Phil Spencer feels it's counter productive to lock people away from games by making them device exclusive, prefers to scale games across ecosystem

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SlimySnake said:
he's not stupid. he knows he's being disingenuous if not straight up dishonest, but he knows his base will eat it up.

The sad thing is that we aren't even talking about the lockhart here. We are talking about series x games being held back by Xbox one, and we have people defending Phil here. It's shocking to say the least.
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Not shocking, it is a test of loyalty. Weird still :LOL:.
 
Well duh, Xbox boss spinning narrative In way that suits his circumstances Is pretty much exactly what you would expect. Jim Ryan is doing the same. It's not really newsworthy
 
Lol

Only someone cheering on a system with no exclusives would say that.

Saying old hardware doesn't hold development potential back is as blind sighted as it comes.

Stop saying stuff that is so obtuse Phil. Its a bad look.
 
You could apply the same argument to Nintendo then. That said I'm sick of this idea that PC is just this amazing gaming platform that works for just everyone. I mainly game on my PC and I'm going to be completely honest with you even back when I first bought my PC for over $1,300 there were always games I had to troubleshoot somehow, the advantage pcgaming presents is the ability to troubleshoot at all but I'm currently sinking hundreds of hours in the fallout New Vegas a game but no matter how much I modded or tweak ini files still crashes all the time. While my brother plays it using backwards compatibility on Xbox one X and it looks worse but it's not crashing. Like to just pretend the console ecosystem doesn't have its advantages in the optimizing games for console doesn't have its advantages is so silly to me, it's the diversity of the PC platform that prevents a lot of devs from anticipating the myriad problems different people with different setups will have. PC gaming is for people with the money and the time to deal with that. And forcing developers to create games for such an open ecosystem is totally unfair there's a reason why most PC exclusives nowadays are glorified indie titles and we rarely get something like Crysis anymore.
 
Oh man, this is how you talk to your kids, who doesn't necessarily understand how the world spins..
Accusing the competition of being anti-gaming by bringing a new generation to the table with software to match... just wow...
That's a whole 360° and we're still facing MS asking for next-gen games!
 
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Evilms said:
but let's be real – forcing studios to support seven-year-old hardware is going to limit what they make
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Still not tired of this stupid narrative ?

How much did Master System held back MegaDrive at the time ? It did not. How much does a low end computer held back a high end one ? It doesn't. How much did 360 held back Xbox One ? It did not.

Because two versions of the games are made for two different systems. There really isn't anything more to say about it.
 
This guy is heading for disaster...
the obsession with Sony is telling.. the message is terrible, they are positively undermining their fan base enthusiasm for next gen... ironically enough only die hard Xbox fans will eat this up even knowing deep down they will get intoxicated in the end.. brand loyalty Is a motherfucker :messenger_anxious:
 
Ascend said:
He has been throwing stones at Playstation specifically, and it's quite clear when he does it. Like his comment in one of the YouTube interviews where he says he prefers that you hear the games before you hear the console. That was an obvious reference to the loud PS4. But in this case, he is stating a different philosophy, not necessarily trying to insult specifically the Playstation... Things have been done this way for ages for a bunch of consoles and handhelds, including the Xbox itself, and they are driving away from that philosophy. I know you all believe Playstation is the center of gaming and everything, but really, there were and are more consoles out there... And it makes sense to make this change. No game is well optimized for the first year or two for the newest console anyway. Might as well release it for both.

It is all definitely in their own interest, and they are trying to sell it as good for gamers, which it actually is in this case. Obviously, the Xbox trying to enable access to their games for as many players as possible must be spinned as something negative... The device not being the center of their strategy is a good thing. Since when is more choice for the consumer wrong or bad? Oh right. When exclusives is the only argument you have left for bragging rights of your favorite brand. I would love playing Halo Infinite at launch on an Xbox One without having to spend $500+ on a new console. It's playing the game for $70 or $570. And I bet if there was a great PS5 exclusive at launch, you all would love to be able to play it on the PS4 as well. Anyone that says they wouldn't are in denial or have too high a stake in console warring.
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We all believe Playstation is the centre of gaming because... it is lol.
Im just saying its a formula Nintendo and PLaystion use, 2 of the 3 console makers out there.

Its not a big deal either way.
Definitely not a counter to what gaming is
 
I can't understand the number of posts on this thread missing the fact that a majority of PS5 exclusives will unlikely be available within a year of the release of the console and 3rd party games will continue to be cross gen at least for a year anyway.

SlimySnake said:
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I can promise you that this guy will look identical across both versions with slightly less detail in lower end xbox just Venom Snake in MGSV. It will not be as big of an upgrade as the Miles character model above.
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Halo model looks as impressive if not more than the Spiderman model. Which just seems implausible for a game that is cross gen given the responses I've read in this thread. This is the same with FS2020 which looks astounding and is also cross gen. I cant understand the issue here but whilst i enjoy games on both the PS5 and Xbox Series X/S theres others just wasting effort hating on things that don't matter.
 
Schmick said:
I can't understand the number of posts on this thread missing the fact that a majority of PS5 exclusives will unlikely be available within a year of the release of the console and 3rd party games will continue to be cross gen at least for a year anyway.


Halo model looks as impressive if not more than the Spiderman model. Which just seems implausible for a game that is cross gen given the responses I've read in this thread. This is the same with FS2020 which looks astounding and is also cross gen. I cant understand the issue here but whilst i enjoy games on both the PS5 and Xbox Series X/S theres others just wasting effort hating on things that don't matter.
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Good graphics is in the eye of the beholder anyways.. Let's wait for the games and let them do the talk, shall we?
 
Kokoloko85 said:
We all believe Playstation is the centre of gaming because... it is lol.
Im just saying its a formula Nintendo and PLaystion use, 2 of the 3 console makers out there.

Its not a big deal either way.
Definitely not a counter to what gaming is
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I'll raise your post by stating that in reality there are only two console manufactures left. This is the last consoles MS' would ever produce, since they think that after this gen. everyone is gaming on a second screen anyways. That being a PC, mobile or a temperature gage, MS won't care.
 
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anothertech said:
Lol

Only someone cheering on a system with no exclusives would say that.

Saying old hardware doesn't hold development potential back is as blind sighted as it comes.

Stop saying stuff that is so obtuse Phil. Its a bad look.
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I mean, youd have a point if you were in Phil's position and he was in yours....
 
This is as much of a console war baiting thread as I have ever seen and the simple fact that it is still around at a time when people get banned and labelled simply for fact checking false statements says a lot.
I don't need to defend Phil Spencer. The fact of the matter is that he does not mention Sony or the Playstation 5 a single time in this interview. He was asked specifically about Xbox's cross gen policy (for at least a year) and in his answer he contrasted it against the opposite which is enforcing console upgrade paywalls in titles which for many of them could easily run on previous hardware. We can agree or disagree but the title of this thread is really of the lowest misleading kind. Way to go mods.

As for the actual facts in point, Phils' article in gamingindustry.biz lets the actual developers speak. When people who have devoted their lives to creating some of the best pieces in this art form such as the creators of Fallout tell me that the art of making great RPGs has nothing to do with console generations, I listen. It's basically all I need to hear. The founders of Obsidian said that the way they've made the Outer Worlds and other classics is by focusing on putting great characters in a compelling world, not on making sure that nobody without the latest hardware can play it. What are your credentials to disagree? People need to sit back and enjoy the games more. If you don't want to play it because it doesn't only run on XSX then please go get a PS5 launch exclusive. But the fake outrage at some of the best gaming professionals stating what their craft requires and what it does not is really, like Phil said, glorified device warrior shenanigans on a gaming forum that wouldn't suffer from being a bit less arbitrarily moderated.

That being said, I would like to see Phil let the great stuff that I'm sure they have in reserve do the talking from now on. The time for long interviews quite frankly has passed and now everyone is waiting for Microsoft to put up or shut up. If this is about occupying the airwaves until July 23rd, please just drop micro snippets of teasers for some of the games, similarly to that Halo Infinite Banished audio rant. That does in my opinion a lot more to excite and galvanize the public while you're setting up your haymaker. Just my 2 cents.
 
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Dory16 said:
This is as much of a console war baiting thread as I have ever seen and the simple fact that it is still around at a time when people get banned and labelled simply for fact checking false statements says a lot.
I don't need to defend Phil Spencer. The fact of the matter is that he does not mention Sony of the Playstation 5 a single time in this interview. He was asked specifically about Xbox's cross gen policy (for at least a year) and in his answer he contrasted it against the opposite which is enforcing console upgrade paywalls in titles which for many of them could easily run on previous hardware. We can agree or disagree but the title of this thread is really of the lowest misleading kind. Way to go mods.

As for the actual facts in point, Phils' article in gamingindustry.biz lets the actual developers speak. When people who have devoted their lives to creating some of the best pieces in this art form such as the creators of Fallout tell me that the art of making great RPGs has nothing to do with console generations, I listen. It's basically all I need to hear. The founders of Obsidian said that the way they've made the Outer Worlds and other classics is by focusing on putting great characters in a compelling world, not on making sure that nobody without the latest hardware can play it. What are your credentials to disagree? People need to sit back and enjoy the games more. If you don't want to play it because it doesn't only run on XSX then please go get a PS5 launch exclusive. But the fake outrage at some of the best gaming professionals stating what their craft requires and what it does not is really, like Phil said, glorified device warrior shenanigans on a gaming forum that wouldn't suffer from being less a bit arbitrarily moderated.
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You guys need to stop acting like you Xbox fans are so put-upon if we did just take what people say to the letter then the other thread currently going about how Tim Sweeney says Sony's investment in epic had nothing to do with his praise wouldn't be receiving so many drive-by troll posts. The fact is both these threads exist at once because both sides are going to get this kind of s*** and if you're sensitive to a certain side you're only going to notice it when it happens to you.
 
eastwood333 said:
Then why is sony so terrified to go first with pricing the PS5 if it's not concerned about Xbox?
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Sony is terrified of PS4 spiked sales to go down once they announce PS5 price and the attention fully goes to PS5. PS4 Pro is still selling at $470 here. Sony is afraid of cannibalizing itself.

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Bo_Hazem said:
Sony is terrified of PS4 spiked sales to go down once they announce PS5 price and the attention fully goes to PS5. PS4 Pro is still selling at $470 here. Sony is afraid of cannibalizing itself.
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But Sony wants everyone to transition to PS5 as soon as possible. Sonys own words. People buying PS4s can't buy PS5 exclusives.

Your reasoning is laughable. They're waiting for MS to make the first move like they did in 2013. They're afraid MS will undercut them and they're afraid of Lockhart.
 
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McCheese said:
The gulf between the S and Series X is gargantuan, as a developer having to support that piece of shit even on current gen is a ballache, but 2021 titles? Good luck
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Current gen does not have a SSD, RDNA 2 GPU, or Zen2 CPU. XSX and Lockhart have the same SSD,RDNA 2 GPU, and Zen 2 CPU.
 
eastwood333 said:
But Sony wants everyone to transition to PS5 as soon as possible. Sonys own words. People buying PS4s can't buy PS5 exclusives.

Your reasoning is laughable. They're waiting for MS to make the first move like they did in 2013. They're afraid MS will undercut them and they're afraid of Lockart.
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I don't think you understand. Only Sony is allowed to makes moves that allow them to make money.

Nintendo are cunts for doing basically the same thing. Microsoft are cunts for trying a different approach which ends up being cheaper for the end customer.
 
eastwood333 said:
But Sony wants everyone to transition to PS5 as soon as possible. Sonys own words. People buying PS4s can't buy PS5 exclusives.

Your reasoning is laughable. They're waiting for MS to make the first move like they did in 2013.
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Has PS5 launched yet? How can you transition people to PS5 now? They'll announce it mostly around September or late August. Maybe you don't know what's happening in the world, but no matter how much PS5 Sony makes they'll vanish within hours and first year will always be tough to match the demand.

Xbox started talking about XSX since around 2-3 years now, and with embarrassing sales this current gen, they should hurry up and open pre-orders before the flood. Wait too long and no one will hear them talking with all the buzz and noise about PS5, the leaders of gaming.
 
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MrS said:
The omission of Horizon Forbidden West on your list tells its own story.
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Another franchise sequel? Not exactly.

The game might be great. But what we saw (no gameplay) could easily be done on a PS4 with downtimes graphics.
 
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LOL without even mentioning the target is clear LOL... It is every other console manufacturer in the business, namely Nintendo and PlayStation, and it is clear who is making money and who isn't.
 
Ask Phil if it's possible to make a game on the XSX that could not be possible on the Xbox One?" And wait for the the cringe while he commits perjury.
 
Bo_Hazem said:
Has PS5 launched yet? How can you transition people to PS5 now? They'll announce it mostly around September or late August. Maybe you don't know what's happening in the world, but no matter how much PS5 Sony makes they'll vanish within hours and first year will always be tough to match the demand.

Xbox started talking about XSX since around 2-3 years now, and with embarrassing sales this current gen, they should hurry up and open pre-orders before the flood. Wait too long and no one will hear them talking with all the buzz and noise about PS5, the leaders of gaming.
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By waiting for the launch of PS5, which is only 3-4 months from now.
Leaders of gaming? They beat MS in one area...exclusives. Xbox is superior in every other way from BC, gamepass, live, majority of best multiplats, more consumer friendly,etc...

It's a new Generation where XSX is the most powerful console that will be price evenly with the PS5 or even cheaper on top of having Lockhart in an economic global recession . Xbox has significantly invested in numerous 1st party studios with the possibility of acquiring WB Games division or others.

Its a new ball game. This isn't 2013 Don Mattrick era where XB1 launched a hundred dolllars more while being 50% weaker, with little 1st party studios.
 
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SSfox said:
Already starting the damage control, classic MS i guess, doesn't smell good for their 23/7 show eww
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No no just give them a chance, I mean we should be looking forward to their event for new IPs and games, not only 3rd party but also 1st if they are making them, it is better for gaming as a whole. MS should be keeping Sony at their toes as worthy rivals for our sake as well, it is not a great look for gaming as a whole when their head officers look at console exclusives as something counter to gaming. Maybe it is time for a real gamer to take the reins of Xbox division, someone like Reggie Fils-aime of Nintendo.
 
Fuck me does that article seem to be trying to push an agenda. It's bad that Microsoft is allowing their games to be played on PC and not just on console? We're actually complaining about users getting to play games the way they want to and developers reaching as many gamers as possible?
 
What IS gaming about Phil?

Only you can tell us... Sony and Nintendo have obviously lost their way, they make too many games, too exclusive and they should stop letting people 'own' their games and instead rent games to people....letting people own stuff is 'overrated'.

Gaming is all about exploiting people, getting them to buy into buzzwords, false narratives and PR speak and then when you have everyone on board change the terms.... up the prices, lower the quality and nobody can say anything cause youre the only show in town.

Keep buying out the industry Phil...save us from Nintendo and Sony and their evil games....
 
eastwood333 said:
By waiting for the launch of PS5, which is only 3-4 months from now.
Leaders of gaming? They beat MS in one area...exclusives. Xbox is superior in every other way from BC, gamepass, live, majority of best multiplats, more consumer friendly,etc...

It's a new Generation where XSX is the most powerful console that will be price evenly with the PS5 or even cheaper. Xbox has significantly invested in numerous 1st party studios with the possibility of acquiring WB Games division or others.

Its a new ball game. This isn't 2013 where XB1 launched a hundred dolllars more while being 50% weaker, with little 1st party studios.
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It's always been a new ball game since mid 1990's, 4 generations so far and the 5th won't change the the obvious winners, if you ask Phil himself he'll agree with me.

Ok, it's getting tiresome now, I might not reply to your next quotation.
 
I'm not a game dev, and don't really know shit about hardware, but if Rare can get Sea of Thieves to run on a potato, I think 343 can get a graphically gimped Halo to run on an Xbox One with load screens.

I actually think the load screens would be funny with blatant statements like, "You wouldn't be seeing this load screen right now if you bought a Series X."
 
Apollo Helios said:
No no just give them a chance, I mean we should be looking forward to their event for new IPs and games, not only 3rd party but also 1st if they are making them, it is better for gaming as a whole. MS should be keeping Sony at their toes as worthy rivals for our sake as well, it is not a great look for gaming as a whole when their head officers look at console exclusives as something counter to gaming. Maybe it is time for a real gamer to take the reins of Xbox division, someone like Reggie Fils-aime of Nintendo.
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We'll see, i agree with you that it will be good for everyone if MS will make great games (obviously), but i'm not setting my expectation high with a company that has been disappointment after disappointment since years, and even more now that it seems Initiative won't be in.

But sure we'll see, i plan to watch the show anyway, just for the 3rd party games.
 
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