Joint Nokia/MS conference next week. *Rumor* Nokia adopting Windows Mobile

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Vyse The Legend said:
Are people actually excited for a Microsoft-Nokia union? I'm unsure if some people are being serious here or not.
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I love the wp7 software, and I like Nokia hardware, its perfect for me. I'm excited.
 
SimleuqiR said:
Vic Gundotra is like the only Google exec that has some charisma on stage. They should let him show every single product for the company.
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Meh, I don't like his tack here. He should stay out of it, IMO. It comes across more like he's butthurt about it than anything else.

But, I guess we should thank him for the early confirmation :/
 
kaching said:
Meh, I don't like his tack here. He should stay out of it, IMO. It comes across more like he's butthurt about it than anything else.

But, I guess we should thank him for the early confirmation :/
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I think what brotkasten posted gives a more light into why he said what he said. lol
 
microsoft always planned wp7 low-end devices with lower res screens, perhaps nokia will show them off this friday.
 
Unless Nokia is getting some type of exclusivity on something (maybe the low-end WP7 devices are exclusive? I dunno), I don't see why they don't go Android as well. They are competing with other WP7 manufacturers that also have additional revenue streams in the Android ecosystem, and Android lets them try to make tablets as well.
 
numble said:
Unless Nokia is getting some type of exclusivity on something (maybe the low-end WP7 devices are exclusive? I dunno), I don't see why they don't go Android as well. They are competing with other WP7 manufacturers that also have additional revenue streams in the Android ecosystem, and Android lets them try to make tablets as well.
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There's always the possibility that they could still go Android at some point but I doubt Gundotra would be calling a new partner a turkey if they were going Android anywhere in the near future...certainly not at the Feb 11 event, at least.
 
Yea it's really confusing. Wouldn't a Nokia WP7 phone just look and act like every other WP7 out there? Doesn't MS pretty much have absolute control over the OS? Why would Nokia want this?

Sony seems to be doing pretty good with a heavily skinned Android theme, surprised Nokia didn't go that route.

Maybe it's good though having a heavyweight like Nokia putting their muscle behind WP7. Though WP7 has had some initial success, it looks like it's in danger of never making a serious shot at Android/iOS. This could help and improve competition overall in the market.
 
Seems like a mistake by Nokia if this is true, but only time will tell and honestly I really don't know the Asian and Euro markets well enough to accurately predict how this is going to fly over there.
 
mrklaw said:
agreed on the core software usability front. But that article emphasises how Apple focuses on user journies really well - explains technology in ways that it matters to people, not tech blogs. Reinventing stuff like facetime, which we've had in smartphones for years, but nobody has really used before.

You do all that and it makes the N8 sound really desirable. It just needs that little bit more to make it a usable device. Its not massively flawed - its good hardware, and the flexibility of the software is excellent. It just needs the equivalent of HTCs android skin on it, to hide some of the clunk and streamline it.

Gravity is a great showcase for what you can do on a symbian device. You could just skin the whole phone like that, hide the complex stuff under the hood a little, and fancy up the homescreen a bit more and you'd had a quality smartphone. App store needs more developers, but Qt is a good call on that front, lets see what the tools are like
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This is exactly why Apple would never release it. If your software needs a skin to be useable, you failed.
 
Futureman said:
Yea it's really confusing. Wouldn't a Nokia WP7 phone just look and act like every other WP7 out there? Doesn't MS pretty much have absolute control over the OS? Why would Nokia want this?

Sony seems to be doing pretty good with a heavily skinned Android theme, surprised Nokia didn't go that route.

Maybe it's good though having a heavyweight like Nokia putting their muscle behind WP7. Though WP7 has had some initial success, it looks like it's in danger of never making a serious shot at Android/iOS. This could help and improve competition overall in the market.
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Nokia has some of the best hardware, gsmarena found the N8's camera to best all other phone cameras and even beat out the Sony HX5 compact digital camera in a public blind test. My guess is they will have gained some serious concessions from MS about the kind of customisations that can be laid on top of WP7. Their R&D spend looks to be at least 4 times higher than that of HTC so software and hardware customisations will most likely be employed to differentiate with the knowledge that they can outspend the competition to stay ahead.
 
So what are the predictions of what this will be?

1) Nokia/Microsoft "license" agreement for Intellectual Property exchange? Microsoft always does this first. They lean on a company, offer $ for IP, assimilate (or destroy) IP while keeping the company on the license/investment teet, then either collect pieces or destroy pieces.

Since Microsoft really needs Nokia at this point, they will probably make this a hardware exclusive deal. For this to be at all useful to either company, they will need to go all in and make this a hardware/software union. If this does not happen, then Microsoft is simply going for destruction/assimilation/patent portfolio. Whatever the case, Microsoft is looking to take IP.

2) Exclusivity. Microsoft lives by exclusivity agreements. I am surprised there has not been much of that in smartphone area, but I would not be surprised if that starts happening for applications and games.
 
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Is Nokia's R&D a black hole or what? You'd think all that money could get you a decent OS.
 
Futureman said:
Yea it's really confusing. Wouldn't a Nokia WP7 phone just look and act like every other WP7 out there? Doesn't MS pretty much have absolute control over the OS? Why would Nokia want this?
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This is what I was thinking. Adopting WP7 would not allow them to differentiate themselves from all the other OEMs. Yes, they' be able to build some nice hardware, but few people other than phone fanboys take that into consideration. That's the same reason why shit $400 laptops outsell good quality laptops.

Nokia wants people to think "I want a Nokia phone", not "I want a Windows Phone 7 phone... maybe from Nokia."
 
numble said:
Unless Nokia is getting some type of exclusivity on something (maybe the low-end WP7 devices are exclusive? I dunno), I don't see why they don't go Android as well. They are competing with other WP7 manufacturers that also have additional revenue streams in the Android ecosystem, and Android lets them try to make tablets as well.
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AFAIK there are no lower or upper tier WP7 devices, MS has hardware specs which rule out lower tier phones and there are no dual core leaks / announcements for WP7 which leads me to believe no high end phones either. I guess too much competition in the android device market, with the openness of android meaning those Chinese manufacturers who are attacking Nokia in the lower tier dumbphone market will no doubt attack on the android front sooner or later. With MS validating all WP7 devices they can still exclude them from the market.

bionic77 said:
Seems like a mistake by Nokia if this is true, but only time will tell and honestly I really don't know the Asian and Euro markets well enough to accurately predict how this is going to fly over there.
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Did you see the CEO's memo posted yesterday, they had perhaps 1 Meego device for this year this meant iOS, Android and WP7 being on the market for over another year before they got anything to market. They needed something ASAP or they would be left too far behind to catch up.
 
Might just be a deal to announce Nokia will release a line of W7 phones, while either keeping their inhouse OS, and or have a separate announcement for Android Nokia phones at a later date.

Or it could simply be Nokia going W7 and keeping their own OS.

I agree there's little benefit to switching entirely to Windows 7 as Nokia would downgrade themselves to just being another generic phone manufacturer
 
colinisation said:
AFAIK there are no lower or upper tier WP7 devices, MS has hardware specs which rule out lower tier phones and there are no dual core leaks / announcements for WP7 which leads me to believe no high end phones either. I guess too much competition in the android device market, with the openness of android meaning those Chinese manufacturers who are attacking Nokia in the lower tier dumbphone market will no doubt attack on the android front sooner or later. With MS validating all WP7 devices they can still exclude them from the market.
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People in the WP7 thread say that MS had always planned for lower-tier devices. I think the current WP7 hardware strategy is kind of dumb--all of the current WP7 phones have the same internal specs, I think.
 
tino said:
I am loving the trash talking.

BTW Jobs has used his RDF to sell crap before. iBoombox anybody?
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but no one bought the iboombox.

and no one bought their 99 dollar ipod leather cases, either (lol)

Jobs can sell shit that's already awesome. he can't sell crap.


it's a common misconception by people who have no idea why good products sell.
 
numble said:
People in the WP7 thread say that MS had always planned for lower-tier devices. I think the current WP7 hardware strategy is kind of dumb--all of the current WP7 phones have the same internal specs, I think.
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Why is it dumb? It makes sure the experience is consistent on all devices and I'm sure devs won't complain about it. Something you don't have on, lets say, Android.
 
brotkasten said:
Why is it dumb? It makes sure the experience is consistent on all devices and I'm sure devs won't complain about it. Something you don't have on, lets say, Android.
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I should clarify--it is smart for consumers, but dumb for manufacturers. Outside of exclusive apps, there's nothing that incentivizes consumers to stay with the manufacturer for their next WP7 upgrade if the experience is similar. But if somebody really likes Motoblur, they'll get another Motorola Android device next. And manufacturers can't entice hardware whores with things like the Atrix docking or other differentiating hardware.
 
LCfiner said:
but no one bought the iboombox.

and no one bought their 99 dollar ipod leather cases, either (lol)

Jobs can sell shit that's already awesome. he can't sell crap.


it's a common misconception by people who have no idea why good products sell.
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And nobody bought the ROKR or first gen AppleTV. Apple does have its misses, and the RDF won't sell them.
 
numble said:
And nobody bought the ROKR or first gen AppleTV. Apple does have its misses, and the RDF won't sell them.
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yup, more good examples.

shit, I remember the ROKR. Jobs looked almost disgusted being on stage with that thing.

then he showed off the first nano around 30 minutes later and it was the coolest thing in the world. No RDF necessary. you knew it when you saw it.
 
Riddick said:
Your "opinion" that N8's battery lasts half a day is bullshit. Live with it.
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Wasn't even my opinion, it was from the owner of the phone. Even then it wasn't an opinion and more of an 'experience'.

Deal with it.
 
Burger said:
Wasn't even my opinion, it was from the owner of the phone. Even then it wasn't an opinion and more of an 'experience'.

Deal with it.
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That experience is a blatant lie unless he used the phone all day to watch movies which then makes it a lie by omission.

brotkasten said:
An editorial by Engadget's mobile editors.
Editorial: Engadget on Nokia's Friday announcement
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Can we stop quoting the tools from engadget as if they're a legitimate news source?
 
markot said:
I dont think going WM7 will fix any of the problems Nokia is having...
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I think it's a good direction to head in. WP7 gives them a cohesive operating system they can deploy across their entire product line. And it gives them a seat in a surprisingly active and vibrant ecosystem.

Fuck me, I'm using buzzwords.
 
But it doesnt, wm7 is just for high end phones, and nokia make a wide range of phones...

I really think they should just use Meego for their high end phones...
 
If Nokia embraced any and all operating systems (including Android) - I'd certainly compare their handsets carefully before buying my next HTC, LG, Moto or Samsung handset... and I know from my days of buying Nokia handsets and from playing with my friends' more modern handsets that they build quality gear. There wasn't an awful lot wrong with Symbian, it just doesn't have the traction and heavyweight support that Android does. I'd look at a WP7 handset from Nokia, but I have to admit, I'm more interested in Android.
 
Former Nokia executive disagrees with current CEO's assessment:

Then he supposedly writes "While competitors poured flames on our market share, what happened at Nokia? We fell behind, we missed big trends, and we lost time." This again smacks of ill-informed US based views of Nokia. "..we missed big trends" (?) WHAT? Excuse me? I can accept, definitely, that Nokia has recently been executing poorly, and its early steps in new areas have been clumsy. But 'missed' big trends? Which trend has Nokia missed. Name even ONE! Touch screens? Before iPhone! Internet phones? Nokia did the world's first. Consumer smartphones? Nokia invented that. Gaming phones? Nokia had years before the iPhone ever heard of Angry Birds. An app store? Nokia followed this trend from Japan five years before Apple launched its first app store. A developer community? Nokia has had it for more than a decade. Apps? Nokia has a whole unit that sells apps and services. Maps? Nokia bundles those on the phones. Money? Nokia launched Nokia Money long ago. Dual SIM phones, Nokia did that years ago. What trend is it that Nokia has supposedly missed. MISSED?
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http://communities-dominate.blogs.c...at-engagdget-doesnt-ring-true-to-my-ears.html
 
numble said:
Former Nokia executive disagrees with current CEO's assessment:


http://communities-dominate.blogs.c...at-engagdget-doesnt-ring-true-to-my-ears.html
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Guy is a dick. So what if Nokia had touchscreens, internet phones, smartphones, gaming phones, app stores.

All those features were fragmented out across 60 models, and none of those features worked as well as they did on the first iPhone.

Who thinks Ovi Maps is better than Google Maps? Who thinks the Ngage offers better gaming than the iPod Touch? Nobody does.
 
markot said:
But it doesnt, wm7 is just for high end phones, and nokia make a wide range of phones...

I really think they should just use Meego for their high end phones...
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For low-end phones, pretty much noone gives a fuck what's on it, so they'll continue being fine with Series 40. For high-end, WP7 is a pretty good OS. Of course, I think WP7 on Nokia hardware sounds weird, at least without Nokia being allowed to dump all their services on it. There will have to be some special agreement between Nokia and MS for Nokia to adopt WP7.
 
jonremedy said:
For low-end phones, pretty much noone gives a fuck what's on it, so they'll continue being fine with Series 40. For high-end, WP7 is a pretty good OS. Of course, I think WP7 on Nokia hardware sounds weird, at least without Nokia being allowed to dump all their services on it. There will have to be some special agreement between Nokia and MS for Nokia to adopt WP7.
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What services do they have? I can only think of Ovi Maps and they can port that to WP7.
 
brotkasten said:
What services do they have? I can only think of Ovi Maps and they can port that to WP7.
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Ovi music, Ovi Sync, Ovi Store, Ovi Contacts... But sure, everything can be ported to WP7. It's just that WP7 is pretty locked down according to the standard agreement for it (no changing shells and such). Nokia won't go for the standard WP7 agreement is what I'm saying.
 
Whoever make the |OT| thread of Nokia/MS conference, do put "burning platform" and "eagle" in the title. Oh man, this conference is going to be epic! :D

By the way, I was counting the smartphone operation system Nokia abandoned, I count s80, s90, Maemo, Meego, whatever was on the n-gage.. what am I missing?
 
tino said:
Whoever make the |OT| thread of Nokia/MS conference, do put "burning platform" and "eagle" in the title. Oh man, this conference is going to be epic! :D

By the way, I was counting the smartphone operation system Nokia abandoned, I count s80, s90, Maemo, Meego, whatever was on the n-gage.. what am I missing?
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Symbian S60 by friday, from the looks of it.

Edit: I want to make a proper prediction for Nokia in 5 years: Meego for Intel-based smartphones, WP7 for ARM-based, and either s40 or Symbian for featurephones.
 
jonremedy said:
Ovi music, Ovi Sync, Ovi Store, Ovi Contacts... But sure, everything can be ported to WP7. It's just that WP7 is pretty locked down according to the standard agreement for it (no changing shells and such). Nokia won't go for the standard WP7 agreement is what I'm saying.
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I don't think Nokia will get a special treatment when it comes to the WP7 license. Microsoft wants to be more than a software vendor, they want to sell software and services. Allowing Nokia to use their services would only hurt MS. Every service you mentioned is build into WP7. Zune Music, Windows Live/Facebook/GMail sync, WP7 Marketplace. There's no need for any of Nokia's services, except for Ovi Maps. Nokia phones would benefit from it, because Bing maps on WP7 doesn't offer turn-by-turn navigation.
 
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