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[Starfield]

Just came home from my neighbours bbq. They were in home isolation for 4 1/2 weeks due to them testing positive on covid 19. First the wife got it because of her work, and they had to stay 2 more weeks in isolation because the husband "could" have been infected aswell.

All she ever had was some coughing and chest pain, no fever, no nothing. Thats it. Nothing serious at all. The husband, someone who would easily fit in the "high risk"group had...nothing. absolutely no symptoms or signs of weaknesses.

So yeah.

 

[Nymphae]

Bill still crushes from time to time

 

[cryptoadam]

Bill Maher has basically committed SJW seppuku. He is being red pilled but his Trump hate is just preventing the final transformation. I suspect though at some point he will just have to go full MAGA. He won't be accepted on the left anymore for his "radical" views.

 

[Tesseract]

people i know got mildly sick and recovered quickly, age wasn't a factor

(just some antecdotal obs)

 

[Nymphae]

I suspect though at some point he will just have to go full MAGA

I would not count on that, he has had one of the fiercest trump hate boners for years.

 

[cryptoadam]

I would not count on that, he has had one of the fiercest trump hate boners for years.

The TDS is strong in Maher so he will have a very hard time reconciling his MAGA with that, but I don't know how much longer he can hold out and with his statements he is going to become more and more ostracized by the SJW and TDS community.

If HCQ proves to be an effective treatment I predict his transformation will be complete and we will see MAGA Maher.

 

[Phunkydiabetic]

Bill Maher has basically committed SJW seppuku. He is being red pilled but his Trump hate is just preventing the final transformation. I suspect though at some point he will just have to go full MAGA. He won't be accepted on the left anymore for his "radical" views.

Before that happens I feel he will collapse into a singularity of smug.

 

[Nymphae]

The TDS is strong in Maher so he will have a very hard time reconciling his MAGA with that, but I don't know how much longer he can hold out and with his statements he is going to become more and more ostracized by the SJW and TDS community.

If HCQ proves to be an effective treatment I predict his transformation will be complete and we will see MAGA Maher.

He does seem to make a little too much sense for the left at times, but I cannot see him ever outright supporting the guy. Like couldn't help himself from making a Trump dig at the end this video that had absolutely fuck all to do with Trump. Would be glorious to see Bill don the hat though, fingers crossed lol.

 

[DragoonKain]

Bill will never become right wing. He's like Tim Pool. He's a left wing guy who hates woke types and SJWs.

 

[Nymphae]

We love non-scientist, non-expert, comedian Bill Maher's takes on things he isn't an expert on generally, until he says something that goes against the accepted media wisdom.

 

[Tesseract]

cancel him, take his house, take his coat

 

[cryptoadam]

Bill will never become right wing. He's like Tim Pool. He's a left wing guy who hates woke types and SJWs.

Tim Pool is total MAGA and Trump lover. He just tries to hide it under his beanie and both sides it. I have been watching the guy on and off since Covington and its been amazing to see his red pilling.

 

[cryptoadam]

Bill Maher tells us to hate Trump

YAAASSSS SLAAAAAAY You get him Maher, THE WALLS ARE CLOSING IN. WHOPDIE WOO WHOPDIE WHAT

Bill Maher tells us to go outside.

Your not a Doctor, FOOOK YOU, I will neeeeeeever leave my house. Kill Maher.

 

[Petey-o]

Not overwhelming hospitals was the original excuse, but in CA the hospitals are empty and laying off the staff yet Newsom is keeping the lockdown going indefinitely.

I don't know about that one specific situation, but it's generally the idea everywhere.

 

[The Scrivener]

Tim Pool is total MAGA and Trump lover. He just tries to hide it under his beanie and both sides it. I have been watching the guy on and off since Covington and its been amazing to see his red pilling.

I remember seeing a video he did where he went out into the countryside, hugged a tree, and said to his viewers he was going to really slow down his output.

Yeah... That didn't happen. I like the guy enough, don't follow him that close, but that was funny.

 

[Nymphae]

"You're not a virologist Bill, you don't understand science"

Stanford doctor explains why coronavirus lockdown policies need to end: 'Ignore the panic and rely on facts' | Blaze Media

He says it's hurting more than it's helping

www.theblaze.com

The former chief of neuroradiology at Stanford University said the United States needs to end widespread coronavirus lockdowns and adopt a more targeted approach that both protects the most vulnerable people and builds immunity in the population.

Ackshually he's not a virologist or epidemiologist so does he really know what he's talking about? Doubtful.

"Tens of thousands of Americans have died, and Americans are now desperate for sensible policymakers who have the courage to ignore the panic and rely on facts," Atlas wrote. "Leaders must examine accumulated data to see what has actually happened, rather than keep emphasizing hypothetical projections; combine that empirical evidence with fundamental principles of biology established for decades; and then thoughtfully restore the country to function."

Atlas wrote that because the overall mortality rate is increasingly looking to be 0.1%-0.5% based on antibody studies, and because that mortality rate is even lower among healthy adults under the age of 50, it makes no sense to continue requiring all of the population to isolate when such a small percentage of people are in real danger from COVID-19.

"In fact, infected people without severe illness are the immediately available vehicle for establishing widespread immunity," Atlas wrote. "By transmitting the virus to others in the low-risk group who then generate antibodies, they block the network of pathways toward the most vulnerable people, ultimately ending the threat. Extending whole-population isolation would directly prevent that widespread immunity from developing."

Fuck that noise we all need to stay inside until we can get injections

 

[sinnergy]

Just came home from my neighbours bbq. They were in home isolation for 4 1/2 weeks due to them testing positive on covid 19. First the wife got it because of her work, and they had to stay 2 more weeks in isolation because the husband "could" have been infected aswell.

All she ever had was some coughing and chest pain, no fever, no nothing. Thats it. Nothing serious at all. The husband, someone who would easily fit in the "high risk"group had...nothing. absolutely no symptoms or signs of weaknesses.

So yeah.

Yup some have that , and they spread it . So? I have a friend in her early 30s which was so sick at home that she had to stay 2 weeks in bed , and now 2 weeks later is beginning to feel a lot better .. so 4 weeks , and still isn't able to work. No illness before, healthy.

Yeah..

Looks like if you have something in your DNA you can be fucked.

 

[Nymphae]

Yup some have that , and they spread it . So? I have a friend in her early 30s which was so sick at home that she had to stay 2 weeks in bed , and now 2 weeks later is beginning to feel a lot better .. so 4 weeks , and still isn't able to work.

Yeah..

Bodies piling up

 

[diffusionx]

People are such spoiled, entitled morons. I think discussions over whether or not the impact on the economy and psychological impact of this, whether it's families losing businesses or jobs and healthcare because of it... that's a legit concern and a legit discussion. Whether or not long-term, that will be more deadly and disastrous than the virus itself. And whether or not businesses and the economy should be opened up more is a legit debate to be had.

But people protesting for the fucking beach? Get over yourselves, you spoiled morons. Find something else to do. Ride a fucking bike. Sit out on your lawn. Go for a walk to get some sun. Beaches are luxury activities, not necessary things. These are the morons who are gonna extend this bullshit by weeks and months. Because they are either too entitled to give up their damn beaches or too political to allow "the libs" to force them to do something they don't wanna do.

And if you wanna protest, do it spread out, not clustered together. It's like these morons are doing it out of spite to own people on the left. You aren't owning anybody but yourselves.

Beaches are as necessary as anything else. The point here is that the governors of these states have unilaterally decided what can and cannot open, no discussion, no debate, they decide, end of story. They say they are doing it "for our own good" but they arent kings and we aren't their subjects. What they are doing is actually tyrannical and they have to be called out for it.

And also, lets get real, these lockdowns are not necessary anymore. The initial justification for the lockdowns has been achieved, and they haven't given us new justifications, just vague shit that doesn't hold water. This stupid virus just isn't that dangerous for the vast majority of people, hell a huge chunk don't even show symptoms. People can choose to isolate themselves if they want to or they take care of sickly or elderly people. For the rest of us it's time to move on.

 

[Jtibh]

I dont like this video mr campbell.
I just signed for a 140k equipment after the drop in cases and lifting of restrictions and recovery of the oil market.

Fuck me.

 

[DragoonKain]

Tim Pool is total MAGA and Trump lover. He just tries to hide it under his beanie and both sides it. I have been watching the guy on and off since Covington and its been amazing to see his red pilling.

I don't think he likes Trump, he just hates SJWs above all. People often conflate dislike of the far left with love of Trump and it's not mutually exclusive. People right now are just sick of woke types and their bullshit and it's coming out of people full force because of years of this bullshit people have had enough and are speaking out.

 

[cryptoadam]

I don't think he likes Trump, he just hates SJWs above all. People often conflate dislike of the far left with love of Trump and it's not mutually exclusive. People right now are just sick of woke types and their bullshit and it's coming out of people full force because of years of this bullshit people have had enough and are speaking out.

I get the feeling from watching him that he likes Trump. Maybe that wasn't the case a few months ago, but some of his more recent videos he has really started coming around on Trump. He always tries to preface it with blah blah if you don't like the man dont like him etc... But he is just siding with Trump and giving Trump his due/praise too much to not like the guy and only hate SJW's.

But hey I don't watch him all the time and I am not him so I don't really know what he thinks. Its just my impression that he has become a big Trump fan. I think covington was the crack and then Juicy fruit just broke the dam open.

 

[DragoonKain]

Beaches are as necessary as anything else. The point here is that the governors of these states have unilaterally decided what can and cannot open, no discussion, no debate, they decide, end of story. They say they are doing it "for our own good" but they arent kings and we aren't their subjects. What they are doing is actually tyrannical and they have to be called out for it.

And also, lets get real, these lockdowns are not necessary anymore. The initial justification for the lockdowns has been achieved, and they haven't given us new justifications, just vague shit that doesn't hold water. This stupid virus just isn't that dangerous for the vast majority of people, hell a huge chunk don't even show symptoms. People can choose to isolate themselves if they want to or they take care of sickly or elderly people. For the rest of us it's time to move on.

But they aren't, though. What sense does that make? How is a beach as necessary as someone's business that keeps a roof over their heads, or being able to go to school or go to work to earn a paycheck?

Governors haven't decided themselves, they are going by the advice of the experts.

There are debates to be had as to whether or not the ends justify the means, but the "this virus is so overrated" nonsense is just right wing propaganda to try and own the libs. It's garbage.

 

[cryptoadam]

I dont like this video mr campbell.
I just signed for a 140k equipment after the drop in cases and lifting of restrictions and recovery of the oil market.

Fuck me.

I have a feeling that we will get over this in the west and then it will ravage AFrica and south america but by that time we will kind of moved on from it and it won't be news anymore. So thousands dying out there will never be as big news as what we saw in the last few months.

 

[DragoonKain]

We love non-scientist, non-expert, comedian Bill Maher's takes on things he isn't an expert on generally, until he says something that goes against the accepted media wisdom.

The replies to his tweet are laughably moronic. I don't think any of those people even watched the video. He's trying to convey that we can't spend the rest of our lives hiding from microorganisms and that even during pandemics there's nothing we can do to 100% ensure we don't get sick so we can control the things we can control like make sure we are healthy and have strong immune systems. And these fake outrage clowns are acting like he just told everyone to go gather in large crowds and start hugging every stranger you meet. Just total idiots.

 

[cryptoadam]

But they aren't, though. What sense does that make? How is a beach as necessary as someone's business that keeps a roof over their heads, or being able to go to school or go to work to earn a paycheck?

Governors haven't decided themselves, they are going by the advice of the experts.

There are debates to be had as to whether or not the ends justify the means, but the "this virus is so overrated" nonsense is just right wing propaganda to try and own the libs. It's garbage.

Chinese scientist and non peer reviewed so grain of salt

Outdoor Transmission of COVID | National Review

This new study, if true, could raise important questions about the wisdom of closing public parks in urban areas.

www.nationalreview.com

Three hundred and eighteen outbreaks with three or more cases were identified, involving 1245 confirmed cases in 120 prefectural cities. We divided the venues in which the outbreaks occurred into six categories: homes, transport, food, entertainment, shopping, and miscellaneous. Among the identified outbreaks, 53.8% involved three cases, 26.4% involved four cases, and only 1.6% involved ten or more cases. Home outbreaks were the dominant category (254 of 318 outbreaks; 79.9%), followed by transport (108; 34.0%; note that many outbreaks involved more than one venue category). Most home outbreaks involved three to five cases. We identified only a single outbreak in an outdoor environment, which involved two cases. The first salient feature of the 318 identified outbreaks that involved three or more cases is that they all occurred in indoor environments. Although this finding was expected, its significance has not been well recognised by the community and by policy makers. Indoors is where our lives and work are in modern civilisation. The transmission of respiratory infections such as SARS-CoV-2 from the infected to the susceptible is an indoor phenomenon.

We also have the DHS report that said sunlight and heat kills the virus.

I don't support large gatherings at beaches, but the science behind closing out door area's is not solid at all and I would say the science actually supports being outside (with physical distancing) over trapping people inside.

Pretty much every outbreak happens in indoor damp cool environments. Old age homes, call centers, churches, meat packing plants.

 

[DragoonKain]

Chinese scientist and non peer reviewed so grain of salt

Outdoor Transmission of COVID | National Review

This new study, if true, could raise important questions about the wisdom of closing public parks in urban areas.

www.nationalreview.com

Three hundred and eighteen outbreaks with three or more cases were identified, involving 1245 confirmed cases in 120 prefectural cities. We divided the venues in which the outbreaks occurred into six categories: homes, transport, food, entertainment, shopping, and miscellaneous. Among the identified outbreaks, 53.8% involved three cases, 26.4% involved four cases, and only 1.6% involved ten or more cases. Home outbreaks were the dominant category (254 of 318 outbreaks; 79.9%), followed by transport (108; 34.0%; note that many outbreaks involved more than one venue category). Most home outbreaks involved three to five cases. We identified only a single outbreak in an outdoor environment, which involved two cases. The first salient feature of the 318 identified outbreaks that involved three or more cases is that they all occurred in indoor environments. Although this finding was expected, its significance has not been well recognised by the community and by policy makers. Indoors is where our lives and work are in modern civilisation. The transmission of respiratory infections such as SARS-CoV-2 from the infected to the susceptible is an indoor phenomenon.

We also have the DHS report that said sunlight and heat kills the virus.

I don't support large gatherings at beaches, but the science behind closing out door area's is not solid at all and I would say the science actually supports being outside (with physical distancing) over trapping people inside.

Pretty much every outbreak happens in indoor damp cool environments. Old age homes, call centers, churches, meat packing plants.

I don't pay attention to these studies anymore they change every damn week. Right now all we can do until all this is studied over time and figured out is do what people have done since the beginning of time in pandemics and people staying away from people until we know for sure what the deal is. If there's been one thing about controlling pandemics that has been true throughout history, it's been that tried and true method.

Look, there are areas of nuance and debate regarding this virus in terms of the economy and mental health, and loss of jobs and insurance leading to deaths. But the second someone tries to bring the whole "but mah freedoms" garbage into this like politicians are trying to control you and take away your freedoms, it's just right wing propaganda and it's just as bad as the left wing's bullshit.

 

[diffusionx]

But they aren't, though. What sense does that make? How is a beach as necessary as someone's business that keeps a roof over their heads, or being able to go to school or go to work to earn a paycheck?

Governors haven't decided themselves, they are going by the advice of the experts.

There are debates to be had as to whether or not the ends justify the means, but the "this virus is so overrated" nonsense is just right wing propaganda to try and own the libs. It's garbage.

LOL the same experts who predicted our hospital system will collapse, only to find we needed a quarter of the beds and ventilators they predicted (predicted with al lockdown). My point still stands. There is no democratic, free citizen dialogue here, it is Newsom commanding people to stay home by dictate. Nobody should stand for that. Not to mention the incoherent nature of it, where you claim to have a lockdown but still tell people they can go to the store or walk on crowded city sidewalks but not the open air beach. It's nonsense.

As for the virus being "overrated", lets look at facts. Half of cases have no symptoms whatsoever, it turns out that anywhere from 10-100 times more people have it than first thought with our health systems handling it just fine, and the people who die from it are of the same cohort who dies from illnesses like influenza and pneumonia every single year. If you're under sixty and of good health your chance of recovery from this is somewhere around 99.9%+.

 

[diffusionx]

I don't pay attention to these studies anymore they change every damn week. Right now all we can do until all this is studied over time and figured out is do what people have done since the beginning of time in pandemics and people staying away from people until we know for sure what the deal is. If there's been one thing about controlling pandemics that has been true throughout history, it's been that tried and true method.

Look, there are areas of nuance and debate regarding this virus in terms of the economy and mental health, and loss of jobs and insurance leading to deaths. But the second someone tries to bring the whole "but mah freedoms" garbage into this like politicians are trying to control you and take away your freedoms, it's just right wing propaganda and it's just as bad as the left wing's bullshit.

So you wont believe the studies that are coming out that say this half-assed lockdown isn't productive, but you do listen to governors who claim to be guided by "experts" who say we do need to hand total power to them?

 

[DragoonKain]

LOL the same experts who predicted our hospital system will collapse, only to find we needed a quarter of the beds and ventilators they predicted (predicted with al lockdown). My point still stands. There is no democratic, free citizen dialogue here, it is Newsom commanding people to stay home by dictate. Nobody should stand for that. Not to mention the incoherent nature of it, where you claim to have a lockdown but still tell people they can go to the store or walk on crowded city sidewalks but not the open air beach. It's nonsense.

As for the virus being "overrated", lets look at facts. Half of cases have no symptoms whatsoever, it turns out that anywhere from 10-100 times more people have it than first thought with our health systems handling it just fine, and the people who die from it are of the same cohort who dies from illnesses like influenza and pneumonia every single year. If you're under sixty and of good health your chance of recovery from this is somewhere around 99.9%+.

No, they predicted it would collapse if we didn't act. Quarantining is what made the hospitals not collapse in the first place. If none of these procedures were put into place, the country would be in complete and total chaos right now. Way worse than it is. No lockdown is perfect, they're trying to limit as much as they can while still allowing people to do things that allow them to be healthy like go outside for a walk(which is important for health) and going out to buy necessary food and supplies. It's a difficult balance to find.

The numbers are still changing, we don't have a fully accurate read on them yet, that will happen over a longer period of time. Did you not see what things were like in NYC? How they needed to use freezer trucks to transport mass amounts of bodies out of hospitals and dig trenches to bury the dead? You seem to be ignoring that. I can't believe the flu bro conversations still exist with this. It's clearly worse. It's more deadly, it's most contagious.

 

[Joe T.]

Governors haven't decided themselves, they are going by the advice of the experts.

There are debates to be had as to whether or not the ends justify the means, but the "this virus is so overrated" nonsense is just right wing propaganda to try and own the libs. It's garbage.

It isn't, though. It's just the facts/numbers speaking. There's nothing political about it. We were originally given projections that wildly overestimated the impact of this virus. The CDC's clarification of death numbers continues leading us down that same path.

Those were projections made by experts. The advice against wearing masks came from experts. The advice against shutting down borders came from experts. There's a theme here. That's not to say we should dismiss them, it's to understand that just because someone is an expert in any given field it doesn't necessarily mean his/her opinion is right.

If you're interested in understanding why Americans are so divided on this topic I'd suggest checking out the Vox article below provided you can filter out their liberal bias - I thought it did a decent job of explaining it:

The pandemic is hitting counties that voted for Hillary Clinton harder — for now

Democrats and Republicans have experienced the pandemic in objectively different ways, and these differences are already shaping the nation’s pandemic response.

www.vox.com

 

[Phunkydiabetic]

I get the feeling from watching him that he likes Trump. Maybe that wasn't the case a few months ago, but some of his more recent videos he has really started coming around on Trump. He always tries to preface it with blah blah if you don't like the man dont like him etc... But he is just siding with Trump and giving Trump his due/praise too much to not like the guy and only hate SJW's.

But hey I don't watch him all the time and I am not him so I don't really know what he thinks. Its just my impression that he has become a big Trump fan. I think covington was the crack and then Juicy fruit just broke the dam open.

I gotta say it is quite amusing to watch you guys pick apart Mahar and Tim Pool to try and fit them into whichever preordained "side" you people feel they slot into.

 

[diffusionx]

No, they predicted it would collapse if we didn't act. Quarantining is what made the hospitals not collapse in the first place. If none of these procedures were put into place, the country would be in complete and total chaos right now. Way worse than it is. No lockdown is perfect, they're trying to limit as much as they can while still allowing people to do things that allow them to be healthy like go outside for a walk(which is important for health) and going out to buy necessary food and supplies. It's a difficult balance to find.

The numbers are still changing, we don't have a fully accurate read on them yet, that will happen over a longer period of time. Did you not see what things were like in NYC? How they needed to use freezer trucks to transport mass amounts of bodies out of hospitals and dig trenches to bury the dead? You seem to be ignoring that. I can't believe the flu bro conversations still exist with this. It's clearly worse. It's more deadly, it's most contagious.

Wrong wrong wrong. They predicted we would run at or near hospital limit *with* the lockdown. Thats why they turned the Javits Center into a field hospital and why they brought in that Navy ship to dock in the Hudson River. They brought th at stuff here AFTER the lockdown started, claiming hospitals were going to be flooded. It turns out that shit was TOTALLY UNNECESSARY. The Navy ship ended up treating something like 120 people over its entire time in the river. Beds needed were nowhere close to predicted. Just a massive waste of money and time.

I know that this story, that the lockdown saved everything, is what people want desperately to believe, but its just not true. Especially if (for the 1000th time), this virus was in our country in February, which it almost certainly was, moving through the population, making people sick, while we had no lockdown and our health system handled it just fine.

the last thing people want to believe is that they have been locked in their homes, maybe lost their jobs, etc., snd are continuing to suffer, for no real and necessary reason, but that increasingly appears to be the case.

 

[cryptoadam]

I gotta say it is quite amusing to watch you guys pick apart Mahar to try and fit him into whichever preordained "side" you people feel he slots into.

Were talking about Tim Pool actually.

 

[Ornlu]

We have a medicine for those and are widely understood and researched deceases ... ?? So what's your point?

What do you think why world governments are reacting like the way they do?

Good thing that most countries listen to scientists.

1. Sure, we do. Both of those still come around at the usual times each year and reaps a ton of people. Nobody proposes stopping life as we know it for months. Doing so would certainly save thousands of lives, though, correct?

2. (Most) Governments are reacting as they are out of panic and fear. It's the default human response during crisis. They had completely fault data that was showing the virus to be 8-10X more deadly than it is. In reality it is much less deadly, and much more contagious than what was being reported, and thus everyone was set upon the path of quarantine and isolation. It is my opinion (and I could be wrong, of course) that the herd immunity will be the more effective approach in the long run.

3. Scientists can only operate off of the current data; if they're advising correctly based on the wrong data, that still leads to an incorrect solution.

I don't think any of that is unfair; do you?

 

[Phunkydiabetic]

Were talking about Tim Pool actually.

Oh, before that it was Mahar. Regardless it is fascinating, as someone living outside the American bubble looking in, to see how a persons worth or credibility is determined based on something as binary as "right" or "left". It is so silly to see from the outside looking in I assure you.

 

[DragoonKain]

Wrong wrong wrong. They predicted we would run at or near hospital limit *with* the lockdown. Thats why they turned the Javits Center into a field hospital and why they brought in that Navy ship to dock in the Hudson River. They brought th at stuff here AFTER the lockdown started, claiming hospitals were going to be flooded. It turns out that shit was TOTALLY UNNECESSARY. The Navy ship ended up treating something like 120 people over its entire time in the river. Beds needed were nowhere close to predicted. Just a massive waste of money and time.

I know that this story, that the lockdown saved everything, is what people want desperately to believe, but its just not true. Especially if (for the 1000th time), this virus was in our country in February, which it almost certainly was, moving through the population, making people sick, while we had no lockdown and our health system handled it just fine.

They've said from day one that it's better to be overly precautious and be wrong than to not take it seriously enough and be wrong. Who cares if it was unnecessary? It could have been necessary and if we didn't lockdown, it may have been necessary. The point still remains that if we didn't lockdown, things would be significantly worse right now and the hospitals would be collapsing if we didn't.

 

[diffusionx]

They've said from day one that it's better to be overly precautious and be wrong than to not take it seriously enough and be wrong. Who cares if it was unnecessary? It could have been necessary and if we didn't lockdown, it may have been necessary. The point still remains that if we didn't lockdown, things would be significantly worse right now and the hospitals would be collapsing if we didn't.

Ok, so the lockdown was justified when everything was unknown and the models predicted chaos WITH A LOCKDOWN and unprecedented calamity without. So what now, when that chaos objectively didn't come? When it turns out this thing is a tenth or a hundredth as deadly as they thought when they instituted the lockdown? When it turns out many, many, many people have this virus and don't show symptoms or recovered from it like they would the flu? I'm talking millions of people here, just in New York.

enough info has come to make it clear that we dont need to go through with this anymore. yet governors like Newsom are continuing to turn the screws against all the facts right in front of us, and with no logic or discussion. That is what people have a problem with. It's not about "owning the libs" as you claim.

 

[DragoonKain]

Ok, so the lockdown was justified when everything was unknown and the models predicted chaos WITH A LOCKDOWN and unprecedented calamity without. So what now, when that chaos objectively didn't come? When it turns out this thing is a tenth or a hundredth as deadly as they thought when they instituted the lockdown? When it turns out many, many, many people have this virus and don't show symptoms or recovered from it like they would the flu? I'm talking millions of people here, just in New York.

enough info has come to make it clear that we dont need to go through with this anymore. yet governors like Newsom are continuing to turn the screws against all the facts right in front of us, and with no logic or discussion. That is what people have a problem with. It's not about "owning the libs" as you claim.

You saw in New York what happens when this virus gets out. We've all heard from the front line workers at how chaotic it all was. New York showed that we did need the lockdowns. The disease experts are stressing these measures for a reason, it's not just for the hell of it.

Btw we still don't know how many had the virus and didn't know it yet, those are all guesses and projections.

No one wants what happened in New York to happen anywhere else and I can't blame them.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Ok, so the lockdown was justified when everything was unknown and the models predicted chaos WITH A LOCKDOWN and unprecedented calamity without. So what now, when that chaos objectively didn't come? When it turns out this thing is a tenth or a hundredth as deadly as they thought when they instituted the lockdown? When it turns out many, many, many people have this virus and don't show symptoms or recovered from it like they would the flu? I'm talking millions of people here, just in New York.

enough info has come to make it clear that we dont need to go through with this anymore. yet governors like Newsom are continuing to turn the screws against all the facts right in front of us, and with no logic or discussion. That is what people have a problem with. It's not about "owning the libs" as you claim.

Yeah, I'm not going to hate on leaders for deciding to do lockdowns. At the time, with the projections and information they were receiving and considering the chaos in Italy, it made sense to err on the side of caution. As a society, I think everyone has learned a ton in this last month and a half, and it's absolutely time to ease up and let a lot of economic and social activity resume. People are far more educated and serious about social distancing and mask wearing, which combined will do a ton to combat rapid spread.

 

[Starlight Lotice]

Bill still crushes from time to time

Someone should ask Howie if he is okay from 20 foot with a Megaphone, and have tons of Anti-Sceptic wipes on hand.

I honestly don't want him to be so paranoid he is like this.

 

[llien]

Firefighters in Corsica, France, are aiming to teach canines how to sniff out coronavirus, as they can other conditions. It's hoped that detection dogs could be used to identify people with the virus at public places like airports. Their trial is one of several experiments being undertaken in countries including the UK and the USA."Each individual dog can screen up to 250 people per hour," James Logan, head of the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, told The Washington Post. "We are simultaneously working on a model to scale it up so it can be deployed in other countries at ports of entry, including airports." The dogs are trained using urine and saliva samples collected from patients who tested positive and negative for the disease.

"We don't know that this will be the odor of the virus, per se, or the response to the virus, or a combination," Cynthia Otto, director of the Working Dog Center at Penn's School of Veterinary Medicine, told the publication. "The dogs don't care what the odor is ... What they learn is that there's something different about this sample than there is about that sample."

Jokes aside, at this pace (25% of NYC have antibodies) things will be over in about one year, one way or another.

 

[DragoonKain]

Some states have already begun easing the restrictions. Gotta start with the rural and less dense areas first. And see how things go. Just jumping from 0 to 100 in easing lockdowns would be asinine.

Let those states show us how things are going and if they see a major spike in infections again, and go from there. But the biggest and most densely populated cities will be last to ease them.

 

[Nymphae]

Those were projections made by experts. The advice against wearing masks came from experts. The advice against shutting down borders came from experts. There's a theme here. That's not to say we should dismiss them, it's to understand that just because someone is an expert in any given field it doesn't necessarily mean his/her opinion is right.

That's all people have when they refuse to think for themselves, deference to expert consensus. You'd think some people would have learned a thing or two about this after the 2016 election. I love the NYT election night graph:

 

[diffusionx]

You saw in New York what happens when this virus gets out. We've all heard from the front line workers at how chaotic it all was. New York showed that we did need the lockdowns. The disease experts are stressing these measures for a reason, it's not just for the hell of it.

Btw we still don't know how many had the virus and didn't know it yet, those are all guesses and projections.

No one wants what happened in New York to happen anywhere else and I can't blame them.

I'm not sure where you are at. What I saw in New York, living here, was a situation where we handled it just fine in February when it was almost certainly here (seriously, 100% probability it was here in February), when our dim bulb city government encouraged us to go out and mingle in giant crowds. What I saw in New York, again living here, was a situation where the risk for the average person seemed and still seems dramatically overblown and where our existing resources handled even the professed worst case and worst time of the infection.

What I am also seeing, and what I am seeing just from your posts, is that you react to the ridiculously hysterical anecdotal stories that the media is pushing out, because they are scary stories and they get attention and clicks, not because they are telling an accurate reflection of reality. Maybe you should ask why a person who is living in the epicenter of this thing seems totally not scared of it and is not cowering in fear - after all, if I was living through the hell on earth that CNN was proclaiming, wouldn't that not be the case?

New York is totally ready for these restrictions to be eased. It is more ready than anyone else. If 2-3 million people have it, as antibody tests have shown (antibody tests which, by the way, are consistent with every antibody study that has been conducted), we are already well on our way and can handle this just fine.

 

[ManaByte]

 

[eot]

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Bill Maher may be right about quarantine and some other things but he's still an insufferable twit.

Are Walmart Super Stores open?

 

[eot]

 

[Collz69]

Local woman, ( I've never seen her walking anywhere in the past 15 years) has spent the last 4 weeks marching around our local footpaths and lakes chastising people for having BBQ's, picnics and in particular anyone fishing. All over Facebook posting pictures of "offenders" and ranting on local groups about "naming & shaming" calling the police, local council and emailing the environment agency numerous times on a daily basis then losing her shit when the police don't turn up and drag people away!..............

Now tests positive for C-19
Maybe should have just stayed at home like she normally would!