Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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saintjules said:
Some interesting thoughts in this thread

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Honestly I think it would be worse for Microsoft to not undercut Sony then the other way around. But you're right whichever one announces the high price first is going to get flamed for it. Luckily Sony has two different models so we can expect two different price points for their system. I know Microsoft has the Lockhart but im not even sure if it will release this year due to the lack of any announcement this late in the year.
 
Darklor01 said:
Just let Nikana give the lust when it's ready. No need to go crazy on them. When it's ready, let's keep an open mind and read it. I'd rather read it and try to give an unbiased take on it.
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he can take as much time as he wants, its no skin of my back.

As long as they are proper examples.
Apollo Helios said:
@Mod of War for the love of god, can you see how an actual ex-engineer working for Sony on Playstation easily takes down this Gavin guy and how he tries to spread FUD on this thread as well as other media? And how the people that are either reply banned from this thread, or outright banned from forum are actually stating the facts against this deranged individual albeit in a frank and confrontational manner but always being completely in the right? This need to be made right. Report functionality isn't used properly it seems if the entire context is avoided in handing the punishment.
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I have to agree with this, that guy is notorious for spreading fud, I understand that people might of gone slightly overboard perhaps in there tone or replies but that guy has one purpose and one only. To spread fud.

He is laughing at us, he has achieved his task.

Good honest users on this forum have paid for it in bans.

It doesn't seem fair. not to me at least.
 
StreetsofBeige said:
Team Blue trying to sway the board:

- PS5 more powerful than MS new system! Book it. A guy named Klee who used to work at Gamefan Magazine 20 years says "he knows guys"
- PS5 compatible with all previous gen consoles!
- Third party devs will never take advantage of higher spec systems when the units sold are low so skip Xbox One X..... (but if it's PS4 Pro or PS5 it's ok)!

And the best one of all, which started around 2014....

- Gamers! Don't support Xbox because Xbox One will be Microsoft's last system. So don't bother as there won't be another Xbox system to carry over BC compatible games!
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Remember when Xbox fans knee jerked a power king thread?
 
saintjules said:
Some interesting thoughts in this thread. The thing I wonder about though is that whenever you have to offer financial options, that's usually tied to a credit check and credit potentially being affected. I guess maybe Sony would make more of a point with the PS5 to push that option more with Merchants like Best Buy and Amazon? Though those are usually offered at default.

Bundling it into a Subscription that you use could be one option (and safer).

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Ugh.....WHATEVER. IDGAF! Announce the damn price and let me order the damn thing! I don't care if it's $700...I'll still be getting one. Sheesh! I don't understand the silence though because by now, who cares about the pricing and who undercuts who? LET MS undercut Sony if they announce first....they'd be undercutting AND have a hard time proving the value because of no exclusive games. Gamepass?? Fine, but you can play that on your current Xbox...that's no reason to buy the XSX. So at this point I don't see a need for the secrecy.
 
saintjules said:
Some interesting thoughts in this thread. The thing I wonder about though is that whenever you have to offer financial options, that's usually tied to a credit check and credit potentially being affected. I guess maybe Sony would make more of a point with the PS5 to push that option more with Merchants like Best Buy and Amazon? Though those are usually offered at default.

Bundling it into a Subscription that you use could be one option (and safer).

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Those consoles are sold out because at least one of them has been discontinued, I wouldn't be shocked if Sony stopped making the Pro as well, there is no need for it now.

Microsoft already had a sort of subscription plan but you won't get a Series X day one with that unless you've already been a part of that plan for a while and are upgrading from an older model console.

I don't see them copying the phone model really, as far as I know that's the service provider that's doing the financing not Samsung or Apple unless you buy something from them directly.
 
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Bladed Thesis said:
So you were there calling out Bo when his own posts and fud on XSX 3D audio chip was exposed as fud?

:sure:

See this is part of it. Some people in this thread like to take this "we need to call this out" stance to sound all noble but when one certain side does the fud spreading they go very quiet. Almost like they don't mean what they say...
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What was my fud? Go quote it. When you finish, apologize.
 
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Nikana said:
And every Game Pass thread is filled with FUD like these wonderful additions.







And then you have closed threads like this one
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Like I said, the extremism goes both ways. Anything positive the negativity feeds the trolls.
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You literally quoted my post from another thread to make your point. Yeesh.
 
There is never ending fud in here regarding Xbox, I don't see how anyone could refute that.

To the list makers, don't forget to include that XSX is GCN based (that little nugget was still alive and well at the time AMD put up the fake XSX render - not sure what event that was). 3d audio sucking up a convenient 20% of the GPU performance was another good one. That poor XSX SSD that apparently is worse in performance than a standard sata SSD, that one is also a target.
 
kyliethicc said:
Honestly if the PS5 is launching at $500 or $600, they'd be better off just focusing on a PS5 slim in 2023 at $100 less, then just offer a 1.65 TB option for an extra $100.

I'm not sure I want developers to have to make games for a Pro SKU again, because games still have to be built for the baseline. There will never be PS5 Pro exclusives that truly use its power to the max. Just focus on 1 system for 6 or 7 years and then launch PS6.

PS5 can already output 8K and will be running some games at 4K 60 Hz. Some might even offer 120 Hz options. Thats enough for me.

Just make it smaller, more power efficient, and get the price lower. If people want to spend more, give them an option for 2x internal storage.
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No, a pro is needed as games will be demanding and run like shit on base consoles. I cannot imagine playing on base PS4 now. Most of the games play at a cinematice 24 fps. PS4 pro on the other hand maintains locked 30 fps and much higher resolution.

We also need a reason to buy 8k tvs 😂
 
Bladed Thesis said:
Then I commend you for the impartiality. The forum needs more posters like you. Still, I think when a prominent thread participant that everybody likes (Bo is cool, I like Bo too) gets shown to be spreading fud, other prominent speculation thread participants should step up to the conversation and call them out on it.
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No, I'm not cool, go quote my post that I say xbox has no audio chip or apologize.
 
Killer Sakoman said:
No, a pro is needed as games will be demanding and run like shit on base consoles. I cannot imagine playing on base PS4 now. Most of the games play at a cinematice 24 fps. PS4 pro on the other hand maintains locked 30 fps and much higher resolution.

We also need a reason to buy 8k tvs 😂
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Thats sometimes true, but Horizon Zero Dawn runs at a perfect smooth locked 30 Hz on a base PS4 and is beautiful.

So its not the hardware, its the developers. PS5 will have plenty of power to deliver smooth frame rates and beautiful graphics. Its up the devs to not fuck it up.
 
saintjules said:
Some interesting thoughts in this thread. The thing I wonder about though is that whenever you have to offer financial options, that's usually tied to a credit check and credit potentially being affected. I guess maybe Sony would make more of a point with the PS5 to push that option more with Merchants like Best Buy and Amazon? Though those are usually offered at default.

Bundling it into a Subscription that you use could be one option (and safer).

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Even the Banco do Brasil (a sort of private-public bank from Brazil) opened a line to finance consoles up to R$11000 (US$1996).
 
DaGwaphics said:
There is never ending fud in here regarding Xbox, I don't see how anyone could refute that.

To the list makers, don't forget to include that XSX is GCN based (that little nugget was still alive and well at the time AMD put up the fake XSX render - not sure what event that was). 3d audio sucking up a convenient 20% of the GPU performance was another good one. That poor XSX SSD that apparently is worse in performance than a standard sata SSD, that one is also a target.
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But these are PS5 FUD lol
Xbox is as always RDNA 2 while PS5 was spread to be GCN and after RDNA.
Audio what?
The SSD is indeed slower than high end PC parts and obvious PS5's SSD.

You guys are tying to make up FUD to feel better?

I stopped to post in GAF due the amount of FUD about PS5 created here and that not even taking the Reddit, Twitter and others places FUD.
 
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SSfox said:
I almost feel bad for him to have almost apologize that he prefers PS consoles (mostly because of exclusives as he says), i imagine the poor guy got harasse by Xbox fanboyz all day on twitter.

Everyone have the right to like why they want to like. The Valve guy said he was more excited about Xbox and i didn't seen any PS fan being mad at this, people need to chill.
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You realize anything you say against XBOX is because you hate XBOX or MS.....You are just a blathering fanboy.


You speak against Phil's PR for seven years without delivery

You speak about MAU taking over sales numbers because sales are not a high point for MS, people get upset

You speak of the fact that having developers still cater to old gen hardware will deteriorate ambition for next gen games, when next gen hardware should cater to next gen games, people said you're just hating XBOX because they will have more games ready across many devices, 4000 games through BC, it's the pro-consumer way.

You speak about the strengths of PS5 and go into detail about the custom architecture, people become upset because there's no enthusiasm in their circles to do the same. So they settle with, why don't you praise XBOX too? Yet you are the XBOX fan, go dissect all the custom architecture you think exists there instead of harassing people who are excited for PS5.


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Let's be honest, some of these guys genuinely thought PS guys would get upset because MS has 2TF more. Instead, PS guys looked at what Cerny said and dissected it and were sold on his vision for a complete console with a revolution in every aspect of the engineered product. People appreciate that much more effort and thought went into the PS5 console........


There is no need to go into FUD like; XBOX is a 10 TF console OC'd, or XBOX devs are struggling with development, or XBOX dev kits are loud and overheating, or that Pong can't run at 120fps on XBOX. No PS fan is immature enough to fabricate such nonsense. Even in instances when we knew that certain decisions XBOX was taking would bite them in the ass, we just stated it and what do you know....Times when people overhyped events and games which felt flat on their face.

It was a good thing we spoke about last gen holding next gen back, the proof is in the pudding with XBOX's best franchise, so everyone is now eating crow, but it could have been avoided if persons would take the wool off their eyes and appreciate sound reason and logic that was argued months and years ago when we heard MS's strategy. Imagine if we all just embraced Halo Infinite as the best we had ever seen for next gen and lie about it, how would that game look and play at launch?......We are so quick to take a persecution angle for any retort, any criticism about XBOX, but usually the people arguing against XBOX are doing more for XBOX than those arguing for...
 
saintjules said:
Some interesting thoughts in this thread. The thing I wonder about though is that whenever you have to offer financial options, that's usually tied to a credit check and credit potentially being affected. I guess maybe Sony would make more of a point with the PS5 to push that option more with Merchants like Best Buy and Amazon? Though those are usually offered at default.

Bundling it into a Subscription that you use could be one option (and safer).

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I disagree with this reasoning for two main reasons.

1, This gen they have made far more money digitally and from MTX it isn't funny. Multiple billions over and above profit on games.
2, They have been able to keep the official RRP of the HW within £$€100 of launch all gen even through cost reduced/slim models. Sony have probably been making a nice little profit per console the last 3 years at least.

IMO they don't also need to be breaking even or making a profit on the upcoming HW from the start. I would think it is in their interests to get has many to buy a console as fast as possible so they can get them buying the games though more so Sony in this respect. A lower price point will do that.

Like I've previously said, if I feel these consoles are too much then I'll just wait it out and see how the sales go. If they're slow then the price drops will soon come in this economy.
 
B Bladed Thesis

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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

Well, it's obvious that The Tempset 3D is way, way stronger than AMD's TrueAudio. I'm not saying XSX will use 20% for audio, it'll actually use half-baked, last gen audio tech. So yest, it'll be around 1% at best. But if you wanna match what PS5 is going to produce, hundreds of detailed audio...
www.neogaf.com www.neogaf.com

When you finish reading, I wanna read "sorry". What clown did tell you that I said xbox has no chip?
 
ToadMan said:
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Internet was created for shit like this!

Gamerguy84 said:
Imagine grabbing the attention of a an actual PS5 engineer. One of the men who knows the machine inside out, lmao.
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Cant believe Geordie got a ban when ive seen GWS and others talking shit and getting personal with insults.
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Wanna post this exchange every few pages just to remind people and never let them to forget!
HeisenbergFX4 said:
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Wanna post this tweet every few pages just to remind people and never let them to forget!

Lysandros said:
Asynchronous compute isn't 'all' about the number of ACE's, and more is not always better. :) PS4 had also a hardware feature called 'Volatile Bit' for example which is quite similar to PS5 cache scrubbers. I think cache scrubber is a more advanced form of the Volatile Bit.
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Snowdonhoffen said:
I think he does understand it in some way, it's just he and others just want to blindly follow a certain narrative to excuse the bad decisions their favourite brand makes. Just look at this, how their opinions shifted when they can no longer make excuses:

Before Halo Infinite




After Halo Infinite
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Wanna post these tweets every few pages just to remind people and never let them to forget!
 
Bo_Hazem said:
Xbox Series X Confirmed to Have Dedicated Audio Chip; Sound Developers "Won't Have to Fight Programmers and Artists for Memory and CPU Power."

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Xbox Series X Confirmed to Have Dedicated Audio Chip; Sound Developers "Won't Have to Fight Programmers and Artists for Memory and CPU Power.”

According to Ninja Theory senior sound designer Daniele Galante, the Xbox Series X will have a dedicated audio chip that will help sound designers considerably
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Mar 26, 2020
 
kyliethicc said:
Thats sometimes true, but Horizon Zero Dawn runs at a perfect smooth locked 30 Hz on a base PS4 and is beautiful.

So its not the hardware, its the developers. PS5 will have plenty of power to deliver smooth frame rates and beautiful graphics. Its up the devs to not fuck it up.
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Also thank's to next-gen optimisation capabilities such as full programmable graphics pipeline through PS5's Geometry Engine, Variable Rate Shading and more dedicated hardware accelerators i.e Tempest Engine. We should get much more stable and consistent gameplay experiences.
 
Thedtrain said:
Im positive you'll receive your apology any moment now
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I won't even dream of that, a clown claimed the same and even quoted me in another thread previously saying the same lie. I ended up schooling him. I don't like schooling people in my spare time, I do it for money ffs.
 
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kyliethicc said:
Thats sometimes true, but Horizon Zero Dawn runs at a perfect smooth locked 30 Hz on a base PS4 and is beautiful.

So its not the hardware, its the developers. PS5 will have plenty of power to deliver smooth frame rates and beautiful graphics. Its up the devs to not fuck it up.
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Yeah, but I cannot put a gun on each developer's head and ask him to run the game smooth on my base console. I also don't wanna pay $1500+ on new PC gpu in order to play 3rd party games at smooth fps.

The base consoles are ugly and PS5 won't hold very well in 2023 when 3rd parties push the tech with Sub 1440p and poor texture filtering and sub 30 fps.
 
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