Microsoft Games Showcase Event Today (11am ET / 8am PT / 4pm UK)

Coolwhhip said:
Phil Spencer approved this as their first games reveal of the next Xbox. I just don't think he has it in him to turn Xbox around.
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Even if they said this was crossgen stuff, the idea that they should show these games as "first XSX gameplay" really tells me they don't know what they're doing. He really isn't the guy. I like him, but no.
 
VlaudTheImpaler said:
That sounds incredibly unfair to those smaller studios. I think people need to take a step back and realize that these smaller studios have a tiny fraction of the marketing budget that these larger one do. It can be a huge blessing for them to get any kind of exposure and to preface an event with something akin to, "here are our crap tier games, ps. the "better" ones come later so you don't need to watch" just seems so wrong. Especially when some of the games shown actually DO look really interesting.
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To me the ordering is just wrong. They should have just done the big blow out next month focused on the first party and third party AAA stuff to have some wow factor and then done another one later with these AA and indie games to give them a spot light. Much like how Nintendo has their seperate Nindies direct to give those games the spot light and not just bury them behind the first party stuff in their main directs.
 
bosnianpie said:
I'm not sure what MS was aiming for here but I think they made a miscalculation. People have high expectations now before every piece of the new consoles is being shown and this was not really impressive.
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I think was mostly for the smaller developers. Give them a chance to show of their upcoming games now that E3 is cancelled.

Bigger developers like EA have their own channels to show their games and can gather the audience themselves.

I think we are so starved for news so we over hyped it.
 
VlaudTheImpaler said:
That sounds incredibly unfair to those smaller studios. I think people need to take a step back and realize that these smaller studios have a tiny fraction of the marketing budget that these larger one do. It can be a huge blessing for them to get any kind of exposure and to preface an event with something akin to, "here are our crap tier games, ps. the "better" ones come later so you don't need to watch" just seems so wrong. Especially when some of the games shown actually DO look really interesting.
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That's all fine but

DON'T LEAD OFF YOUR KEYNOTE REVEAL WITH BUDGET TITLES

I just can't understand why they would do that
 
KAL2006 said:
People saying it's your fault for expecting too much are ridiculous. This video has many dislikes on YouTube. People on Twitter are not happy etc.

And Microsoft although said it was 3rd party, they still hyped it. People expected Elden Ring, Batman, Harry Potter, and actual gameplay of Assassin's Creed. Not a bunch of indie games.

Here is a quote of Xbox tweet
"Tommorow changes the game, or rather games do the changing"

They hyped this up as first look at next gen gameplay.

If they just dropped this and said here is a bunch of cross gen games the day before no one would be disappointed.

The downplaying of people saying this was a good idea is rather strange.
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if people expected certain games and they didn't get them that is not on Microsoft's fault. It is ludicrous to suggest that Microsoft failed by not showing off Eldon Ring or Harry Potter. ROFL
 
Stuart360 said:
Its the same game. The one on Steam is basically a glorified demo of the 'full game', hense the price. I even played the level you see in the Xbox vid, with all the wind and effects going on.
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You can say with ONE HUNDRED PERCENT certainty that NOTHING at all was added or boosted graphically for the release version shown today?
 
SotaSkoldier said:
Cross generation games that are being optimized for the Series X from third party developers kills your hype for a next gen console without seeing anything from their first party? lol.
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Even third party games should look better on next gen than typical Xbox one / PS4 game. I guess I was expecting too much from 12 TF GPU.
 
It was mediocre. I don't really know why this event was necessary tbh. They should have just let IGN handle the third party games and go all out with their first party over the coming months like is planned.
 
VlaudTheImpaler said:
That sounds incredibly unfair to those smaller studios. I think people need to take a step back and realize that these smaller studios have a tiny fraction of the marketing budget that these larger one do. It can be a huge blessing for them to get any kind of exposure and to preface an event with something akin to, "here are our crap tier games, ps. the "better" ones come later so you don't need to watch" just seems so wrong. Especially when some of the games shown actually DO look really interesting.
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Why do you have to twist my words? How were they unfair?
Let's be honest: Most people want to see the new Fable and Halo with AAA next-gen graphics.
That doesn't mean the smaller studios are worth nothing and I didn't even write anything like that. Still you HAVE to announce those smaller studios building as the main part of such an event so people know what they can expect.
You see what happens if Microsoft doesn't do anything like that: Disappointment. If THAT fair to those smaller studios? Why didn't they just go all out and announced AA and indie titles being the main part before hand and promised people "game changing reveals by third party developers" instead?
 
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SotaSkoldier said:
if people expected certain games and they didn't get them that is not on Microsoft's fault. It is ludicrous to suggest that Microsoft failed by not showing off Eldon Ring or Harry Potter. ROFL
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Why wouldn't you lead off with your biggest titles in a world premiere?

It just devalues your product and this backlash is the result
 
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Who cares if some of their smaller games don't look as good, fine, why consciously choose those games as the machine's hyped first gameplay reveal? Who is running things at Xbox? If Sony comes out and shows gameplay of first party stuff before MS does, it's going to confuse the casuals, even some hardcore that this power advantage isn't really there. They needed to come out swinging.
 
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Claus Grimhildyr said:
Nah. The guy just likes joining cliques to feed his like-dislike ratio. He was doing the same thing with Sony not too long ago.
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Are you serious? I have openly voiced my excitement for both the PS5 and XsX, that's not okay? I have to pick a side? What the hell are you talking about?

I find it ironic that Alter accused me of blindly defending when he has been hurling just wild hyberbolic statements since he entered the thread. I didn't have an issue with people being disappointed, when Alter started saying 360 games look better than what was shown today, yeah that's bullshit

Calling me a MS mole? get the fuck out of here

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and what fucking cliques are you even referring to?
 
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Microsoft clearly lied about gameplay part and they obviously lied about next gen part since all these games are current gen games. Anybody defending them is a blind fanboy.
 
Romulus said:
Who cares if some of their smaller games don't look as good, fine, why consciously choose those games as the machine's hyped first gameplay reveal? Who is running things at Xbox? If Sony comes out and shows gameplay of first party stuff before MS does, it's going to confuse the casuals, even some hardcore that this power advantage isn't really there. They needed to out swinging. You only get one first impression of gameplay.
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It defies comprehension other than some variant of 'first to market'

But when that product sux you're up shit creek
 
SotaSkoldier said:
if people expected certain games and they didn't get them that is not on Microsoft's fault. It is ludicrous to suggest that Microsoft failed by not showing off Eldon Ring or Harry Potter. ROFL
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Well, it's Microsofts fault they went with "third party developers" and just didn't go with "Ubisoft, AA and indie developers".
This way people wouldn't have expected megatons by AAA studios.
 
XanderCell said:
Call me crazy but shouldn't Microsoft's first look into next gen have been a first look into their exclusives and showing the world why they need an xbox series x over a playstation, i mean first impressions mean alot, i bet when sony unveils they show a couple of their big exclusives mixed in with big triple a games.
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Why, when third party games are the best sellers
 
Damn we sure were lucky to get all that "gameplay".
I woke up early for that shit.

To not be entirely negative. I am interested in The Medium (or anything with Yamaoka in it) and Valhalla does peak my interest. That Chinese game looked cool, and interesting that I made by one guy.
 
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Nice to see a lot of new IP. As an Xbox Series X showcase however, it was not great. At the end of the day, I don't think this moves the needle either way.

Looking forward to the July event!
 
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Geki-D said:
Third parties tend to always lag behind at the start of a gen, even new gen launch games are built mainly off current gen engines and know-how. They could have shown us stuff meant for later but I think this event was really for day one games. Look back at the start of this gen, besides Killzone Shadow Fall & Ryse, all of the third party games were pretty much souped up PS3/360 games.
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Lawrence 'Chunk' Cohen said:
Ryse was a first party, current gen only game, right?

These were third party cross-gens.

A more apt comparison would be Battlefield 4 on PS4/XBO vs 360/PS3, which was mostly a resolution boost and some better settings, which is what we are getting here.
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True, but I would say the difference is that there was a Ryse; that there were full-on next-gen games that sold us on the future.

Or maybe a more apt comparison that follows your example would be WatchDogs, which was stealth-shown as a next-gen game (back before they could confirm it was on either PS4 or Xbox One, as the console embargoes were still in effect) but then had a past-gen version which was mostly similar but still showed a gap between the two generations ... and then also, the next-gen footage was embroiled in bullshot scandal and no version of the game actually met the next-gen quality while also they hid the past-gen version from being shown until it was actually on shelves, and it's all a long story...

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...Point being, thought, that when we saw WatchDogs and Star Wars 1313 (another stealth-shown next-gen game, and also another long story,) those demos were convincing at the time that next-gen was next-gen. And in addition to the still-stunning Ryse, we had Dead Rising 3, which stood out as decidedly next-gen compared to DR2. Even if some of the games shown in the days leading up to the launch also ended up on past-gen (that 360 version of TitanFall 1 still blows me away,) we had an idea early on of how much these new systems were capable of. They showed cross-platform games which were clearly better on the new system, they showed launch exclusives which were (in most cases) a step up about the cross-platform games, and they also showed some tech demos and future projects way down the road (some of which never launched) which made a case for impossibility without the power of next-gen.

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With this generation, we are so far, IMO, still missing that impact moment of showing the leap. In a way, Microsoft did some damage to next-gen with this show by outright stating the situation: This generation will be the last-generation + resolution/FX and or framerate bumps. (Not that I think Sony is any different kind of boat, and I think that may be one of the reasons why they're slower than MS to make a formal PS5 showcase, especially now without press events to help spin hype for 120fps and dynamic audio and things that don't come through in YT trailers.)

Don't get me wrong, I personally liked a number of games in this show, and with or without exclusives that nuke my brain I'm still seeing the clear advantages of framerate and feature set and audio tech that next-gen is bringing (that Microsoft "Project Acoustics" audio demo was the most next-gen shit I've seen yet, or rather heard,) I'm sold on upgrading. But for me, that's what these new platforms represent right now: an upgrade, not a new thing.
 
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Compsiox said:
OH MY GOD. One event was mediocre. Phil should be forced to retire.
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You know it's not just one event. This is where Xbox either starts to make a comeback or stays behind Playstation. And it was a poor showing. Their first party games event will matter more for sure. But it's a poor start.
 
Lawrence 'Chunk' Cohen said:
How many different ways can you post you think its all shit?
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I've said it time and time again this thread, there were some nice moments but the prevailing thought is that nothing about this presentation screamed next gen

And it's been pounded into our heads how good this gen is going to be

Do I need to link you to the threads?
 
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I had low expectations and it was still disappointing.

Calling this a 3rd party showcase is a huge stretch. This was a showcase of another Assassin's Creed cinematic plus some nobodys who could only be asked to tease their very current gen looking indie games with short trailers.

Where was Capcom, Take2, WB, Techland, CdProject, Ubisofts other franchises or anyone else of note?

This show, if it needed to exist at all, should have been relegated to an aftershow from the actual nextgen showcase and in short order. Not as THE initial and only "nextgen" showing by 1-2 months.

I've said this before and I'll say it again, every single publisher is failing to market nextgen hardware right now and I have no idea why. Covid19 is a bullshit excuse, it was bad before then. The marketing has been drip feed garbage for two years.

Sony showed what to do 7 years ago. Nintendo, just 4 years ago, did an all digital reveal and marketing campaign that whipped people into a frenzy. Do that.
 
Alter_Fridge said:
It defies comprehension other than some variant of 'first to market'

But when that product sux you're up shit creek
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It's not just this post but several from you, and it seems you only want to antagonize.

Dial back the console warring in here, or more warnings and removals will be issued.

This goes for everyone. Thank you.
 
Coolwhhip said:
You know it's not just one event. This is where Xbox either starts to make a comeback or stays behind Playstation. And it was a poor showing. Their first party games event will matter more for sure. But it's a poor start.
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Seeing as all of these games will also be on PS5 and very likely look or perform worse there, I don't see how this puts them behind anyone. Again, it was not a good Series X showcase at all, but quit acting like this somehow kills Xbox. At least they are showing games.
 
KAL2006 said:
People that have been bashing Sony and saying Microsoft have had great communication. People said the PS5 showing with Cerny was shit. People were saying Knack was a strange game to show first for PS4. This isn't about fanboys or console wars, it's people's honest opinion of how bad this stream was and Microsoft hyping it up. They should have just said we will have a video of Series X enhanced games and Assassin's Creed and Madden.
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Again it happens both sides and yes this gen Sony has killed it. Where do u think all the likes on the pic come from? Works both ways when positive news comes on Xbox they get bashed to. They are the first to show console first to talk about specs and true to their word showed some third party games
 
Mod of War said:
It's not just this post but several from you, and it seems you only want to antagonize.

Dial back the console warring in here, or more warnings and removals will be issued.

This goes for everyone. Thank you.
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I don't want to antagonise. I've stated numerous times that I wanted Microsoft to win me over plenty times this thread. And I've outlined my argument in a rational way each time
 
Coolwhhip said:
You know it's not just one event. This is where Xbox either starts to make a comeback or stays behind Playstation. And it was a poor showing. Their first party games event will matter more for sure. But it's a poor start.
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Phil isn't thinking about console wars. Sorry. The Xbox Series X is already guaranteed to do better than the Xbox One because of Gamepass, most powerful hardware (or at least because it's not significantly less powerful like last time), and this time the marketing didn't threaten consumer rights. They're on the right path, your mind is just in the wrong space.
 
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Fanboy wars and flag flying aside, there is a concern that is being lost in the argument:

"game and console in development, expected gameplay of xbox series x"

Forget that this is an xbox, or Microsoft or even a console. How can I be confident in a product today, that is meant to release in 6 months, that is still in development?
 
I still stand by, that getting Digital Foundry involved and having pre-recorded gameplay for some of these titles or even titles that have already released running on Series X would have been a great thing to show. Especially if they did a comparison.
 
SotaSkoldier said:
if people expected certain games and they didn't get them that is not on Microsoft's fault. It is ludicrous to suggest that Microsoft failed by not showing off Eldon Ring or Harry Potter. ROFL
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Microsoft hyped this show up. They didn't specifically say Elden Ring etc.

But when you say get hyped we about to change the game first next gen gameplay. Anyone would be dissapoited with that showing

When they said 3rd party games no one expected majority would be AA games on Steam. When they said next gen games, people thought we would get some crazy graphics, and lol they even had text stating representative of what they think will look like on Series X (so it's probably a Steam game). When they said gameplay people thought actual gameplay of Assassin's creed not in-game cutscenes.

Yes technically they delivered what they advertised. Even a Minecraft or Tetris port would count as next gen gameplay.
Gameplay of Assassin's Creed is technically correct even though it's in game cutscene lol.

But to deny this was not misleading, or to not understand why people were dissapoited makes me think you on Microsoft payroll defending them. I'm just pointing out the obvious how shit this stream was. I'm no fanboy I even said that Cerny showing of PS5 was bad.
 
Compsiox said:
Phil isn't thinking about console wars. Sorry. The Xbox Series X is already guaranteed to do better than the Xbox One because of Gamepass, most powerful hardware (or at least because it's not significantly less powerful like last time), and this time the marketing didn't threaten consumer rights. They're on the right path, your mind is just in the wrong space.
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Nothing is guaranteed in the gaming industry.
 
its not bad, but its not great either. These games are being developed for Xbone X and Xbone in mind. When are they gonna cut off Xbone? Its more of an appetizer before the main course meal. At least its giving us something next gen as oppose to nothing. I was not disappointed because I kept my expectations low. I am glad indie developers are getting the support from MSFT.

Will Sony have a dedicated online reveal time for third party and indie games like Microsoft?

Microsoft has a serious branding and marketing problem. Apple and Sony shit on Microsoft all the way on this. Microsoft has the surface series, which does make money and are decent products, but whatever Apple does with its IPAD line is new and revolutionary. Sony has the PlayStation loyalty and branding, if this was a Sony reveal do you guys think it would be getting dislikes and negativity like MSFT is getting now?
 
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