Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check

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Alebrije

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I think there are several factors.

I live in Monterrey, the company I work for has been working 90% remotely since the third week of March. Before the Federal government started pushing for it. Right now they are delivering flyers noting that face masks are mandatory and in case of non compliance there could be fines and even imprisonment. Super markets are not allowing people to come in in groups and are controlling the amount of people that can be within the store premises at once. Movie theaters are closed since the last week of March I think...

I don't know... I think some States are handling it well. At least better than other countries in LATAM. However, as with any other countries, we know not everyone takes it seriously or is willing to comply. There was a 69% spike of cases announced yesterday. It's probably related to people ignoring warnings and going out for vacation a couple of weeks ago for Easter.

As with many other countries, we will know the true extent of the pandemic once overall death tolls are published and we can compare with previous years.

Just keep your "4 primas de distancia" rule and will be fine.
 

cryptoadam

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This could mean we're already in the second wave and the panic porn is wrong (again)

Its also possible that the SUNLIGHT and humidity in Cali is killing the virus outside in the air and on surfaces. But more likely Californians are ingesting bleach and thats why they have been spared.
 

Schattenjäger

Gabriel Knight
Such a garbage story.





So no where does it say these people intentionally drank cleaner to try and cure themselves. They came in contact with some cleaner and wanted to make sure they were ok. A lot more people are using cleaners now for normal things such as cleaning masks. No one was hurt. They tried to write this as an orange man bad story.

The news site intentionally used the statistic “during a similar period last year” rather then picking a timeframe over the last few days or even any timeframe during the pandemic where more cleaner is being used.
it’s not a new site .. it’s a tabloid liberal anti-Trump piece of garbage on its last legs .. been irrelevant for a long time now
 

Moogle11

Banned
Wow. The main annual conference in my field already canceled this uesr’s in November. I figured it wouldn’t happen as it’s 5kish people and cramped presentation rooms and a rebound of infections seems all but guaranteed in fall/winter, just earlier than I expected them to call it. But I suppose the sooner Given how many years in advance the conference sites/hotels are booked and the thousands of room cancellations etc.
 

llien

Banned
Oh boy, 2-3% only, with immunity in Wuhan I just read.

Reaaaally hope that isn't true. :eek:
Why not? Number of reported (active) cases in China below 900.

PS
I was told it was funny. Well, could those who think so, elaborate, why much more repressive regime than Germany could not do this:

 
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Deleted member 713885

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So..

My co-workers wife tested positive 2 weeks ago. He just came back from his 2 week quarantine and we talked last night.

Heres how it went..
We are Central-North Jersey (#2 hot spot basically)
Him and his wife both early 60's. Two children living at home, sons a marine daughter in college, both early 20's.

Wife had allergy symptoms for 3 days, then a 101 temp. Doctor suggested testing. Came to her car in full PPE and tested her as she sat in car. Day or two later local health department called telling her she tested positive (doctors hospitals alert local health department it seems)

Two to three days later she felt better. Never more then allergy type symptoms. Stuffy nose, tired feeling. Her 101 temp and other times with a 'slightly' above temp only occured at night. She felt fine basically during the day, aside from sniffles and tired muscle type feeling.

Co-worker, no symptoms. His kids, no symptoms. Ever. At all.

Hes back at work. Guess he never brought it to work, or if he did none of us got 'sick'.


What a strange virus.
 

rykomatsu

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So..

My co-workers wife tested positive 2 weeks ago. He just came back from his 2 week quarantine and we talked last night.

Heres how it went..
We are Central-North Jersey (#2 hot spot basically)
Him and his wife both early 60's. Two children living at home, sons a marine daughter in college, both early 20's.

Wife had allergy symptoms for 3 days, then a 101 temp. Doctor suggested testing. Came to her car in full PPE and tested her as she sat in car. Day or two later local health department called telling her she tested positive (doctors hospitals alert local health department it seems)

Two to three days later she felt better. Never more then allergy type symptoms. Stuffy nose, tired feeling. Her 101 temp and other times with a 'slightly' above temp only occured at night. She felt fine basically during the day, aside from sniffles and tired muscle type feeling.

Co-worker, no symptoms. His kids, no symptoms. Ever. At all.

Hes back at work. Guess he never brought it to work, or if he did none of us got 'sick'.


What a strange virus.

Thanks for the post - I think this type of information is just as important as the panic porn that media broadcasts.
 
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Deleted member 713885

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Thanks for the post - I think this type of information is just as important as the panic porn that media broadcasts.

One of my girlfriends best friends also has/had it.
A nurse in New Rochelle, NY, hour or so outside NYC.

Same deal. Felt a little icky, nothing that would be 'flu' type. Just a little run down with sniffles and a 2 to 3 degree higher temp at times.

She tested positive also. Her husband and children zero symptoms. Both mid-30's and kids between 3 and 8.
 

Jonsoncao

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Now this pandemic has been working inward more and more to CCP's favor.

I am now pessimistic than ever that this virus is engineered so perfectly it may work like HIV in the sense that the antibody won't remove the virus (based on the news of the RNA testing still shows positive for recovered patients).
 

cosmic wizard

Neo Member
So first of all:

Who made Bill Gates world health authority?

It's one thing to see a huge amount of hyper-skepticism around potential treatments and what have you. But when you highlight the flaws in his personal judgement and questionable connections and viewpoints it's literally *crickets*

Imagine having it all and just wanting to play god with the population of the planet.

Much like Jeffrey "Eugenics" Epstein who wanted to improve the planets gene pool with his DNA.

Bill Gates REFUSES to reveal why he flew on Lolita Express with Jeffrey Epstein four years AFTER his release from prison while the billionaire was still chairman of Microsoft

We are now very much in danger of being enslaved by technology due to these self elected tech oligarchs.

Bill Gates - Reddit AMA

The question of which businesses should keep going is tricky. Certainly food supply and the health system. We still need water, electricity and the internet. Supply chains for critical things need to be maintained. Countries are still figuring out what to keep running.

Eventually we will have some digital certificates to show who has recovered or been tested recently or when we have a vaccine who has received it.


Well it looks like these tech oligarchs have been itching for this for a long time.

ID2020: Immunization: an entry point for digital identity - Published on March 28 - 2018

Of course the Rockefeller's are involved

Since 1913, the Rockefeller Foundation has sought to improve the well-being of humanity around the world. The Rockefeller Foundation provided ID2020 with seed funding in in 2017 and has been an ongoing supporter of ID2020’s work.

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ClO2 is a respiratory irritant at very low concentrations - high concentrations will burn your skin and eyes. It is a disinfectant because it is a powerful indiscriminate oxidizer, meaning it will damage everything it contacts including healthy tissue. In water it breaks down organic material almost immediately.

Why ClO2 works against covid 19 a scientific aproach

The way it was taken to treat malaria (In the 2012 Red Cross study which everyone ignores despite being documented on video) is a few drops in a glass of purified water as ClO2 dissolves in water. Drinking water is commonly treated with Cl02. Healthy tissue is not effected with the right treatment protocols as it is as previously stated is a selective oxidiser. It's ironic as if you use a few drops of chlorine dioxide in a glass without water, the gas it gives off is very effective as sterilising wounds and burns externally. Hikers use it to purify water. It is even used to decontaminate certain foods like lettuce in the food production industry.

As stated it does not harm healthy cells because it is a highly selective oxidiser.

Controlled Clinical Evaluations of Chlorine Dioxide, Chlorite and Chlorate in Man

Demonstrating that chlorine dioxide is a size-selective antimicrobial agent and high purity ClO2 can be used as a local antiseptic

Needs to be researched out in the open IMHO.



This video finally proves that the Red Cross did a field test showing malaria was cured using MMS (sodium chlorite+activating acid producing chlorine dioxide) with a 100% success rate in 154 cases within 24-48 hours. This formerly hidden video was kept from the public for over 5 months until recently discovered.

THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS VIDEO CAN NOT BE OVERSTATED! WHY?

The Red Cross staff administering the malaria treatment was thrilled by the success of the test. However, the International Federation of Red Cross & Red Crescent Societies (IFRC - the parent organization) was not thrilled at all. When Leo Koehof released his version of a video documenting the same field test, the IFRC came out with a statement saying, “IFRC strongly dissociates from the claim of a ‘miracle’ solution to defeat malaria”

Every single element can be toxic at high quantities. People have died from drinking too much water.

The reactions by the media and general public are completely over the top as with most things these days.

Such as the Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation which Orange Man Bad was alluding to.

Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation - The cure that time forgot.

Even when it comes to vitamin c treatments I have observed that there is an effort to suppress information - especially from social media corporations and media outlets. Once again the tech oligarchy.

For posting information in the sea of disinformation & media fueled knee jerk reactions, you can attract outright hostility for even attempting to add clarity on a misunderstood subject.

Once again you figure out a way to destroy one virus in the human body - you can destroy them all. A discovery which would be catastrophic for the revenues of the pharmaceutical corporations.


I'll leave these quotes here as people have short memories:

“We stand at the birth of a new millennium, ready to unlock the mysteries of space, to free the Earth from the miseries of disease, and to harness the energies, industries, and technologies of tomorrow.” Inaugural address - Jan 20 2017

“We will come up with the cures to many, many problems, to many, many diseases, including cancer and others. And we’re getting closer all the time,” he added. “We will eradicate AIDS in America once and for all and we’re very close.” - SOTU - Feb 2020

So far we have had groundbreaking disclosures by the US Navy in

Room temperature Superconductors

Electromagnetic Propulsion & inertia reduction

Compact fusion reactors

The media has mostly been silent

It's looking more and more likely that health cures are next...

You wonder why they have thrown everything to try and remove Trump? There's obviously a power struggle going on against the old order of doing things which benefits the very few and has caused a huge amount of unacknowledged damage upon humanity.
 

Djau

Banned
So first of all:

Who made Bill Gates world health authority?

It's one thing to see a huge amount of hyper-skepticism around potential treatments and what have you. But when you highlight the flaws in his personal judgement and questionable connections and viewpoints it's literally *crickets*

Imagine having it all and just wanting to play god with the population of the planet.

Much like Jeffrey "Eugenics" Epstein who wanted to improve the planets gene pool with his DNA.

Bill Gates REFUSES to reveal why he flew on Lolita Express with Jeffrey Epstein four years AFTER his release from prison while the billionaire was still chairman of Microsoft

We are now very much in danger of being enslaved by technology due to these self elected tech oligarchs.



Well it looks like these tech oligarchs have been itching for this for a long time.

ID2020: Immunization: an entry point for digital identity - Published on March 28 - 2018

Of course the Rockefeller's are involved



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Why ClO2 works against covid 19 a scientific aproach

The way it was taken to treat malaria (In the 2012 Red Cross study which everyone ignores despite being documented on video) is a few drops in a glass of purified water as ClO2 dissolves in water. Drinking water is commonly treated with Cl02. Healthy tissue is not effected with the right treatment protocols as it is as previously stated is a selective oxidiser. It's ironic as if you use a few drops of chlorine dioxide in a glass without water, the gas it gives off is very effective as sterilising wounds and burns externally. Hikers use it to purify water. It is even used to decontaminate certain foods like lettuce in the food production industry.

As stated it does not harm healthy cells because it is a highly selective oxidiser.

Controlled Clinical Evaluations of Chlorine Dioxide, Chlorite and Chlorate in Man

Demonstrating that chlorine dioxide is a size-selective antimicrobial agent and high purity ClO2 can be used as a local antiseptic

Needs to be researched out in the open IMHO.





Every single element can be toxic at high quantities. People have died from drinking too much water.

The reactions by the media and general public are completely over the top as with most things these days.

Such as the Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation which Orange Man Bad was alluding to.

Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation - The cure that time forgot.

Even when it comes to vitamin c treatments I have observed that there is an effort to suppress information - especially from social media corporations and media outlets. Once again the tech oligarchy.

For posting information in the sea of disinformation & media fueled knee jerk reactions, you can attract outright hostility for even attempting to add clarity on a misunderstood subject.

Once again you figure out a way to destroy one virus in the human body - you can destroy them all. A discovery which would be catastrophic for the revenues of the pharmaceutical corporations.


I'll leave these quotes here as people have short memories:

“We stand at the birth of a new millennium, ready to unlock the mysteries of space, to free the Earth from the miseries of disease, and to harness the energies, industries, and technologies of tomorrow.” Inaugural address - Jan 20 2017

“We will come up with the cures to many, many problems, to many, many diseases, including cancer and others. And we’re getting closer all the time,” he added. “We will eradicate AIDS in America once and for all and we’re very close.” - SOTU - Feb 2020

So far we have had groundbreaking disclosures by the US Navy in

Room temperature Superconductors

Electromagnetic Propulsion & inertia reduction

Compact fusion reactors

The media has mostly been silent

It's looking more and more likely that health cures are next...

You wonder why they have thrown everything to try and remove Trump? There's obviously a power struggle going on against the old order of doing things which benefits the very few and has caused a huge amount of unacknowledged damage upon humanity.



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ManaByte

Banned

Now you know why the death numbers are inflated.

Hospitals and doctors do get paid more for Medicare patients diagnosed with COVID-19 or if it's considered presumed they have COVID-19 absent a laboratory-confirmed test, and three times more if placed on a ventilator to cover the cost of care and loss of business resulting from a shift in focus to treat COVID-19 cases.

That's why NYC started counting the presumed deaths as COVID deaths.
 
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EviLore

Expansive Ellipses
Staff Member
So first of all:

Who made Bill Gates world health authority?

It's one thing to see a huge amount of hyper-skepticism around potential treatments and what have you. But when you highlight the flaws in his personal judgement and questionable connections and viewpoints it's literally *crickets*

Imagine having it all and just wanting to play god with the population of the planet.

Much like Jeffrey "Eugenics" Epstein who wanted to improve the planets gene pool with his DNA.

Bill Gates REFUSES to reveal why he flew on Lolita Express with Jeffrey Epstein four years AFTER his release from prison while the billionaire was still chairman of Microsoft

We are now very much in danger of being enslaved by technology due to these self elected tech oligarchs.



Well it looks like these tech oligarchs have been itching for this for a long time.

ID2020: Immunization: an entry point for digital identity - Published on March 28 - 2018

Of course the Rockefeller's are involved



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iu





Why ClO2 works against covid 19 a scientific aproach

The way it was taken to treat malaria (In the 2012 Red Cross study which everyone ignores despite being documented on video) is a few drops in a glass of purified water as ClO2 dissolves in water. Drinking water is commonly treated with Cl02. Healthy tissue is not effected with the right treatment protocols as it is as previously stated is a selective oxidiser. It's ironic as if you use a few drops of chlorine dioxide in a glass without water, the gas it gives off is very effective as sterilising wounds and burns externally. Hikers use it to purify water. It is even used to decontaminate certain foods like lettuce in the food production industry.

As stated it does not harm healthy cells because it is a highly selective oxidiser.

Controlled Clinical Evaluations of Chlorine Dioxide, Chlorite and Chlorate in Man

Demonstrating that chlorine dioxide is a size-selective antimicrobial agent and high purity ClO2 can be used as a local antiseptic

Needs to be researched out in the open IMHO.





Every single element can be toxic at high quantities. People have died from drinking too much water.

The reactions by the media and general public are completely over the top as with most things these days.

Such as the Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation which Orange Man Bad was alluding to.

Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation - The cure that time forgot.

Even when it comes to vitamin c treatments I have observed that there is an effort to suppress information - especially from social media corporations and media outlets. Once again the tech oligarchy.

For posting information in the sea of disinformation & media fueled knee jerk reactions, you can attract outright hostility for even attempting to add clarity on a misunderstood subject.

Once again you figure out a way to destroy one virus in the human body - you can destroy them all. A discovery which would be catastrophic for the revenues of the pharmaceutical corporations.


I'll leave these quotes here as people have short memories:

“We stand at the birth of a new millennium, ready to unlock the mysteries of space, to free the Earth from the miseries of disease, and to harness the energies, industries, and technologies of tomorrow.” Inaugural address - Jan 20 2017

“We will come up with the cures to many, many problems, to many, many diseases, including cancer and others. And we’re getting closer all the time,” he added. “We will eradicate AIDS in America once and for all and we’re very close.” - SOTU - Feb 2020

So far we have had groundbreaking disclosures by the US Navy in

Room temperature Superconductors

Electromagnetic Propulsion & inertia reduction

Compact fusion reactors

The media has mostly been silent

It's looking more and more likely that health cures are next...

You wonder why they have thrown everything to try and remove Trump? There's obviously a power struggle going on against the old order of doing things which benefits the very few and has caused a huge amount of unacknowledged damage upon humanity.


Please leave conspiracy talk out of this thread.
 

cryptoadam

Banned
Please leave conspiracy talk out of this thread.

 
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Moogle11

Banned
Regarding the immunity thing, it's just too early to tell. Some viruses don't mutate much and once most people have it and build antibodies they will be immune to it.

Others are like the flu and mutate and have a bunch of different strains such that even with the vaccine some people still get it as they catch a strain other than the strain(s) targeted by that year's vaccine. No way to know yet how Covid-19 is mutating other than that there are apparently 3 strains so far and some limited cases of people catching it a second time from what I've read. Those people could be the rare exception to the rule and most people build antibodies that will fight off all existing strains. But we don't know if it will mutate more aggressively in the future. We'll find out when things reopen and it hits again this fall. Know other way to know. I just hope we keep banning crowds of thousands and tens of thousands until we know as those could be disastrous spreader events in a worst case scenario and aren't essential to the overall economy unlike every day businesses.
 

Joe T.

Member

More than 1000 of the 1340 Quebecers who have died from CV were in seniors care.

75% of our deaths are from our old have homes. Only 340 people in a province of 8 Million have passed in the general population.

Do not let this get into your senior residence's.

I'm still surprised my dad survived that mess. He's in one of the long term care facilities that's been in the local news.

Hoping our new case numbers continue trending down because I'm eager to see the city come back to life, don't want to see the target date extended again.
 

Loki

Count of Concision
Well it looks like these tech oligarchs have been itching for this for a long time.

ID2020: Immunization: an entry point for digital identity - Published on March 28 - 2018

Of course the Rockefeller's are involved

Interesting that the name of the organization is ID2020 and not, say, ID2030 or something generic like ID4ALL. And we just happen to have the first legit pendamic (certainly the most serious one in the last hundred years) in 2020. Hmmm...
 

All Hail C-Webb

Hailing from the Chill-Web
How does it show that, especially if we're supposed to assume that most people were infected before the lockdowns began?

Because the NYC hospitals were beginning to struggle a month ago. Another couple weeks without a lockdown, and we would have been in serious shit.

Sounds like BS and fish tank cleaner women story to me.

You thought it was BS that people called health hotlines, Dame posted a link regarding Maryland, and that became BS too. You often find something to be BS when it doesn't fit with what you already believe.
I didn't even know about Maryland, I know that the Tristate hotlines received many calls.

The alternative isn't much better.
People didn't try what the President said, they didn't even inquire about what the President said, the whole country just ignored him?
If everybody knows to ignore you, you shouldn't be leading a McDonald's, let alone one of the top 50 countries in the world.


This could mean we're already in the second wave and the panic porn is wrong (again)

No, it does not mean that.
For there to be a 2nd wave, a 1st wave would have needed to form, and crash. There's absolutely nothing we know that would have randomly stopped a 1st wave.
It's also a nothing story. A military historian wrote a story over a month ago published by the Conservative Review? Where are the facts?

Unfortunately even in hard hit areas like NYC, the antibody results indicate that a 2nd wave could effect far more people than the 1st.
I still think we can have a fairly nice Summer, but if youre not expecting lockdowns, or a larger 2nd wave later this year, you're likely in for a rude awakening.
 
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Dr.Guru of Peru

played the long game
It's going to be harder and harder to justify the lockdowns when these mortality numbers keep dropping.
Mortality rates are dropping, but R0s keep getting revised upwards and no one is immune. There are still a tremendous amount of people going to die from this virus if we don't adjust how we return to daily life, and the numbers would have been much worse had we not locked down.
 
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It's going to be harder and harder to justify the lockdowns when these mortality numbers keep dropping.
Two things. There are different strains some more lethal than others. Also it'd be interesting to know how many of these people have permanent organ damage, as even people with mild symptoms are said to have potentially permanent lung damage.

Also I heard from some chinese study that about a third of people who got infected had barely any antibodies some with undetectable antibodies. Levels potentially too low to mount an effective defense, even if mutation rate didn't make antibodies not too useful like the flu. https://www.scmp.com/news/china/sci...rus-low-antibody-levels-raise-questions-about


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We also have mortality on one of the strains from a closed system, the diamond princess cruise
 
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Djau

Banned
Interesting that the name of the organization is ID2020 and not, say, ID2030 or something generic like ID4ALL. And we just happen to have the first legit pendamic (certainly the most serious one in the last hundred years) in 2020. Hmmm...

This is hinging on Paranoia.
 
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