MasterCornholio
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Some are worse than others. Ghosts doesn't seem that bad to me but Infinite really takes the cake. Hopefully this never happens again.
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Some are worse than others. Ghosts doesn't seem that bad to me but Infinite really takes the cake. Hopefully this never happens again.
sonomamashine
Member
Which one, there is two of them, regardless it's a downgrade.
Yes you read like you're in denial and can't spot a downgrade, good talk.
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Deleted member 775630
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Yeah but it's annoying that we're probably going to have another Halo MCC failure on our hands at release, and at the moment Halo MCC is amazingly good, but it sucks that we have to wait probably a year until Halo Infinite is a proper game the way they envisioned it at the start.
MasterCornholio
Member
You talking about Ghosts vs Halo Infinite when it comes to downgrades?
I mean I would say that Infinite was worse especially with the trailers that they showed us and all that messaging on how it's going to look next gen on the XSX. But I wouldn't call that false marketing because they always said it was a work in progress or that they were targeting it.
They didn't exactly have us CGI and told us that it was going to be the final product.
Sinthor
Gold Member
That is a great story, man. Glad you have another positive memory of your father to hold on to!
sonomamashine
Member
They got both downgraded.
The problem with Halo is that they went with a 4K60Fps target, and that's taxing for the GPU, even high end graphics card struggle with 4K60 on current gen games.
No i was not comparing halo vs ghost.
Bonsaibäumchen
Member
You know I am a Sony fan and obviously all this badtalking about PS5 did get on my nerves.
Yet I was shocked to see Halo Infinite looking like that. I was actually anticipating and hoping it would be incredibly good. ( at least top notch compared with other games ) Because I really wanted good consoles and great competition. But that didn't work out at all.
I just hope MS will be able to offer games that are on par or at least closer to Sonys firstparty games later in this "next-gen". Otherwise this whole affair will be ugly to watch.
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THE:MILKMAN
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It is a an APU and both CPU/GPU have capped clocks and are inextricably linked on the new fixed power paradigm. I remain doubtful about any increase in clocks.
I'll reserve a golf clap for Cerny if I turn out wrong.
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Deleted member 775630
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I can't imagine all studios having issues. Even though it was CGI there was some cool stuff in the pipeline. Everwild and Fable will be good games, both studios have a good track record. Avowed looks great, but the scale and complexity of such a game is huge so it will be interesting to see if they can deliver. Forza will definitely deliver, and I've always thought it was better than GT so there's no real issue there.
It's just so weird that their biggest and best IP is in the current state... I can never imagine that Uncharted would be in this state so late in the development cycle. So where did it go wrong? It's not like 343i is shit at developing games, there must be some skeletons in the closet.
MasterCornholio
Member
The way they handled Infinite kind of reminds me of how Sony handled Killzone 2 with that target render. Im pretty sure the first footage they we've seen was a target render.
With that said we are talking about an Xbox One game running at 4K 60FPs on the Series X a 12TF system with a fast SSD. There's no reason why the system isn't capable of producing a much better looking game.
I put the blame on 343 and not the Series X. I'm pretty sure we will see much better looking games at 4K 60FPs on the Series X.
Not like this though.
yewles1
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Remember when Sony got sued over Killzone's MP resolution? Why only them?...
Setsuna Mudou
Member
Software yeah.
The reason why a certain amount of CUs are disabled by default is in order to have a minimum threshold of silicone that won't be trashed and end up as a full loss. With sufficiently high enough yields, it means some of the overhead CUs could potentially be enabled. This is somewhat of a gamble companies have to take, but what's been rumored is that TSMC is having absolutely amazing yields on this 7nm process.
It's part of the reason why AMD is about to kick everyone's (Intel and Nvidia's) ass right now.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
This is a great fucking video. Microsoft needs to cancel the last gen versions asap, and turn this game into a ray tracing only game.
Ray traced Global Illumination will fix the soft lighting and shadows.
Ray traced reflections will fix the muted armor reflections
It will force them to reduce the needless native 4k 60 fps support to appease Timdog and co. and solve the pop-in issue
To me, this is an easy fix. The game will need to be delayed and thats ok. But it clearly cannot ship in this state. imagine how bad it will look at 900p 60 fps on base xbox one and whatever resolution the x1x will run it at.
Just let those consoles go.
Bonsaibäumchen
Member
The way they handled Infinite kind of reminds me of how Sony handled Killzone 2 with that target render. Im pretty sure the first footage they we've seen was a target render.
With that said we are talking about an Xbox One game running at 4K 60FPs on the Series X a 12TF system with a fast SSD. There's no reason why the system isn't capable of producing a much better looking game.
I put the blame on 343 and not the Series X. I'm pretty sure we will see much better looking games at 4K 60FPs on the Series X.
Not like this though.
Yeah I saw some Documentation about HZD where GuerrilaGames actually said it was a target render. They sent that clearly labled TargetRender to Sony unrelated to E3 afaik.
Somehow it ended up on stage on Sonys E3 Demonstration but without the info of it beeing a target render.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
It's 60 fps, open world, realtime time of day and the fact that it needs to run at 60 fps on base consoles.
343i to me created the best looking game of last gen in Halo 4. They are not a bad studio. The decisions they had to make, the cutbacks they had to make were due to the design of the game. The game is technically doing things NO other shooter is doing this gen. I cant think of a single 60 fps open world game with realtime time of day.
BTW, you get massive points from me for staying in this thread after the conference. Lots of others have completely disappeared and its disappointing. You're alright in my book.
Bo_Hazem
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I think after todays presentation Sony might just cancel the ps5 and just stick with the ps4
Uncharted 4 on PS4 Pro
Just look at the trees and how horrendous the distant graphics are, thanks to VRS as it seems:
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MasterCornholio
Member
Was that the ShadowFall lawsuit?
AveragePhoenix
Member
Can someone please ban me? I'm seeing so many awful takes in here that I don't know If I can stop myself from cursing them into hell.
MasterCornholio
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Yeah I saw some Documentation about HZD where GuerrilaGames actually said it was a target render. They sent that clearly labled TargetRender to Sony unrelated to E3 afaik.
Somehow it ended up on stage on Sonys E3 Demonstration but without the info of it beeing a target render.
Dang I didn't know that at all. Still it's amazing how good the game looks.
You should take that to the ban thread or let a mod know that you want a ban.
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sircaw
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Uncharted 4 on PS4 Pro
Just look at the trees and the horrendous distant graphics, thanks to VRS as it seems:
It's crazy how good uncharted 4 looks, i am still playing it now. Have not even got to the second picture as yet.
Eye candy everywhere and plays like a dream. IF ONLY IT HAD SHADOWS.
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sircaw
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Phil Spencer's twitter page is the the perfect place to voice your anger.
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Setsuna Mudou
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@ Bold: And this was with ray tracing turned off, just wait to see the performance once they do turn that on... yikes...
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AveragePhoenix
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I don't think you know what I mean by "Awful takes"
sircaw
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Well if you have a bone to pick, try discuss it with people, no need bottling it in. Its like a bad fart, you need to let it go.
Just don't do it after you have had a second helping of a good spicy Madras curry. Take my word for it.
Gediminas
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yes, i am denial, i just finished the most beautiful and best looking open world game to date, which looking like a PS5 game.
Entroyp
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Wait for this wait for that wait for next E3.... wait wait wait
Gediminas
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i think, this game will be in "Wrong time of day" 99,99% of the time
do you`hear the sound?
what sound?
how money filling the DF pockets...
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AveragePhoenix
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Well, let's then. Halo Infinite's gameplay looked fun as hell and I don't care about anything else. Xbox showed the same amount of gameplay as Sony did and yet they are the ones getting sh*t because of it.Well if you have a bone to pick, try discuss it with people, no need bottling it in. Its like a bad fart, you need to let it go.
Just don't do it after you have had a second helping of a good spicy Madras curry. Take my word for it.
This must count as a capital sin, right? God forbid I say something positive about Xbox.
Sinthor
Gold Member
i think, this game will be in "Wrong time of day" 99,99% of the time
To be fair, I thought Halo looked fun and it even looks good in motion. I get that they are being limited by the legacy support as well, perhaps...although that wasn't supposed to be a thing. In any case, it's clear they have some work to do and things like having RT as a patch later...it all indicates they're having some issues. I'm sure it will be a fun game when it comes out and as others have pointed out...doing an open world 4k@60fps game is NOT easy.
Bottom line, I just can't buy Alex's "explanation" here of why people THINK it looks odd. Just...whatever.
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Ass of Can Whooping
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Sony showed much more gameplay than Xbox
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jose4gg
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You are in denial and it's okay, you are a fan...
But we are talking about the graphics, the 12TF that is so superior to the 10.28 of PS5,
- SpiderMan looks better
- Halo 5 looks better
- RDR2 looks better
The graphics ARE BAD, if you want to talk about the gameplay, great, this isn't what is been discussed here.
AveragePhoenix
Member
...No, they didn't.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Check this out people.
I've seen his name pop up a few times. is he reliable at all?
Fortuneelsewhere
Member
i think, this game will be in "Wrong time of day" 99,99% of the time
Alex going full retard in this damage control video..
(do they really think people besides Xbox diehard fans will buy this mambo jambo?)
AveragePhoenix
Member
I didn't realize this was a "Graphics Speculation Analysis" OT.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Yeah, they did
Microsofts new first-party announcements had zero gameplay compared to Sonys for starters
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LiquidRex
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I would say he's one of the best with regards leaks if not the best
jose4gg
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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Speculation/Analysis/Leaks Thread
- ¿Did Halo show Next-gen graphics?
- ¿Did Halo show Next-gen physics?
- ¿Did Halo show Next-gen animation?
- ¿Did Halo show Next-gen effects?
- ¿Did Halo show Next-gen gameplay in any kind of form?
- ¿Does next-gen means 4k60 only?
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Three Jackdaws
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Uncharted 4 has been one of my favourite games, especially the online multiplayer. I'm glad people are still appreciating it's graphics, it's one fo the best looking games ever and it's aged like fine wine.Uncharted 4 on PS4 Pro
Just look at the trees and how horrendous the distant graphics are, thanks to VRS as it seems:
But here's what's interesting, think about what Naughty Dog were able to accomplish with Uncharted 4 on current gen hardware, now think about the gigantic power and performance leap of the PS5 and try imagining what Naughty Dog will be able to pull of with next-gen hardware.
Here's what happens if I think about it:
Sinthor
Gold Member
I agree with you on this. Everwild looked CRAZY good from the art style- I hope it's a good game. Other stuff like Avowed looked cool as well. There just is something going on with Halo. Hell, I STILL think even 'as is' it will be fun to play and unless you screenshot everything....probably won't notice a lot of any graphical issues anyway. And it IS doing something ambitious. IMHO, I think they ARE having issues due to having that legacy support. I don't think you'd see this happening if it was an XSX game only. Maybe I'm wrong.
I think the major criticism it's having is that it doesn't look like the earlier Halo Infinite trailer. THAT is what people were expecting to see so I think they're harshing on it more since it didn't live up to that trailer. In my opinion as well...having someone like Alex at DF try to explain the issues away as being at the wrong time of day/wrong lighting doesn't help either. There are clearly some other issues at play here even if he's PARTIALLY correct. Again, I think it's legacy support, but time will tell!
Regardless, as you said, lots of stuff looked very interesting and I think when all is said and done Xbox fans will be happy. It's just going to take a while for all the development houses to get onboard since MS switched tacks regarding 1st party devs. Within another year or so, anyone who has an XSX will be more than happy, I'm sure.
AveragePhoenix
Member
Announcements? We are talking about gameplay. Halo Infinite alone showed more gameplay than all of the Sony games.
Gediminas
Banned
Ratchet and Clank gameplay.
GT7 gameplay
Project Athia small platforming gameplay
Kena, sniff of gameplay, showed some
Sackboy gameplay
there were more.
how much showed xbox? which were running on xbox? because all footage in Sony conference came from PS5.
AveragePhoenix
Member
It is a game launching with the XSX, a next-gen console, so as far as I'm talking about Halo Infinite, I'm talking about Next-Gen,
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Three Jackdaws
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yewles1
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Yes.
Court dismisses lawsuit surrounding Killzone: Shadow Fall graphics
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sircaw
Banned
I am going to try and be fair here.
The amount of bullshit that has been passed around this last month by xbox fan boys has been out of control.
the amount of crap coming out of phil spencers and Greenburg mouths has been extreme to say the least.
The amount of trolls on this forum trying to spread fud
The reporting by some people trying to get people banned.
There has been so much Fud, it has been fucking DISGUSTING.
So much belittlement of Sony and there studios, their hardware, its been none stop
Microsoft Fan boys have been attacking Sony for the last six + weeks none stop, i have seen people quit these forums declaring they have had enough and will come back later when things have improved.
For normal people that are xbox fans, i wish them zero ills, i seriously hope they enjoy they xbox and they enjoy there games. But for the xbox Fan boys, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, they can fuck off.
If they feel hurt about the last few days, that is their issue not mine. They have brought it on themselves.
This is the truth, everyone on this particular forum with the excpetion of a couple of die hard fans are thinking the same thing.
I am sorry if you are hurt or offended and if you ask where is the fud go and read some off the posts that have been around, i could literally give you 10 examples off the top of my head.
But you can do the research yourself, you will find them.
If you are offended by this i am sorry, report button get me banned.
But i am not changing my tune on this. Xbox have double down, trippled down on trying to ruin sony fans enjoyment this last 6 weeks. Its reap what you sow time.
Poke the bear and this happens.
If you are just a regular xbox fan, sorry you have been caught up in this, but blame, dealer, eastwood,timdog, spencer, the list goes on and fucking on.
From me to you...
Peace
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