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[Explosive Zombie]

I mean, I want the OS to run smoother on PS5 than it does on PS4 so I'm fine with it.

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

sony's cock teasing was already bad, but its been over 2 months since their last reveal and they have been dead silent. they have shown little to no gameplay for their big AAA titles. they have failed at showing off the consoles features, what next gen gameplay is and what the launch games are going to look and play like. A fucking chinese studio making their first ever game with 40 devs was able to make a gameplay demo far more impressive than anything sony's 2000 first developers could.

either they are being fucking lazy or they are just plain clueless, and have no idea how to advertise video games.

Or theyre trying to go last and get the last buzz and MS is doing the same

 

[Games Dean]

Birdie is never silent just can't share 95% of the stuff we talk about.

Starting to go through texts from the last several days have 427 of them to read and reply to a big part of them and will read the gaming ones last so they are fresh.

I'll bring the s'mores, sircaw can be dinne- I mean can supply the music. Sounds like we have another campfire coming.


P.S. umm sircaw ignore that mistake above

 

[Dabaus]

My PS4 says 856 available for games and stuff, would leave 75GB for OS and junk I guess? (I am on the beta and I think it has the normal and beta OS installed so you can revert back) 1TB drive is 931GB if the OS reads the same as Windows.

Hmm more than i wouldve thought. What features could they add that would make the OS balloon to the size of 125 gigs?

 

[DarkMage619]

Samsung is Korean (plus they have good internet). It's weird they aren't trying it in Japan too though, they love mobile gaming.

It is very unlikely Japanese gamers will play with anything that isn't Sony or Nintendo. Like many countries they aren't going to rely on a foreign company to provide something they believe can get better from a local company.

 

[Jaguar Victory]

I would assume that there would be a scratchpad of sorts reserved for the work both consoles are doing with texture streaming along with multi media capture and probably some embedded streaming technology. I'm fine with the OS reservations as long as we're getting good features for it. Storage can be upgraded later. I wonder how big those Series X expansion cartridges can get in theory.

 

[IntentionalPun]

USB 3.1 only allows for 10Gbit second transfer speeds. Any external drive, no matter what it is, will not be able to play games in the new gen consoles, assuming the Xbox has a similar capped system to the PS5 that requires a 7GB/s drive installed.

As for the process easy

1. Plugin drive. If external, no games will be played (system knows it's a USB connection). If internal, move to step 2
2. system checks driver compatibility. If drive is compatible
   1. System assumes its compliant to it's certification program
   2. Places a quick load test to verify speed compliance
3. If drive is incompatible
   1. System throws a message saying drive is incompatible.
   2. It either refuses to run it, or runs it but prevents the user from launching games

assuming the strategies above, this should take a couple of seconds.

Yeah I was thinking a format utility could do a speed test, but I wonder if they'll even bother. Same with the "look up from a compatibility list" deal. I bet it will be more of a "use at your own risk, we supply the format utility" kind of deal but I dunno.

Although funny in re-reading my post I made the same mistake of using "external" when I meant "third party" (and then corrected someone doing the same lol).. as I'm aware that PS5 is blocking play via USB.

 

[Doncabesa]

Doncabesa , hi sleepdoctor, we've missed your laughing posts.

I'm not someone's alt, sorry.

 

[Lysandros]

If true just 2 gb of ram reservation would be pretty good for Ps5.

 

[SportsFan581]

So more like half a gig rather than 1 TB, yikes!

Damn, only 512MB. PS5, the home of pong and only pong.

 

[MasterCornholio]

I'm not someone's alt, sorry.

Are you in that discord?

 

[Three Jackdaws]

I'm not buying into the 125 GB rumour. Sounds like horshit. The source Marlon is also very unreliable, he's been wrong many times before.

 

[SportsFan581]

meh, but expected.

If they want to drive GamePass above all else, they should put their money into the biggest 3rd party games. Not money-hatting them, just putting them on GP day one. They only have to buyout themselves then, that would be a bigger sales pitch than year old EA games. Though, I'm not saying I won't play a few of the sports titles if they get them on there.

 

[3liteDragon]

And Hideo Kojima's as well.

Two legends.

 

[By-mission]

The math is unreliable. Your Wiki page says: 27 FLOPS por pipeline, por ciclo, but my Wiki page says: 16 floating-point operations per pipeline, per cycle. There's also a discrepancy between the two pages regarding clock frequency for the vertex shaders (550 mhz on yours vs. 500 mhz on mine) and the total FLOPS count (246.4 GLOPS on yours vs. 251.2 GLFOPS on mine).

Something else I've noticed is if you use the bullet-point of 16 floating-point operations per pipeline, per cycle at 500 mhz to calculate pixel shader performance, you arrive at 192 GLOPS (16 x 24 x 500 = 192000 / 1000 = 192). That's exactly where Nvidia pegged RSX on the Tegra K1 slide. The 192 GLOPS figure doesn't include vertex shader performance which makes sense because some (most?) of the vertex processing was done on SPUs...

I get that Nvidia needed to promote Tegra but if the RSX was 246.4 GFLOPS that would put it slightly above XB360's Xenos (240 GFLOPS); and that can't be the case because developers have often spoken poorly of RSX as being a weak GPU that needed CELL to address it deficiencies...

As there are no official figures from Sony, I can only keep the other sources ... Nvidia would never shoot up with RSX teraflops, (they would curse their own mother for selling the tegra k1), but I also disagree with the wiki so I'm going to keep the techpowerup numbers ...

NVIDIA Playstation 3 GPU 90nm Specs

NVIDIA RSX-90nm, 500 MHz, 24 Pixel Shaders, 8 Vertex Shaders, 24 TMUs, 8 ROPs, 256 MB GDDR3, 700 MHz, 128 bit

www.techpowerup.com

.

 

[Lunatic_Gamer]

PlayStation led game industry TV ad impressions again, but Nintendo nips at its heels

PlayStation had the most TV ad impressions again, with 354.8 million generated by two spots that ran over 1,250 times — though nearly all of those airings and impressions came from "A Storm is Coming," promoting Ghost of Tsushima(the rest came from MLB: The Show 20). ESPN, AMC, and FX were the top three networks for PlayStation ads, accounting for over 56% of all impressions. Top programming included Major League Baseball, SportsCenter, and Family Guy. Clearly, PlayStation jumped on live baseball's return to TV and a renewed interest in sports-related programming.

PlayStation led game industry TV ad impressions again, but Nintendo nips at its heels

From mid-July to mid-August, the game industry showed a small uptick in TV ad impressions (3.8%) compared to the previous 30-day period.

venturebeat.com

 

[SportsFan581]

GameFly is still a thing, wow, surprised.

 

[Voidout]

I appreciate that but I too am tired of this "war of attrition" and "bleed them out" mentality that Sony is currently engaged in.

Since we are a speculation thread I will do some speculating.

I know Xbox is sitting on one more big game thats probably pretty far out I dont know the timing of when they are going to reveal it.

They have some bigger Gamepass news I think is coming probably this week maybe with Keighlys show Thursday.

Sony sitting on major 3rd party money hatting news that could very well be the dagger.

Plus waiting on the obvious new God of War on PS5 trailer that everyone knows is coming just when?

Getting the PS5 teardown video that I personally think is this week but in no way is that confirmed thats just my gut feeling.

Still have some sort of State of Play maybe? type of "event" for PS5 showing UI and how fast the SSD truly is which I think is early Sept.

Regardless this next week or two is going to be filled with bits and pieces of news.

Thanks for the news drops in all this.

I was wondering if you think playstation has other first party games to announce aside from God of war 2? I was just thinking thAT the new san Diego studio, Guerrilla, or Naughty Dog (factions MP) game could show up.

 

[sircaw]

lol. But now that you've watched one....gotta watch them all! It IS definitely teenage romance drama but I dunno...it can be somewhat entertaining if you need something to watch. It's the only one of Stephanie Meyers stories to make even a halfway good movie.

all i know is there was a scene where she jumped on his back and he piggybacked her up the mountain. I almost died of laughter, i thought it was a serious movie.

There was also a female vampire in it with short hair, she was damn cute.

sigh part two it is, Thanks

 

[sircaw]

You are one sick dude....

Wtf, that's romantic to some of us.

 

[bitbydeath]

I dunno; are all companies going to use the features Sony offers to let you launch directly into your last auto-save? If so yeah I probably wouldn't notice.. I pause my current consoles a lot and leave games running but TBH it's largely due to the shit load times.. I probably would be fine it I could avoid menus and easily launch into my last autosave.

But it's still a nice to have considering how many console games don't have true save anytime/anywhere features. Also a bit of a no brainer with that crazy IO, as long as it's configurable / game installs take precedence.

Let's talk load times:

It's my understanding that load times / screens is largely the process of games moving from disk to memory.

(When you die in a game it only removes and replaces a small amount of what's in RAM which is why it loads way faster compared to first jumping into a game.)

It is known that PS5 can fill it's entire RAM in two seconds or 2GB every 0.25 seconds.

The PlayStation 5 SSD comes in an odd capacity and can fill 16 GB of RAM in just two seconds

One of the defining features of the PlayStation 5 and one that Mark Cerny stressed a lot upon is the console's storage. Sony's custom flash controller has performance equivalent to that of nine Zen 2 cores and can deliver up to 5.5 GB/s of raw and up to 9 GB/s of compressed throughput. The...

www.notebookcheck.net

Not all games fill the RAM at loading hence why we see differences in load times dependant on the game so many won't need the full two seconds.

And those that do fill it today may not even need to load so much upfront in future since the data can now be switched out much quicker than before.

Two second load times as a maximum could be improved with quick resume but seeing a black screen / title screen appear and disappear would easily fill that time.

 

[Dodkrake]

What exactly did Cerny say?

I am not affirming anything. I'm just saying that people can speculate down and up too.

But I insist, I am not affirming anything.

Just speculating mate, I don't believe this is going to be the case nor I think you said something special someone also pointed the same coincidence.

 

[sircaw]

I'll bring the s'mores, sircaw can be dinne- I mean can supply the music. Sounds like we have another campfire coming.


P.S. umm sircaw ignore that mistake above

Most of the day i walk around confused as it is, don't make it worse.

 

[sircaw]

I'm not someone's alt, sorry.

I got my eye on you now.

 

[sircaw]

So it looks like the big Game Pass announcement at Gamescom from Xbox will be their partnership with EA Play.

(Timestamped)




Jeff Grubb also liked Rand Al Thor's tweet too btw.

EA, one of my most favorite companies of all time. SPIT

sometimes i wonder, are Microsoft purposely going out of their way to make me dislike them or something.

 

[Dave_at_Home]

Asynchronous Compute was born of a collaboration between AMD and Sony for PS4 and made its way into the PC space (where it was initially dismissed as being an AMD bandaid for their poor performance despite big TF numbers).
On GCN architecture ACEs (Asynchronous Compute Engines) were responsible for scheduling work that still runs on the CUs in the downtime they have while waiting during the traditional rendering pipelines.
It's a means of increasing CU occupancy, trying to get closer to that maximum theoretical TF figure that no GPU ever gets near.

RDNA and RDNA2 are different architectures to GCN and with that may come differences in how standard and asynchronous work is scheduled to run on the CUs.

Nanite relies heavily on Asynchronous Compute for its software rasterising of triangles. With the "vast majority" of them being drawn there, implying a nearly insignificant amount is done on PS5 using Primitive Shaders.

Do we know if RDNA2 still has what AMD calls Asynchronous Compute Engines?

RDNA2 is a combination of overall architecture and whatever current AMD features are available. There is no "full" or "canon" RDNA2 feature-set. The feature-set is dependent on application and platform. There will be features available on the upcoming discrete GPUs not available on the console implementations and vice-versa. There will be customisations made for console that may be further developed and made applicable for the next generation of discrete GPUs.

PS5 is RDNA2 every day of the week, no matter what planet is in retrograde. Its feature-set will be customised to itself and include things that will be found in discrete desktop RDNA2 GPUs as well as things that will be missing from those. It is not RDNA2. Not RDNA1.5. Not RDNA3. It is customised RDNA2 and if some rumours are to be believed Sony and AMD have again collaborated on something that be a part of the "full" "canon" feature-set of discrete RDNA3 GPUs.

Sony's relationship with AMD isn't adding a GPU to a cart and ticking some boxes of what they want on it. You only need to look at this history of Async Compute on GPUs to see that it is a technical partnership and collaboration, not a hands-off supplier-customer relationship.

I'm placing my bet that it's the geometry engine that has those sweet, sweet customizations. YEE HAWW!

 

[Three Jackdaws]

I was just watching JackFrags playthrough of God of War, he made some interesting comments at the end of the game.

there we go! God of War 5? God of War 2?, it's gonna be sick, Playstation 5, look how good the graphics are in this game and then imagine that massive leap in technology, SSD, GPU, CPU power, how good is it gonna be in terms of the gameplay, the graphics, the environment, wow just thinking about it man

He did state he didn't have a chance to play the game on launch and that's why he did it now, I could tell he genuinely enjoyed it but the timing seem's suspicious, right before the launch of the PS5 and speculation rampant that we might see the God of War sequel soon. Off topic but I recommend you check out he's channel especially if your a Warzone fan, he's one of the best players I've seen.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Let's talk load times:

*snip*

Two second load times as a maximum could be improved with quick resume but seeing a black screen / title screen appear and disappear would easily fill that time.

Sure; the I/O allows all kinds of crazy fast loading scenarios (including the potential to "beat" the loading time of a pause/resume feature).. I still don't see how an actual pause/resume like feature would actually take away from that and it would be that much better with the faster I/O than what is possible on XSX.

 

[user1337]

Yeah, I'm not overly thrilled with the micromanagement, but I'll just hook up like a 4TB drive and pull things to and from it when needed.

And I'll probably just avoid COD for the whole generation.

Should also say that I hope Sony really improves their PSN download speeds. I have a 200meg connection and would make it fairly easy to download games if PSN makes full use of faster connections. Specially if the information about downloading only single player or only multiplayer works as I think it does.

 

[splattered]

EA, one of my most favorite companies of all time. SPIT

sometimes i wonder, are Microsoft purposely going out of their way to make me dislike them or something.

Their new sports titles day and date on Gamepass in partnership with EA could be a huge deal i guess.

Otherwise yeah i'm not a huge fan of EA either.

 

[Mr Moose]

Ghost of Tsushima sold 1.9m digital units in July

Ghost of Tsushima hit a number of milestones in its launch month: it sold 2.4 million copies in three days, was the bes…

www.gamesindustry.biz

GoT 1.9M digital in July.

 

[kyliethicc]

These new consoles will have enough space for half a COD update.

Photoshopped PS5, made up info. Nothing here.

 

[kyliethicc]

Yeah just checked. The cheapest NVME's for PC I've seen are >$200< and they don't come close to the series X, so PS5 tier SSD's definitely won't be around soon. Or cheap

Series X has a 2.4 GB/s SSD. Plenty of M.2 SSDs on the market are faster. Here's one for example.

Samsung 970 PRO | Consumer SSD | Specs & Features | Samsung Semiconductor Global

Samsung 970 PRO delivers PCIe Gen 3.0 x4, NVMe 1.3 interfaces, M.2 form factor and 512GB, 1TB capacities. Download 970 pro firmware, driver, and more.

www.samsung.com

 

[kyliethicc]

Here in Germany you can get m2 nvme SSDs with 3+GB/s quite cheap, around 230€ for 2TB.
Yes, it is slower that what Sony suggests and loading times will be higher, but the prices should be acceptable and the drives should be "fast enough" for a lot of games (PS4, Multiplatts, Early Gens).
I am also quite confident that Sony has a function to copy games from the buildt-in drive to the m2 SSD and back quite fast for games which really require the insane fast SSD

That solution should be more performant (and maybe even cheaper) then the external USB drive solution

If its a PS5 game, you will not be able to use a slower SSD or hard drive to install to and play from. All PS5 games will require the PS5 internal SSD speeds or an internal M.2 SSD that delivers the same performance. Sony has said this quite clearly.

 

[JonnyMP3]

I was just watching JackFrags playthrough of God of War, he made some interesting comments at the end of the game.



He did state he didn't have a chance to play the game on launch and that's why he did it now, I could tell he genuinely enjoyed it but the timing seem's suspicious, right before the launch of the PS5 and speculation rampant that we might see the God of War sequel soon. Off topic but I recommend you check out he's channel especially if your a Warzone fan, he's one of the best players I've seen.

Been watching Jack since the BF3 days when he used to do videos with Levelcap, Matimio and MrXfactor.
Still nice to watch him go back and play some BF3 and BF4 every so often.

 

[kyliethicc]

Not the same thing. Not sure why you wouldn't want the option to actually pause/resume if the HW was capable of it, and PS5 will be more capable than XSX.

I don't need or care about that feature. It would require more storage space be reserved by the OS. No thanks.

I will never need to quickly swap between 3 games in a few seconds. Useless. I play 1 game then stop, play another.

If PS5 games can boot in 2 seconds directly into gameplay from the OS (as they have said it can) then thats all I need.

Its not a smartphone.

 

[kyliethicc]

I would be really surprised if if that would not work.
Yes, you would need the 7GB/s to make sure that each and every PS5 game will run flawless from it. But if you accept some minor problems here and there I guess it should be "good enough" for many cases and especially in the beginning save tons of money

PS5 console will just reject any slower SSD you install. The OS will just say "not supported" and you will have wasted money.

 

[kyliethicc]

I dunno; are all companies going to use the features Sony offers to let you launch directly into your last auto-save? If so yeah I probably wouldn't notice.. I pause my current consoles a lot and leave games running but TBH it's largely due to the shit load times.. I probably would be fine it I could avoid menus and easily launch into my last autosave.

But it's still a nice to have considering how many console games don't have true save anytime/anywhere features. Also a bit of a no brainer with that crazy IO, as long as it's configurable / game installs take precedence.

You currently can leave 1 game running on PS4, sleep the system, and then resume that 1 game when waking. PS4 has suspend when entering sleep. Thats all anyone needs.

 

[XO_o]

 

[kyliethicc]

PS4 500 GB has ~ 410 free space to use. 82%.
PS4 Pro 1 TB has ~ 870 free space to use. 87%.
PS5 825 GB at around ~ 85% after OS would be 700 GB of free space to use.

Xbox One 500 GB has ~ 365 GB of free space. 73%.
Xbox One X 1 TB has ~ 780 GB of free space. 78%.
So Series X will also need more space reserved for Quick Resume. ~ 75% or 750 GB of free space.

So Series X will likely have around 50 GB more of useable space than PS5.

 

[jimbojim]

These new consoles will have enough space for half a COD update.

Why he would ask devs if he "knows" that OS in PS5 is 175 GB on disk??? This smells like the same crap made by Jeff Grubb and his hypothetically question on possible troublesome PS5 games development hoping that some devs will contact him

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

 

[bitbydeath]

Xbox Series S be like.

 

[kyliethicc]

Plus waiting on the obvious new God of War on PS5 trailer that everyone knows is coming just when?

 

[kyliethicc]

If Ryan is starting the PR spin switch already, Phil and Aaron must have told him they're dropping Xbox One version of Halo. Sent him out to start spinning, warm the crowd up.

 

[3liteDragon]

Xbox Series S be like.

Well actually the LCD are PC's with HDD's. So Series S (which is architecturally the same as Series X) won't really have an effect.

 

[3liteDragon]

The question though, is how SOON?

 

[Jose92]

 

[Dave_at_Home]

Something that just crossed my mind. Do we have any information on the WiFi capabilities of either console? Would be nice for downloads to not take PS4 wait times.

 

[Ramz87]

So is the Silent hill reboot/remake real or not? Or was it all just a big wind up by that Gollum guy.