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[Wraith Phantom]

NBA 2K21 Current-Gen Release Date Revealed, Next-Gen Version $10 More Expensive - IGN

NBA 2K21 will be released on current-generation platforms on September 4, 2020, and it will arrive on PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X in Holiday 2020 for $10 more. In addition, there will be a Kobe Bryant special Mamba Forever Edition that will allow players to upgrade to the next-gen versions...

www.ign.com

So the industry are putting the prices up on games. We must speak with our wallets. And put a stop to this ASAP!!

 

[Neo Blaster]

Lets face it, and this is from a current Ps4 fan prior 360 fan, a lockart will be better than the XB1 or any jaguar and HDD based system full stop.

Everyone nees to stop production of all ps4, Xb1 consoles and move on so we cna have more enemies on screen, more animations and things happening.

Think about destiny, those tired 6-1 enemies that spawn with same movements, thats Jaguar.

Nah, PS4 still has legs for selling for quite some time, just give it a good price reduction when PS5 price is announced. Besides, it's not compromising first party titles like XO S/X are.

 

[Wraith Phantom]

Nah, PS4 still has legs for selling for quite some time, just give it a good price reduction when PS5 price is announced. Besides, it's not compromising first party titles like XO S/X are.

How long did PS3 live for. PS4 still going to be around with games developed for it for at least 4 more years.

 

[Great Hair]

How long did PS3 live for. PS4 still going to be around with games developed for it for at least 4 more years.

The PS2 was outselling the X360 for the first 2 years i believe. The PS4 at $149 and the PS4 Pro at $229 could sell well. PS5 (both) at $399+.

 

[Darius87]

Like there wasn't already enough similarities between Uncharted and Tomb Raider, the next game will have a female protagonist too?

i don't think whatever is making next uncharted cares about similarities i just hope it will be open world and f**k tomb raider

Spoiler: real Tomb Raider

 

[SSfox]

Like there wasn't already enough similarities between Uncharted and Tomb Raider, the next game will have a female protagonist too?

This is the main reason why i think they should have gone with Nate having a son instead of a daughter... But we'll see what they'll do the next game anyway, hopefully it will still stand out.

Spoiler: real Tomb Raider

1000000000000000000000000000000000000% this

 

[Neo Blaster]

i don't think whatever is making next uncharted cares about similarities i just hope it will be open world and f**k tomb raider

Spoiler: real Tomb Raider

Spoiler: EVEN MORE REAL TOMB RAIDER

 

[geordiemp]

Nah, PS4 still has legs for selling for quite some time, just give it a good price reduction when PS5 price is announced. Besides, it's not compromising first party titles like XO S/X are.

True, but its still showing a leg to 3rd party developers. We need all dev to move away from Jaguar as soon as possible, Jaguar needs to die.

I dont mind Ps4 being made as long as 3rd party ignore it, otherwise we get less ambitious games.

 

[Wraith Phantom]

The PS2 was outselling the X360 for the first 2 years i believe. The PS4 at $149 and the PS4 Pro at $229 should sell well. PS5 (both) at $399+.

That PS2 eh. Well its good that other regions not as rich as some of ours experience gaming. And that's a big reason why disc are still needed. Amongst other talking points.

 

[Neo Blaster]

True, but its still showing a leg to 3rd party developers. We need all dev to move away from Jaguar as soon as possible, Jaguar needs to die.

I dont mind Ps4 being made as long as 3rd party ignore it, otherwise we get less ambitious games.

With a install base of 150 million Jaguar consoles, that will take a while.

 

[Insane Metal]

NBA 2K21 Current-Gen Release Date Revealed, Next-Gen Version $10 More Expensive - IGN

NBA 2K21 will be released on current-generation platforms on September 4, 2020, and it will arrive on PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X in Holiday 2020 for $10 more. In addition, there will be a Kobe Bryant special Mamba Forever Edition that will allow players to upgrade to the next-gen versions...

www.ign.com

Hah, called this some time ago. That I expected prices to be $69 for the next gen.

:|

EDIT since the thread was closed:




Jez knows some things.

 

[SSfox]

True, but its still showing a leg to 3rd party developers. We need all dev to move away from Jaguar as soon as possible, Jaguar needs to die.

I dont mind Ps4 being made as long as 3rd party ignore it, otherwise we get less ambitious games.

Everytime i got reminded that games like GOW, TLOU2 and soon GOT (just to name those) runs with Jaguar is quite impressive.

 

[Killer Sakoman]

Hah, called this some time ago. That I expected prices to be $69 for the next gen.

:|

EDIT since the thread was closed:




Jez knows some things.

Not bad, game prices didn't increase since 2006

 

[Darius87]

Spoiler: EVEN MORE REAL TOMB RAIDER

if he's actually a she

Spoiler

then it's

Spoiler

 

[saintjules]

 

[Neo Blaster]

Hah, called this some time ago. That I expected prices to be $69 for the next gen.

:|

EDIT since the thread was closed:




Jez knows some things.

 

[geordiemp]

Everytime i got reminded that games like GOW, TLOU2 and soon GOT (just to name those) runs with Jaguar is quite impressive.

Its when you replay games a few times the patterns, AI, animations really stick out as simplistic.

 

[Insane Metal]

Hah, called this some time ago. That I expected prices to be $69 for the next gen.

:|

EDIT since the thread was closed:




Jez knows some things.

 

[SSfox]

Its when you replay games a few times the patterns, AI, animations really stick out as simplistic.

Yeah there hasn't been many impressive AI in this gen, it's just fine overall, for those that came to my mind MGSV still the best in the matter for humans AI, and MHW world when its comes to monsters AI.

 

[Imtjnotu]

Yeah there hasn't been many impressive IA in this gen, it's just fine overall, for those that came to my mind MGSV still the best in the matter for humans IA, and MHW world when its comes to monsters IA.

Ai you mean?

 

[WelshBluebird]

And that is exactly why some people like myself have been questioning the lockhart idea.
So 30fps on the higher end system, what does that mean for the lower end one?

 

[MasterCornholio]

"This is on Microsoft for trying to act like 60 FPS is the "standard" to try and separate from the PS5. Setting expectations is important"

Was it really Microsoft though or just Greenberg?

Anyways I'm surprised that Jez criticized Microsoft this way.

It's pretty common knowledge that it will be up to developers to choose framerate over visuals when it comes to consoles.

And that is exactly why some people like myself have been questioning the lockhart idea.
So 30fps on the higher end system, what does that mean for the lower end one?

I think the Lockhart is just a 1080P XSX. So if the XSX plays a game at 60FPS Lockhart will do the same but at a lower resolution.

 

[Neo Blaster]

And that is exactly why some people like myself have been questioning the lockhart idea.
So 30fps on the higher end system, what does that mean for the lower end one?

Isn't The Medium a XSX exclusive? Or was it Scorn?

Edit: forget, it's a next gen exclusive.

 

[SSfox]

Ai you mean?

Yes of course, it's said IA in french i forgot to switch for English translation lol

 

[SSfox]

"This is on Microsoft for trying to act like 60 FPS is the "standard" to try and separate from the PS5. Setting expectations is important"

Was it really Microsoft though or just Greenberg?

Greenberg in MS PR, so technically if he says something, it's MS's saying.

 

[Neo Blaster]

"This is on Microsoft for trying to act like 60 FPS is the "standard" to try and separate from the PS5. Setting expectations is important"

Was it really Microsoft though or just Greenberg?

Anyways I'm surprised that Jez criticized Microsoft this way.

It's pretty common knowledge that it will be up to developers to choose framerate over visuals when it comes to consoles.




I think the Lockhart is just a 1080P XSX. So if the XSX plays a game at 60FPS Lockhart will do the same but at a lower resolution.

I blame Greenberg for that, it's 'true 4k' situation all over again.

 

[Wraith Phantom]

Hah, called this some time ago. That I expected prices to be $69 for the next gen.

:|

EDIT since the thread was closed:




Jez knows some things.

Xbox are frequently banta of week. This Jez guy not work at Wincentral anymore?? Normally he's an xbox apologist with PR spin. Is Jez sick & tired of lying now? Is he no longer on payroll??

 

[DarkMage619]

"This is on Microsoft for trying to act like 60 FPS is the "standard" to try and separate from the PS5. Setting expectations is important"

Was it really Microsoft though or just Greenberg?

Anyways I'm surprised that Jez criticized Microsoft this way.

It's pretty common knowledge that it will be up to developers to choose framerate over visuals when it comes to consoles.




I think the Lockhart is just a 1080P XSX. So if the XSX plays a game at 60FPS Lockhart will do the same but at a lower resolution.

Is the Medium a MS first party game? Does MS or any platform holder have the ability to tell third parties what framerate their games have to run at?

 

[MasterCornholio]

Greenberg in MS PR, so technically if he says something, it's MS's saying.

I blame Greenberg for that, it's 'true 4k' situation all over again.

All this means is that we are going to have some backlash everytime a sub 4K or 30FPS game appears on the system.

I'm definitely not looking forward to that happening here.

 

[Fortuneelsewhere]

Medium uses RT? If not is a bit strange.. the new assassin creed is also 30fps if I'm not mistaken and I think it doesn't use RT either..

I was expecting more from 12TF

 

[MasterCornholio]

Is the Medium a MS first party game? Does MS or any platform holder have the ability to tell third parties what framerate their games have to run at?

Whatever Microsoft promises with games it's probably related to their studios. The issue with some of Greenbergs comments is that he doesn't specify if it's 1st party or not. That's where some of the confusion comes from.

Medium uses RT? If not is a bit strange.. the new assassin creed is also 30fps if I'm not mistaken and I think it doesn't use RT either..

I was expecting more from 12TF

It's got that world switching mechanic in it. Maybe it's just really resource intensive so they have to drop the framerate.

 

[Fortuneelsewhere]

Whatever Microsoft promises with games it's probably related to their studios. The issue with some of Greenbergs comments is that he doesn't specify if it's 1st party or not. That's where some of the confusion comes from.



It's got that world switching mechanic in it. Maybe it's just really resource intensive so they have to drop the framerate.

Yes maybe is that or because is just the beginning of the generation and they are still knowing the hardware..

 

[Nowcry]

So are you saying the PS5 has higher bandwidth per CU than the XBSX?

448/36 = 12.44

Yes, but the reason is logical because the PS5 clock is higher, the CU need to eat more every second.

I don't think any CU is undernourished, they have the food they need to function well.

It is not for anything else.

 

[geordiemp]

Whatever Microsoft promises with games it's probably related to their studios. The issue with some of Greenbergs comments is that he doesn't specify if it's 1st party or not. That's where some of the confusion comes from.



It's got that world switching mechanic in it. Maybe it's just really resource intensive so they have to drop the framerate.

Its funny people critising ps5 next gen only games being 4k30....or large open world like Valhalla......

did not take long.

Cross gen games like desitny 4k60..

Games will be the same, little difference, who would of guessed,....I am shocked.

 

[Crimson_Fate]

Honestly, if a game can not meet the 4k/60 this gen I would like to see the devs offer the option for running at 1080P/60 or 4k/30.

I'll take 4K whenever I can get it on a larger set but for smaller screens 1080 is plenty.

 

[Wraith Phantom]

Is the Medium a MS first party game? Does MS or any platform holder have the ability to tell third parties what framerate their games have to run at?

They cant mandate shit. Blubber, plumper or whoever the dev is are not xbox workers. Xbox cant pimp these hoes. Dev's do what the box is capable off. If its 30 it is 30. Sure they can spend more time to get it to 60. But if its multiplat game. They got to weigh up time vs cost vs release date pressure from publisher. And at this time its 30. Its just what it is.

 

[Fortuneelsewhere]

Honestly, if a game can not meet the 4k/60 this gen I would like to see the devs offer the option for running at 1080P/60 or 4k/30.

I'll take 4K whenever I can get it on a larger set but for smaller screens 1080 is plenty.

This gen you'll see 4K 30fps or 4K dinamic 60fps... and I'm ok with that as long as they use some RT effects also..

 

[Neo Blaster]

All this means is that we are going to have some backlash everytime a sub 4K or 30FPS game appears on the system.

I'm definitely not looking forward to that happening here.

The problem is not the game being 30 or 60fps, that was always up to devs, but this 'target 60fps' narrative MS marketing is doing to make every XSX game looks like it will be 60fps.

 

[BadBreathOfTheWild]

Games designed around 30 FPS will be around forever.

Artistic games will always want the full frame time they can get to make things look good. Fast paced shooters can still target 60 FPS or more. Just as they did on 360/PS3.

The only way to get ahead of the curve and have artistic games at higher frame rates is to be on hardware at a higher specification than the original target platform.

That means being on PC and buying expensive GPUs, or a mid-gen "Pro" console with lazy optimisation that allows you to choose more frame-rate at the original console's quality.

This will be the same for the next Xbox and PlayStation a decade from now.

 

[DarkMage619]

The problem is not the game being 30 or 60fps, that was always up to devs, but this 'target 60fps' narrative MS marketing is doing to make every XSX game looks like it will be 60fps.

Please provide a link where MS stated all XSX games would run at 60 fps. Thank you.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Yes maybe is that or because is just the beginning of the generation and they are still knowing the hardware..

You're definitely right that we haven't even started next gen yet so that's definitely a possibility. Another one is that maybe the developers don't have the resources to make this a 60FPS title.

Its funny people critising ps5 next gen only games being 4k30....or large open world like Valhalla......

did not take long.

Cross gen games like desitny 4k60..

Games will be the same, little difference, who would of guessed,....I am shocked.

Honestly I'm expecting both systems to have 30FPs games. And when it comes to multiplats I'm not expecting a day and night difference between them

The problem is not the game being 30 or 60fps, that was always up to devs, but this 'target 60fps' narrative MS marketing is doing to make every XSX game looks like it will be 60fps.

Initially I found Jezs reaction a little weird but now I understand why he criticized Microsoft. They need to work on their messaging a little better.

 

[Fortuneelsewhere]

The problem is not the game being 30 or 60fps, that was always up to devs, but this 'target 60fps' narrative MS marketing is doing to make every XSX game looks like it will be 60fps.

Ms is all about inconsistent/misleading messages... that's why I have no interest in them..

 

[Deleted member 775630]

Why does it matter that it doesn't run at 60fps? That's a dev decision... If the XSX had a 24TF GPU they still might have make it run at 30fps... So do we want Microsoft to force developers to push for 60fps then?

 

[Neo Blaster]

Please provide a link where MS stated all XSX games would run at 60 fps. Thank you.

Oh, now you're going to ignore MS marketing wording around that tag 'Optimized for Xbox Series X' and 'target 60fps'? They are trying to make people expect 60fps with that, and don't forget Aaron himself coming on Twitter saying 60fps would be standard just to be owned by Ubisoft later.

 

[Brudda26]

Honestly, if a game can not meet the 4k/60 this gen I would like to see the devs offer the option for running at 1080P/60 or 4k/30.

I'll take 4K whenever I can get it on a larger set but for smaller screens 1080 is plenty.

Why settle for 1080p there is 1440p or reconstruction etc

 

[Fortuneelsewhere]

Why does it matter that it doesn't run at 60fps? That's a dev decision... If the XSX had a 24TF GPU they still might have make it run at 30fps... So do we want Microsoft to force developers to push for 60fps then?

Now you surprise me. You're so concerned in the other thread about marvel avengers being 4K 30fps in PS5.. and now it's ok regarding medium in sex?

I see you evolved in your position.. good..

 

[xacto]

Please provide a link where MS stated all XSX games would run at 60 fps. Thank you.

Optimized for Xbox Series X badge indicates 'performance target of 60 FPS at 4K'

This seems like good news.

www.windowscentral.com

They should be a bit more careful with the message they send out though, it might be a double-edged sword.

 

[geordiemp]

Why does it matter that it doesn't run at 60fps? That's a dev decision... If the XSX had a 24TF GPU they still might have make it run at 30fps... So do we want Microsoft to force developers to push for 60fps then?

Yes it is, but if you been reading Neogaf for past week all XSX games are the power pinnacle it seems, some of us believe that 15 % TF, but slower GPU by 22 % and differing APIs it will be a much of a muchness.

At the MSPR, optimised for XSX and 120 FPS you can see why such beliefs are held, only to be shot down with reality.

And so it begins.

 

[DarkMage619]

Performance target of 60 FPS doesn't mean all XSX will be mandated to run at 60 FPS. I think some are just looking to attack MS for anything nowadays. Why not just talk about 2013 and TV TV TV at least that was real.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Optimized for Xbox Series X badge indicates 'performance target of 60 FPS at 4K'

This seems like good news.

www.windowscentral.com

They should be a bit more careful with the message they send out though, it might be a double-edged sword.

"Games that have been Optimized for Xbox Series X use the power of the new console to deliver higher, steadier frame rates, with a performance target of 60 FPS at 4K resolution. Some games will even be able to support frame rates up to 120 FPS or variable refresh rates, allowing developers to offer players heightened realism and more precise controls for fast-paced action."

If I was them I would change it to something like this.

"with a guaranteed performance of 60 FPS at 4K resolution at a minimum."

And then use that for games that actually meet those requirements. It also is another way to give developers and incentive to meet those minimums plus it isn't forcing them to do that. The ones that don't won't have the seal.

Edit: When I read target it reminds me of the target render for Killzone 2.

https://gamingbolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Killzone-2-E3-2005-1280x720.jpg