Sejan
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The left side looks like a bunch of cars parked around a grocery store.
PS5 Die Shot has been revealed
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Elog
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Yeah - the only conclusion we can draw right now is that the PS5 dedicate a lot of silicon to things that the XSX does not.
If you take the total mm2 of each chip and subtract CUs, GDDR6 pieces (MC plus interface) and the CPU, the PS5 has close to 50mm2 more dedicated to the rest (I/O, command processor, sound, cache scrubbers, GE) than the XSX. That is a lot of silicon, i.e. transistors.
Clear
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Well the requirement is simply that the data needs to be stored in an optimal format for the i/o complex to do as smooth a job as possible at keeping the rest of the APU occupied. Which again gets us to the thought that it won't do as good a job running legacy code/data as it will when its laid-out in the new method... kinda fits with what we've seen with the crazy differentials in load times between patched and unpatched code.
killatopak
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I just want to know what we got out of this die shot. It's been 11 pages already. Did It actually change anything?
Elog
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Not really
We already knew there was no infinity cache unless there was some off-die stack (highly unlikely and there does not seem to be any) and then that the PS5 has a big geometry engine. Both were kind of given.
Interfectum
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Seeing Xbots declare victory on Twitter after seeing a picture of something that is light years beyond their comprehension is fucking crazy even for console wars.
So no extra L3 cache for the GPU/CPU, smaller FPUs, and what looks to be decoupled TMUs with ray tracing hardware.
I was firmly in the infinity cache or shared L3 camp so I'm a little disappointing, but not surprised.
I wonder if this is the RT differences that were rumored before launch?
Never mind, saw the response to this post just now.
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LiquidRex
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The PlayStation 1 had omitted the FPUs completely and added the Geometry Transformation Engine to perform the necessary calculations.
M1chl
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How do you snap pic like that? It's from electron microscope?
JackMcGunns
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1.5/10
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If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
It's x-ray.
M1chl
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Oh okay thanks! Does it kills the chip?
GTR R35_Supra RZ
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I know right!! so much untapped talent. I mean, I feel like I'm becoming an engineer just by reading this gibberish..graduating nxt week, btw.
longdi
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rgt and mlid get their 'sources' from obscure (to western readers) chinese forums and such.
please learn this lesson.
Lysandros
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With all the extra processors and SRAM that was somewhat expected no?
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Lysandros
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FPUs are still there within the CPU complex.
Edit: They just removed the (redundant?) FADD blocks apparently.
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MasterCornholio
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Honestly all space used for that custom hardware can explain the performance of the PS5. This die shot can be seen as a good thing.
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Knitted Knight
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It wouldn't be there for any other purpose than to improve performance at certain computational tasks. It's exactly there for those reasons.
ShadowWolf712
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If nothing else, this is showing that the way people thought things HAD to work is not the way things are working.
Custom hardware is a funny thing and trying to define it solely based on the on-paper specs for certain parts is clearly not working out.
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I've said it before....let the PS5 be an 8tf, RDNA 1 console. That would seriously not be a good look for MS at this point.
To the Xbox fans claiming some type of victory, lol.
MasterCornholio
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Definitely. An 8TF RDNA1 console shouldn't perform anywhere near a 12TF RDNA2 system. The only way that can happen is if the more powerful system has severe bottlenecks due to a rushed design.
But I don't think things are that bad. Basically both companies took a different approach to designing their systems with different goals in mind. Each system has their own strengths and weaknesses but both are well designed.
Little Chicken
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Can the PS5 infinity cache/secret sauce/RDNA 3 conspiracy theories fuck off now? So embarrassing.
MasterCornholio
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Probably but there are other theories that have emerged due to this. I don't think you will enjoy them.
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MasterCornholio
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Pretty much the die shot revealed that there's a lot of space reserved for custom hardware. That's what people are speculating on at the moment.
DeepEnigma
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I'm talking about in general and the last year. It's out now, and it's holding its own very well. So all the finger pointing and armchair stat cheerleaders are for the "sake of."
The real world performance (so far) is doing the talking.
Edit: saw your next mention, then noticed this thread blew up while I was away PC gaming. We on fire now y'all
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MasterCornholio
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Basically it's fine to speculate and all but real world results can differ from the speculation. Now it's a wait and see game for all the negativity surrounding the PS5.
Will it become vastly inferior?
Will it suffer overheating issues?
Questions that are currently answered with a resounding NO.
I'm not going to wait till the end of the generation for those answers to change though.
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longdi
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this image should be in the first post.
So no extra L3 cache for the GPU/CPU, smaller FPUs, and what looks to be decoupled TMUs with ray tracing hardware.
I was firmly in the infinity cache or shared L3 camp so I'm a little disappointing, but not surprised.
so ps5 lost avx256 to just avx128, kinda disappointing, here i was excited to see how the apu handles the extra load of avx256 ...guess it can't/won't.
so the bottom parts are the custom io and the audio/modified cu. that's a lot of silicon for io? feels like sony over engineered that for future hw/pro revision
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HoofHearted
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finally ..... a FUCKING DIE SHOT!
Lysandros
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PS1 CPU is based on MIPS R3000A architecture (R3051 with 5 KB of L1 cache to be specific). As far as i know this CPU doesn't have a FPU to begin with. But they added the very nice GTE coprocessor to it for 3D capabilities, sure.
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Hawking Radiation
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Got my cock out for the last 2 hours and still don't know if I should bust a nut or not.
Would be nice for the tech guys to break this all down in layman's terms for us dirty assholes.
*PS - It's getting cold around here so hurry up please*
M1chl
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stay safe
Pedro Motta
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Are you making this up or are you sure of what you're saying?this image should be in the first post.
so ps5 lost avx256 to just avx128, kinda disappointing, here i was excited to see how the apu handles the extra load of avx256 ...guess it can't/won't.
so the bottom parts are the custom io and the audio/modified cu. that's a lot of silicon for io? feels like sony over engineered that for future hw/pro revision
Hawking Radiation
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kyliethicc
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Cerny said in March the PS5 supports AVX 256 bit native instructions.this image should be in the first post.
so ps5 lost avx256 to just avx128, kinda disappointing, here i was excited to see how the apu handles the extra load of avx256 ...guess it can't/won't.
so the bottom parts are the custom io and the audio/modified cu. that's a lot of silicon for io? feels like sony over engineered that for future hw/pro revision
longdi
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saw it mentioned here about the cut down fpu
as panjev mentioned, ps5 can still support avx256 by running 2xavx128, but performance of course will be slower than native avx256
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DunDunDunpachi
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FlyyGOD
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The delusion is at an all time high.The beauty that kicks a 12 TF console ass performance-wise in the naked. I love it
Lysandros
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As far as i know to be considered 'native' it has to be 1x256 thus 256-bit width for the FPU. I don't think that Cerny is lying.
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Clintizzle
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Jesus. taking day 1 of lockdown pretty rough hey? haha
Omg, lmao!!
AutumnLeaves
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I don't even need to watch a comedy movie or show these days. Just find a thread just as this and I'm good to go. Seriously, 11 bloody pages.
Tickle My Tendies
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Yeah, it's hard to argue with your point. I don't think any reasonable gamer could, really.
It's like that old cliche, "a rising tide raises all ships" or however the fuck it goes.
Given the somewhat surprising parity between XsX and PS5 versions of games so far, really it both Xbox and PlayStation fans should want the other to be as powerful as possible since that, in turn, reflects even better on their hardware preference.
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longdi
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i dont think to accuse him of lying, that's why it's exciting to see die shots by external parties, hopefully forces sony's hands to come clean with clearer disclosures instead of fanboys fud and click baiting
HoofHearted
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pace yourself... this thread will probably overtake the speculation thread in a mere few weeks..
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Kumomeme
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well we can put the L3 cache stuff rumors to rest.
imagine if this die shot leak before console launch, we can guess certain people prediction and reaction
either:
or
however, since this die shot came out after both consoles launch with real world performance benchmarks out there to back up the result
people now basically:
contrary to the expected, it seems more question is added than conclusion.
imagine if this die shot leak before console launch, we can guess certain people prediction and reaction
either:
or
however, since this die shot came out after both consoles launch with real world performance benchmarks out there to back up the result
people now basically:
contrary to the expected, it seems more question is added than conclusion.
Dave_at_Home
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Meh.
Something to do with supply issues with both these consoles has made my excitement wane. Not to mention all GPUs being swallowed up my miners. Looking forward to new televisions this year for a potential upgrade. What that gaming upgrade will be depends on getting any hardware in my hands at all this year. Ridiculous.
Something to do with supply issues with both these consoles has made my excitement wane. Not to mention all GPUs being swallowed up my miners. Looking forward to new televisions this year for a potential upgrade. What that gaming upgrade will be depends on getting any hardware in my hands at all this year. Ridiculous.