Psykodad
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It worked for God of War though.
GOW PS4 was a much needed change for a stale franchise.
Get over Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, Tomb Raider, Silent Hill, Metal Gear Solid, or any other franchise changing.
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GOW PS4 was a much needed change for a stale franchise.
LemmingWithaParachute
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Not it didint.
GOW worked fine as it is, The problem is that people see an IP and go "I like the idea of that IP, but i dont like the gamplay or what makes it popular".
The same people who hate on cod for not changing it up enough are the game people who then praise GOW of becoming a generic TPS over the shoulder glorified escort mission.
You weren't the target audience of the source material, but now that its changed what made the IP so popular to begin with, apparently its the OG fans who are wrong and need to get over it.
Its the gaming equivalent of "Accuse others of what you yourself are guilty of". You didnt like it for what it is, but now that its changed what made it so successful, apparently everyone else is wrong.
I bet your car has square wheels and your carts come before the horse, yet its everyone else thats a bad driver.
The same people who dont like hack in slash in the original God of War are the same people who suddenly like hack in slash the moment its introduced into Final Fantasy and tell everyone else to get over it.
At least have some consistency. The entirety of the current and last gen consoles is nothing but third person over the shoulder games.
DmC is still doing what it did from day one, yet the same people that said Gow needed a fresh start are the same people buying DmC5.
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Psykodad
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What makes you think that I say that original GOW gameplay was bad?
At some point it just becomes stale and a breath of fresh air can be a good thing.
Hence GOW PS4.
LemmingWithaParachute
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Psykodad
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Yes, something becoming stale doesn't mean the quality is bad.
It's just that, stale.
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LemmingWithaParachute
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LMAO....what?
"If it isnt broke, dont fix it. Unless of course, you break it, fix it any way."
You are the Chunk of The Goonies.
Actually, while we're at it, the same people who call OG GoW or CoD or Splinter Cell or Final Fantasy stale....are the same people who buy AssCreed and Far Cry games annually.
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LemmingWithaParachute
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The you're basically shutting down COD/AssCreed/FF/Ghost Recon/Destiny/Pokemon/Dark Souls and other annual IPs from releasing "sequels".
Is AssCreed Origins vs AssCreed Odysseus that different from a remaster?
Birdo
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Muddy
Member
Games franchise have to change over time.
For Resident Evil we had tank controls which has gone to over the shoulder and first person. I personally have no issues with that.
The thing is Resident Evils roots are survival horror and thats whats being changed in favour of action. That change I have a problem with.
If is not survival horror its not Resident Evil. Simple.
RE4, RE5,RE6 and RE3 remake are abominations to the franchise.
For Resident Evil we had tank controls which has gone to over the shoulder and first person. I personally have no issues with that.
The thing is Resident Evils roots are survival horror and thats whats being changed in favour of action. That change I have a problem with.
If is not survival horror its not Resident Evil. Simple.
RE4, RE5,RE6 and RE3 remake are abominations to the franchise.
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Psykodad
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If you fuck your girl in missionary 24/7, doing a 69 after 3 years might spice things up a little.LMAO....what?
"If it isnt broke, dont fix it. Unless of course, you break it, fix it any way."
You are the Chunk of The Goonies.
Actually, while we're at it, the same people who call OG GoW or CoD or Splinter Cell or Final Fantasy stale....are the same people who buy AssCreed and Far Cry games annually.
LemmingWithaParachute
Banned
If you fuck your girl in missionary 24/7, doing a 69 after 3 years might spice things up a little.
Video games arent your cum receptacle. Unlike your girlfriend, they have standards.
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Lanrutcon
Member
Yes. Remasters are a recreation with the purpose of making an improvement on the quality of the original. AC:Odyssey is more of an expansion pack than a sequel. The two games are super similar, but the term "remaster" isn't really applicable as both games are almost identical visually.
It comes along, but rarely sells well. Sadly. How many people played Disco Elysium? ...yeah.
And yet they're the most popular of the series. Uh ohs!
DunDunDunpachi
Banned
I was extremely frustrated by the changes in all of those franchises until I read this thread.
Thanks OP you don't know it but you turned my life around.
Thanks OP you don't know it but you turned my life around.
Psykodad
Banned
Way to dodge the point.
You're smart enough to get it.
Muddy
Member
What Resident Evil is today is from the foundations laid by the original games. Survival horror games.
Lets not go into sales being a barometer for success or quality of game.
For example, the Xbox One console has sold as many units as the Super Nintendo.
Halo 1 is arguably the least successful game in the main series if you take only sales into account.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
If I don't like the way a franchise is going I won't be playing said entries in that franchise that I disagree with. Problem solved.
Lanrutcon
Member
Nah, not talking about sales (even though they sold more than the ones you like). Talking about in general. If you put up a poll on this forum for the top 3 RE games, RE3 and RE4 would have the first two spots (nor sure about the order though). Hands down (go on, do it!)
Muddy
Member
You made the claim. That rests in your hands.
How about creating a poll?What do RE fans prefer?
RE as survival horror sticking to its roots or RE as action.
Lanrutcon
Member
See, that's a different question. While I love RE4 and RE5...RE6 shat the bed terribly im my opinion. Bad enough to poison the well, in fact. Whenever people wonder about future action-oriented RE titles they immediately remember RE6 and all the badness associated with it. I wouldn't mind another RE4...but the risk of another RE6 is very real.
Where would you put RE7, btw? The first half was horror, the second half was dumb shooting.
Muddy
Member
RE7 was alot better for me than RE4, RE5 and RE6. A step in the right direction. Though the main RE series should be Third Person.
Lanrutcon
Member
That we can agree on!
GreenAlien
Member
If they want to make something very different, they are supposed to make something with a new name or a spin off. Shitting on fans is the wrong way to do it.
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DonJorginho
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So you're saying if Silent Hill became a battle royale game for the PSP that I can't be annoyed or have any other opinion but positive as good games came before in the series?
Man just stay off GAF for a while as you stink.
Man just stay off GAF for a while as you stink.
deriks
4-Time GIF/Meme God
Changes are a matter of time, but not every change is the right choice per-se
There are true evolutions, like Breath of the Wild and Metroid Prime.
REmake 1 and 2 are Resident Evil to roots, and they're great. Final Fantasy VII remake is well done as hell. REmake 3 is a weird thing because the original game is a little far from what Resident Evil formula is, so the remake pushes even harder, but it's still good.
There are anomalies, sure. Resident Evil 4 is not a Resident Evil, but is one of the greatest games ever.
There's changes that are just non necessary, like the weird climbing in Tomb Raider, the health in MGS V, the cooldown to shoot of Contra, or that Silent Hill for Vita - Konami, get your shit together
So nobody is fooling itself, we just want the best direction
There are true evolutions, like Breath of the Wild and Metroid Prime.
REmake 1 and 2 are Resident Evil to roots, and they're great. Final Fantasy VII remake is well done as hell. REmake 3 is a weird thing because the original game is a little far from what Resident Evil formula is, so the remake pushes even harder, but it's still good.
There are anomalies, sure. Resident Evil 4 is not a Resident Evil, but is one of the greatest games ever.
There's changes that are just non necessary, like the weird climbing in Tomb Raider, the health in MGS V, the cooldown to shoot of Contra, or that Silent Hill for Vita - Konami, get your shit together
So nobody is fooling itself, we just want the best direction
TwoDurans
"Never said I wasn't a hypocrite."
I say 4 was subpar because it could have been way better. The entire Europe chapter where you're following around the resistance member was horrible. Even the return to Shadow Moses was sort of ruined with the impossibility of stealth. There were far too many of those weird ball MGs so you ended up having to shoot your way through.
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Wesleyalucard
Member
So, the PS1 is the goat console.
Roni
Member
Back when I was a teenager I used to rage hard at RE4, Splinter Cell Conviction and the like... For precisely that reason, they weren't the game I was expecting or wanted. I was a stupid teenager then... I'll still point out I prefer one over the other, but I've made peace with the fact games aren't made for me.
That's some solid piece of advice, OP. It really is...
That's some solid piece of advice, OP. It really is...
Kerotan Frog
Member
Can we please get an MGS reboot? Just carry over the best gameplay systems (most of 5 and some of 3) and start a new story and historical lore.
JimmyJones
Banned
They will ruin Silent Hill the same way they did RE.
"Didn't you know Silent Hill was always an action game. There is more than enough ammo to kill every enemy several times over, it was never a survival horror!"
"Didn't you know Silent Hill was always an action game. There is more than enough ammo to kill every enemy several times over, it was never a survival horror!"
HaveButOneLife
Banned
XV is one of the best selling Square products of all time, trailing only behind 7 and potentially its remake.
The other franchises have been consistently mediocre or terrible.
01011001
Banned
Doom is not the same anymore and people love it. it's just that the new Tomb Raider games for example are just mediocre at best, MGS5 was an unfinished mess and Silent Hill completely turned into a shitshow.
that's not "changing" that's just bad games being made.
Doom did change a lot compared to the original games. yet people loved Doom 2016 and most people also love Eternal, but these games have almost nothing in common with the first 2 or Doom 64.
Doom 2016 is more comparable to freaking Devil May Cry 3 than it is to Doom 1.
so it is doable to renew a series and not fuck it up.
Dontero
Banned
Please eat and consume product you are given and be excited for next one !
Arachnid
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??? That does not make sense at all.
Fans of a series are fans of a series because the games are like they were. Fundamental changes to those series only split the fan-communities. Yes they get new fans but they also loose many fans. Evolution for such games is alright, but changing them completely just doesn't make sense.
e.g. C&C evolved over time. Always with small changes. But than came C&C4 and the franchise was dead.
Short form:
You don't buy a football game to get a basketball game.
Fans of a series are fans of a series because the games are like they were. Fundamental changes to those series only split the fan-communities. Yes they get new fans but they also loose many fans. Evolution for such games is alright, but changing them completely just doesn't make sense.
e.g. C&C evolved over time. Always with small changes. But than came C&C4 and the franchise was dead.
Short form:
You don't buy a football game to get a basketball game.
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93xfan
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People need to stop living in the past and move on.
Things need to progress and if people dislike the way things play out, dust off your old consoles and stick to what you know.
and above all else, stay silent about it.
The time for opinions is over!
Psykodad
Banned
You're free to say and think whatever.
93xfan
Banned
Shhh!!!
You're going to get us both kicked out of this thread.
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SpongebobSquaredance
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Fuz
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Fbh
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Meh I don't get this "don't get mad, get over it" shit.
I'm not going to go and freaking assault the people in charge of it or send them threats or shit like that. But if a franchise I like goes into a direction I don't like I'll complain about it on GAF, that's what like 80% of the any gaming section on any message board is about.
With that said I don't mind change, it just needs to be good. I don't need Final Fantasy to go back to an oldschool design with an overworld and turn based combat....but I do want it to be good and it simply hasn't been for over a decade (haven't played FF7 Remake though)
I'm not going to go and freaking assault the people in charge of it or send them threats or shit like that. But if a franchise I like goes into a direction I don't like I'll complain about it on GAF, that's what like 80% of the any gaming section on any message board is about.
With that said I don't mind change, it just needs to be good. I don't need Final Fantasy to go back to an oldschool design with an overworld and turn based combat....but I do want it to be good and it simply hasn't been for over a decade (haven't played FF7 Remake though)
chriskun
Member
I think alot of t has to do with how all the fedora wearing, crocks with socks, neck beards on here whine like a bunch of fucking pussies about things like"fan service"on here. If your main gripe is that bitches in games arent dressed like the orange skinned homecoming queen you jerked off to in '96 then you need to get your priorities straight.
flibbertyjibbert
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SpongebobSquaredance
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The whole point of the thread: Change can be good and I think anyone can agree that developers should try out new and fresh things. However, not every change is good. Silent Hill changed drastically with 4, but in its essence it is still Silent Hill and while many people dont like that game (for fair reasons mostly), I do enjoy it quite a bit. Homecoming was more classic Silent Hill in its approach, but f**ked up the story, had useless "features" and generally misunderstood what made Silent Hill in first place. It's like a bargain bin version of the original idea and thats why I dislike it. The gameplay is mostly fine. It's everything else.
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