But it was the core gameplay that changed everything not the Camara
 
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kiphalfton said:
Each of these games has had multiple iterations over a long period of time. To expect that they stay the same, or the quality remains the same, well you're just fooling yourself.

Time to get over [insert favorite series] not being the same.
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If players loved and bought [game] 1, 2, 3 and 4 why change things on 5?

I'm always In for innovation and searching new formulas...but a saga of games should keep it's identity. If not then stop that saga of games and create a new one.
 
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