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[Larryfox]

Is it weird that Xcloud is more heavily marketed( and tested) in Korea than Japan?
Did MS finally say "fuck it there's other Asian markets" I'm not mad at them, I'd do the same after 20 yrs of lukewarm reception

South Korea was the biggest market for xcloud beta.

 

[HawarMiran]

Is it weird that Xcloud is more heavily marketed( and tested) in Korea than Japan?
Did MS finally say "fuck it there's other Asian markets" I'm not mad at them, I'd do the same after 20 yrs of lukewarm reception

South Korea is the perfect market to test cloud-gaming

Internet in South Korea - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Wireless broadband[edit]
South Korea has pulled ahead of every other country when it comes to broadband Internet in all categories including Speed and Quality, Adoption, Price, and Literacy and Gender Equality according to Internet Monitor.[11] As many large, powerful countries begin to fall behind broadband experts look to South Korea for solutions. However, there are multiple reasons why South Korea's broadband is successful, such as, "Government planning, healthy competition, urban population density, private-sector growth, and Korean culture",[12] which have made it difficult for other countries to mimic their success.

 

[saintjules]

Fun while it lasted

 

[SSfox]

I dunno if this was mentioned but PS5 spot was broadcast live during Champion League finals

 

[Mahavastu]

Adding to this, I don't think we will see an nvme SSD with 7 GB/S throughput on the market this year, so there will be no options to expand internal storage until next year.

Here in Germany you can get m2 nvme SSDs with 3+GB/s quite cheap, around 230€ for 2TB.
Yes, it is slower that what Sony suggests and loading times will be higher, but the prices should be acceptable and the drives should be "fast enough" for a lot of games (PS4, Multiplatts, Early Gens).
I am also quite confident that Sony has a function to copy games from the buildt-in drive to the m2 SSD and back quite fast for games which really require the insane fast SSD

That solution should be more performant (and maybe even cheaper) then the external USB drive solution

 

[Entroyp]

Here in Germany you can get m2 nvme SSDs with 3+GB/s quite cheap, around 230€ for 2TB.
Yes, it is slower that what Sony suggests and loading times will be higher, but the prices should be acceptable and the drives should be "fast enough" for a lot of games (PS4, Multiplatts, Early Gens).
I am also quite confident that Sony has a function to copy games from the buildt-in drive to the m2 SSD and back quite fast for games which really require the insane fast SSD

That solution should be more performant (and maybe even cheaper) then the external USB drive solution

I don't think you can put that drive in to play games. Do you mean to use it as backup storage?

According to Cerny an nvme drive would have to be tested and validated first, and a 3.5 GB/S drive would fall way short.

 

[azertydu91]

I will tell you what is bad.

I was bored last night so i decided to watch a film on netflick.

Someone posted an image the other day of Sabrina with her red coat, after seeing that i decided to watch the film called Twilight, i heard of it but never watched it, its like 10-years-old and is about vampires.

It was fucking terrible.

All gushy and drippy, the way the two lead cast characters were looking at each other with those bedroom eyes, a bit like @AeneaGames looking at a Bakery.

I think you hit an all time low there.

 

[SSfox]

Here in Germany you can get m2 nvme SSDs with 3+GB/s quite cheap, around 230€ for 2TB.
Yes, it is slower that what Sony suggests and loading times will be higher, but the prices should be acceptable and the drives should be "fast enough" for a lot of games (PS4, Multiplatts, Early Gens).
I am also quite confident that Sony has a function to copy games from the buildt-in drive to the m2 SSD and back quite fast for games which really require the insane fast SSD

That solution should be more performant (and maybe even cheaper) then the external USB drive solution

This SSD won't work on PS5. It have to be at least at the same speed of PS5 SSD

BTW wonder Sony plan to release PS5 2T, and when.

 

[Mahavastu]

According to Cerny an nvme drive would have to be tested and validated first, and a 3.5 GB/S drive would fall way short.

I would be really surprised if if that would not work.
Yes, you would need the 7GB/s to make sure that each and every PS5 game will run flawless from it. But if you accept some minor problems here and there I guess it should be "good enough" for many cases and especially in the beginning save tons of money

 

[Mr Moose]

Is it weird that Xcloud is more heavily marketed( and tested) in Korea than Japan?
Did MS finally say "fuck it there's other Asian markets" I'm not mad at them, I'd do the same after 20 yrs of lukewarm reception

Samsung is Korean (plus they have good internet). It's weird they aren't trying it in Japan too though, they love mobile gaming.

 

[Tulipanzo]

I would be really surprised if if that would not work.
Yes, you would need the 7GB/s to make sure that each and every PS5 game will run flawless from it. But if you accept some minor problems here and there I guess it should be "good enough" for many cases and especially in the beginning save tons of money

No, it won't work, straight up, because it'd break games. You can still use it for external storage.

 

[Entroyp]

I would be really surprised if if that would not work.
Yes, you would need the 7GB/s to make sure that each and every PS5 game will run flawless from it. But if you accept some minor problems here and there I guess it should be "good enough" for many cases and especially in the beginning save tons of money

I don't think the SSD was designed just for loading. How would Sony explain to every dev that they make sure their game assets stream appropriately on 1 GB/S or 7 GB/S drives?. That's why Cerny said the external drive has to at least match the internal drive in performance, not speed.

Plus, that would defeat the purpose of developing a fast customized internal drive.

 

[IntentionalPun]

I don't think the SSD was designed just for loading. How would Sony explain to every dev that they make sure their game assets stream appropriately on 1 GB/S or 7 GB/S. That's why Cerny said the external drive has to at least match the internal drive in performance, not speed.

IIRC PS5 games will only ever be playable on an internal drive; there's a second slot in the PS5 for them.. only BC games will ever work on an external.

But I do wonder how much the OS is actually going to do to stop people from installing slow internal drives (as long as they physically fit.) Will be interesting to see what it does/what people try.

 

[SlimySnake]

I appreciate that but I too am tired of this "war of attrition" and "bleed them out" mentality that Sony is currently engaged in.

Since we are a speculation thread I will do some speculating.

I know Xbox is sitting on one more big game thats probably pretty far out I dont know the timing of when they are going to reveal it.

They have some bigger Gamepass news I think is coming probably this week maybe with Keighlys show Thursday.

Sony sitting on major 3rd party money hatting news that could very well be the dagger.

Plus waiting on the obvious new God of War on PS5 trailer that everyone knows is coming just when?

Getting the PS5 teardown video that I personally think is this week but in no way is that confirmed thats just my gut feeling.

Still have some sort of State of Play maybe? type of "event" for PS5 showing UI and how fast the SSD truly is which I think is early Sept.

Regardless this next week or two is going to be filled with bits and pieces of news.

sony's cock teasing was already bad, but its been over 2 months since their last reveal and they have been dead silent. they have shown little to no gameplay for their big AAA titles. they have failed at showing off the consoles features, what next gen gameplay is and what the launch games are going to look and play like. A fucking chinese studio making their first ever game with 40 devs was able to make a gameplay demo far more impressive than anything sony's 2000 first developers could.

either they are being fucking lazy or they are just plain clueless, and have no idea how to advertise video games.

 

[Sinthor]

this is fucking stupid. even windows takes only 21 gb.

I'm totally fine with this. I plan on having a decent number of PS4 or upgraded PS4 games on another HD in any case. Copying a few back and forth...this means you can have probably 8-10 games on the internal HD. I'm sure there will be more options in the future to expand the storage but I'll take this limit for the blazing speed we're going to get. Also, yes, Windows takes about 21GB to be charitable but I assume that like with the PS4, this number for the OS takes into account the fact that the system is recording your gameplay for up to 15 minutes. 4K video is HEFTY. So if we want that feature, it takes a bit of space to accommodate.

 

[BattleScar]

Samsung is Korean (plus they have good internet). It's weird they aren't trying it in Japan too though, they love mobile gaming.

Xbox doesn't exist in Japan.

 

[Entroyp]

Oh

IIRC PS5 games will only ever be playable on an internal drive; there's a second slot in the PS5 for them.. only BC games will ever work on an external.

But I do wonder how much the OS is actually going to do to stop people from installing slow internal drives (as long as they physically fit.) Will be interesting to see what it does/what people try.

Oh yea, by external I meant the additional NVME drive in the expansion slot.

 

[Sinthor]

I will tell you what is bad.

I was bored last night so i decided to watch a film on netflick.

Someone posted an image the other day of Sabrina with her red coat, after seeing that i decided to watch the film called Twilight, i heard of it but never watched it, its like 10-years-old and is about vampires.

It was fucking terrible.

All gushy and drippy, the way the two lead cast characters were looking at each other with those bedroom eyes, a bit like @AeneaGames looking at a Bakery.

lol. But now that you've watched one....gotta watch them all! It IS definitely teenage romance drama but I dunno...it can be somewhat entertaining if you need something to watch. It's the only one of Stephanie Meyers stories to make even a halfway good movie.

 

[Sinthor]

Spoiler: That's so hot

You are one sick dude....

 

[LucidFlux]

I would be really surprised if if that would not work.
Yes, you would need the 7GB/s to make sure that each and every PS5 game will run flawless from it. But if you accept some minor problems here and there I guess it should be "good enough" for many cases and especially in the beginning save tons of money

I will guarantee any game releasing exclusively for PS5 will be flagged not to play from a drive that is not approved. Whether that is handled by an OS database that gets updated with supported drives or a test is performed once your drive is installed, we shall find out. But any game that is built relying on streaming data any faster than a mechanical HDD would undoubtably break. I bet this will apply to all PS5 games so that even games built with current gen engines and mindsets will still require an approved drive.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

The PS5 launching in Japan a week before global? I call fake.

 

[ZywyPL]

These new consoles will have enough space for half a COD update.

So more like half a gig rather than 1 TB, yikes!

 

[IntentionalPun]

"175 GB for OS" sounds.. ridiculous to me. Even taking into account that a large portion of that is just "reserved space" and not actual OS executable that seems like a lot.

(but if anyone is expecting these 'resume' features not to eat up a ton of space they need to buy a calculator)

 

[zaitsu]

"175 GB for OS" sounds.. ridiculous to me. Even taking into account that a large portion of that is just "reserved space" and not actual OS executable that seems like a lot.

(but if anyone is expecting these 'resume' features not to eat up a ton of space they need to buy a calculator)

Yeah, resume feature on XSX will eat 50GB at least.

 

[BGs]

175+825=?

 

[Dodkrake]

It's interesting in general to think about how these OS's will handle externals; has a system ever disallowed playing from one in the past, and is that what we are expecting this gen if you plug in a slow HDD? Can the system even really "detect" that quickly when you plug in a drive how fast it is?

USB 3.1 only allows for 10Gbit second transfer speeds. Any external drive, no matter what it is, will not be able to play games in the new gen consoles, assuming the Xbox has a similar capped system to the PS5 that requires a 7GB/s drive installed.

As for the process easy

1. Plugin drive. If external, no games will be played (system knows it's a USB connection). If internal, move to step 2
2. system checks driver compatibility. If drive is compatible
   1. System assumes its compliant to it's certification program
   2. Places a quick load test to verify speed compliance
3. If drive is incompatible
   1. System throws a message saying drive is incompatible.
   2. It either refuses to run it, or runs it but prevents the user from launching games

assuming the strategies above, this should take a couple of seconds.

 

[Dodkrake]

175+825=?

Speculation time: It would be interesting if there is a 175GB hidden partition for system reserved files and OS, and a separate 825GB partition for installs

 

[jose4gg]

Speculation time: It would be interesting if there is a 175GB hidden partition for system reserved files and OS, and a separate 825GB partition for installs

They would advertise 1TB for PS5...

I would recommend everyone to buy an external SSD to move the games to it, and when it's time to play you moved them back to the PS5, with an USB-C this should be quick.

 

[bitbydeath]

"175 GB for OS" sounds.. ridiculous to me. Even taking into account that a large portion of that is just "reserved space" and not actual OS executable that seems like a lot.

(but if anyone is expecting these 'resume' features not to eat up a ton of space they need to buy a calculator)

I don't think PS5 will need quick resume since all games already load instantly/ near instantly.

There was talk of them possibly putting the game menu at the OS level. That's more like a quick jump though.

 

[MasterCornholio]

"175 GB for OS" sounds.. ridiculous to me. Even taking into account that a large portion of that is just "reserved space" and not actual OS executable that seems like a lot.

(but if anyone is expecting these 'resume' features not to eat up a ton of space they need to buy a calculator)

To be fair he just put that number in a tweet and hadn't stated where he got it from. It's not like Sony confirmed that number or anything.

Grain of salt like always.

 

[zaitsu]

175+825=?

To everyone, learn to recognize sarcasm when you see one.

 

[hemo memo]

I dunno if this was mentioned but PS5 spot was broadcast live during Champion League finals

And millions of confused ad viewers who looked for a price/release date and found nothing.

 

[bitbydeath]

Doncabesa , hi sleepdoctor, we've missed your laughing posts.

 

[saintjules]

Some very interesting leaks for the Playstation 5 today, as the alleged amount of memory which is reserved for developers has been leaked. But if the leaks are true, how much of the PS5's RAM will be available for games to utilise on the next gen console. We also have yet more rumours on the PS5's price and the size of the SSD on the machine.

 

[Dabaus]

How much space does the current PS4 OS take up?

 

[IntentionalPun]

I don't think PS5 will need quick resume since all games already load instantly/ near instantly.

There was talk of them possibly putting the game menu at the OS level. That's more like a quick jump though.

Quick resume only works on machines with fast I/O in the first place... the faster the I/O, the better a feature like that works in fact lol I hope PS5 has that feature, it will be that much better on it.

 

[bitbydeath]

Quick resume only works on machines with fast I/O in the first place... the faster the I/O, the better a feature like that works in fact lol I hope PS5 has that feature, it will be that much better on it.

It will by default with quick load.

 

[IntentionalPun]

It will by default with quick load.

Not the same thing. Not sure why you wouldn't want the option to actually pause/resume if the HW was capable of it, and PS5 will be more capable than XSX.

 

[3liteDragon]

So it looks like the big Game Pass announcement at Gamescom from Xbox will be their partnership with EA Play.

(Timestamped)




Jeff Grubb also liked Rand Al Thor's tweet too btw.

 

[BGs]

Speculation time: It would be interesting if there is a 175GB hidden partition for system reserved files and OS, and a separate 825GB partition for installs

What exactly did Cerny say?

I am not affirming anything. I'm just saying that people can speculate down and up too.

But I insist, I am not affirming anything.

 

[bitbydeath]

Not the same thing. Not sure why you wouldn't want the option to actually pause/resume if the HW was capable of it, and PS5 will be more capable than XSX.

Given the instant load + autosave I doubt you'll notice it's missing.

 

[BlueXImpulse]

175GB OS sounds like complete horseshit.

 

[mejin]

So it looks like the big Game Pass announcement at Gamescom from Xbox will be their partnership with EA Play.

(Timestamped)




Jeff Grubb also liked Rand Al Thor's tweet too btw.

meh, but expected.

 

[SSfox]

It's Cerny Birthday, happy BD to the best console designer of all time imo

 

[CrysisFreak]

175GB OS sounds like complete horseshit.

It's possible if big chunks are reserved for some multigame quick resume feature and also another chunk for 4K recording.
Those things need to be stored.

 

[Mr Moose]

How much space does the current PS4 OS take up?

My PS4 says 856 available for games and stuff, would leave 75GB for OS and junk I guess? (I am on the beta and I think it has the normal and beta OS installed so you can revert back) 1TB drive is 931GB if the OS reads the same as Windows.

 

[saintjules]

So more like half a gig rather than 1 TB, yikes!

I quickly learned that Marlon isn't reliable. So grain of salt there.

 

[Games Dean]

So a trailer on Wednesday and then a deep dive into either single player or multiplayer at ONL would be my guess. It's cross gen so I doubt it'll look much better than MW but should at least be running on a PS5.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Given the instant load + autosave I doubt you'll notice it's missing.

I dunno; are all companies going to use the features Sony offers to let you launch directly into your last auto-save? If so yeah I probably wouldn't notice.. I pause my current consoles a lot and leave games running but TBH it's largely due to the shit load times.. I probably would be fine it I could avoid menus and easily launch into my last autosave.

But it's still a nice to have considering how many console games don't have true save anytime/anywhere features. Also a bit of a no brainer with that crazy IO, as long as it's configurable / game installs take precedence.

 

[yewles1]

It's Cerny Birthday, happy BD to the best console designer of all time imo

And Hideo Kojima's as well.