Joint Nokia/MS conference next week. *Rumor* Nokia adopting Windows Mobile

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brotkasten said:
I don't think Nokia will get a special treatment when it comes to the WP7 license. Microsoft wants to be more than a software vendor, they want to sell software and services. Allowing Nokia to use their services would only hurt MS. Every service you mentioned is build into WP7. Zune Music, Windows Live/Facebook/GMail sync, WP7 Marketplace. There's no need for any of Nokia's services, except for Ovi Maps. Nokia phones would benefit from it, because Bing maps on WP7 doesn't offer turn-by-turn navigation.
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All good points. I just don't believe Nokia will become just another WP7 vendor.
 
Why are you jumping on that dude's words? He's mad about the saying that Nokia missed trends, not made them unsuccessful
 
Teetris said:
Why are you jumping on that dude's words? He's mad about the saying that Nokia missed trends, not made them unsuccessful
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Nokia missed the trends, that's what not being successful means.
 
VanMardigan said:
Nokia missed the trends, that's what not being successful means.
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I don't think that's what trend means, unless it's different in technology. Do you have more info to back that up?
 
Angry Former Exec said:
What trend is it that Nokia has supposedly missed. MISSED?
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A cohesive ecosystem? Focusing on the platform itself rather than defining yourself with a multitude of devices?

I've owned five Nokia phones, they're all I've bought, but even I am extremely disappointed by the unfocused mess that they are right now. I even emailed them last year to say how disappointed I was.
 
brotkasten said:
I don't think Nokia will get a special treatment when it comes to the WP7 license. Microsoft wants to be more than a software vendor, they want to sell software and services. Allowing Nokia to use their services would only hurt MS. Every service you mentioned is build into WP7. Zune Music, Windows Live/Facebook/GMail sync, WP7 Marketplace. There's no need for any of Nokia's services, except for Ovi Maps. Nokia phones would benefit from it, because Bing maps on WP7 doesn't offer turn-by-turn navigation.
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Something is gotta give. Neither MS will give in and hurt its relationship with other OEM, or Nokia has to give up alot of its services. The detail of the deal will show how much of a Nokia guy Stephen Elop is.
 
thirty said:
bloomberg is pretty much confirming the ms/nokia partnership. hope they show some new hardware.
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Me too! The partnership is huge news, but the element of surprise is gone due to these leaks! Would be great to see some fresh gear revealed.
 
Fatalah said:
Me too! The partnership is huge news, but the element of surprise is gone due to these leaks! Would be great to see some fresh gear revealed.
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There's still a surprise in what it looks like. Once that's leaked, then yes it's gone.
 
claviertekky said:
There's still a surprise in what it looks like. Once that's leaked, then yes it's gone.
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If they only make that concept a reality I'd get one...
nokia-wp7-concept.jpg
 
I used to be a big Nokia fan, the N95 and E71 are still two of my favorite phones. After years of near complete stasis, it's good to see that Nokia is finally moving forward.
Really late move though, even the most loyal customers had no choice but to give up on them...
 
i'm excited by the possibility of Nokia teaming up with MS. Hardware wise, my previous Nokia's have been excellent and even though in the US, the range of WP7 is broad, here in Australia, its not that good. The only exciting phone is the Omnia 7 and its still to expensive

i guess maybe the downside to going with Android is that Nokia and would not get any special treatment considering the dominant position Google is in plus there are already dominant players in the android space compared to the young WP7 arena.

should be interesting to see how things play out
 
radioheadrule83 said:
If Nokia embraced any and all operating systems (including Android) - I'd certainly compare their handsets carefully before buying my next HTC, LG, Moto or Samsung handset... and I know from my days of buying Nokia handsets and from playing with my friends' more modern handsets that they build quality gear. There wasn't an awful lot wrong with Symbian, it just doesn't have the traction and heavyweight support that Android does. I'd look at a WP7 handset from Nokia, but I have to admit, I'm more interested in Android.
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that developer support will change with the already declared move to Qt as a development platform.

I sometimes wish the OS would just get out of the way. It only became a lifestyle choice since probably windows etc. Before that it was just a text prompt to let you get to your apps.

I'd be happy with a phone that has nothing but a call button, and then access to quality apps. Which is pretty much what iphone was when it launched.
 
I don't see any way that Nokia doesn't hedge itself by including Android to some degree.

If Elop convinced his board to tie their hopes exclusively to a meager and nascent mobile platform, hats off to him.

It's not that I doubt that Windows Mobile 7 is capable of taking off; I doubt that it can carry a device manufacturer solely.
 
Talon- said:
I don't see any way that Nokia doesn't hedge itself by including Android to some degree.

If Elop convinced his board to tie their hopes exclusively to a meager and nascent mobile platform, hats off to him.

It's not that I doubt that Windows Mobile 7 is capable of taking off; I doubt that it can carry a device manufacturer solely.
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No one ever said that Nokia would go exclusively with Windows Phone 7. Rumors are they're going to drop Symbian or MeeGo. Not both.
 
brotkasten said:
No one ever said that Nokia would go exclusively with Windows Phone 7. Rumors are they're going to drop Symbian or MeeGo. Not both.
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Let's hope they're dropping Symbian then. Keeping that and dropping the (seemingly) far more user and touch friendly MeeGo would be a weird decision. MeeGo does kind of look like "another Android", though... So maybe it'll be WP7 for their high end phones and Symbian for their stupidphones.
 
This is shaping up to be a huge announcement. Nokia was supposed to held this meeting in december.. Something came up. Nokia will also do a briefing for all employees tomorrow.

Is a buyout in the cards?
 
It's interesting that Microsoft wants to kill android rather than iOS, but I guess android and WP7 are in more competition since iOS will likely never officially be on a non-apple product.
 
Smiles and Cries said:
so this is not quite a Sony Ericsson deal?

damn your edit made my reply sound strange
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No, it looks like a crappy software collaboration deal, especially since it keeps Symbian devices in scope - though I guess that could be just for its existing Nokia phones.
 
Smiles and Cries said:
so this is not quite a Sony Ericsson deal?

damn your edit made my reply sound strange
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I edited it because I noticed it was for the existing nokia/ms partnership (and not something new) but it was posted within the past 2 weeks so it may just be a disguise.
 
Different cultures and all but I thought this made for some funny visuals:

In private conversations, staff regularly talk about Nokia's overtly masculine culture, and describe a world where important deals are usually brokered during visits to the sauna.

While the steam room is a way of life for Finnish people, it has almost become a religion for Nokia's high-ranking managers.

Indeed the spa is seen as so integral to the company's operation that many of its offices around the world, which span from Afghanistan to Zambia, have had steam rooms specially fitted in order to accommodate their addiction.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12414595
 
Phoenix said:
No, it looks like a crappy software collaboration deal, especially since it keeps Symbian devices in scope - though I guess that could be just for its existing Nokia phones.
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Symbian will keep running low end phones. They have the license, hardware is very cheap for it. No reason to dump it really, they need to fill the <150 euros/$$$ lineup somehow. Now, the real question is how are they going to fill up the mainstream tier. MS needs to release a version for mainstream hardware as well. High end support alone won't cut it, especially in Europe.
 
I think it might be nokia just integrating windows services, windows live, maybe zune... maybe theyll join forces abit in that department.

WM7 wouldnt solve any of Nokias problems >.<

And any sort of exclusive deal or preferential treatment with Nokia by MS might mean other companies drop WM7.
 
what about exclusive low end WP7 phones for Nokia? i can see that.

WP7 OS has a low end spec built into it, there just hasn't been a phone shown to take advantage of it, maybe tomorrow we'll see one.
 
Boom:
LONDON – Feb. 11, 2011 – Nokia and Microsoft today announced plans to form a broad strategic partnership that would use their complementary strengths and expertise to create a new global mobile ecosystem.

Nokia and Microsoft intend to jointly create market-leading mobile products and services designed to offer consumers, operators and developers unrivalled choice and opportunity. As each company would focus on its core competencies, the partnership would create the opportunity for rapid time to market execution. Additionally, Nokia and Microsoft plan to work together to integrate key assets and create completely new service offerings, while extending established products and services to new markets.

Under the proposed partnership:
• Nokia would adopt Windows Phone as its principal smartphone strategy, innovating on top of the platform in areas such as imaging, where Nokia is a market leader.
• Nokia would help drive the future of Windows Phone. Nokia would contribute its expertise on hardware design, language support, and help bring Windows Phone to a larger range of price points, market segments and geographies.
• Nokia and Microsoft would closely collaborate on joint marketing initiatives and a shared development roadmap to align on the future evolution of mobile products.
• Bing would power Nokia’s search services across Nokia devices and services, giving customers access to Bing’s next generation search capabilities. Microsoft adCenter would provide search advertising services on Nokia’s line of devices and services.
• Nokia Maps would be a core part of Microsoft’s mapping services. For example, Maps would be integrated with Microsoft’s Bing search engine and adCenter advertising platform to form a unique local search and advertising experience
• Nokia’s extensive operator billing agreements would make it easier for consumers to purchase Nokia Windows Phone services in countries where credit-card use is low.
• Microsoft development tools would be used to create applications to run on Nokia Windows Phones, allowing developers to easily leverage the ecosystem’s global reach.
• Nokia’s content and application store would be integrated with Microsoft Marketplace for a more compelling consumer experience.

“Today, developers, operators and consumers want compelling mobile products, which include not only the device, but the software, services, applications and customer support that make a great experience,” Stephen Elop, Nokia President and CEO, said at a joint news conference in London. “Nokia and Microsoft will combine our strengths to deliver an ecosystem with unrivalled global reach and scale. It’s now a three-horse race.”

“I am excited about this partnership with Nokia,” said Steven A. Ballmer, Microsoft CEO. “Ecosystems thrive when fueled by speed, innovation and scale.The partnership announced today provides incredible scale, vast expertise in hardware and software innovation and a proven ability to execute.”

Please visit www.nokia.com/press for press materials.
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http://www.microsoft.com/Presspass/press/2011/feb11/02-11partnership.mspx

I don't expect to see any devices today.

And MeeGo is not dead.

"Under the new strategy, MeeGo becomes an open-source, mobile operating system project. MeeGo will place increased emphasis on longer-term market exploration of next-generation devices, platforms and user experiences. Nokia still plans to ship a MeeGo-related product later this year."

Jo Harlow, new exec in charge of Smart Devices, will grab the MeeGo reins in addition to responsibility for Symbian Smartphones and and Strategic Business Operations.
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/nokia-meego-not-dead-still-shipping-this-year/
 
holy fucking shit ... it'll be interesting to see what will happen from this point during the transitional phase. Massive win for Microsoft there.
 
Windows Phone 7 has just found it's HTC like Google did for Android.

I think the Nokia-Microsoft collaboration here could save (well more save Nokia and help kick WP7 on) both platforms and I'm glad about that. I used to love Nokia phones (still kinda miss my N82) and they still make great hardware, and now with great software they can go back to having great all-round phones.
 
Rumour confirmed. Nokia is going wm7 as its flagship phone OS. This means not only the end of symbian, but also meego and Qt framework. It's a huge shame considering the awesomeness coming in future developer offerings in that area...
 
Huge/interesting deal. Phone market should be pretty interesting in the next few years.
 
Well, in a way it is the blind helping the lame. But maybe this is really the only way for both of them. At least it makes the market much more interesting, which should be in all the customer's interest.
 
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