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[VlaudTheImpaler]

For me?

Because I saw the leaks and then looked into Druckmann... I think it's gone too far in one direction and it's starting to have an effect on the industry as a whole.

"so while working on The Last of Us, I had this secret agenda - I wanted to create one of the coolest, non-sexualized female video game protagonists. And I felt like, with The Last of Us, if we did that, there's an opportunity here to change the industry." -Neil Druckmann

Secret agenda to change the industry... You really think those agendas have stopped? Guess what helps those agendas? Success and praise and admiration. Which he gets in spades. Even when what people love most about the game is the animations and artwork .etc.

"When I'm introducing and describing a new character to our lead character concept artist, constantly she will ask, 'What if it was a girl?'" Druckmann said, when asked how his interest in the work of Feminist Frequency affected the recent PlayStation 4 game. "And I'm like, Oh, I didn't think about that. Let me think, does that affect or change anything? No? Cool, that's different. Yeah, let's do it." -Neil Druckmann

He's talking about changing the gender of a main character at the toss of a coin... like gender is swappable and doesn't even mean anything... for a main character... And notice, the question is always, "what if it's a girl?" Not, "or guy." Constantly asking to think about changing lead characters to girls...

Commies, ADL, and supported by EA, teaming up for another "Gamers are Dead" scenario

https://reclaimthenet.org/no-pixels-for-fascists/ And here is where EA supporting the project And here where we have the founder of "No Pixels For Fascist" is a legitimate Commie that supported East Germany and ratted out escapees.

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SJW's like Anita want to change the entire industry. And they do that by getting as many people to "listen" to them as possible, implanting ideas. Druckmann is listening. He's said so himself. Anita doesn't want to stop at just gender swaps either.

How Anita Sarkeesian wants videogames to change

So Anita Sarkeesian in her latest NYU talk aired her opinion on what needs to change in videogames and the industry itself. Instead of reading through the entire thing, here is an abridged version …

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I see this as them getting their foot in the door. This happens slowly and carefully sometimes. But I strongly believe they aren't going to stop there.

So, for me, I hate this SJW crap and I don't want it seeping into and infecting games that I might enjoy otherwise. Especially into my favorite series. Writers and devs look to the audience at times for inspiration. So this is me using my voice to state that I wouldn't want this crap in a game. I've had enough.

If you hate this crap too but love the series then I get how tough this is but just know that speaking out isn't going to hurt it. If anything, they may get the message that fans are sick of this crap and the next game could be better off for it.

 

[yeeeeeezy]

Than why the fuck do you care? I'm sorry but you sound like an ass right now. You don't know why people are upset at TLOU spoilers. It looks like you are more upset that YouTubers made youtube videos based on the thumbnails..

By the way, multiple people have responded to that video in the op and you've ignored them. What is the point of this thread, honestly? Is this just another weak attempt to defend Neil and Naughty Dog?

Quote the best argument you have found in this thread and I'll respond to it.

 

[yeeeeeezy]

For me?

Because I saw the leaks and then looked into Druckmann... I think it's gone too far in one direction and it's starting to have an effect on the industry as a whole.

"so while working on The Last of Us, I had this secret agenda - I wanted to create one of the coolest, non-sexualized female video game protagonists. And I felt like, with The Last of Us, if we did that, there's an opportunity here to change the industry." -Neil Druckmann

Secret agenda to change the industry... You really think those agendas have stopped? Guess what helps those agendas? Success and praise and admiration. Which he gets in spades.

This "secret agenda" which he has spoken openly about resulted in one of the best games/characters of last generation. What's the problem?

 

[VlaudTheImpaler]

This "secret agenda" which he has spoken openly about resulted in one of the best games/characters of last generation. What's the problem?

Maybe read the rest of my post?

 

[Jubenhimer]

What was the problem with Uncharted 4? I'm genuinely curious.

It was mostly a good game. But Nadine who as somebody else mentioned, served little purpose in the game, other than one sequence where she kicked Nate's ass just to show that she's a "strong independent black woman". And the fact that the kid that Nate and Elena have was changed to a girl at the last minute. UC4 is still well received for the most part. But there were quite a few head scratchers that hinted that something was off about Naughty Dog's recent direction.

Ah yes, the great identity politics of Uncharted 4, in which Nadine is the *checks notes* 6th most important character to that games story? And is in about 3 scenes.

That's kind of why people didn't like her in UC4. She served little purpose other than to show how badass she was. I haven't seen much of Lost Legacy, so they may have fleshed out her character more in that game. But in UC4, she could've been written out of the game entirely and little would change.

 

[yeeeeeezy]

Maybe read the rest of my post?

How? It's just fear mongering about what you think is to come.

 

[Strategize]

It was mostly a good game. But Nadine who as somebody else mentioned, served little purpose in the game, other than one sequence where she kicked Nate's ass just to show that she's a "strong independent black woman". And the fact that the kid that Nate and Elena have was changed to a girl at the last minute. UC4 is still well received for the most part. But there were quite a few head scratchers that hinted that something was off about Naughty Dog's recent direction.



That's kind of why people didn't like her in UC4. She served little purpose other than to show how badass she was. I haven't seen much of Lost Legacy, so they may have fleshed out her character more in that game. But in UC4, she could've been written out of the game entirely and little would change.

I just see her as a secondary bond villain character where she's either getting into fights with bond or providing the main baddie with resources for money. Character's like that can serve their purpose to the story without having some gigantic deep impact.

 

[MacReady13]

Do you really think Ellie is a good role model?

Exactly! She murders people viciously. Great role model... but lets make sure we don't overly sexualize her look as that and that alone would be the wrong thing to show young girls! Fucking PLEASE!!!

 

[yeeeeeezy]

Exactly! She murders people viciously. Great role model... but lets make sure we don't overly sexualize her look as that and that alone would be the wrong thing to show young girls! Fucking PLEASE!!!

"she shouldn't murder anyone and should just lay down and get murdered by them. Killing would never happen in the apocalypse. Ridiculous!"

 

[Rean no Kiseki]

So? His game, his characters.

Logic in muh Neogaf!?
DELETE DIS NOW!

Spoiler: Don't click

It's simple really, most are upset since Left Behind was released since it made Ellie a lesbian which kills the fantasy some had of fucking her, it's the same thing as the virginity obsession otakus have with idols

 

[oagboghi2]

Quote the best argument you have found in this thread and I'll respond to it.

And he has every right to do so but so is every other developers free to make any type characters they want. Most people issue with him is he thinks character with sexy design are automatically bad characters and poorly designed just because they are "sexy".

A comment that went straight to the heart of the matter was posted pages ago.

Neil has a particular view of "females" in gaming. The video you posted made that abundantly clear. Why this thread exists makes no sense. People aren't angry at the TLOU spoilers because Ellie has muscles or fired a gun, but you dishonestly tried to conflate objections to the plot, and what happened in the game to the character design of TLOU.

Also, for people who go on and on about developers "having the freedom to make what they want", I find it funny that you people are the first to cry and whine when people dissent.

Yes,people might disagree with Neils's design choices. So fucking what. Does everyone have to agree with every artistic choice Naughty Dog makes? Since when have they been above criticism?

Neil made a presentation stating his opinions on a subject, people disagree with a said opinion, and you made this thread because....you're upset people disagree?

 

[VlaudTheImpaler]

How? It's just fear mongering about what you think is to come.

What I think is to come with ample evidence. But you probably didn't even read or look at it. Not my fault if you want to hand wave the signs everyone is waving in your face and to let it get to the point it actually kills your desire to play one of your fav games because it infected it. That is, if you actually can't stand sjw crap in the first place... Which I'm starting to seriously doubt. For many of us, it's already gone too far. It's not our fault you can't see that and that you can't see the writing on the wall for what's to come.

Or are you trying to tell me the industry is moving away from identity politics? If it isn't, then what makes you so sure that Neil is going to be safe from it... given that he's already stated, in my post above, that he takes que's from them...? He's freely admitted to working with Anita. You really think they aren't going to try to push the envelope even more? Especially seeing as that's what she loves to do and she has Neil's ear?

You can sit back and wait till the water rises above your head to do something. But I can feel my ankles getting wet so I'm going to start doing something now and voice my opinion.

 

[Jon Neu]

Quote the best argument you have found in this thread and I'll respond to it.

You should first adress any other argument with anything resembling a solid argumentation.

So far you are just throwing a tantrum because people don't like the toxic political beliefs Cuckmann is putting into games literally for propaganda use.

Cuckmann is free to do whatever he wants.

And we are free to critizice his politically motivated designs, such as those scenes of feminist masturbation in which Nadine beats Nathan and Sam at the same time.

We could call it the "feminazi gaze".

That, or "delicious hypocrisy".

 

[GreenAlien]

The whole thread is a trap. Ellies design, on it's own, isn't the issue.

Also, I have seen no calls for changes to her design, or that it needs to be banned or censored or something. Just criticism.

People are criticizing it because they just don't like it or/and don't like what it stands for. So what?
Why does that bother you?

 

[BacklashWave534]

Because no one should care about a small group of twitter warriors.

Couldn't have said it better myself!

 

[oagboghi2]

The whole thread is a trap. Ellies design, on it's own, isn't the issue.

Also, I have seen no calls for changes to her design, or that it needs to be banned or censored or something. Just criticism.

People are criticizing it because they just don't like it or/and don't like what it stands for. So what?
Why does that bother you?

This is another thing. The game is finished. Nothing will change. Nothing was ever going to change regardless of what people say, so why do some people like the op care? Why do some people bristle so easily if anything close to criticism is aired

 

[Saber]

"she shouldn't murder anyone and should just lay down and get murdered by them. Killing would never happen in the apocalypse. Ridiculous!"

Don't go pretending to be dumb now. LoU is clearly not a game to looking for role models(regardless of their gender) or even morals.

 

[yeeeeeezy]

What I think is to come with ample evidence. But you probably didn't even read or look at it. Not my fault if you want to hand wave the signs everyone is waving in your face and to let it get to the point it actually kills your desire to play one of your fav games because it infected it. That is, if you actually can't stand sjw crap in the first place... Which I'm starting to seriously doubt. For many of us, it's already gone too far. It's not our fault you can't see that and that you can't see the writing on the wall for what's to come.

dude the only examples someone gave when I asked how it went sjw in the spoiler thread is the lesbian romance and a strong muscular woman. That's some weak tea man. I'm not that sensitive and I feel sorry for anyone who is.

Or are you trying to tell me the industry is moving away from identity politics? If it isn't, then what makes you so sure that Neil is going to be safe from it... given that he's already stated, in my post above, that he takes que's from them...? He's freely admitted to working with Anita. You really think they aren't going to try to push the envelope even more? Especially seeing as that's what she loves to do and she has Neil's ear?

I'm not even touching the industry. My post is entirely abut ND. I'm well aware most of the industry is in San Fran/Cali. And I've granted that he's taken cue's from feminists like Anita - specifically nonsexualized female characters. And my response every time is that it resulted in one of the best games of last generation.

Like let's say whatever game Neil makes next is not going to have sexualized female characters. But they're fucking fantastic characters, well written with great depth. Like TLOU was. WHAT'S THE PROBLEM?

 

[darkinstinct]

So there's been a lot of talk about this clip where he explains how it bothers him how many female game characters are hypersexualized in games. He explains how he wanted a good role model for his daughter who isn't sexualized so he set out to create one in Ellie.

Serious question - why does this clip bother so many people? Ellie is one of the most beloved characters in gaming. She was heavily influenced by Neil's politics.. So what?

I'll just wait 18 more years and watch his daughter want to become a porn star. And then I ask him how that worked out with those role models.

 

[MacReady13]

"she shouldn't murder anyone and should just lay down and get murdered by them. Killing would never happen in the apocalypse. Ridiculous!"

So the sexualization is NOT ok with her character because NO ONE in an apocalypse could look sexy, yet killing is fine and great to show to young girls as great role models. Is that correct?

 

[Jtibh]

but I must get my rage on from 'rageoholic'. And again with the mocking of muscular women. For the life of me I don't understand how you can be against identity politics and then rage about the identity of the individual (muscular woman).

Trick question.

Who is the muscular woman cuz ellie aint it

 

[BacklashWave534]

So there's been a lot of talk about this clip where he explains how it bothers him how many female game characters are hypersexualized in games. He explains how he wanted a good role model for his daughter who isn't sexualized so he set out to create one in Ellie.

Serious question - why does this clip bother so many people? Ellie is one of the most beloved characters in gaming. She was heavily influenced by Neil's politics.. So what?

Well, i may be old fashioned but no where in any of my MBA classes did they teach us to push identity politics to maximize twitter retweets. If you are trying to maximize your profitability you reach out to the largest base possible. There is plenty of data out there that indicates that both men and women prefer pretty women in their movies, games, etc. No disrespect but the SJW push that all women must look like men or be ugly does not sell. But it does produce a hell of a lot of retweets. If it were my business and i were responsible for answering to shareholders i would prefer reporting sales numbers and not how popular i have become on twitter. On a final note, the guy did have some good ideas when he started out but was directly influenced by the human trash, Anita Sakeeesian. So are the politics really his or is he a weak minded simpleton who gave in to Anita.

 

[Metnut]

Good post by the OP. I like it when game developers have freedom to tell the kind of stories they want. You want to tell a story about a butch lesbian in a post-apocalyptic world? Great. You want to do an open world rpg in 15th century Bavaria and not have diverse characters because you're going for historical accuracy? I get it.

It's just so tiring seeing the culture warriors freak out over everything. You have clowns complaining that TLOU2 is too SJW so they boycott it and clowns saying Kingdom Come is racist so they boycott that game.

Personally, I think all of these people are nuts and wish they'd go away. The ironic thing is that the people constantly complaining about wokeism have more in common with the people who call everything racist than they realize.

 

[bohrdom]

Don't go pretending to be dumb now. LoU is clearly not a game to looking for role models(regardless of their gender) or even morals.

It's unfortunate that he used the phrase "role models". I think what LoU executed incredibly well are characters with depth. It was something that no other studio in the industry pulled off correctly/well.

And regarding Anita Sarkeesian. Whatever your thoughts are about her, you can't deny that she did have an impact on the industry. She did bring representation issues front and center. I'm by no means a fan of her methods but I do think there is some truth in what she has to say.

 

[Jtibh]

Good post by the OP. I like it when game developers have freedom to tell the kind of stories they want. You want to tell a story about a butch lesbian in a post-apocalyptic world? Great. You want to do an open world rpg in 15th century Bavaria and not have diverse characters because you're going for historical accuracy? I get it.

It's just so tiring seeing the culture warriors freak out over everything. You have clowns complaining that TLOU2 is too SJW so they boycott it and clowns saying Kingdom Come is racist so they boycott that game.

Personally, I think all of these people are nuts and wish they'd go away. The ironic thing is that the people constantly complaining about wokeism have more in common with the people who call everything racist than they realize.

Oh look another one with a years old account who only shows up to push an agenda but otherwise vanishes like a fart in the sahara
Man how many of you are there??

 

[yeeeeeezy]

And he has every right to do so but so is every other developers free to make any type characters they want. Most people issue with him is he thinks character with sexy design are automatically bad characters and poorly designed just because they are "sexy".

He doesn't say anything about them being 'bad characters' b/c too sexy. His critique was very specific - He doesn't like overly sexualized characters. It's funny many accuse this of being an SJW feminist value (which it is) but it overlaps deeply with conservative values. Every conservative wants their daughter dressing modestly. Heck,I think every dad wants their daughter dressing modestly. So when he sets out to create a nonsexualized female character that his daughter can look up to, I don't see the issue.

 

[wolywood]

It was mostly a good game. But Nadine who as somebody else mentioned, served little purpose in the game, other than one sequence where she kicked Nate's ass just to show that she's a "strong independent black woman". And the fact that the kid that Nate and Elena have was changed to a girl at the last minute. UC4 is still well received for the most part. But there were quite a few head scratchers that hinted that something was off about Naughty Dog's recent direction.



That's kind of why people didn't like her in UC4. She served little purpose other than to show how badass she was. I haven't seen much of Lost Legacy, so they may have fleshed out her character more in that game. But in UC4, she could've been written out of the game entirely and little would change.

Ah, Nadine. Funny thing is, didn't Naughty Dog face some backlash themselves for casting a white woman as the voice actor for that role?

 

[Metnut]

Oh look another one with a years old account who only shows up to push an agenda but otherwise vanishes like a fart in the sahara
Man how many of you are there??

Did I trigger you? Looks like I did enough for you to stalk me.

If you don't like what I said, how about responding to my point like a grown up.

 

[Shadowstar39]

It's their game. Why do we even care if video game characters are sexualized when real women and porn exists?

Well ask the insane feminists and activists who go after low hanging fruit of video games, instead of that.

I think they do it because they want men to be mad like they are, or don't want us enjoying games. Somehow I picture some girlfriend mad that her boyfriend is playing a game and not worshiping her and then sees the pretty ladies and feels jealous and wants them destroyed. Or they are indoctrinated with intersectionality and identity politics, take your pick.

As for why they don't go after porn and rap music and prostitution, etc... because feminists are crazy. They are fine with that as its "empowerment" to be a slut or whore in their eyes. As long as they consent to it then they are fine with riding the ck carousel.

"Oh you took 3 at once, how progressive, how stunning and brave, way to stick it to the patriarchy. Destroyer of marriage, dumpster of batter. Yaaaaasss, Slay queen!!!! "

I won't take any feminist seriously until they start hitting hard at porn, prostitution, rap, countries where women can't drive without men present... you know real life things that actually do hurt women to some degree. A lady with cleavage in a video game isn't hurting anyone. You can see so much more walking down a street or the beach in the summer.

Until they start hitting real issues and not easy ones to piss off guys because the media has their back, they will get made fun of by me.

 

[VlaudTheImpaler]

dude the only examples someone gave when I asked how it went sjw in the spoiler thread is the lesbian romance and a strong muscular woman. That's some weak tea man. I'm not that sensitive and I feel sorry for anyone who is.

You can try to downplay good arguments that you've heard like this but it's only hurting you and making you look bad man. Just say that you don't understand. Don't try to make them look dumb because you didn't understand it. People have different thresholds for what they can tolerate. Not everyone is going to be the same as you. And that "woman" you are talking about can't be talked about here. Go to the spoiler thread and I'll link you to a post where I've already posted my thoughts on why it's so dumb. And perhaps some other stuff I've been thinking about that I just can't get out of my head.

If you actually want to have a convo that is...

I'm not even touching the industry. My post is entirely abut ND. I'm well aware most of the industry is in San Fran/Cali. And I've granted that he's taken cue's from feminists like Anita - specifically nonsexualized female characters. And my response every time is that it resulted in one of the best games of last generation.

Like let's say whatever game Neil makes next is not going to have sexualized female characters. But they're fucking fantastic characters, well written with great depth. Like TLOU was. WHAT'S THE PROBLEM?

Like I said, the problem is them wanting to infect the entire industry dude. I could give a flip what Neil wants to do to a new IP as long as he's open about it and stays in his flipping lane. But secret feminist agendas to change the entire industry are a no no. Also, tread lightly on a new addition to a beloved series. Obviously many think the sequel has lost the plot.

 

[Jtibh]

Did I trigger you?

Nope dont care.
Just want to make it clear to others who they are dealing with.
As in fake accounts.
May the mods decide on this.

 

[yeeeeeezy]

So the sexualization is NOT ok with her character because NO ONE in an apocalypse could look sexy, yet killing is fine and great to show to young girls as great role models. Is that correct?

No, killing isn't "fine". It's the reality of a post apocalyptic world like TLOU. Kill or be killed. Ellie is living in that world. Holding Ellie to the same moral standard we hold ourselves to is absurd. We're living in disneyland compared to the world she's living in.

 

[Metnut]

Nope dont care.
Just want to make it clear to others who they are dealing with.
As in fake accounts.
May the mods decide on this.

There's nothing fake about my account sir.

Sorry that you judge the merit of people's opinions based on their post count on a video game message board. Hope that's working out well for you.

For me, I'll continue mostly reading and chiming in only when I feel like it.

 

[GreenAlien]

It's funny many accuse this of being an SJW feminist value (which it is) but it overlaps deeply with conservative values.

"We" don't like those religious/conservative/opportunistic "women in games should hide their sinful bodies/"video games are evil"/"cause gun violence" types here either. But those battles have already been fought and won years ago.

They are not the ones making trouble right now.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Oh look another one with a years old account who only shows up to push an agenda but otherwise vanishes like a fart in the sahara
Man how many of you are there??

sLeEpEr cElLs rIsE uP uP aNd aWaAaYyYy

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

sLeEpEr cElLs rIsE uP uP aNd aWaAaYyYy

I fear you, Deep. In a loving way.

 

[MacReady13]

No, killing isn't "fine". It's the reality of a post apocalyptic world like TLOU. Kill or be killed. Ellie is living in that world. Holding Ellie to the same moral standard we hold ourselves to is absurd. We're living in disneyland compared to the world she's living in.

So you keep avoiding the question- if she had a bigger bust would she be any LESS of a role model in part 2? Why did she have to be de-sexualized in the original? Why did her girlfriend in the game need to have smaller breasts than what her real life model had? Is there something wrong with larger breasted women? Wouldn't they exist in a post apocalypse? Aren't lesbians allowed to have large breasts?

Look, it's Neil's decision and I have no issue if that is what he wants, but we can't question these things?

 

[Whitesnake]

He doesn't say anything about them being 'bad characters' b/c too sexy. His critique was very specific - He doesn't like overly sexualized characters.

But it's not just that though, he's saying that female characters having sex appeal at all is "marginilization", "misogyny", "objectification", etc. He also believes that, since all female protagonists are role models for little girls, that means these that these characters having sex appeal will instill these supposed societal ills among our youth.

He doesn't just not like them, and he's doesn't just believe that they're bad characters (which is an opinion dumb enough to be criticized on its own), he believes that these characters' mere existence is a societal problem.

You can't just handwave that away when he's literally telling you that this is what he believes.

 

[Jtibh]

There's nothing fake about my account sir.

Sorry that you judge the merit of people's opinions based on their post count on a video game message board. Hope that's working out well for you.

For me, I'll continue mostly reading and chiming in only when I feel like it.

And i see you only feel like chiming in when its about left propaganda.
In 3 years . Ok.

Look you dont have to convince me i dont care you do what you want.

Though to be frank this thread doesnt belong in gaming.
Only cuz its about the game it doesnt justify it when all the talk here is about sjw ideologies.
Take to off topic

 

[PleaseWaitStation4]

To th OP: If someone turned the next Mario game into a flat-out political message that totally fucks up the characters and gameplay, could you still act stupid and ask, "what's wrong with this?".

 

[NeoGiffer]

So there's been a lot of talk about this clip where he explains how it bothers him how many female game characters are hypersexualized in games. He explains how he wanted a good role model for his daughter who isn't sexualized so he set out to create one in Ellie.

Serious question - why does this clip bother so many people? Ellie is one of the most beloved characters in gaming. She was heavily influenced by Neil's politics.. So what?

 

[Jon Neu]

He doesn't say anything about them being 'bad characters' b/c too sexy. His critique was very specific - He doesn't like overly sexualized characters. It's funny many accuse this of being an SJW feminist value (which it is) but it overlaps deeply with conservative values. Every conservative wants their daughter dressing modestly. Heck,I think every dad wants their daughter dressing modestly. So when he sets out to create a nonsexualized female character that his daughter can look up to, I don't see the issue.

That's because SJW such as Neil are the new church, telling everybody what they should do and what shouldn't do because it's a sin.

And obviously everything they do has to be ultimately about their political religion. Doesn't matter if it's a book, a videogame, a movie, a tv series, a class in the university. Everything they want to talk about is their religion and how awesome their religion makes them to be and how bad everybody else is and how they should be cancelled, silenced and ostracized.

 

[Guilty_AI]

How the fuck is Ellie, a character in a game for mature audience, supposed to be a role model for a child?

If you want female role models for your daughter, show her games like a A Hat in Time or Crosscode that are kid friendly (maybe except for the difficulty, but they gotta learn life's tough sooner or later anyway).

 

[Metnut]

And i see you only feel like chiming in when its about left propaganda.
In 3 years . Ok.

Look you dont have to convince me i dont care you do what you want.

Though to be frank this thread doesnt belong in gaming.
Only cuz its about the game it doesnt justify it when all the talk here is about sjw ideologies.
Take to off topic

hey man, give it a rest and stop lying. you're flat out making stuff up by saying that I only chime in "about left propaganda." majority of my posts are otherwise. Again, if you have a problem with what i said, why not discuss the contents rather than come after me personally.

I'm done with the back and forth. I hope you have a nice day and I truly apologize for triggering you. was just trying to throw my take into the discussion. hope you and loved ones stay safe and healthy in this craziness.

 

[yeeeeeezy]

But it's not just that though, he's saying that female characters having sex appeal at all is "marginilization", "misogyny", "objectification", etc. He also believes that, since all female protagonists are role models for little girls, that means these that these characters having sex appeal will instill these supposed societal ills among our youth.

He doesn't just not like them, and he's doesn't just believe that they're bad characters (which is an opinion dumb enough to be criticized on its own), he believes that these characters' mere existence is a societal problem.

You can't just handwave that away when he's literally telling you that this is what he believes.

Again, so what? He believes young girls may compare themselves to their idealized female representations in games/cinemea etc. I mean I'm sure this happens all the time. And I'm sure self esteem issues come up for many females. Us men aren't judged as much based off our looks. I'm sure it's a lot more difficult for an ugly woman than an ugly man to go thru life.

And I'm handwaving it away because Neil's philosophy created the first TLOU. Which was universally praised. Ellie/Tess/Marlene not being sexualized didn't detract from the game. In fact, it grounded those characters in the world of TLOU.

 

[The Shift]

No one thought it was creepy that a bunch of fully grown adults made a teenage lesbian marionette to play with?

Not sexualised. Come on.

 

[Whitesnake]

Again, so what?

So people are rightfully calling that belief stupid.

People are calling him stupid for believing something so stupid.

What aren't you getting?

 

[cormack12]

at gaf having none of ops shit. Have mercy now

 

[MiguelItUp]

I don't mind her design, and I totally understand what he's saying about his daughter. I'm sure any caring and loving father would feel that way. But in his presentation it's bizarre because he implies the characters in his presentation are role models for children. Uhhh, no? Quiet? Ayane? Cortana? Hell, ELLIE?! If you're worried about how your children will sponge up these characters, why are you letting them play a teen/mature title? Lmao.

Honestly a lot of children do that with pop music artists and maybe movie stars. Not video game characters.

Good character design is most efficient when it feels incredibly right and believable. Not forced, IMO.

I just really don't care to have someone's personal political views blatently forced into my face. I mean, at times it feels like Druckmann is just trying to appeal to that community however he can for points, journalist credit, etc. It sounds less like something he truly believes in when he rambles on about it, and with time it feels like he's leaning harder into it as well.

To be quite honest I don't think I've ever seen anyone applaud Anita in any way shape or form that wasn't some narrowminded SJW radical.

 

[Guilty_AI]

No one thought it was creepy that a bunch of fully grown adults made a teenage lesbian marionette to play with?

Not sexualised. Come on.

And they directed and carefully programed scenes of intimate interaction between her and other women.