Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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X-Fighter said:
I don't think Microsoft really cares at the moment. I believe they are waiting on price and Lockhart to bring momentum back to them.
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100% agree that price and Lockhart are their best bets for making major inroads.
Trying to get people who are invested in friends and library with PS4 over to Xbox via XSX is an idiot's dream.

Getting PS4->PS5 players also interested in Xbox via Series S, GamePass and some exclusives is far more realistic.


A distant chainlink fence being slightly sharper or more stable on a 400% DigitalFoundry zoom in doesn't quite say "abandon your PS4 library and friends" as some fanatics on Twitter seem to think.

A next-gen Xbox game with the impact Halo had in its day coming to a ~$260 Series S for a tiny GamePass price would absolutely get attention, and get people also investing in Xbox ecosystem, and set them up for next time around, too.

It's delusional to think Xbox can genuinely compete in sales versus PS5 with XSX alone. It's realistic and smart to think Xbox has a decent chance of being sat next to many more PS5 than XO sat next to PS4.
That would be a huge win for Xbox and for gamers in general.
 
SSfox said:


Remember those "Sony silence is alarming, MS marketing is awesome"

Now when the facts catch up it's:



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MS were bushing all buttons at the same time while Sony just pushed up dpad and wait to see what happens then hit in the right moment.
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I knew that would happen eventually since the beginning.

It all started with the controller reveal. Enough to draw all the attention back to PlayStation wich is the greatest Brand in gaming history and thats what fanboys need to accept it once and for all.

No matter How much money MS owns, PlayStation history and legacy is on the minds of everyone, gamers or not.
 
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DrDamn said:
I'm starting to think it will be:

1. XSX delay until 2021
2. PS5 price and date

That's what Sony are waiting for. At this point I think MS are too far behind in terms of development environment and getting stuff running on XSX. This means even if they can launch this year the software won't be favourable in comparisons (*). If they take the time then they can plan a better launch and put together some stuff which shows off what their box is really capable of. You only get one launch, and messing it up by pushing it out the door when the key features you've worked so hard to produce can't be demonstrated because it simply isn't ready yet would be a bad decision.

(*) All things being equal I expect XSX to be able to show an advantage of some sort in multi-platform titles. It might just be a hard to spot res-bump or slightly more stable framerates, but the hardware difference should allow for something. Sony seem to have delivered a very efficient and clever design, but MS haven't just chucked in the fastest GPU they could manage and called it a day there is some good design in there too - they are mostly just well behind schedule on the environment side.
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I cant see XsX being delayed. The console has been shown off for months now it seems the hardware is ready to go. So they'll launch early Nov but with one of the worst launch line-ups, unless they show something else.

Series S? I think that's 2021. 2 months from release, no-one has seen it, and why split sales with a cheaper, razer thin margin budget console when you can make all those sales Series X sales instead, as they'll be supply constrained regwrdless.

Noone has given me a valid reason why it aint been unveiled yet. As everyone and their hamster knows it's real, and Series X was unveiled in 2019 for chrissake?
 
BadBreathOfTheWild said:
100% agree that price and Lockhart are their best bets for making major inroads.
Trying to get people who are invested in friends and library with PS4 over to Xbox via XSX is an idiot's dream.

Getting PS4->PS5 players also interested in Xbox via Series S, GamePass and some exclusives is far more realistic.


A distant chainlink fence being slightly sharper or more stable on a 400% DigitalFoundry zoom in doesn't quite say "abandon your PS4 library and friends" as some fanatics on Twitter seem to think.

A next-gen Xbox game with the impact Halo had in its day coming to a ~$260 Series S for a tiny GamePass price would absolutely get attention, and get people also investing in Xbox ecosystem, and set them up for next time around, too.

It's delusional to think Xbox can genuinely compete in sales versus PS5 with XSX alone. It's realistic and smart to think Xbox has a decent chance of being sat next to many more PS5 than XO sat next to PS4.
That would be a huge win for Xbox and for gamers in general.
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Yeah indeed. Xbox Series X is purely for the Xbox fans that really want the best experience, and don't want to compromise with Lockhart.

Since Lockhart and Game Pass is so cheap, it'll be a much easier sell gamers that want to try one of the new Xbox games that was reviewed well. Even more so since it might actually be holiday 2021 before we have an actual new exclusive worth playing for Xbox, Lockhart will already have become even cheaper.
 
TheAssist said:
Also Devs would never say "it didnt reach xx teraflop number". Thats not how they calculate that.
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This right here. There isn't a real time TF meter in the profiler tools lol, that wouldn't be a remotely usable nor reliable metric. It's things like power usage, clock speed, memory transfers, cpu/gpu occupancy on a ms by ms timescale, basically work done per frame to see where bottlenecks are and at what points of a frame each piece of hardware is taxed, etc.
 
TimFL said:
No it doesn't mean any Sony money. It's the same offer on both consoles.

MS prohibits publishers from charging extra for next gen upgrades, Sony doesn't (nor does it enforce any upgrade policy). But people see what people want to see, in the end it's both the same deal on the paper with both offering cross-gen bundles.
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I thought you could pay to upgrade the digital version on both consoles?
 
X-Fighter said:
Yeah indeed. Xbox Series X is purely for the Xbox fans that really want the best experience, and don't want to compromise with Lockhart.

Since Lockhart and Game Pass is so cheap, it'll be a much easier sell gamers that want to try one of the new Xbox games that was reviewed well. Even more so since it might actually be holiday 2021 before we have an actual new exclusive worth playing for Xbox, Lockhart will already have become even cheaper.
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Disregard all the religious zealots on both sides and I think we could be set up for a multi-platform household for the average gamer a few years from now, and a cheap Series S is the absolute perfect device to do that.
A Series S sold is not just a foot in the door, but a potential stepping stone for a Series X later on. It is a games library built up and friends added. It's exactly the right thing for Microsoft to be doing. I personally love variety and hate blind tribalism.
Xbox just needs that game and a cheap Series S once the dust has settled on launch and it's joining my living room again, which is something Xbox One never did in the end.

It takes time to do what Microsoft needs to do and it's certainly not all over before launch. PS3 was dead to me at launch, but Sony got me in the end.
 
MasterCornholio said:
Sounds like the hardware is doing the work for developers on the PS5 where the I/O is concerned.
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Cerny said during road to PS5 all devs have to do is "indicate the data you'd like to read from original uncompressed file and where youd like to put it and the whole process of loading is done invisibly to you and at very high speed."

So PS5 literally has the hardware do the work, its ingenious.

Seems MS has to figure out how to use all this complicated system and code to even try and get anywhere near half as fast.

Sony smashed it in this department.

Edit to add that BadBreathOfTheWild BadBreathOfTheWild says in earlier post the io on xbox is not all that complicated, but its clearly not as simple as Sonys. So it all doesn't make much sense, but if not that then what is stopping then showing stuff on sx hardware.....
 
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Coulomb_Barrier said:
It's weird how come all the MS shills have come out in unison yesterday with very similar messages of discontent? Cynical part of me thinks this is marketing as they know MS will show something soon :messenger_sunglasses:
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My prediction is that once Microsoft shows games again in the XSX they will start trashing playstation again. Your going to see them toss Ratchet and Clank into the dumpster and make claims how it doesn't look next gen or that the XSX is a generation ahead. That kind of thing.
 
PS5 reportedly doubled manufacturing....
Aren't PS5, XSX, and XSS processors made on the same manufacturing line at TSMC?

Anyone think that Sony doubled the order to push back/limit XSS processors?

It would explain some things....
 
MasterCornholio said:
My prediction is that once Microsoft shows games again in the XSX they will start trashing playstation again. Your going to see them toss Ratchet and Clank into the dumpster and make claims how it doesn't look next gen or that the XSX is a generation ahead. That kind of thing.
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They're getting their second wind once 343i puts hairs on Craig's balls.
 
TimFL said:
No it doesn't mean any Sony money. It's the same offer on both consoles.

MS prohibits publishers from charging extra for next gen upgrades, Sony doesn't (nor does it enforce any upgrade policy). But people see what people want to see, in the end it's both the same deal on the paper with both offering cross-gen bundles.
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Sony is doing it right. They're offering free upgrades and paid upgrades and no upgrades, basically everything, it is up to the publishers to decide.
As it should be. Maximum freedom, consumers get the choice to tell greedy companies to fuck off. Even if they won't jfl.
 
Bligtgate said:
Series X dev kit as being sent out early January here in Montreal. Two months after covid happens... i know for fact that the console aint the problem but business is business and games studios need to prioritize and right now PS5 is the priority since development starter early 2019 for a super heroes games coming out in November on ps5. Btw full visual upgrade will be late for XSX and it as nothing to do with the hardware it will even look n feel a bit bitter but unfortunately dev kit was send late n from
What i heard its the same for bunch of studios
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I'd only fully buy this argument if we had seen some games on series x.

We havent seen any.

For the third party angle to work, well its only for third parties.

It does not explain why Microsoft exclusives are nowhere to be seen on sx hardware.

If we had seen a few exclusives running but no third parties this would hold more weight.

Why were the medium and halo for eg not shown running on hardware?

Halo especially, its their biggest franchise, no excuse for not having devkits in good time.

Especially as with gears 5 digital Foundry claimed it was up and running in about 2 weeks was it....

Seems to me something aint right.

Was there ever any conclusive answer to whether the split ram is a bottleneck?
 
TimFL said:
MS prohibits publishers from charging extra for next gen upgrades, Sony doesn't (nor does it enforce any upgrade policy). But people see what people want to see, in the end it's both the same deal on the paper with both offering cross-gen bundles.
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Digital upgrade available on both consoles ...

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Call of Duty Black Ops Cold War Editions FAQ

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Next-generation upgrade options for PlayStation 4 and Xbox One

Both digital console versions of Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War offer upgrades, within the same console family, from PlayStation 4 to PlayStation 5 and Xbox One to Xbox Series X that will support higher framerate, hardware-based ray-tracing, shorter load times, and more.

  • PlayStation 4 will have an option to upgrade to PlayStation 5 through the PlayStation Store.
  • Xbox One will have an option to upgrade to Xbox Series X through the Microsoft Store at launch.
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That's not going to be free on XSX when the cross-gen version is more expensive is it?
 
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Serviam said:
I'm buying both. People warring over their favourite plastic boxes, while fun to read, are far too attached. Just be happy to be alive and being able to play all awesome shit getting released.

Gamepass is awesome for me and my wife. Since we got our second kid we haven't had time to play all the games we want. Getting many of them "free", since I converted my 3 years gold to gpu for $1, is great value to us.

If Series S is cheap we will get one for the second tv.

PS5 will still be my main console due to all exclusives and probably the DualSense. Also can't wait for PSVR2!

On a side note, damn I hope PSVR1 games get better iq and frame rates on the PS5. And Sony... ffs release proper VR controllers already.
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That cool and all but doesn't change the fact most real gamers doesn't buy two consoles.

The number of gamers that brought both consoles are less than half of the XB1 user base for example.
 
Loving the new phase of rumors. It's a retro fit of PS5 development woes rumors, but applied to the XSX in a positive and hopeful way.
 
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Good god, could you imagine if MS launches first, but with nothing of note, and then Sony follows a week or two later with Spider-Man, Ratchet and Clank, Deathloop, Godfall, and Bugsnax? It would be a massacre!
 
MasterCornholio said:
My prediction is that once Microsoft shows games again in the XSX they will start trashing playstation again. Your going to see them toss Ratchet and Clank into the dumpster and make claims how it doesn't look next gen or that the XSX is a generation ahead. That kind of thing.
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I don't know about that if we take MBG and Crapgamer's example, they switched and are now rooting hard for Sony.They still as toxic as before though, so I'm not sure it would be a good thing.
 
bhunachicken said:
Good god, could you imagine if MS launches first, but with nothing of note, and then Sony follows a week or two later with Spider-Man, Ratchet and Clank, Deathloop, Godfall, and Bugsnax? It would be a massacre!
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FYI, Deathloop got delayed til 2021. Ratchet is probably 2021 too. But your point still stands.
 
TheAssist said:
Also Devs would never say "it didnt reach xx teraflop number". Thats not how they calculate that. If PS5 could occupy its CU's at such a high workload that it reaches constant 9,5 TF, that would be amazing effiency (93%).
SO either these "whispers" are complete horeshit or they are saying the PS5 is an efficiency beast.

I trend towards shit, because of the mentioned reasons.
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Absolutely right, I didn't even notice this part of the post when I pointed out the nonsense in two other replies.

This user (or his sources) can be safely called out as bullshit. It's written like some kind of childish fan-fiction that has no idea how hardware or games development actually works. Absolute clear as day bullshit.

It reminds me of being in high-school before the Dreamcast came out and all the made up nonsense we'd tell each other because it sounded cool or felt good. A way of venting our excitement. None of us had a fucking clue back then. Neither does this poster.
 
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Mahavastu said:
Wern't the silver tower ones the PS4 devkits?
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I thought they were the "low speed" dev kits that they talked about in that Wired interview.

"Then Cerny does the same thing on a next-gen devkit connected to a different TV. (The devkit, an early "low-speed" version, is concealed in a big silver tower, with no visible componentry.) What took 15 seconds now takes less than one: 0.8 seconds, to be exact."

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Don't expect it anytime in 2019, but the next PlayStation console is well on its way—and it's packing ray-tracing support and a loadtime-killing solid-state hard drive.
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BadBreathOfTheWild said:
100% agree that price and Lockhart are their best bets for making major inroads.
Trying to get people who are invested in friends and library with PS4 over to Xbox via XSX is an idiot's dream.

Getting PS4->PS5 players also interested in Xbox via Series S, GamePass and some exclusives is far more realistic.


A distant chainlink fence being slightly sharper or more stable on a 400% DigitalFoundry zoom in doesn't quite say "abandon your PS4 library and friends" as some fanatics on Twitter seem to think.

A next-gen Xbox game with the impact Halo had in its day coming to a ~$260 Series S for a tiny GamePass price would absolutely get attention, and get people also investing in Xbox ecosystem, and set them up for next time around, too.

It's delusional to think Xbox can genuinely compete in sales versus PS5 with XSX alone. It's realistic and smart to think Xbox has a decent chance of being sat next to many more PS5 than XO sat next to PS4.
That would be a huge win for Xbox and for gamers in general.
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Agreed. With Xbox All Access, Microsoft's sales pitch to PS4/5 owners will be just pay around $25 per month for GamePass Ultimate and a new Series S. No need for lump sum money down for a secondary console, just subscribe and use our service too please.

But it will only work if they have enough games that aren't on PS4/5. That's the big if.
 
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Fucking hell, 350W for the GPU alone. Lol. Even the 3080 is 320W!
 
MasterCornholio said:
I thought they were the "low speed" dev kits that they talked about in that Wired interview.
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They are, they mentioned it in the article.

"Then Cerny does the same thing on a next-gen devkit connected to a different TV. (The devkit, an early "low-speed" version, is concealed in a big silver tower, with no visible componentry.) What took 15 seconds now takes less than one: 0.8 seconds, to be exact. "

https://www.wired.com/story/exclusive-sony-next-gen-console/
 
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Insane Metal said:
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Fucking hell, 350W for the GPU alone. Lol. Even the 3080 is 320W!
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A GPU with the same power draw as the entire PS5, damn.
 
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