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[hyperbertha]

Hasn't this been kinda known for a while?

I remember Italy was like 98% with underlying conditions. NYC had 90% for people under 55 had underlying conditions. Its just any time you say it someone will come up with the ancedote of that one healthy (350 lbs) person who got it and died.

Immunity last about 6 months ans you can probably burn this thing out at about 15-25% herd. Just get younger people infected and protect the elderly.

Source on 6 months immunity? Are you basing on the Hong Kong reinfection case?

 

[cryptoadam]

Source on 6 months immunity? Are you basing on the Hong Kong reinfection case?

Seeing how there are some reinfections starting to pop up it would seem to me that at minimum its 6 months. All though I think its more likely that its a spectrum and some people can have long term immunity and others won't have strong T cells and will be more likely to get reinfected and by symptomatic.

 

[UnNamed]

And i am sure that all those people had underlying conditions.

Now having hypertension or kidney disease doesnt mean you will die in a year and the CV hurried it up.. you can still live for decades.

Just means that healthy and young people arent dying from this. If your 20 to 60 and in shape its going tl be pretty rare to die or even get really sick from the virus.

I don't want to go deeper on this subject for lack of time, but prevention before the lockdown and the lockdown itself prevented to have double of triple the number of those people with underlying condition, considering for example that Italy is one of those countries with the highest number of old people in the world. It would be a disaster without prevention.
Even younger people didn't have access to surgery or similar because all intensive care bed in the hospitals were already full, and things could be much worse.
Also, old people and people with already bad condition are not NPC in a videogame, are not disposable, they could be my mum or my dad or your grandparents, they have the right to receive healthcare.

 

[JORMBO]

They should open things back up tomorrow.

CDC: 94% of COVID-19 deaths had contributing medical conditions

ATLANTA, Ga. (NBC25/WKRC) - The Centers for Disease Control released information showing how many people who died from COVID-19 had contributing medical conditions that contributed to their death. Click here to read the entire report from the CDC. The CDC said: Table 3 shows the types of health...

local12.com

 

[Mobile Suit Gooch]

They should open things back up tomorrow.

CDC: 94% of COVID-19 deaths had contributing medical conditions

ATLANTA, Ga. (NBC25/WKRC) - The Centers for Disease Control released information showing how many people who died from COVID-19 had contributing medical conditions that contributed to their death. Click here to read the entire report from the CDC. The CDC said: Table 3 shows the types of health...

local12.com

Gotta keep the GenPop in fear, dawg

 

[cryptoadam]

I don't want to go deeper on this subject for lack of time, but prevention before the lockdown and the lockdown itself prevented to have double of triple the number of those people with underlying condition, considering for example that Italy is one of those countries with the highest number of old people in the world. It would be a disaster without prevention.
Even younger people didn't have access to surgery or similar because all intensive care bed in the hospitals were already full, and things could be much worse.
Also, old people and people with already bad condition are not NPC in a videogame, are not disposable, they could be my mum or my dad or your grandparents, they have the right to receive healthcare.

So you don't act like a retard and actually protect the old. Italy shat on their old people. They wasted their time forcing young people to stay in and let their old people get infected and die.

something like 1500 people under 60 died in Italy and I remember reading 98% of something had at least 1 underlying condition. 80% of the deaths people were over 70. Italy's problem wasn't they didn't lockdown the young population enough. The problem was they did a horrible job protecting the elderly. They did the opposite of what they should of done.

You should protect the old and vulnerable and quarantine them while letting the young manage risk through social distancing hand washing and masking indoors. I live in a city that has pretty much beat the virus, 20 people under 50 died and our Mayor killed 3000 old people in nursing homes.

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

So you don't act like a retard and actually protect the old. Italy shat on their old people. They wasted their time forcing young people to stay in and let their old people get infected and die.

something like 1500 people under 60 died in Italy and I remember reading 98% of something had at least 1 underlying condition. 80% of the deaths people were over 70. Italy's problem wasn't they didn't lockdown the young population enough. The problem was they did a horrible job protecting the elderly. They did the opposite of what they should of done.

You should protect the old and vulnerable and quarantine them while letting the young manage risk through social distancing hand washing and masking indoors. I live in a city that has pretty much beat the virus, 20 people under 50 died and our Mayor killed 3000 old people in nursing homes.

So...Italy killed their old people.
Montreal killed their old people.
NYC killed their old people.

It sounds like it was the virus that killed the old people. Otherwise that's a whole lot of homicidal aegists elected to democratic offices.

 

[cryptoadam]

So...Italy killed their old people.
Montreal killed their old people.
NYC killed their old people.

It sounds like it was the virus that killed the old people. Otherwise that's a whole lot of homicidal aegists elected to democratic offices.

NYC signed an EO forcing homes to take in infected people.

In Montreal the LTC were a provincial diagrace and disgust. The Mayor was to busy thinking about bike paths then to fix it and had to have Legault cry on TV begging people to come and help and then Trudeau sent the calvary. She should be in prison for her neglect.

Italy I can only guess that they let alot of old people get sick when you consider 1500 people under 60 died and 99% had and underlying condition.

This virus tskes out the old and sick. So thats who you should protect. Seems like these places did the exact opposite and put their most vulnerable in dangerous positions.

 

[sinnergy]

This thread= show us science and statistics .

Governments listen to scientists = they are wrong .

Good thing this thread has lots of scientists

 

[sinnergy]

So...Italy killed their old people.
Montreal killed their old people.
NYC killed their old people.

It sounds like it was the virus that killed the old people. Otherwise that's a whole lot of homicidal aegists elected to democratic offices.

According to the posters here it are governments that killed all those people , there is no virus .

 

[Shubh_C63]

I asked some of the people on a cutoff social site and most said even if vaccine got created they will not take one. Now these were not anti vaccine crazy people. They just pointed out a successful vaccine takes 5-10 years to come out and they're not going to be the testing rats for this first iteration, even with public release.

What do you guys think ?
I was willing to take it in a heartbeat if my countries Govt. and authorities backs it up but seeing such a strong response made me think twice.

 

[Chittagong]

I asked some of the people on a cutoff social site and most said even if vaccine got created they will not take one. Now these were not anti vaccine crazy people. They just pointed out a successful vaccine takes 5-10 years to come out and they're not going to be the testing rats for this first iteration, even with public release.

What do you guys think ?
I was willing to take it in a heartbeat if my countries Govt. and authorities backs it up but seeing such a strong response made me think twice.

I am 50/50. On one hand, it may be preferable to lay low and see whether any serious effects appear in larger masses, still benefiting of the herd effect. On the other hand, I have understood that the vaccine uses pretty old and known technology, and the potential long term effects of an invention seem worrying.

 

[Big-G]

I asked some of the people on a cutoff social site and most said even if vaccine got created they will not take one. Now these were not anti vaccine crazy people. They just pointed out a successful vaccine takes 5-10 years to come out and they're not going to be the testing rats for this first iteration, even with public release.

What do you guys think ?
I was willing to take it in a heartbeat if my countries Govt. and authorities backs it up but seeing such a strong response made me think twice.

I mean that is true. It's hard to gauge any long term effects even if the vaccines id ready by march of next year. Science and medicine is not this magical entity that con only me right. Anyone who has studied a little bit of pharmacology will realize the first generations of medication show flaws later on and can develop really negative symptoms, sometimes life threatening ones too.

 

[sinnergy]

I don't know , reliable vaccines indeed take years to create. I also heard you need multiple injections for COVID-19, for now 2, spread about 1 month apart .

But they could even become more , children are injected with the same vacinnes for some deceases, 5/6 times over multiple years.

Don't know yet if I want to be a test subject , maybe we will wait 2 years see if some mutate into zombies before we try

 

[Jezbollah]

This is the kind of stupidity you get when you get leftists politicizing a global panemic.

 

[Stouffers]

Seeing how there are some reinfections starting to pop up it would seem to me that at minimum its 6 months. All though I think its more likely that its a spectrum and some people can have long term immunity and others won't have strong T cells and will be more likely to get reinfected and by symptomatic.

Thankfully, I have Mr. T Cells.

 

[Birgitte2004-2]

This thread= show us science and statistics .

Governments listen to scientists = they are wrong .

Good thing this thread has lots of scientists

Oh please. There are plenty of scientists out there who've said the opposite of the alarmist stuff the "approved" scientists you are allowed to listen to have. They've been suppressed though.

True science is not about suppression or appeal to authority, although you'd never know it with the way leftift "scientists" are worshipped in today's society.

 

[Joe T.]

So...Italy killed their old people.
Montreal killed their old people.
NYC killed their old people.

It sounds like it was the virus that killed the old people. Otherwise that's a whole lot of homicidal aegists elected to democratic offices.

Department of Justice Requesting Data From Governors of States that Issued COVID-19 Orders that May Have Resulted in Deaths of Elderly Nursing Home Residents

Today the Justice Department requested COVID-19 data from the governors of states that issued orders which may have resulted in the deaths of thousands of elderly nursing home residents. New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Michigan required nursing homes to admit COVID-19 patients to their...

www.justice.gov

New York retroactively covered its ass legally, but if you're interested in learning what may have led to those decisions you can follow the money. An admittedly overly dramatic video laying some of that out:




Note how when governor Cuomo's put on the spot around the 4:27 mark, asked about accountability for those deaths, he says no one should be prosecuted. "Older people, vulnerable people are going to die from this virus. That is going to happen despite whatever you do because with all our progress as a society we can't keep everyone alive." The cognitive dissonance on display when people let that slide then turn around to blame the national death toll on the president is amusing, a good bit of that in this thread.

Would be nice to know with certainty if this virus escaped from a lab like so many others in our history given that we decided to pause/disrupt life from top to bottom for what could wind up being years over another coronavirus. Why did we go to such lengths? Is it because China put out some unproven videos on social media of people passing out in the streets, throwing them in the back of trucks and welding them shut in apartments while wearing hazmat suits? Now China's putting out videos of thousands jammed together at parties in Wuhan. The psychological warfare is real.

What's the end game for governments, truly? Flattening the curve or slowing the spread obviously wasn't it. Containing or eradicating the virus isn't it either. We know we were lied to and yet continue going along with their demands, so what are we doing other than signaling to the vultures that we're ripe for the taking?

 

[BouncyFrag]

Care Homes in Britain were threatened with losing funding if they didn't accept covid infected patients. Nations of the world all killed their elderly. Remember the feeling when the second plane hit the World Trade Center? We should all be feeling this NOW.

Coronavirus: Care homes faced funding cut if they didn't take in COVID-19 patients

Sky News has seen letters which show local authorities threatened to withhold so-called uplift payments during the outbreak.

www.google.com

 

[cryptoadam]

If you look at the hardest hit places you will find neglect of elder care facilities

I live in one.

86% of deaths in these homes. People died in their own shit in these homes. over 3000 dead in these homes.

And our mayor spent her time thinking about how horrible it is during the pandemic that when she is biking around during the stay at home orders there weren't enough bike lanes. So instead of saving old people she thought lets use this pandemic to make more bike lanes.

 

[Nymphae]

COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics

Tabulated data on provisional COVID-19 deaths by age, sex, race and Hispanic origin, and comorbidities. Also includes an index of state-level and county-level mortality data available for download.

www.cdc.gov

 

[Mobile Suit Gooch]

COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics

Tabulated data on provisional COVID-19 deaths by age, sex, race and Hispanic origin, and comorbidities. Also includes an index of state-level and county-level mortality data available for download.

www.cdc.gov

people are calling this bs.

 

[diffusionx]

Your Coronavirus Test Is Positive. Maybe It Shouldn’t Be. (Published 2020)

The usual diagnostic tests may simply be too sensitive and too slow to contain the spread of the virus.

www.nytimes.com

Now we're getting to the bottom of this. 90% of positive tests are bogus, and 94% of "COVID deaths" could easily be classified as something else.

This entire thing has been a goddamn hoax.

 

[Stouffers]

If you look at the hardest hit places you will find neglect of elder care facilities

I live in one.

86% of deaths in these homes. People died in their own shit in these homes. over 3000 dead in these homes.

And our mayor spent her time thinking about how horrible it is during the pandemic that when she is biking around during the stay at home orders there weren't enough bike lanes. So instead of saving old people she thought lets use this pandemic to make more bike lanes.

Why do you live in one? Disabled or old?

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

If you look at the hardest hit places you will find neglect of elder care facilities

I live in one.

86% of deaths in these homes. People died in their own shit in these homes. over 3000 dead in these homes.

And our mayor spent her time thinking about how horrible it is during the pandemic that when she is biking around during the stay at home orders there weren't enough bike lanes. So instead of saving old people she thought lets use this pandemic to make more bike lanes.

You work there or are you a 79 y/o?

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics

Tabulated data on provisional COVID-19 deaths by age, sex, race and Hispanic origin, and comorbidities. Also includes an index of state-level and county-level mortality data available for download.

www.cdc.gov

Your Coronavirus Test Is Positive. Maybe It Shouldn’t Be. (Published 2020)

The usual diagnostic tests may simply be too sensitive and too slow to contain the spread of the virus.

www.nytimes.com

Now we're getting to the bottom of this. 90% of positive tests are bogus, and 94% of "COVID deaths" could easily be classified as something else.

This entire thing has been a goddamn hoax.

 

[iconmaster]

They should open things back up tomorrow.

CDC: 94% of COVID-19 deaths had contributing medical conditions

ATLANTA, Ga. (NBC25/WKRC) - The Centers for Disease Control released information showing how many people who died from COVID-19 had contributing medical conditions that contributed to their death. Click here to read the entire report from the CDC. The CDC said: Table 3 shows the types of health...

local12.com

Covid's overblown but this might not be a smoking gun. Dying of the flu similarly involves complications besides the flu itself; probably a lot of illnesses work that way. Cancer makes lesser infections much more serious, and so on.

 

[diffusionx]

Covid's overblown but this might not be a smoking gun. Dying of the flu similarly involves complications besides the flu itself; probably a lot of illnesses work that way. Cancer makes lesser infections much more serious, and so on.

Right, just like the flu. So much of this is just like the flu.

 

[cryptoadam]

Why do you live in one? Disabled or old?

Not a home, I mean a city that killed a shit ton of old people. If we didn't kill all the elderly in care homes we would of had a few 100 deaths in the general population. Virus is pretty much dead here. Hopefully it don't come back the winter but its been since June.

 

[cryptoadam]

VMA's seemed a little creppy

 

[pLow7]

I guess sometimes it has more effect if you talk to Walls.

 

[MisterFalcon]

Saying only 6% died of purely Covid is a pretty dumb take if the 94 % includes 54 thousand cases of respiratory failure and 21 thousand Adult respiratory distress syndrome. Which are a result of all your lung cells getting infected by the virus and no longer providing oxygen to your body.

I guess that guy in Portland did not die from being shot but from blood loss.

 

[prag16]

I am 50/50. On one hand, it may be preferable to lay low and see whether any serious effects appear in larger masses, still benefiting of the herd effect. On the other hand, I have understood that the vaccine uses pretty old and known technology, and the potential long term effects of an invention seem worrying.

Which vaccine? Because a couple of the leading ones at minimum use brand NEW technology (RNA) that has never been used for human vaccines before.

 

[Jezbollah]

I don't believe case-wise Covid has been a hoax, it certainly exists and it can certainly kick the shit out of you if you are not asymptomous. But yes - it kills those who might have otherwise been killed by other conditions - this is a huge amount of deaths. At the same time, those that survive Covid if they were in hospital may not live as long as if they didnt catch it.

The element of Hoax that I do believe in is those who have manipulated it as an excuse to politically weaponise it for their agenda. I 100% believe the likes of Public Health England have allowed the practice of using COVID19 as cause of death in order to pressurise the Government.

 

[FireFly]

Your Coronavirus Test Is Positive. Maybe It Shouldn’t Be. (Published 2020)

The usual diagnostic tests may simply be too sensitive and too slow to contain the spread of the virus.

www.nytimes.com

Now we're getting to the bottom of this. 90% of positive tests are bogus, and 94% of "COVID deaths" could easily be classified as something else.

This entire thing has been a goddamn hoax.

You can't fake excess deaths.

Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19

Figures present excess deaths associated with COVID-19 at the national and state levels.

www.cdc.gov

Pick a recent hotspot state (eg. Florida, Texas) and compare with when coronavirus deaths started peaking.

Right, just like the flu. So much of this is just like the flu.

Seasonal Flu vs. Pandemic Flu

Influenza is one of the world's greatest infectious disease challenges. But did you know that seasonal flu and pandemic flu are not the same?

www.cdc.gov

Existing population immunity, transmission rate, seasonality. Difference between a regular flu season and a catastrophe.

 

[diffusionx]

You can't fake excess deaths.

You also can't look at it at one point in time. It is not killing off young, virile, healthy people. The vast majority of the people who died from COVID were seriously ill and were, let's be honest, gonna die pretty soon. The death of an 85 year old with heart disease with COVID in April 2020 means one less death when he dies from something else 6-12 months from now. So we need to hold off on the muh excess death hysteria right now and look at it with a years-long view in mind.

 

[ManaByte]

Tales from America’s COVID college campuses

“The whole thing is a bait and switch."

jordanschachtel.substack.com

Tulane University

"No gatherings over 15 people. Everyone's mental health is crumbling. Nobody is even sick and those who quarantine follow the rules. School requires asymptomatic testing and there's no end in sight . My guy and girl friends are all miserable . So many have been like this is prison we can't do anything. All bars closed in Louisiana. We gather at local parks and the cops come to shut it down. No fun ever allowed and no end in sight."

University of Iowa

"They have 'isolation dorms' for COVID kids, but they are horrid. Guys in hazmat suits come ... 2 week isolation, no visitors. Nurse on call but up to 3 hour wait if you need something … kids at school now are not getting tested so they don't get sentenced to the isolation prisons."

Southern Methodist University

"Students must wear masks outside dorm rooms, cannot visit another dorm, etc. Threatened with draconian honor code violations if they violate the rules and orientation was declared all virtual at the last minute. Yet today, the athletes, with permission of and active participation by the University, were permitted to organize a BLM march through campus."

 

[ManaByte]

Don't read the comments. They're full of people who drunk the Kool-Aid

 

[FireFly]

You also can't look at it at one point in time. It is not killing off young, virile, healthy people. The vast majority of the people who died from COVID were seriously ill and were, let's be honest, gonna die pretty soon. The death of an 85 year old with heart disease with COVID in April 2020 means one less death when he dies from something else 6-12 months from now. So we need to hold off on the muh excess death hysteria right now and look at it with a years-long view in mind.

That's a different argument. Either the virus leads to premature deaths or it doesn't.

If it does, then premature deaths are not "a hoax" produced by the medical system, but a consequence of the virus leading people to die earlier than they would otherwise have done. We can acknowledge this without resorting to hysteria, or pre-judging the results of the eventual cost-analysis.

But interestingly, that analysis would require us putting a figure on the worth of each extra year of life. Insurers seem to have agreed that a Quality-Adjusted Life-Year (QALY) is worth around $50,000, for a "healthy" year of life. So if each victim loses only 5 healthy life years, and we have 200,000 victims, that would be a "loss" of $50 trillion.

 

[SurprisedPikachu]

608 + pages later.. I know I posted somewhere in here my thoughts and someone requested sources. I have another comment in another thread of which someone questions my intelligence and I will use this comment to refute that.

According to The New York Times, potentially 90 percent of those who have tested positive for COVID-19 have such insignificant amounts of the virus present in their bodies that such individuals do not need to isolate nor are they candidates for contact tracing. Leading public health experts are now concerned that overtesting is responsible for misdiagnosing a huge number of people with harmless amounts of the virus in their systems. https://townhall.com/tipsheet/brons...ovid-tests-should-have-been-negative-n2575305

Experts: US COVID-19 positivity rate high due to 'too sensitive' tests

Up to 90 percent of people tested for COVID-19 in Massachusetts, New York and Nevada in July carried barely any traces of the virus, a new report says.

www.dailymail.co.uk

They didn't even stop using the tests that were positive on fucking papayas and goats till mid may. No, really.

Coronavirus: Tanzania testing kits questioned after goat and papaya test positive

The president admits there may be "technical errors" , having previously suggested people could pray the disease away.

news.sky.com

FDA: Makers of coronavirus antibody tests must now show tests actually work Regulatory "flexibility" was never meant to allow fraud, agency says on 5/5/20 after positive tests on goats and papayas comes out

FDA: Makers of coronavirus antibody tests must now show tests actually work

Regulatory “flexibility” was never meant to allow fraud, agency says.

arstechnica.com

For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death.

COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics

Tabulated data on provisional COVID-19 deaths by age, sex, race and Hispanic origin, and comorbidities. Also includes an index of state-level and county-level mortality data available for download.

www.cdc.gov

Studies on Covid-19 lethality by Swiss Policy Research

Studies on Covid-19 Lethality

Covid-19 infection fatality rates (IFR) based on antibody studies.

swprs.org

China Launched a Massive Social Media Campaign in March to Get Countries to Adopt Stringent Coronavirus Lockdowns and Destroy Their Economies. THEY TARGETED ITALY FIRST.

CONFIRMED: China Launched a Massive Social Media Campaign in March to Get Countries to Adopt Stringent Coronavirus Lockdowns and Destroy Their Economies | The Gateway Pundit | by Joe Hoft

China released the coronavirus sometime in late 2019. By early March China was pushing countries around the globe to put in place economic shutdowns similar to what the CCP did in Wuhan. They clearly wanted the world to suffer economically from the virus.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Chinese State Media Claims Coronavirus Is A Tool To Beat Trump

BOMBSHELL ADMISSION: Chinese State Media Claims Coronavirus Is A Tool To ‘Beat’ Trump - The National Pulse

Chinese state media has admitted it views the novel coronavirus as a tool to “beat” President Trump, confirming the Trump administration’s insistence China has sought political gain from the virus. China Global Television Network (CGTN) issued a nearly six-minute video entitled “Can COVID-19...

thenationalpulse.com

MASK MANDATES ARE SCIENTIFICALLY UNSOUND

Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy on Masks

COMMENTARY: Masks-for-all for COVID-19 not based on sound data

www.cidrap.umn.edu

Association of American Physicians and Surgeons on Masks

Mask Facts

curated by Marilyn M. Singleton, M.D., J.D. – Updated September 26, 2020 Introduction COVID-19 is as politically-charged as it is infectious. Early in the COVID-19 pandemic, the WHO, the CDC …

aapsonline.org

Top Swedish epidemiologist: It's 'very dangerous' to believe masks will stop coronavirus

Top Swedish epidemiologist: It's 'very dangerous' to believe masks will stop coronavirus

One of Sweden’s top epidemiologists said it’s “very dangerous” to believe masks will prevent the spread of the coronavirus. Dr. Anders Tegnell, who heads

www.washingtonexaminer.com

CDC guidelines say wearing a mask during prolonged exposure to coronavirus won't prevent possible infection

CDC guidelines say wearing a mask during prolonged exposure to coronavirus won't prevent possible infection

Guidelines from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention state that those who come in close contact with someone with the coronavirus for more than

www.washingtonexaminer.com

World's Top Epidemiologists - Masks Don't Work!

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Sweden never issued stay-at-home orders, kept schools open, didn't close businesses and the general public does not wear masks and the entire country is down to LESS THAN 1 DEATH per day from COVID-19.



Collin County judges says there are major discrepancies between county and state COVID-19 numbers

Collin County judges says there are major discrepancies between county and state COVID-19 numbers

The state shows 4,636 active cases in Collin County. The staff in the county believe it's closer to 980 cases, which is more than four times less.

www.wfaa.com

Texas officials say record-high COVID-19 positivity rate was caused by coding errors, system upgrades

Texas officials say record-high COVID-19 positivity rate was caused by coding errors, system upgrades

The state says coding errors from two labs and a system upgrade on Aug. 1 caused an artificial 24.5% positivity rate. The rate dropped to 16% Thursday and Friday.

www.khou.com

U.K. May Scrap Coronavirus Daily Death Toll After Experts Find Officials Over-Exaggerating Count, Report Alleges

U.K. May Scrap Coronavirus Daily Death Toll After Experts Find Officials ‘Over-Exaggerating’ Count, Report Alleges

The United Kingdom may scrap its official daily coronavirus death toll counter after a review by Oxford University experts of how the deaths were counted reportedly found that results were being “over-exaggerated.”“The conclusions of the review, which was ordered by Matt Hancock after it emerged...

www.dailywire.com

Pennsylvania Forced To Remove Hundreds Of Deaths From Coronavirus Death Count After Coroners Raise Red Flags

Pennsylvania Forced To Remove Hundreds Of Deaths From Coronavirus Death Count After Coroners Raise Red Flags

Pennsylvania has had to remove hundreds of coronavirus deaths from its official death count this week, following questions of accuracy and highlighted discrepancies by area coroners.The PA health department decided to include “probable” coronavirus deaths, or an assumed COVID-19-related death...

www.dailywire.com

600,000 Mistakenly Told Theyve Had Covid:˜I Have NOT Been Tested"

600,000 Mistakenly Told They’ve Had Covid: ‘I Have NOT Been Tested’

Tricare, a health care program of the United States Department of Defense Military Health System, mistakenly told more than 600,000 people they have had the China-originated novel coronavirus, asking the “COVID-19 survivors” to consider donating blood for research.In a mass email sent on July...

www.dailywire.com

CV19 Tests have many problems including many test for the entire family of coronaviruses (which include common cold), not just CV19 specifically

The Common Cold May Trigger a Positive COVID-19 Antibody Test - LewRockwell

Right now, there are three types of COVID-19 tests:1 Molecular — Also known as a PCR (polymerase chain reaction) test, this test detects whether genetic material of the virus is present in the sample collected from your throat or sputum (the back of your sinuses) Antigen — This test, sometimes...

www.lewrockwell.com

We've learned that the CDC is making, at best, a debilitating mistake: combining test results that diagnose current coronavirus infections with test results that measure whether someone has ever had the virus.

‘How Could the CDC Make That Mistake?’

The government’s disease-fighting agency is conflating viral and antibody tests, compromising a few crucial metrics that governors depend on to reopen their economies. Pennsylvania, Georgia, Texas, and other states are doing the same.

www.theatlantic.com

Minnesota doctor blasts 'ridiculous' CDC coronavirus death count guidelines

Minnesota doctor blasts 'ridiculous' CDC coronavirus death count guidelines

Dr. Scott Jensen, a Minnesota family physician who is also a Republican state senator, told "The Ingraham Angle" Wednesday that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC) guidelines for doctors to certify whether a patient has died of coronavirus are "ridiculous" and could be...

www.foxnews.com

The Most Important Coronavirus Statistic: 42% Of U.S. Deaths Are From 0.6% Of The Population

The Most Important Coronavirus Statistic: 42% Of U.S. Deaths Are From 0.6% Of The Population

A single statistic may hold the key to resolving the ongoing debate over COVID-19 lockdowns: the astounding share of deaths occurring in nursing homes and assisted living facilities.

www.forbes.com

42% of All COVID-19 Deaths Occurred in Nursing Homes

42% of All COVID-19 Deaths Occurred in Nursing Homes - LewRockwell

Early on in the pandemic it became clear that older individuals were at disproportionate risk of severe COVID-19 infection and death. According to an analysis1 conducted by the Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity, which included data reported by May 22, 2020, an average of 42% of all...

www.lewrockwell.com

3 States Account for 42 Percent of All COVID-19 Deaths in America. Why?

3 States Account for 42 Percent of All COVID-19 Deaths in America. Why?

These three states represent just 10 percent of the US population.

fee.org

More Than 40% of U.S. Coronavirus Deaths Are Linked to Nursing Homes

Nearly One-Third of U.S. Coronavirus Deaths Are Linked to Nursing Homes (Published 2021)

The virus has devastated residents and staff members in more than 32,000 long-term care facilities across the country.

www.nytimes.com

Countries that use Hydroxychloroquine have starkly different results from those that don't. Dozens of positive studies on HCQ ignored. https://hcqtrial.com/ https://c19study.com/

Hydroxychloroquine 'very safe,' says Dr. Scott Atlas; blasts 'garbage' medical studies

Hydroxychloroquine uproar shows ‘objective science is nearly dead’: Dr. Scott Atlas

The drug hydroxychloroquine has gotten a bad rap thanks to politics, media hype and some “garbage” medical research, according to Dr. Scott Atlas, who joined the White House coronavirus task force earlier this month.

www.washingtontimes.com

Switzerland provides irrefutable proof that Hydroxychloroquine works

Dr. Fauci Suggested All Kinds of Limits on Churches, Refuses to Do the Same for Leftist Protests https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/3...lies-worship-is-less-important-than-protests/ https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katie...it-protests-spread-wuhan-coronavirus-n2573514

Literally Thousands of Doctors and Scientists Have Come Out Against Fauci’s Lockdowns Including a Nobel Prize-Winning Biophysicist. The Media Just Doesn’t Want You to Know

Literally Thousands of Doctors and Scientists Have Come Out Against Fauci's Lockdowns Including a Nobel Prize-Winning Biophysicist. The Media Just Doesn't Want You to Know

(AP Photo/Alex Brandon) As RedState’s very own Sister Toldjah reported earlier today, the

www.redstate.com

Stanford doctor: Coronavirus fatality rate for people under 45 'almost 0%' https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...on-fatality-rate-for-people-under-45-almost-0

Among people <70 years old, infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 0.57% with median of 0.05% across the different locations (corrected median of 0.04%).

The infection fatality rate of COVID-19 inferred from seroprevalence data

Objective To estimate the infection fatality rate of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) from data of seroprevalence studies. Methods Population studies with sample size of at least 500 and published as peer-reviewed papers or preprints as of July 11, 2020 were retrieved from PubMed, preprint...

www.medrxiv.org

Nobel Prize for Science winner Professor Levitt of Stanford

one of the few who called this thing correctly back in February
with a population fatality rate of 0.04 to 0.05%, largely regardless of lockdown Now calls it again - on how science has let us all down dreadfully:
Hospitals are paid more for Medicare patients confirmed or presumed to have coronavirus

Hospitals are paid more for Medicare patients confirmed or presumed to have coronavirus

If a Medicare patient is diagnosed – or even presumed – to have contracted coronavirus, termed COVID-19, hospitals across the United States are given more money from the federal government, economic assessments show. That amount can so much as triple if the patient requires a ventilator, raising...

www.foxnews.com

Using payment rates for similar respiratory conditions, Kaiser estimated the average Medicare payment at $13,297 for a less severe hospitalization and $40,218 for hospitalization in which a patient is treated with a ventilator for at least 96 hours.

PolitiFact: On hospitals and the possible financial incentive of COVID-19 patients

Medicare is paying a 20 percent add-on to its regular hospital payments for the treatment of COVID-19 victims. That’s a result of a federal stimulus law.

www.tampabay.com

Fact check: Hospitals get paid more if patients listed as COVID-19, on ventilators, rated true

Fact check: Hospitals get paid more if patients listed as COVID-19, on ventilators

Hospitals are paid more for Medicare patients with COVID-19, but a senator who first said that says he doesn't think the system is being gamed.

www.usatoday.com

California Gov. Newsom Bans Singing In Churches

California Gov. Newsom Bans Singing In Churches

Democratic California Gov. Gavin Newsom issued new coronavirus orders Wednesday that ban singing in churches or other places of worship.

dailycaller.com

CDC Quietly Drops Mandatory 14-Day Quarantine After Traveling

CDC Quietly Drops Mandatory 14-Day Quarantine After Traveling

Tourists should still follow the basic sanitary protocols.

www.travelpulse.com

New York paid $69 million for ventilators that never showed up

New York paid $69 million for ventilators that never showed up

New York State paid a Silicon Valley electrical engineer more than $69 million for a ventilators that never arrived, according to a report on Wednesday. Yaron Oren-Pines on March 30 pocketed $69.1 …

nypost.com

Confidential agreement uncovered allowed Pa. car show to happen despite COVID-19 restrictions

Confidential agreement uncovered allowed Pa. car show to happen despite COVID-19 restrictions

Channel 11 has obtained a secret agreement that shows the health secretary allowed a car show near Harrisburg to go on allowing 20,000 people in per day.

www.wpxi.com

IN APRIL: New York antibody study estimates 13.9% of residents have had the coronavirus, Gov. Cuomo says

New York antibody study estimates 13.9% of residents have had the coronavirus, Gov. Cuomo says

The state's mortality rates remains persistently high at about 7.4%. The antibody testing indicates the actual death rate may be far lower.

www.cnbc.com

NYC Contact Tracers Not Permitted to Ask Sick Patients if They Attended a George Floyd Protest

Absurd: NYC Contact Tracers Not Permitted to Ask Sick Patients if They Attended a George Floyd Protest

The supposed army of 1,000+ pandemic contact tracers in New York City will hit a roadblock this week

townhall.com

IF SOMEONE TRIES TO SAY 'MUH COMPLICATIONS' SHOW THEM THIS

SEVERE COMPLICATIONS OF FLU

Cortical Vision Loss as a Prominent Feature of Influenza-induced Encephalopathy

Cortical vision loss as a prominent feature of H1N1 encephalopathy - PubMed

A 20-year-old woman infected with the 2009 H1N1 strain of influenza A developed bilateral visual loss. Brain MRI showed restricted diffusion of the parietal and occipital lobes, and her spinal fluid did not contain inflammatory cells. This report describes an unusual case of H1N1 influenza A...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Myocarditis Associated with Influenza A H1N1pdm2009

Myocarditis Associated with Influenza A H1N1pdm2009 - PMC

Acute myocarditis is a well-known complication of influenza infection. The frequency of myocardial involvement in influenza infection varies widely, with the clinical severity ranging from asymptomatic to fulminant varieties. The worst cases can ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Influenza-related Viral Myocarditis

Influenza-related viral myocarditis - PubMed

Seasonal influenza outbreak is responsible for significant morbidity and mortality around the world. The disease can be severe, leading to rapid worsening of breathing and culminating in death. The pulmonary manifestations are prominent and may mask the involvement of other organs, such as the...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Acute Hemorrhagic Leukoencephalopathy Associated With Influenza A (H1N1) Virus

Acute hemorrhagic leukoencephalopathy associated with influenza A (H1N1) virus - PubMed

This case emphasizes the importance of awareness of this disease. The non-specific signs and symptoms, and the use of sedatives, make diagnosis challenging in the early stages of this disease. If suspected early, appropriate imaging can aid in the diagnosis. Treatment with immunosuppressive...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Influenza-associated seizures in healthy adults

Influenza-associated seizures in healthy adults: Report of 3 cases - PMC

To describe seizures occurring in 3 healthy adults with influenza infection. Seizures associated to influenza infection are rare in adults without encephalitis. Clinical observations of 3 healthy adult patients with influenza A and B infection and ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Five-year-old Brysen got the flu. Weeks later, his legs hurt. Days later, he was paralyzed.

Five-year-old Brysen got the flu. Weeks later, his legs hurt. Days later, he was paralyzed.

Each year Riley Hospital sees about 10 cases of Guillain-Barré Syndrome. It's a rare side effect that can follow a case of the flu.

www.indystar.com

Influenza-Induced Hearing Loss

Influenza-Induced Hearing Loss

[html format="ckeditor" different_values="0"]We all know the common flu symptoms – fever, headaches, sore muscle, sore throat, runny nose, sneezing, dry cough, tiredness – but did you know that the flu can also cause temporary and potentially permanent hearing loss?How temporary hearing loss is...

jta.com.au

Influenza virus associated encephalopathy

Influenza virus associated encephalopathy - PMC

Perspective on the paper by Hosoya et al (see page 469) Keywords: encephalopathy, influenza

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Neurologic complications of influenza in children

Neurologic complications of influenza in children | Contemporary Pediatrics

Influenza-associated neurologic complications in children are rare but can be severe. Familiarity with the clinical presentation and frequency of specific neurologic findings can help pediatricians with early diagnosis and treatment.

www.contemporarypediatrics.com

Acute Hepatitis and Liver Failure Associated With Influenza A Infection in Children

Acute Hepatitis and Liver Failure Associated With Influenza ... : Journal of Pediatric Gastroenterology and Nutrition

An abstract is unavailable.

journals.lww.com

A child with acute liver failure associated with influenza A

SAGE Journals: Your gateway to world-class research journals

Subscription and open access journals from SAGE Publishing, the world's leading independent academic publisher.

journals.sagepub.com

Viremia Induced by Influenza Virus

Viremia induced by influenza virus - PubMed

A mouse model of influenza A/PR/8 virus infection was adopted to investigate the blood and various tissues of intranasally infected mice for the presence of viral RNA by using the nested polymerase chain reaction. The nucleoprotein gene was detected in the red blood cell fraction from 1 to 5...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Influenza A Viral Infection Associated With Acute Renal Failure

Influenza A viral infection associated with acute renal failure - PubMed

The clinical and laboratory findings in four cases of acute renal failure following the onset of influenza A viral infection (Port Chalmers/1/73) are presented. Although the pathophysiologic mechanisms affecting the kidney in these cases varied, the ensuing renal failure in each patient was...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Mechanisms of Multi-Organ Failure in Severe Influenza

[Mechanisms of multi-organ failure in severe influenza] - PubMed

Severe influenza is characterized by cytokine storm and multi-organ failure with edema. We found that the "influenza virus-cytokine-trypsin/MMP-9 cycle" in the endothelial cells is one of the key mechanisms of vascular hyperpermeability, the major pathogen of multi-organ failure. Upregulated...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Influenza A with hemorrhagic shock and encephalopathy syndrome in an adult

Influenza A with hemorrhagic shock and encephalopathy... : Medicine

ysfunctions. It is extremely rare in adults, and the number of reports is limited worldwide. We report the case of an adult patient with HSES, which occurred after influenza A infection. Patient concerns: A 52-year-old man visited his family doctor 2 days after he noticed fever and was...

journals.lww.com

California doctors say they've seen more deaths from suicide than coronavirus since lockdowns (this was quickly "fact checked" but never disproven, the fact checkers used month old data to fact check it)

California doctors say they've seen more deaths from suicide than coronavirus since lockdowns

Doctors in Northern California say they have seen more deaths from suicide than they’ve seen from the coronavirus during the pandemic.“The numbers are

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Cuomo gave immunity to nursing home executives after big campaign donations

Cuomo gave immunity to nursing home executives after big campaign donations

Critics say data proves New York’s liability shield is linked to higher nursing home death rates during the pandemic

www.theguardian.com

(IN MAY) One-Third of All U.S.Coronavirus Deaths Are Nursing Home Residents or Workers

One-Third of All U.S. Coronavirus Deaths Are Nursing Home Residents or Workers (Published 2020)

In at least 14 states, more than half of coronavirus deaths are tied to long-term care facilities for older adults, according to a New York Times database.

www.nytimes.com

(IN JULY) COVID-19 is close to losing its epidemic status in the U.S., according to the CDC

COVID-19 is close to losing its epidemic status in the U.S., according to the CDC

The percentage of coronavirus deaths in the country has been declining for ten straight weeks.

justthenews.com

WHO: Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China

WHO haunted by January tweet saying China found no human transmission of coronavirus

In a January tweet, the World Health Organization (WHO) cited Chinese health officials who claimed there had been no human transmissions of the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) within the country yet.

www.foxnews.com

Trump Attacked by Dems & Press for China Travel Ban

FLASHBACK: Let’s Take A Look At How The Press Covered Trump’s China Travel Ban

Media outlets bashed Trump in January after he issued a travel ban from China because of the coronavirus – a move that many other countries have now followed.

dailycaller.com

Top 20 months of excess deaths for Sweden. April barely broke the top 20, didn't even beat bad flu years.



KNOWN IN MARCH: Inaccurate Virus Models (MADE BY POLITICALLY FUNDED GROUPS) Are Panicking Officials Into Ill-Advised Lockdowns

Inaccurate Virus Models Are Panicking Officials Into Ill-advised Lockdowns

How a handful of Democratic activists created alarming, but inaccurate data to scare local and state officials into making rash, economy-killing mandates.

thefederalist.com

Controversial press conference held by two Bakersfield doctors that was pulled down by YouTube IN APRIL STATING EXACTLY WHAT WE KNOW NOW

Watch controversial press conference held by two Bakersfield doctors that was pulled down by YouTube

On April 24th, two Bakersfield doctors, Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi, help a press conference questioning the California's stay-at-home order. The video was later pulled by YouTube.

www.turnto23.com

Mississippi Coroner Says State's Coronavirus Death Tally Is Misleading, Causing 'Unnecessary Fear In The Public'

MS Coroner Says COVID Death Tally In State Is Misleading, Causing Fear

The coroner said in a Facebook post that felt compelled to say something because of the "many facebook google experts and politicians with politically driven agendas driven by money reporting information that is twisted and false to the public."

www.newsweek.com

DeSoto Co. coroner says coronavirus death numbers in Mississippi may be misleading

Coroner accuses Pa. Health Dept. of 'Monday morning quarterbacking' coronavirus deaths

Coroner accuses Pa. Health Dept. of ‘Monday morning quarterbacking’ coronavirus deaths

Sullivan County Coroner Wendy Hastings is puzzled why the state attributes one death in that county to COVID-19.

www.pennlive.com

Montgomery County coroner says COVID-19 death toll is inaccurate

Montgomery County coroner says COVID-19 death toll is inaccurate

Coroner refuses to rule COVID-19 as cause of death of six-week-old baby after Connecticut governor claimed toddler was 'youngest coronavirus victim in the world'

Coroner refuses to say COVID-19 is cause of death of six-week-old baby

Connecticut Governor Ned Lamont (pictured) last week said that a six-week-old baby who died in a Hartford hospital (inset) tested positive for COVID-19.

www.dailymail.co.uk

NURSE WHISTLEBLOWER (with proof): MAJOR NYC HOSPITALS KILLING PATIENTS, GROUPING CV19 AND nonCV19 TOGETHER, HEALTHY PATIENTS PUT ON VENTS, MUCH MORE

New York Undercover Nurse Confirms COVID-19 Criminal Hoax

Erin Marie Olszewski is a Nurse-turned-investigative journalist, who has spent the last few months on the frontlines of the coronavirus pandemic, on the inside in two radically different settings. Two hospitals. One private, the other public. One in Florida, the other in New York. And not just...

banned.video

 

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608 + pages later.. I know I posted somewhere in here my thoughts and someone requested sources. I have another comment in another thread of which someone questions my intelligence and I will use this comment to refute that.

According to The New York Times, potentially 90 percent of those who have tested positive for COVID-19 have such insignificant amounts of the virus present in their bodies that such individuals do not need to isolate nor are they candidates for contact tracing. Leading public health experts are now concerned that overtesting is responsible for misdiagnosing a huge number of people with harmless amounts of the virus in their systems. https://townhall.com/tipsheet/brons...ovid-tests-should-have-been-negative-n2575305

Experts: US COVID-19 positivity rate high due to 'too sensitive' tests

Up to 90 percent of people tested for COVID-19 in Massachusetts, New York and Nevada in July carried barely any traces of the virus, a new report says.

www.dailymail.co.uk

They didn't even stop using the tests that were positive on fucking papayas and goats till mid may. No, really.

Coronavirus: Tanzania testing kits questioned after goat and papaya test positive

The president admits there may be "technical errors" , having previously suggested people could pray the disease away.

news.sky.com

FDA: Makers of coronavirus antibody tests must now show tests actually work Regulatory "flexibility" was never meant to allow fraud, agency says on 5/5/20 after positive tests on goats and papayas comes out

FDA: Makers of coronavirus antibody tests must now show tests actually work

Regulatory “flexibility” was never meant to allow fraud, agency says.

arstechnica.com

For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death.

COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics

Tabulated data on provisional COVID-19 deaths by age, sex, race and Hispanic origin, and comorbidities. Also includes an index of state-level and county-level mortality data available for download.

www.cdc.gov

Studies on Covid-19 lethality by Swiss Policy Research

Studies on Covid-19 Lethality

Covid-19 infection fatality rates (IFR) based on antibody studies.

swprs.org

China Launched a Massive Social Media Campaign in March to Get Countries to Adopt Stringent Coronavirus Lockdowns and Destroy Their Economies. THEY TARGETED ITALY FIRST.

CONFIRMED: China Launched a Massive Social Media Campaign in March to Get Countries to Adopt Stringent Coronavirus Lockdowns and Destroy Their Economies | The Gateway Pundit | by Joe Hoft

China released the coronavirus sometime in late 2019. By early March China was pushing countries around the globe to put in place economic shutdowns similar to what the CCP did in Wuhan. They clearly wanted the world to suffer economically from the virus.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Chinese State Media Claims Coronavirus Is A Tool To Beat Trump

BOMBSHELL ADMISSION: Chinese State Media Claims Coronavirus Is A Tool To ‘Beat’ Trump - The National Pulse

Chinese state media has admitted it views the novel coronavirus as a tool to “beat” President Trump, confirming the Trump administration’s insistence China has sought political gain from the virus. China Global Television Network (CGTN) issued a nearly six-minute video entitled “Can COVID-19...

thenationalpulse.com

MASK MANDATES ARE SCIENTIFICALLY UNSOUND

Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy on Masks

COMMENTARY: Masks-for-all for COVID-19 not based on sound data

www.cidrap.umn.edu

Association of American Physicians and Surgeons on Masks

Mask Facts

curated by Marilyn M. Singleton, M.D., J.D. – Updated September 26, 2020 Introduction COVID-19 is as politically-charged as it is infectious. Early in the COVID-19 pandemic, the WHO, the CDC …

aapsonline.org

Top Swedish epidemiologist: It's 'very dangerous' to believe masks will stop coronavirus

Top Swedish epidemiologist: It's 'very dangerous' to believe masks will stop coronavirus

One of Sweden’s top epidemiologists said it’s “very dangerous” to believe masks will prevent the spread of the coronavirus. Dr. Anders Tegnell, who heads

www.washingtonexaminer.com

CDC guidelines say wearing a mask during prolonged exposure to coronavirus won't prevent possible infection

CDC guidelines say wearing a mask during prolonged exposure to coronavirus won't prevent possible infection

Guidelines from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention state that those who come in close contact with someone with the coronavirus for more than

www.washingtonexaminer.com

World's Top Epidemiologists - Masks Don't Work!

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Sweden never issued stay-at-home orders, kept schools open, didn't close businesses and the general public does not wear masks and the entire country is down to LESS THAN 1 DEATH per day from COVID-19.



Collin County judges says there are major discrepancies between county and state COVID-19 numbers

Collin County judges says there are major discrepancies between county and state COVID-19 numbers

The state shows 4,636 active cases in Collin County. The staff in the county believe it's closer to 980 cases, which is more than four times less.

www.wfaa.com

Texas officials say record-high COVID-19 positivity rate was caused by coding errors, system upgrades

Texas officials say record-high COVID-19 positivity rate was caused by coding errors, system upgrades

The state says coding errors from two labs and a system upgrade on Aug. 1 caused an artificial 24.5% positivity rate. The rate dropped to 16% Thursday and Friday.

www.khou.com

U.K. May Scrap Coronavirus Daily Death Toll After Experts Find Officials Over-Exaggerating Count, Report Alleges

U.K. May Scrap Coronavirus Daily Death Toll After Experts Find Officials ‘Over-Exaggerating’ Count, Report Alleges

The United Kingdom may scrap its official daily coronavirus death toll counter after a review by Oxford University experts of how the deaths were counted reportedly found that results were being “over-exaggerated.”“The conclusions of the review, which was ordered by Matt Hancock after it emerged...

www.dailywire.com

Pennsylvania Forced To Remove Hundreds Of Deaths From Coronavirus Death Count After Coroners Raise Red Flags

Pennsylvania Forced To Remove Hundreds Of Deaths From Coronavirus Death Count After Coroners Raise Red Flags

Pennsylvania has had to remove hundreds of coronavirus deaths from its official death count this week, following questions of accuracy and highlighted discrepancies by area coroners.The PA health department decided to include “probable” coronavirus deaths, or an assumed COVID-19-related death...

www.dailywire.com

600,000 Mistakenly Told Theyve Had Covid:˜I Have NOT Been Tested"

600,000 Mistakenly Told They’ve Had Covid: ‘I Have NOT Been Tested’

Tricare, a health care program of the United States Department of Defense Military Health System, mistakenly told more than 600,000 people they have had the China-originated novel coronavirus, asking the “COVID-19 survivors” to consider donating blood for research.In a mass email sent on July...

www.dailywire.com

CV19 Tests have many problems including many test for the entire family of coronaviruses (which include common cold), not just CV19 specifically

The Common Cold May Trigger a Positive COVID-19 Antibody Test - LewRockwell

Right now, there are three types of COVID-19 tests:1 Molecular — Also known as a PCR (polymerase chain reaction) test, this test detects whether genetic material of the virus is present in the sample collected from your throat or sputum (the back of your sinuses) Antigen — This test, sometimes...

www.lewrockwell.com

We've learned that the CDC is making, at best, a debilitating mistake: combining test results that diagnose current coronavirus infections with test results that measure whether someone has ever had the virus.

‘How Could the CDC Make That Mistake?’

The government’s disease-fighting agency is conflating viral and antibody tests, compromising a few crucial metrics that governors depend on to reopen their economies. Pennsylvania, Georgia, Texas, and other states are doing the same.

www.theatlantic.com

Minnesota doctor blasts 'ridiculous' CDC coronavirus death count guidelines

Minnesota doctor blasts 'ridiculous' CDC coronavirus death count guidelines

Dr. Scott Jensen, a Minnesota family physician who is also a Republican state senator, told "The Ingraham Angle" Wednesday that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC) guidelines for doctors to certify whether a patient has died of coronavirus are "ridiculous" and could be...

www.foxnews.com

The Most Important Coronavirus Statistic: 42% Of U.S. Deaths Are From 0.6% Of The Population

The Most Important Coronavirus Statistic: 42% Of U.S. Deaths Are From 0.6% Of The Population

A single statistic may hold the key to resolving the ongoing debate over COVID-19 lockdowns: the astounding share of deaths occurring in nursing homes and assisted living facilities.

www.forbes.com

42% of All COVID-19 Deaths Occurred in Nursing Homes

42% of All COVID-19 Deaths Occurred in Nursing Homes - LewRockwell

Early on in the pandemic it became clear that older individuals were at disproportionate risk of severe COVID-19 infection and death. According to an analysis1 conducted by the Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity, which included data reported by May 22, 2020, an average of 42% of all...

www.lewrockwell.com

3 States Account for 42 Percent of All COVID-19 Deaths in America. Why?

3 States Account for 42 Percent of All COVID-19 Deaths in America. Why?

These three states represent just 10 percent of the US population.

fee.org

More Than 40% of U.S. Coronavirus Deaths Are Linked to Nursing Homes

Nearly One-Third of U.S. Coronavirus Deaths Are Linked to Nursing Homes (Published 2021)

The virus has devastated residents and staff members in more than 32,000 long-term care facilities across the country.

www.nytimes.com

Countries that use Hydroxychloroquine have starkly different results from those that don't. Dozens of positive studies on HCQ ignored. https://hcqtrial.com/ https://c19study.com/

Hydroxychloroquine 'very safe,' says Dr. Scott Atlas; blasts 'garbage' medical studies

Hydroxychloroquine uproar shows ‘objective science is nearly dead’: Dr. Scott Atlas

The drug hydroxychloroquine has gotten a bad rap thanks to politics, media hype and some “garbage” medical research, according to Dr. Scott Atlas, who joined the White House coronavirus task force earlier this month.

www.washingtontimes.com

Switzerland provides irrefutable proof that Hydroxychloroquine works

Dr. Fauci Suggested All Kinds of Limits on Churches, Refuses to Do the Same for Leftist Protests https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/3...lies-worship-is-less-important-than-protests/ https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katie...it-protests-spread-wuhan-coronavirus-n2573514

Literally Thousands of Doctors and Scientists Have Come Out Against Fauci’s Lockdowns Including a Nobel Prize-Winning Biophysicist. The Media Just Doesn’t Want You to Know

Literally Thousands of Doctors and Scientists Have Come Out Against Fauci's Lockdowns Including a Nobel Prize-Winning Biophysicist. The Media Just Doesn't Want You to Know

(AP Photo/Alex Brandon) As RedState’s very own Sister Toldjah reported earlier today, the

www.redstate.com

Stanford doctor: Coronavirus fatality rate for people under 45 'almost 0%' https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...on-fatality-rate-for-people-under-45-almost-0

Among people <70 years old, infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 0.57% with median of 0.05% across the different locations (corrected median of 0.04%).

The infection fatality rate of COVID-19 inferred from seroprevalence data

Objective To estimate the infection fatality rate of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) from data of seroprevalence studies. Methods Population studies with sample size of at least 500 and published as peer-reviewed papers or preprints as of July 11, 2020 were retrieved from PubMed, preprint...

www.medrxiv.org

Nobel Prize for Science winner Professor Levitt of Stanford

one of the few who called this thing correctly back in February
with a population fatality rate of 0.04 to 0.05%, largely regardless of lockdown Now calls it again - on how science has let us all down dreadfully:
Hospitals are paid more for Medicare patients confirmed or presumed to have coronavirus

Hospitals are paid more for Medicare patients confirmed or presumed to have coronavirus

If a Medicare patient is diagnosed – or even presumed – to have contracted coronavirus, termed COVID-19, hospitals across the United States are given more money from the federal government, economic assessments show. That amount can so much as triple if the patient requires a ventilator, raising...

www.foxnews.com

Using payment rates for similar respiratory conditions, Kaiser estimated the average Medicare payment at $13,297 for a less severe hospitalization and $40,218 for hospitalization in which a patient is treated with a ventilator for at least 96 hours.

PolitiFact: On hospitals and the possible financial incentive of COVID-19 patients

Medicare is paying a 20 percent add-on to its regular hospital payments for the treatment of COVID-19 victims. That’s a result of a federal stimulus law.

www.tampabay.com

Fact check: Hospitals get paid more if patients listed as COVID-19, on ventilators, rated true

Fact check: Hospitals get paid more if patients listed as COVID-19, on ventilators

Hospitals are paid more for Medicare patients with COVID-19, but a senator who first said that says he doesn't think the system is being gamed.

www.usatoday.com

California Gov. Newsom Bans Singing In Churches

California Gov. Newsom Bans Singing In Churches

Democratic California Gov. Gavin Newsom issued new coronavirus orders Wednesday that ban singing in churches or other places of worship.

dailycaller.com

CDC Quietly Drops Mandatory 14-Day Quarantine After Traveling

CDC Quietly Drops Mandatory 14-Day Quarantine After Traveling

Tourists should still follow the basic sanitary protocols.

www.travelpulse.com

New York paid $69 million for ventilators that never showed up

New York paid $69 million for ventilators that never showed up

New York State paid a Silicon Valley electrical engineer more than $69 million for a ventilators that never arrived, according to a report on Wednesday. Yaron Oren-Pines on March 30 pocketed $69.1 …

nypost.com

Confidential agreement uncovered allowed Pa. car show to happen despite COVID-19 restrictions

Confidential agreement uncovered allowed Pa. car show to happen despite COVID-19 restrictions

Channel 11 has obtained a secret agreement that shows the health secretary allowed a car show near Harrisburg to go on allowing 20,000 people in per day.

www.wpxi.com

IN APRIL: New York antibody study estimates 13.9% of residents have had the coronavirus, Gov. Cuomo says

New York antibody study estimates 13.9% of residents have had the coronavirus, Gov. Cuomo says

The state's mortality rates remains persistently high at about 7.4%. The antibody testing indicates the actual death rate may be far lower.

www.cnbc.com

NYC Contact Tracers Not Permitted to Ask Sick Patients if They Attended a George Floyd Protest

Absurd: NYC Contact Tracers Not Permitted to Ask Sick Patients if They Attended a George Floyd Protest

The supposed army of 1,000+ pandemic contact tracers in New York City will hit a roadblock this week

townhall.com

IF SOMEONE TRIES TO SAY 'MUH COMPLICATIONS' SHOW THEM THIS

SEVERE COMPLICATIONS OF FLU

Cortical Vision Loss as a Prominent Feature of Influenza-induced Encephalopathy

Cortical vision loss as a prominent feature of H1N1 encephalopathy - PubMed

A 20-year-old woman infected with the 2009 H1N1 strain of influenza A developed bilateral visual loss. Brain MRI showed restricted diffusion of the parietal and occipital lobes, and her spinal fluid did not contain inflammatory cells. This report describes an unusual case of H1N1 influenza A...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Myocarditis Associated with Influenza A H1N1pdm2009

Myocarditis Associated with Influenza A H1N1pdm2009 - PMC

Acute myocarditis is a well-known complication of influenza infection. The frequency of myocardial involvement in influenza infection varies widely, with the clinical severity ranging from asymptomatic to fulminant varieties. The worst cases can ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Influenza-related Viral Myocarditis

Influenza-related viral myocarditis - PubMed

Seasonal influenza outbreak is responsible for significant morbidity and mortality around the world. The disease can be severe, leading to rapid worsening of breathing and culminating in death. The pulmonary manifestations are prominent and may mask the involvement of other organs, such as the...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Acute Hemorrhagic Leukoencephalopathy Associated With Influenza A (H1N1) Virus

Acute hemorrhagic leukoencephalopathy associated with influenza A (H1N1) virus - PubMed

This case emphasizes the importance of awareness of this disease. The non-specific signs and symptoms, and the use of sedatives, make diagnosis challenging in the early stages of this disease. If suspected early, appropriate imaging can aid in the diagnosis. Treatment with immunosuppressive...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Influenza-associated seizures in healthy adults

Influenza-associated seizures in healthy adults: Report of 3 cases - PMC

To describe seizures occurring in 3 healthy adults with influenza infection. Seizures associated to influenza infection are rare in adults without encephalitis. Clinical observations of 3 healthy adult patients with influenza A and B infection and ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Five-year-old Brysen got the flu. Weeks later, his legs hurt. Days later, he was paralyzed.

Five-year-old Brysen got the flu. Weeks later, his legs hurt. Days later, he was paralyzed.

Each year Riley Hospital sees about 10 cases of Guillain-Barré Syndrome. It's a rare side effect that can follow a case of the flu.

www.indystar.com

Influenza-Induced Hearing Loss

Influenza-Induced Hearing Loss

[html format="ckeditor" different_values="0"]We all know the common flu symptoms – fever, headaches, sore muscle, sore throat, runny nose, sneezing, dry cough, tiredness – but did you know that the flu can also cause temporary and potentially permanent hearing loss?How temporary hearing loss is...

jta.com.au

Influenza virus associated encephalopathy

Influenza virus associated encephalopathy - PMC

Perspective on the paper by Hosoya et al (see page 469) Keywords: encephalopathy, influenza

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Neurologic complications of influenza in children

Neurologic complications of influenza in children | Contemporary Pediatrics

Influenza-associated neurologic complications in children are rare but can be severe. Familiarity with the clinical presentation and frequency of specific neurologic findings can help pediatricians with early diagnosis and treatment.

www.contemporarypediatrics.com

Acute Hepatitis and Liver Failure Associated With Influenza A Infection in Children

Acute Hepatitis and Liver Failure Associated With Influenza ... : Journal of Pediatric Gastroenterology and Nutrition

An abstract is unavailable.

journals.lww.com

A child with acute liver failure associated with influenza A

SAGE Journals: Your gateway to world-class research journals

Subscription and open access journals from SAGE Publishing, the world's leading independent academic publisher.

journals.sagepub.com

Viremia Induced by Influenza Virus

Viremia induced by influenza virus - PubMed

A mouse model of influenza A/PR/8 virus infection was adopted to investigate the blood and various tissues of intranasally infected mice for the presence of viral RNA by using the nested polymerase chain reaction. The nucleoprotein gene was detected in the red blood cell fraction from 1 to 5...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Influenza A Viral Infection Associated With Acute Renal Failure

Influenza A viral infection associated with acute renal failure - PubMed

The clinical and laboratory findings in four cases of acute renal failure following the onset of influenza A viral infection (Port Chalmers/1/73) are presented. Although the pathophysiologic mechanisms affecting the kidney in these cases varied, the ensuing renal failure in each patient was...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Mechanisms of Multi-Organ Failure in Severe Influenza

[Mechanisms of multi-organ failure in severe influenza] - PubMed

Severe influenza is characterized by cytokine storm and multi-organ failure with edema. We found that the "influenza virus-cytokine-trypsin/MMP-9 cycle" in the endothelial cells is one of the key mechanisms of vascular hyperpermeability, the major pathogen of multi-organ failure. Upregulated...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Influenza A with hemorrhagic shock and encephalopathy syndrome in an adult

Influenza A with hemorrhagic shock and encephalopathy... : Medicine

ysfunctions. It is extremely rare in adults, and the number of reports is limited worldwide. We report the case of an adult patient with HSES, which occurred after influenza A infection. Patient concerns: A 52-year-old man visited his family doctor 2 days after he noticed fever and was...

journals.lww.com

California doctors say they've seen more deaths from suicide than coronavirus since lockdowns (this was quickly "fact checked" but never disproven, the fact checkers used month old data to fact check it)

California doctors say they've seen more deaths from suicide than coronavirus since lockdowns

Doctors in Northern California say they have seen more deaths from suicide than they’ve seen from the coronavirus during the pandemic.“The numbers are

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Cuomo gave immunity to nursing home executives after big campaign donations

Cuomo gave immunity to nursing home executives after big campaign donations

Critics say data proves New York’s liability shield is linked to higher nursing home death rates during the pandemic

www.theguardian.com

(IN MAY) One-Third of All U.S.Coronavirus Deaths Are Nursing Home Residents or Workers

One-Third of All U.S. Coronavirus Deaths Are Nursing Home Residents or Workers (Published 2020)

In at least 14 states, more than half of coronavirus deaths are tied to long-term care facilities for older adults, according to a New York Times database.

www.nytimes.com

(IN JULY) COVID-19 is close to losing its epidemic status in the U.S., according to the CDC

COVID-19 is close to losing its epidemic status in the U.S., according to the CDC

The percentage of coronavirus deaths in the country has been declining for ten straight weeks.

justthenews.com

WHO: Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China

WHO haunted by January tweet saying China found no human transmission of coronavirus

In a January tweet, the World Health Organization (WHO) cited Chinese health officials who claimed there had been no human transmissions of the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) within the country yet.

www.foxnews.com

Trump Attacked by Dems & Press for China Travel Ban

FLASHBACK: Let’s Take A Look At How The Press Covered Trump’s China Travel Ban

Media outlets bashed Trump in January after he issued a travel ban from China because of the coronavirus – a move that many other countries have now followed.

dailycaller.com

Top 20 months of excess deaths for Sweden. April barely broke the top 20, didn't even beat bad flu years.



KNOWN IN MARCH: Inaccurate Virus Models (MADE BY POLITICALLY FUNDED GROUPS) Are Panicking Officials Into Ill-Advised Lockdowns

Inaccurate Virus Models Are Panicking Officials Into Ill-advised Lockdowns

How a handful of Democratic activists created alarming, but inaccurate data to scare local and state officials into making rash, economy-killing mandates.

thefederalist.com

Controversial press conference held by two Bakersfield doctors that was pulled down by YouTube IN APRIL STATING EXACTLY WHAT WE KNOW NOW

Watch controversial press conference held by two Bakersfield doctors that was pulled down by YouTube

On April 24th, two Bakersfield doctors, Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi, help a press conference questioning the California's stay-at-home order. The video was later pulled by YouTube.

www.turnto23.com

Mississippi Coroner Says State's Coronavirus Death Tally Is Misleading, Causing 'Unnecessary Fear In The Public'

MS Coroner Says COVID Death Tally In State Is Misleading, Causing Fear

The coroner said in a Facebook post that felt compelled to say something because of the "many facebook google experts and politicians with politically driven agendas driven by money reporting information that is twisted and false to the public."

www.newsweek.com

DeSoto Co. coroner says coronavirus death numbers in Mississippi may be misleading

Coroner accuses Pa. Health Dept. of 'Monday morning quarterbacking' coronavirus deaths

Coroner accuses Pa. Health Dept. of ‘Monday morning quarterbacking’ coronavirus deaths

Sullivan County Coroner Wendy Hastings is puzzled why the state attributes one death in that county to COVID-19.

www.pennlive.com

Montgomery County coroner says COVID-19 death toll is inaccurate

Montgomery County coroner says COVID-19 death toll is inaccurate

Coroner refuses to rule COVID-19 as cause of death of six-week-old baby after Connecticut governor claimed toddler was 'youngest coronavirus victim in the world'

Coroner refuses to say COVID-19 is cause of death of six-week-old baby

Connecticut Governor Ned Lamont (pictured) last week said that a six-week-old baby who died in a Hartford hospital (inset) tested positive for COVID-19.

www.dailymail.co.uk

NURSE WHISTLEBLOWER (with proof): MAJOR NYC HOSPITALS KILLING PATIENTS, GROUPING CV19 AND nonCV19 TOGETHER, HEALTHY PATIENTS PUT ON VENTS, MUCH MORE

New York Undercover Nurse Confirms COVID-19 Criminal Hoax

Erin Marie Olszewski is a Nurse-turned-investigative journalist, who has spent the last few months on the frontlines of the coronavirus pandemic, on the inside in two radically different settings. Two hospitals. One private, the other public. One in Florida, the other in New York. And not just...

banned.video

Legendary post

 

[JORMBO]

Looks like another 3 months of heavy restrictions again. My town had 4 cases the last month and 0 deaths.....

Pa. Gov. Tom Wolf renews the COVID-19 disaster declaration for another 90 days

The governor on Monday renewed the declaration that provides for increased support to state agencies involved in the continued response to the coronavirus as well as relief from certain regulations.

www.pennlive.com

Pennsylvania coronavirus business restrictions to continue past Election Day, per governor's order

Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Wolf has extended by 90 days the state’s COVID-19 disaster emergency proclamation, pushing some business regulations past Election

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[DeepBreath87]

Looks like another 3 months of heavy restrictions again. My town had 4 cases the last month and 0 deaths.....

Pa. Gov. Tom Wolf renews the COVID-19 disaster declaration for another 90 days

The governor on Monday renewed the declaration that provides for increased support to state agencies involved in the continued response to the coronavirus as well as relief from certain regulations.

www.pennlive.com

Wolf such a asshole. 2/3 of PA's deaths are from nursing homes. There have been about 2500 deaths in the general public. Not to mention he's a complete slime ball who won't release documents about how he selected which businesses he was going to force to close.

 

[A.Romero]

I'm not American and it's been a while since a I came to this thread last time.

Is anyone willing to explain what is the theory behind the idea of all this being a hoax? Who is lying, why are they doing it and if they succeeded or not?

 

[cryptoadam]

I'm not American and it's been a while since a I came to this thread last time.

Is anyone willing to explain what is the theory behind the idea of all this being a hoax? Who is lying, why are they doing it and if they succeeded or not?

Hoax is that this is the plague that will kill millions. Basically anyone under 70 has a 0-.5% chance of dying from this virus.

The liars are people in government, why did they do it? for power, to get rid of Trump, because they screwed up at the beginning and don't want to admit their error. They are lying for power and to cover their asses.

All I can tell you is where I live we have pretty much defeated the virus. about 20-50 cases a day and we have been open since May 25th. Masks only mandated on July 18th. Maybe 3-10 people die a week.

We had about 3500 deaths here. 86% were people in old age homes where the average life span is basically 2 years, so these were people who were on their death beds. Under 50 20 people died. Under 60 it was less than 100. Under 70 it was about 300. My city has 2 million people and is the 2nd or 3rd biggest city in Canada. Its a pretty big metro area. We were the epicenter of Canada, more deaths then all other provinces and cities combined. Yet if you go outside of homes where people were going to die within 2 years and take out sick and old people you are probably left with like 5 or 10 healthy people that died from this virus.

Destroying our economy, small business, restaurants, childrens education, indebted future generations all for a virus that was a barely a blip for anyone not old or sick. And our lockdown was not some giant lockdown, during the whole lock down everyone complained it wasn't strict enough and were cursing our leadership for reopening May 25th and how the city wasn't ready and a 2nd wave will kill us all.

So maybe in other places it was worse I don't live there. But where I live we ruined peoples lives over an overblown virus. All we had to do was protect the elderly and instead our Mayor and PM murdered them with no dignity while destroying peoples livelyhoods and stunding 10's of thousands of childrens growth.

 

[diffusionx]

That's a different argument. Either the virus leads to premature deaths or it doesn't.

If it does, then premature deaths are not "a hoax" produced by the medical system, but a consequence of the virus leading people to die earlier than they would otherwise have done. We can acknowledge this without resorting to hysteria, or pre-judging the results of the eventual cost-analysis.

But interestingly, that analysis would require us putting a figure on the worth of each extra year of life. Insurers seem to have agreed that a Quality-Adjusted Life-Year (QALY) is worth around $50,000, for a "healthy" year of life. So if each victim loses only 5 healthy life years, and we have 200,000 victims, that would be a "loss" of $50 trillion.

You need to do the cost-analysis, immediately, at the very beginning, and continue to do it. We have destroyed a generation of people with this lockdown, and we have ruined cities for potentially decades. You may think this sounds hysterical? Well, studies have shown that the earning power of people *over their whole lives* is strongly associated with the time they entered the market. For millenials, who already got their financial futures upended in 2008, it is happening again, and now it is happening to zoomers.

So my first thought, as someone who is quite familiar with these matters, is what are we doing this for? A sick 80 year old, in a nursing home, consuming massive amounts of health care resources, and not contributing anything economically, does not have a QALY price tag of $50,000. He just doesn't. In fact, I would say he has a QALY tag of $0, because he doesn't have any more "healthy life years."

I am not saying this to say this guy should die. I am saying this because the guy WILL die, very soon. And this absolutely must be taken into account if you're talking about implementing measures that purposefully destroy the economy and lock people into isolation situations the human mind is absolutely not built to cope with. For how long must 25 and 35 year olds be unable to work on their careers or put food on their families' plates all to avoid getting a virus they aren't going to avoid getting and will recover from without problem? They will not die, but the strain and stress of the isolation and uncertainty and constant fear mongering will probably be with them and hurt their entire lives.

I'm not American and it's been a while since a I came to this thread last time.

Is anyone willing to explain what is the theory behind the idea of all this being a hoax? Who is lying, why are they doing it and if they succeeded or not?

When people say this is a hoax, they are not saying that a virus called SARS-COV2 does not exist. The virus exists, and it does kill a certain cohort of people, just as pneumonia or flu does.

When people say this is a hoax, they are saying that:

01. The doomsday scenarios around COVID were predicated on bullshit, alarmist, hysterically bad models.
02. The lockdown was predicated on those doomsday models, thus total bullshit, and mass hysteria not sound science (mostly, at least in the US, idiot Rudy Gobert coming down with it).
03. Our health care systems were able to handle the virus just fine.
04. The COVID spread during the lockdown was not nearly as bad as they claimed it was (hospital systems LAID OFF people during a global pandemic, and nurses made TikTok dancing videos)
05. Hospital systems get overloaded by influenza every few years.
06. COVID has an extremely low mortality rate despite what people claimed.
07. COVID only kills old and fat people, and in no other time has a mass lockdown been instituted primarily for only small cohorts of the population.
08. Even though the government knew who this killed, they still did things like send elderly covid patients into nursing homes to infect tons of people.
09. Early on, the media and tech companies banned all scientific discussion of the virus that didn't approve with the official narrative, despite the fact that even the official narrative was that we didn't have all the answers. Thus proving this wasn't about "the science" but about who was powerful enough to approve a POV.
10. Case counts and CFR were totally bogus and had no basis in reality.
11. The government incentivized hospitals to inflate COVID counts, and got high COVID counts. Virtually every "revision" of case/death/hospitalization is a revision down
12. COVID poses virtually zero risk to healthy, working age people, and are paying the price despite virtually no risk.
13. The mechanisms of the virus are poorly understood, and nobody has proven that widespread mask mandates, micromanaging of lives, and other measures actually do what they say it does.
14. The lockdown has been far worse than the virus - the economy has been destroyed, millions of people can't feed their families, mental health problems are out of control, and small businesses are dying left and right.
15. The same media and government officials that spent months trumpeting the lockdown and blasting anyone who stood against it abandoned it as soon as people started rioting in the streets.
16. The media and certain government officials immediately moved to smear and ban a potentially promising treatment only because Trump said it might be a promising treatment, thus proving this was totally politicized.
17. The lockdown has made some politically connected people an incredible amount of wealth. Nobody has spoken about how Jeff Bezos makes tons of money from the lockdown while owning a newspaper that prints tons of alarmist pro lockdown stuff every single day.
18. The government has, in violation of the Constitution, chosen what rights can and cannot be violated depending on the political viewpoint (e.g., cannot go to church, but can burn down a church as long as it is in a BLM protest). Cities have done things like shut down licensed and restaurants while disgusting "riot ribs" are allowed to serve looters and vandals openly.
19. Lockdown tyrants found this basically unlimited power to shut down businesses at will, mandate what people can wear, mandate what they can do, mandate who they can interact with, and have shown no interest in giving it up. Even as case counts and deaths plummet, there is no letdown in the lockdown rules.
20. The media and government is now using this to muddle the election, eliminate debates, and install a senile President who cannot engage with the public.


Bottom line, the massive power grab by the government, the way they have micromanaged our lives, is unprecedented, and all in service to a virus that is, at worst, marginally worse than the flu.

 

[cryptoadam]

Also keep in mind with the times article that up to 90% of positives are people who are not contagious and shouldn't be isolated or contact trace and you can see all these case numbers that feed the fear porn hysteria were BS. When everyone was stressing about the case count going up and up hitting 20K 30K etc... all BS. Who knows how many of those were actually contagious and not just having live virus. Could be 50% could be 90%. We had an NFL team test positive and then 2 weeks later is was like nope none of them are positive back to work.

We know that China was sending defective kits all over the place. Kits were over sensitive. For all we know they could of been detecting all the other rhino viruses. You have shitty kits that give you false positives, dedected non contagious virus, and other viruses. Add in antibody testing in there too which a lot of places did.

And what do you have is totally fake made up numbers flashing on your TV screen scaring you into think the virus is running out of control growing non stop and the only way to end it is to wear a piece of cloth on your face, cut off all contact with humanity and lock yourself into your home. All based on bad tests that don't even tell you if you are infectious or not.

 

[DeepBreath87]

The last 2 posts are basically on the money. It's a nasty virus. It sucks. But we are destroying out way of life for it. That is a VAST overreaction. And it's counterproductive.

As soon as we realized that basically anyone under 50 who is not already chronically sick was pretty safe from this, statistically, our strategy should've changed. And it didn't. We can all speculate about why that is, but the media and some "experts" have been peddling vague bullshit for months about how "everyone is at risk". That was never the question. The question was how much risk, and for some reason, they don't want people to be comforted by the fact that people under 50 are fairly safe.

 

[A.Romero]

Hoax is that this is the plague that will kill millions. Basically anyone under 70 has a 0-.5% chance of dying from this virus.

The liars are people in government, why did they do it? for power, to get rid of Trump, because they screwed up at the beginning and don't want to admit their error. They are lying for power and to cover their asses.

All I can tell you is where I live we have pretty much defeated the virus. about 20-50 cases a day and we have been open since May 25th. Masks only mandated on July 18th. Maybe 3-10 people die a week.

We had about 3500 deaths here. 86% were people in old age homes where the average life span is basically 2 years, so these were people who were on their death beds. Under 50 20 people died. Under 60 it was less than 100. Under 70 it was about 300. My city has 2 million people and is the 2nd or 3rd biggest city in Canada. Its a pretty big metro area. We were the epicenter of Canada, more deaths then all other provinces and cities combined. Yet if you go outside of homes where people were going to die within 2 years and take out sick and old people you are probably left with like 5 or 10 healthy people that died from this virus.

Destroying our economy, small business, restaurants, childrens education, indebted future generations all for a virus that was a barely a blip for anyone not old or sick. And our lockdown was not some giant lockdown, during the whole lock down everyone complained it wasn't strict enough and were cursing our leadership for reopening May 25th and how the city wasn't ready and a 2nd wave will kill us all.

So maybe in other places it was worse I don't live there. But where I live we ruined peoples lives over an overblown virus. All we had to do was protect the elderly and instead our Mayor and PM murdered them with no dignity while destroying peoples livelyhoods and stunding 10's of thousands of childrens growth.

You need to do the cost-analysis, immediately, at the very beginning, and continue to do it. We have destroyed a generation of people with this lockdown, and we have ruined cities for potentially decades. You may think this sounds hysterical? Well, studies have shown that the earning power of people *over their whole lives* is strongly associated with the time they entered the market. For millenials, who already got their financial futures upended in 2008, it is happening again, and now it is happening to zoomers.

So my first thought, as someone who is quite familiar with these matters, is what are we doing this for? A sick 80 year old, in a nursing home, consuming massive amounts of health care resources, and not contributing anything economically, does not have a QALY price tag of $50,000. He just doesn't. In fact, I would say he has a QALY tag of $0, because he doesn't have any more "healthy life years."

I am not saying this to say this guy should die. I am saying this because the guy WILL die, very soon. And this absolutely must be taken into account if you're talking about implementing measures that purposefully destroy the economy and lock people into isolation situations the human mind is absolutely not built to cope with. For how long must 25 and 35 year olds be unable to work on their careers or put food on their families' plates all to avoid getting a virus they aren't going to avoid getting and will recover from without problem? They will not die, but the strain and stress of the isolation and uncertainty and constant fear mongering will probably be with them and hurt their entire lives.




When people say this is a hoax, they are not saying that a virus called SARS-COV2 does not exist. The virus exists, and it does kill a certain cohort of people, just as pneumonia or flu does.

When people say this is a hoax, they are saying that:

01. The doomsday scenarios around COVID were predicated on bullshit, alarmist, hysterically bad models.
02. The lockdown was predicated on those doomsday models, thus total bullshit, and mass hysteria not sound science (mostly, at least in the US, idiot Rudy Gobert coming down with it).
03. Our health care systems were able to handle the virus just fine.
04. The COVID spread during the lockdown was not nearly as bad as they claimed it was (hospital systems LAID OFF people during a global pandemic, and nurses made TikTok dancing videos)
05. Hospital systems get overloaded by influenza every few years.
06. COVID has an extremely low mortality rate despite what people claimed.
07. COVID only kills old and fat people, and in no other time has a mass lockdown been instituted primarily for only small cohorts of the population.
08. Even though the government knew who this killed, they still did things like send elderly covid patients into nursing homes to infect tons of people.
09. Early on, the media and tech companies banned all scientific discussion of the virus that didn't approve with the official narrative, despite the fact that even the official narrative was that we didn't have all the answers. Thus proving this wasn't about "the science" but about who was powerful enough to approve a POV.
10. Case counts and CFR were totally bogus and had no basis in reality.
11. The government incentivized hospitals to inflate COVID counts, and got high COVID counts. Virtually every "revision" of case/death/hospitalization is a revision down
12. COVID poses virtually zero risk to healthy, working age people, and are paying the price despite virtually no risk.
13. The mechanisms of the virus are poorly understood, and nobody has proven that widespread mask mandates, micromanaging of lives, and other measures actually do what they say it does.
14. The lockdown has been far worse than the virus - the economy has been destroyed, millions of people can't feed their families, mental health problems are out of control, and small businesses are dying left and right.
15. The same media and government officials that spent months trumpeting the lockdown and blasting anyone who stood against it abandoned it as soon as people started rioting in the streets.
16. The media and certain government officials immediately moved to smear and ban a potentially promising treatment only because Trump said it might be a promising treatment, thus proving this was totally politicized.
17. The lockdown has made some politically connected people an incredible amount of wealth. Nobody has spoken about how Jeff Bezos makes tons of money from the lockdown while owning a newspaper that prints tons of alarmist pro lockdown stuff every single day.
18. The government has, in violation of the Constitution, chosen what rights can and cannot be violated depending on the political viewpoint (e.g., cannot go to church, but can burn down a church as long as it is in a BLM protest). Cities have done things like shut down licensed and restaurants while disgusting "riot ribs" are allowed to serve looters and vandals openly.
19. Lockdown tyrants found this basically unlimited power to shut down businesses at will, mandate what people can wear, mandate what they can do, mandate who they can interact with, and have shown no interest in giving it up. Even as case counts and deaths plummet, there is no letdown in the lockdown rules.
20. The media and government is now using this to muddle the election, eliminate debates, and install a senile President who cannot engage with the public.


Bottom line, the massive power grab by the government, the way they have micromanaged our lives, is unprecedented, and all in service to a virus that is, at worst, marginally worse than the flu.

Thanks for the extensive response.

What do you think of other countries where Trump is not a factor and are still taking similar measures? Just following blindly what the US does or doesn't do or do they have similar purposes and just took advantage of the hype?

What do you think of people of low risk of dead carrying the virus around and infecting people with high risk unknowingly?

Also, what kind of stuff has the government seek or accomplished by purposely destroying the economy and micromanaging people's lives?

Do you think there is a possibility that:

a) Governments responded in a certain way out of precaution because at the time it could have seem worse?

b) Without the steps that have been taken worldwide the results could have been worse?

 

[diffusionx]

Thanks for the extensive response.

What do you think of other countries where Trump is not a factor and are still taking similar measures? Just following blindly what the US does or doesn't do or do they have similar purposes and just took advantage of the hype?

Enough to worry about in my own neck of the woods.

What do you think of people of low risk of dead carrying the virus around and infecting people with high risk unknowingly?

Well, you can pose this question with, you know, every other virus that has ever existed. People can understand the nature of the risk and take precautions as necessary. If I am under the weather I am not out there coughing on my 89 year old grandma. If I am out there being told I may be making other people sick without me knowing it (btw the evidence of this is not really there) I will take extra precautions.

But the fact is, that "people of low risk of dead carrying the virus around and infecting people with high risk unknowingly" is probably ALL that happened during the lockdown, as everybody was, you know, forced inside under the same roof indefinitely. A survey came out in May or so in New York that said most new cases were from people who were supposed to be locked down. Hence, spreading was a "family thing."

Also, what kind of stuff has the government seek or accomplished by purposely destroying the economy and micromanaging people's lives?

Read 1984 man. Sometimes power is attractive for power's sake. Like I said rich and connected people have benefited greatly as small businesses die. I do think that certain elements of the government and media had an interest in destroying the economy and keeping Trump from running a proper re-election campaign, as well as installing Dementia Joe.

Do you think there is a possibility that:

a) Governments responded in a certain way out of precaution because at the time it could have seem worse?

b) Without the steps that have been taken worldwide the results could have been worse?

Like I said, governments responded to a hysterical, laughably bad model by a moron named Neil Ferguson who has made a career of selling these hysterical models to dumb people running governments. Yes a good chunk of it was CYA, but again, that is mass hysteria for you.

Define "worse outcome". As many have said, the official numbers floated around are fictitious. The case numbers have absolutely no basis in reality and the death counts are greased up due to the official policy of not making the distinction between dying "of COVID" and "with COVID" (except for one case, George Floyd). So that said, we have a destroyed economy, ruined cities, rioters burning down legitimate businesses, mass mental health problems, exploding crime, etc. How could the outcome have been worse?