NeoGAF Ban Review/Justice Project

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Just not a big fan of "goto Perm, go directly to Perm do not get a warning, do not get the opportunity to learn a lesson" approach to forum moderation that comes up at times.

Theory and practice;

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Nahh, he asked a question. He didn't state there was no victim in drawing a child. I mean, i don't get anime, its fucking weird tbh, but a cartoon isn't real, no matter how weird it is. This is a real broken eggshell thing to say but, what's the difference between outrage of a cartoon of mohammed and outrage over [pick a cartoon showing any subject].

Besides, 3 others sometimes trolled by going right up to the line. I think he just mispoke, people paniced because of the history of Gaf, catalysed by the fact that it was in the REEE thread and we have the perfect storm.

Ban him for stupidity, sure. Ban him for knowingly take the convo in to dodgy ground, sure. But perm'd? Nahh. He was Ami v2 in the making.
That's a shame! Not only because he liked some of my shit but also because he seemde to be one of the nicer guys in here. Well, as long as Tesseract stays, I guess it'll be fine.
 
Pretty much. I don't think fair or reasonable to perm people for crossing a line that isn't explicitly laid out. Mods should have intervened in terms of the topic in the first place. Bad call.
Sigh.
 
I get why he got the boot. Doesn't mean it wasn't justified when i say i don't usually like perms.
 
EviLore EviLore

Feel free to delete/move this post if appropriate

I noticed that a new account can immediately (Or atleast very quickly) sign up for gold, and the Neo Member status isn't shown; at that point, do you guys still monitor their first posts?
 
i liked and 3 others, i thought his posts were good, but defending drawings of CP is disgusting. some things deserve to be 0 tolerance and this is one
This isn't as much an Account Suicide is it's a goodbye. I won't be here with an alt account pretending to not be me. So, after having my 'and 3 others' account permabanned, the only recourse was to email to someone @ GAF asking (nicely) for a reconsideration, which either didn't make it's way to a person, or fell on deaf ears.

Now, for those of you who were saying "I didn't know he was like that". I was in no way advocating; promoting, or arguing for CP. I was merely trying to get NI to argue where and why the line is set. For those who may know, I've been an avid lurker on GAF for a long time, and (was) a member for 10 months. As such, I've come to understand certain sections of GAF are policed more heavily. However, the day I was banned, I was just jumping around from section to section, and thread to thread.

I never heard, seen, or experienced any policy in which I ever thought me just asking a question like the one I did, would get me permayeeted. Add to the fact sometimes I like to push Nobody Important to see if I can find some of his cracks, as I find him one of the most disingenuous poster on GAF.

Normally I'd take the ban and slink off, but due to several instances in my life over the course of the last 2 weeks and social isolation, GAF felt even more like a community in which I belonged to. Furthering that feeling of isolation.

I would like to apologize to anyone who took offense to my posts, and to the mods who I respected, even when I thought they were to harsh (my circumstances included), and i apologize for making a new account, and this one being banned soon too.

I want to thank all the cool people I'd met here, and even those who I 100% disagreed with politically, a few of which in private messages, we were able to find common ground, and it humanized them outside of me just mocking them with a few words or pictures.

And to thank EviLore for 1) opening up non-paid email signups. Due to a long list of circumstances, I never got one, and therefore was never before able to sign up. And 2) for not buckling, and not giving up, and not selling GAF when the crazies tried to burn it down. Guess I'll just go back to lurking for another 10 years.

I shall now piss off into the sunset. Pray for me that I get a PlayStation 5 soon. Auf Wiedersehen.
 
This isn't as much an Account Suicide is it's a goodbye. I won't be here with an alt account pretending to not be me. So, after having my 'and 3 others' account permabanned, the only recourse was to email to someone @ GAF asking (nicely) for a reconsideration, which either didn't make it's way to a person, or fell on deaf ears.

Now, for those of you who were saying "I didn't know he was like that". I was in no way advocating; promoting, or arguing for CP. I was merely trying to get NI to argue where and why the line is set. For those who may know, I've been an avid lurker on GAF for a long time, and (was) a member for 10 months. As such, I've come to understand certain sections of GAF are policed more heavily. However, the day I was banned, I was just jumping around from section to section, and thread to thread.

I never heard, seen, or experienced any policy in which I ever thought me just asking a question like the one I did, would get me permayeeted. Add to the fact sometimes I like to push Nobody Important to see if I can find some of his cracks, as I find him one of the most disingenuous poster on GAF.

Normally I'd take the ban and slink off, but due to several instances in my life over the course of the last 2 weeks and social isolation, GAF felt even more like a community in which I belonged to. Furthering that feeling of isolation.

I would like to apologize to anyone who took offense to my posts, and to the mods who I respected, even when I thought they were to harsh (my circumstances included), and i apologize for making a new account, and this one being banned soon too.

I want to thank all the cool people I'd met here, and even those who I 100% disagreed with politically, a few of which in private messages, we were able to find common ground, and it humanized them outside of me just mocking them with a few words or pictures.

And to thank EviLore for 1) opening up non-paid email signups. Due to a long list of circumstances, I never got one, and therefore was never before able to sign up. And 2) for not buckling, and not giving up, and not selling GAF when the crazies tried to burn it down. Guess I'll just go back to lurking for another 10 years.

I shall now piss off into the sunset. Pray for me that I get a PlayStation 5 soon. Auf Wiedersehen.

Just checked support email and didn't receive anything from you. What address did you use?
 
Just checked support email and didn't receive anything from you. What address did you use?
I Googled "neogaf contact info" and was given a link I eventually found. it asked for my name, my email address. Can you just make sure my GAF Gold subscription is un-checked please. While I will continue to enjoy browsing this site as a lurker, I don't love ya'll that much. ;) Thanks again.
 
I wanted to pop in to say that I got a post deleted in politics and yes, sure it was trollish. Not that you need or probably care about my acknowledgement, but nevertheless you have it.

But you we get to see things like these in the politics board :

The other day I got thrown in my face a post I made in 2012, 8 years ago. Did I fall for that bait? Yeah, hard. But is it OK trawling through users post histories for things they don't even remember posting?

Mind you, I don't keep a record of these things, they're just recent examples that I happen to remember. And they all go unmoderated. And it's not just me, other posters who post left get the same treatment (as you can see, from their inclusion in those gifs/jgps).

Overtime, in the context of the politics forum, has the quality of my posts degraded? Yes. Have I become standoffish and defensive? Yes. Have I been trolling back? Yes.

But what can I say, other than if you post against the grain the Politics forum feels nothing but a troll contest. At a certain point it becomes just a matter of "I'll stubbornly say things you don't agree with and I'll troll back at you".

Anyways, I hope that didn't come off as too ranty.

edit: removed the url quotes, at least in my browser they seem to mess up with the links.
 
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I wanted to pop in to say that I got a post deleted in politics and yes, sure it was trollish. Not that you need or probably care about my acknowledgement, but nevertheless you have it.

But you we get to see things like these in the politics board :

The other day I got thrown in my face a post I made in 2012, 8 years ago. Did I fall for that bait? Yeah, hard. But is it OK trawling through users post histories for things they don't even remember posting?

Mind you, I don't keep a record of these things, they're just recent examples that I happen to remember. And they all go unmoderated. And it's not just me, other posters who post left get the same treatment (as you can see, from their inclusion in those gifs/jgps).

Overtime, in the context of the politics forum, has the quality of my posts degraded? Yes. Have I become standoffish and defensive? Yes. Have I been trolling back? Yes.

But what can I say, other than if you post against the grain the Politics forum feels nothing but a troll contest. At a certain point it becomes just a matter of "I'll stubbornly say things you don't agree with and I'll troll back at you".

Anyways, I hope that didn't come off as too ranty.

edit: removed the url quotes, at least in my browser they seem to mess up with the links.
Politics section has threads about a guy driving a jet ski to get some pussy and about how some woman got the cold shoulder from retard who she left her husband for..

I dont think its for serious discussions at this point😂
 
Sounds like the free market speaking to me, Bitmap Frogs Bitmap Frogs . I've never seen one of your original posts be based on real, solid content, and your replies are usually flippant dismissals and distractions from the matter at hand.

I don't watch you 24/7, but that's what I've observed every time I do pop in.

As far as the others go, you're far better than an SF Kosmo or a Swamp Donkey, so the reaction there should also make sense.

You can sob to the teacher that the other children don't like you, but it doesn't really solve the matter at hand. Even if you 'Mods halp' out their tongues, it still changes nothing about how people feel about you. They're more likely to just ignore you than anything.

You've kind of routed around a wake-up call, wherein you could meaningfully change yourself, but choose to live in an illusion instead.
 
I wanted to pop in to say that I got a post deleted in politics and yes, sure it was trollish. Not that you need or probably care about my acknowledgement, but nevertheless you have it.

But you we get to see things like these in the politics board :

The other day I got thrown in my face a post I made in 2012, 8 years ago. Did I fall for that bait? Yeah, hard. But is it OK trawling through users post histories for things they don't even remember posting?

Mind you, I don't keep a record of these things, they're just recent examples that I happen to remember. And they all go unmoderated. And it's not just me, other posters who post left get the same treatment (as you can see, from their inclusion in those gifs/jgps).

Overtime, in the context of the politics forum, has the quality of my posts degraded? Yes. Have I become standoffish and defensive? Yes. Have I been trolling back? Yes.

But what can I say, other than if you post against the grain the Politics forum feels nothing but a troll contest. At a certain point it becomes just a matter of "I'll stubbornly say things you don't agree with and I'll troll back at you".

Anyways, I hope that didn't come off as too ranty.

edit: removed the url quotes, at least in my browser they seem to mess up with the links.

You're crying about troll posts in a troll thread made by a troll OP. Serious threads made in good faith garner serious discussion. Hold your own to account for flinging shit instead of those flinging it back in their face.
 
Bitmap Frogs Bitmap Frogs solidarity mate, but this is part in parcel with going on a forum - especially if the views you've gathered over your entirely valid life to date differ from those of the majority. Just get good at recognizing when they're ignoring your point and attacking your person/dropping memes/regurgitating one liners/distributing slurs, that's generally a sign that they cbf taking on a valid point. I've foregone the politics forum, and this whole place feels a lot nicer now ^_^ let's go shoot the shit about cyberpunk loll

You won't change the world by convincing a few people on a forum to shake beliefs that they can reinforce any hour of the day with a quick phone search

EDIT: saiyonara "and 3 others" you deceptively named desceptor you
 
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Sounds like the free market speaking to me, Bitmap Frogs Bitmap Frogs . I've never seen one of your original posts be based on real, solid content, and your replies are usually flippant dismissals and distractions from the matter at hand.

I don't watch you 24/7, but that's what I've observed every time I do pop in.

As far as the others go, you're far better than an SF Kosmo or a Swamp Donkey, so the reaction there should also make sense.

You can sob to the teacher that the other children don't like you, but it doesn't really solve the matter at hand. Even if you 'Mods halp' out their tongues, it still changes nothing about how people feel about you. They're more likely to just ignore you than anything.

You've kind of routed around a wake-up call, wherein you could meaningfully change yourself, but choose to live in an illusion instead.

How surprising to see you here lobbying to keep intact the right to systematically troll leftist posters.

Meanwhile, you don't even have the decency to acknowledge that any of the examples I cited are out of line.

I find disgusting that that you're crying about a "wake up call ignored" when I just quoted posts from repeated offenders that deserve way more than a "wake up call" that you appear to be tacitly endorsing.

You're invested in keeping the politics subforum openly hostile to anyone who either doesn't post right or consents to the constant barrage of personal attacks.
 
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How surprising to see you here lobbying to keep intact the right to systematically troll leftist posters.

Meanwhile, you don't even have the decency to acknowledge that any of the examples I cited are out of line.

I find disgusting that that you're crying about a "wake up call ignored" when I just quoted posts from repeated offenders that deserve way more than a "wake up call" that you appear to be tacitly endorsing.

You're invested in keeping the politics subforum openly hostile to anyone who either doesn't post right or consents to the constant barrage of personal attacks.

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Sounds like the free market speaking to me, Bitmap Frogs Bitmap Frogs . I've never seen one of your original posts be based on real, solid content, and your replies are usually flippant dismissals and distractions from the matter at hand.

I don't watch you 24/7, but that's what I've observed every time I do pop in.

As far as the others go, you're far better than an SF Kosmo or a Swamp Donkey, so the reaction there should also make sense.

You can sob to the teacher that the other children don't like you, but it doesn't really solve the matter at hand. Even if you 'Mods halp' out their tongues, it still changes nothing about how people feel about you. They're more likely to just ignore you than anything.

You've kind of routed around a wake-up call, wherein you could meaningfully change yourself, but choose to live in an illusion instead.
Please understand Bitmap Frogs Bitmap Frogs has had his well being threatened due to his political views on here. So he's relayed to me. So maybe there is something to that board being waaay to hostile to certain users.
 
Bitmap Frogs Bitmap Frogs solidarity mate, but this is part in parcel with going on a forum - especially if the views you've gathered over your entirely valid life to date differ from those of the majority. Just get good at recognizing when they're ignoring your point and attacking your person/dropping memes/regurgitating one liners/distributing slurs, that's generally a sign that they cbf taking on a valid point. I've foregone the politics forum, and this whole place feels a lot nicer now ^_^ let's go shoot the shit about cyberpunk loll

You won't change the world by convincing a few people on a forum to shake beliefs that they can reinforce any hour of the day with a quick phone search

EDIT: saiyonara "and 3 others" you deceptively named desceptor you

That's what I'm precisely attempting to change.

The politics subforum shouldn't be captive to a bunch of trolls that are allowed to run amok.
 
How surprising to see you here lobbying to keep intact the right to systematically troll leftist posters.

Meanwhile, you don't even have the decency to acknowledge that any of the examples I cited are out of line.

I find disgusting that that you're crying about a "wake up call ignored" when I just quoted posts from repeated offenders that deserve way more than a "wake up call" that you appear to be tacitly endorsing.

You're invested in keeping the politics subforum openly hostile to anyone who either doesn't post right or consents to the constant barrage of personal attacks.

Would those be the examples where you and some politics posters are dancing in a line, in a funny Spongebob (or something) gif?

I had the decency to not attack those for how ridiculous they truly were, and address your larger point.

I don't lobby for leftists to be attacked, or Xbox fans, or whatever the victimhood trend of the day is. I lobby for people who deserve it to be trolled. People who consistently make poor, low quality posts, or try to handwave away content from other posters who are trying.

My invitation to you is the same that it has been over the past year, every time someone cries about this.

Go post excellent leftist content. Start with how Trump and Republicans hemmed and hawed about healthcare, and never instituted anything worth a damn, because I've wanted to read something of that nature for a year.

But don't cry that you're getting what you put out. It reflects poorly on character.
 
Please understand Bitmap Frogs Bitmap Frogs has had his well being threatened due to his political views on here. So he's relayed to me. So maybe there is something to that board being waaay to hostile to certain users.

Post the link, or PM, so Evilore can take care of it. Violence and threats against fellow users has never been, and never will be tolerated.

Unless you're full of shit. In that case, I invite you to discuss the subject at hand, rather than resorting to absurd mischaracterizations.
 
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