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[GymWolf]

Do this guy play the entire game or force hell on screen situations to see if the framerate really is perfect?!

Because df usually plays like the first 10 hours and never goes out of his way to cause situations where the console is really stressed and that's why i noticed framerate dips in every game they say it's 60 locked (from spidey to ratchet to tlou2 to infamous)

Never completely trust these guys my dudes, especially when they test framerate on bigger games\open world games.

 

[Fess]

The RTX 2070 is not comparable to either GPU in the nextgen machines, lest you think these current gen consoles have GPUs in GTX 1080 ballpark range?
And the Ryzen 2700?....mate thats Zen+ the current gen machines are Zen2 based.

Its not comparable at all, let alone once you add in console efficiencies.
His PC is vastly underpowered versus the consoles.
To put things into perspective a last gen RDNA1 based 5700 will deck the RTX 2070.
Both next gen consoles are using RDNA2 based chips.

Okay but does it matter? Are PC gamers triggered by him showing that PS5 run the game better than this PC? Why?
I ran the game in Ultra settings at 80+ fps on a 1080ti back at launch simply by playing in 1080p. PC always win if performance is your thing, either by tweaking settings or by having better hardware, or both.

 

[ManaByte]

The game is running at BC mode, don't forget, games on BC run much worse than native ports. Checkerboard rendering is not free too, you lose performance compared to 1440p native res

It's not vanilla "BC mode" (which far too many people use as an excuse to handwave away complaints). It's been patched.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Why?

Because there is no point showing the game running on a weaker hardware...

 

[assurdum]

Because there is no point showing the game running on a weaker hardware...

How not. It shows how badly is optimized compared the console version in a pc rig comparable to the ps5 power.

 

[Kenpachii]

2700 has single core performance of cpu's released a year or maybe 2 after PS4, that's how bad it is. Its a work cpu on top of it that camps with microstutters as result because of how the chip was designed. If its not specifically optimized for that cpu type which nobody does u will see dog shit performance out of it. Anybody that was into gaming would not buy a 2000 series CPU remotely unless they used it as hold over for the 3000 series that was about to come out, they would have moved to intel.

2070 is a 1080p card performance wise, its basically a 1000 series performance card on raw performance that do not use turings features.

No ocing a 2070 does not make it a super. U can oc a super also, and a super has more hardware on it then 2070 has which always gives it the advantage.

The game he uses is terrible optimized for PC specifically his hardware he uses.

Makes comparisons with a PS5 which is build for high resolutions, RDNA2 on cpu and gpu ( 3000 series / 6000 series ) the game also from what i saw favors AMD over nvidia which also gives it another hit which makes that 2070 performs even worse.

The 2070 is not a 4k card, never was never will be. 4k cards are 1080ti / 2080ti / 3080 / 5700xt / 6800 xt ( or higher ) class cards.

In short, what u see here is typical nxgamer benchmarks.

No clue what he's doing, drawing conclusions that are laughable out of touch, and making comparisons and conclusion ( 12 minute mark ) that honestly make him a console warrior or straight up trolling to the point even people that don't know what goes on but have actually some decent hardware start to question his intentions. That bad.

I told the guy multiple times what to do in his shit benchmarks on how to fix his garbage comparisons. He reads them but refuses to listen even while he works for IGN which probably can provide him a simple 3600 in his pc without efforts but again he refuses to do it and keeps making these laughable video's.

In short just skip anything this guy benchmarks and involves PC its a lost cause.

 

[assurdum]

2700 has single core performance of cpu's released a year or maybe 2 after PS4, that's how bad it is. Its a work cpu on top of it that camps with microstutters as result because of how the chip was designed. If its not specifically optimized for that cpu type which nobody does u will see dog shit performance out of it. Anybody that was into gaming would not buy a 2000 series CPU remotely unless they used it as hold over for the 3000 series that was about to come out, they would have moved to intel.

2070 is a 1080p card performance wise, its basically a 1000 series performance card on raw performance that do not use turings features.

No ocing a 2070 does not make it a super. U can oc a super also, and a super has more hardware on it then 2070 has which always gives it the advantage.

The game he uses is terrible optimized for PC specifically his hardware he uses.

Makes comparisons with a PS5 which is build for high resolutions, RDNA2 on cpu and gpu ( 3000 series / 6000 series ) the game also from what i saw favors AMD over nvidia which also gives it another hit which makes that 2070 performs even worse.

The 2070 is not a 4k card, never was never will be. 4k cards are 1080ti / 2080ti / 3080 / 5700xt / 6800 xt ( or higher ) class cards.

In short, what u see here is typical nxgamer benchmarks.

No clue what he's doing, drawing conclusions that are laughable out of touch, and making comparisons and conclusion ( 12 minute mark ) that honestly make him a console warrior or straight up trolling to the point even people that don't know what goes on but have actually some decent hardware start to question his intentions. That bad.

I told the guy multiple times what to do in his shit benchmarks on how to fix his garbage comparisons. He reads them but refuses to listen even while he works for IGN which probably can provide him a simple 3600 in his pc without efforts but again he refuses to do it and keeps making these laughable video's.

In short just skip anything this guy benchmarks and involves PC its a lost cause.

It's a console warrior because he shows it runs better on ps5 in BC mode Vs a comparable hardware in the pc space? Ooook. He simply tried to emulate ps5 specs via BC in a similar pc.

 

[Kenpachii]

It's a console warrior because he shows it runs better on ps5 in BC mode Vs a comparable hardware in the pc space? Ooook.

Reading is hard.

 

[assurdum]

Reading is hard.

Ok. What he did it's not crazy stuff. He just used a comparable pc rig to the ps5 performance in BC mode. Is it clear now?

 

[Fess]

Because there is no point showing the game running on a weaker hardware...

Maybe it's a common spec going by Steam stats?
Showing it on weaker hardware is no less of a point than showing how it run on a 3090 rig. "and on PC it will easily max out your screen refresh at Ultra settings kthxbye"

 

[assurdum]

Maybe it's a common spec going by Steam stats?
Showing it on weaker hardware is no less of a point than showing how it run on a 3090 rig. "and on PC it will easily max out your screen refresh at Ultra settings kthxbye"

I think he tried to compare the ps5 perfomance via BC in a pc rig comparable to it in terms of raw specs.

 

[Kenpachii]

Ok. What he did it's not crazy stuff. He just used a comparable pc rig to the ps5 performance in BC mode. Is it clear now?

Nothing comparable about any of that hardware. It shits all over the PS4, and the PS5 shits all over his hardware.

For me its perfectly clear, for you however.

 

[assurdum]

Nothing comparable about any of that hardware. It shits all over the PS4, and the PS5 shits all over his hardware.

For me its perfectly clear, for you however.

The pc hardware showed it's definitely comparable to the ps5 performance in BC mode. But sure whatever make you feel better. DF did similar stuff many times in the past, never heard anyone accuse them to be console warriors. What's changed?

 

[Kenpachii]

The pc hardware showed it's definitely comparable to the ps5 performance in BC mode. But sure whatever make you feel better. DF did similar stuff many times in the past, never heard anyone complain about it.

I told you why its not, u have no arguments mate and i don't feel ike repeating myself to somebody that doesn't put arguments down, its a waste of time.

If DF talks out of his ass i will call them out any day of the week and they did plenty back in the day, however lately i didn't saw much issue's to complain about as they give a solid comparison in what hardware does and does not do.

I have no issue's with PS5 outperforming PC's it outperforms MANY pc's, but what he states at minute 12 isn't the reality, its delusional.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Nice vid. Just goes to show how difficult it is to port software that is laser focused on specific architecture. The split pc memory with pci bus latency is just not cutting the mustard for a PS4 designed game.

Runs just fine in real 4k / well over 60 fps on my 3080

 

[assurdum]

I told you why its not, u have no arguments mate and i don't feel ike repeating myself to somebody that doesn't put arguments down, its a waste of time.

If DF talks out of his ass i will call them out any day of the week and they did plenty back in the day, however lately i didn't saw much issue's to complain about as they give a solid comparison in what hardware does and does not do.

I have no issue's with PS5 outperforming PC's it outperforms MANY pc's, but what he states at minute 12 isn't the reality, its delusional.

Why it's not? Based on what you said that exactly? You can't even find a CPU similar to the PS4 in the pc space, probably the best way it's use the weaker CPU possible at the end. PS5 in BC mode cant access fully to its specs and he tried to use the pc rig who owns which could perform more close to the ps5 in BC mode, I guess. I really don't understand all this outrageous lol.

 

[DenchDeckard]

This seems like a real fail of a video by NXGAMER. such a shame. I don't understand why you would make this. :/

 

[sncvsrtoip]

It's not vanilla "BC mode" (which far too many people use as an excuse to handwave away complaints). It's been patched.

doesn't matter bc mode is bc mode, for example patched ghost of tsushima drops fps in camera mode on ps5 bc and native ps5 version has 0 drops even tough push 40% more pixels

 

[ManaByte]

doesn't matter bc mode is bc mode, for example patched ghost of tsushima drops fps in camera mode on ps5 bc and native ps5 version has 0 drops even tough push 40% more pixels

Oh the humanity! Thankfully most normal people actually play games instead of the photo mode.

 

[assurdum]

Oh the humanity! Thankfully most normal people actually play games instead of the photo mode.

Ah the gamer enthusiastic strike again. He just tried to explain to you how the ps5 GPU was underutilized before the ps5 update.

 

[sncvsrtoip]

Oh the humanity! Thankfully most normal people actually play games instead of the photo mode.

its just good benchmark that natvie version can bring quite substantial performance boost over bc mode

 

[ManaByte]

its just good benchmark that natvie version can bring quite substantial performance boost over bc mode

Oh so NOW photomode is an acceptable benchmark. I seem to remember DF being roasted and called shills for that in the Control thread.

 

[assurdum]

Oh so NOW photomode is an acceptable benchmark. I seem to remember DF being roasted and called shills for that in the Control thread.

Maybe because Control is more CPU intense and photomode is reliable only for GPU performance?

 

[rodrigolfp]

How not. It shows how badly is optimized compared the console version in a pc rig comparable to the ps5 power.

Except the Ryzen 2700 is not comparable...

Maybe it's a common spec going by Steam stats?
Showing it on weaker hardware is no less of a point than showing how it run on a 3090 rig. "and on PC it will easily max out your screen refresh at Ultra settings kthxbye"

Showing on a 3090 (or AMD equivalent) would be an useful info about the maximum performance we consumers could get on the game. Showing on a ryzen 2700 at best shows that you need to upgrade to get on par or better performance vs the PS5, but this is already obvious...

 

[Fess]

I think he tried to emulate the ps5 perfomance via BC in a pc rig comparable to it in terms of raw specs.

I watched through the video and it's no doubt a weird setup, still not sure why he chose that.

He's over-selling the locked 60fps though. It's great of course but nobody is bothered by small framerate fluctuations on PC, it's dinosaur thinking, gsync/freesync is everywhere now even on cheap screens. I ran the benchmark on my old PC at Ultra settings, it went down to 44 fps, maxed out at 159, averaged at 81, still looked absolutely butter smooth. But maybe he's playing on a TV?

 

[assurdum]

Showing on a 3090 (or AMD equivalent) would be an useful info about the maximum performance we consumers could get on the game. Showing on a ryzen 2070 at best shows that you need to upgrade to get on par or better performance vs the PS5, but this is already obvious...

PS5 performance via BC are extremely limited anyway

 

[rodrigolfp]

PS5 performance via BC are extremely limited anyway

On the CPU usage I doubt, at least not more than the bad CPU usage on pc...

 

[assurdum]

I watched through the video and it's no doubt a weird setup, still not sure why he chose that.

He's over-selling the locked 60fps though. It's great of course but nobody is bothered by small framerate fluctuations on PC, it's dinosaur thinking, gsync/freesync is everywhere now even on cheap screens. I ran the benchmark on my old PC at Ultra settings, it went down to 44 fps, maxed out at 159, averaged at 81, still looked absolutely butter smooth. But maybe he's playing on a TV?

The only thing I can say probably it's the most closer pc he can access to the ps5 BC performance. I don't find it that absurd.

 

[sncvsrtoip]

Oh so NOW photomode is an acceptable benchmark. I seem to remember DF being roasted and called shills for that in the Control thread.

wasn't roasted by me, there aren't many games that have bc mode patch and also native version so ghost is nice example of differences, I understand its broke you narration about bc mode but accept it and move on

 

[assurdum]

On the CPU usage I doubt, at least not more than the bad CPU usage on pc...

You should check how performs ps5 enhanced games via BC compared the series X. There is a notable difference. You can't even access to 120 FPS on ps5.

 

[Darlingcognito]

I hope this guy is paid well for his shilling.

 

[rodrigolfp]

You should check how performs ps5 enhanced games via BC compared the series X. There is a notable difference.

HZD received a patch to boost from 30 to 60fps. CPU usage here is as limited compared to other BC games...

 

[assurdum]

HZD received a patch to boost from 30 to 60fps. CPU usage here is as limited compared to other BC games...

Yes and on series X you can boost over to 120 FPS at lower resolution via BC but not on ps5. Why?

 

[rodrigolfp]

Yes and on series X you can boost over to 120 FPS at lower resolution via BC but not on ps5. Why?

Because XSX BC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PS5 BC? I don't doubt HZD could boost to 120fps on XSX... and 240fps on a good pc version...

 

[assurdum]

Because XSX BC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PS5 BC? I don't doubt HZD could boost to 120fps on XSX...

No because XSX via BC can access to the full hardware specs compared the ps5 because it's virtual coded. ps5 uses a different BC method which limits more the hardware usage. I know I repeat the obvious.

 

[GymWolf]

I watched through the video and it's no doubt a weird setup, still not sure why he chose that.

He's over-selling the locked 60fps though. It's great of course but nobody is bothered by small framerate fluctuations on PC, it's dinosaur thinking, gsync/freesync is everywhere now even on cheap screens. I ran the benchmark on my old PC at Ultra settings, it went down to 44 fps, maxed out at 159, averaged at 81, still looked absolutely butter smooth. But maybe he's playing on a TV?

You confuse pc crowds and console crowds, pc gamers hate framerate flactuations, if i can't get rock solid 60 even with hell on screen, i just lock at 45 or 30 in the rarest cases.

People literally risk to break their pc parts with overclock to get like 5 to 20 more frames dude.

Locked 60 (or higher) is the single major benefit of pc gaming over consoles.

 

[drotahorror]

I only play at 1080p on my PC but the game runs great and looks great, well over 60fps always. Not sure what people goin on about when they say it was a trash port. Even on the day 1 version with no patches, I had similar performance. 6700k gtx 1080.

 

[rodrigolfp]

No because XSX via BC can access to the full hardware specs compared the ps5 because it's virtual coded. ps5 uses a different BC method which limits more the hardware usage. I know I repeat the obvious.

No what? You are saying it is a yes, XSX BC >>>>>>> PS5 BC. PS5 BC shows here that at least on the CPU aspect, it can release a good amount of power to double the framerate...

 

[Fess]

You confuse pc crowds and console crowds, pc gamers hate framerate flactuations, if i can't get rock solid 60 even with hell on screen, i just lock at 45 or 30 in the rarest cases.

People literally risk to break their pc parts with overclock to get like 5 to 20 more frames dude.

Locked 60 (or higher) is the single major benefit of pc gaming over consoles.

But why? It's impossible to notice small dips by eye on a gsync screen, even an analysis tool have trouble picking it up, it's just a figure you see in the corner of the screen or in benchmark graph

 

[Tomofdahook17]

Played the update last night, started from the beginning. The patch breathes new life into this game. Outstanding performance and resolution.

The only problem is that it seems like the pre-rendered 30fps cutscenes don't have audio for some reason so I hope that gets hot fixed.

If you have a PS5, check this out now!

 

[Md Ray]

Yeah I guess shader cache or maybe single core CPU bottleneck as I have no clue how multithreaded this engine is (I think Ryzen 2700 has about the single core performance of a 4770k which is a 2013 CPU).

Here is some combat on a 2070s with alpha effects.

At PS equivalent settings:

At Ultra settings so way above the PS settings:

Bonus running around for 10min with the Afterburner benchmark going at PS settings:

Not a perfect port but the comment that the PS5 is the best version isn't true compared to my 2019 PC and definitely won't be true for anyone with anything more beefy.

Which CPU have you paired 2070S with? Sorry if this has been answered before.

The single-core perf of a 2700 is about i7-6700 level.

 

[Low Moral Fibre]

Which CPU have you paired 2070S with? Sorry if this has been answered before.

The single-core perf of a 2700 is about i7-6700 level.

A 3900x so I would bet the 1% and 0.1% lows would be higher again with a 5600x or higher or whatever the current Intel equivalent is.

I would think a good Intel 8 core and 1080ti from 2017 would give better performance than a 2700 and 2070.

 

[GymWolf]

But why? It's impossible to notice small dips by eye on a gsync screen, even an analysis tool have trouble picking it up, it's just a figure you see in the corner of the screen or in benchmark graph

You already answered your own question.

People with g-sync doens't notice the flactuations because that's what gsync does, but everyone who use and oled tv or a common monitor, hates framerate dips.

There is nothing more disturbing than something that goes: 60-58-59-57-56-60-56-58 all the fucking time, console crowds is used because they can't do jack shit to solve the problem, but on pc is different, unless the game is completely broken at the core (a lot are very broken but not completely fucked), you can always have stable framerate if you play with settings.

Do you know how many games i had to cap at 30 or 45 in the latest 10 years on pc? 3 or 4.

 

[dEvAnGeL]

A lot of touchy touchy piu piu PC gamers out here damn lmfao, the game runs okayish now on PC, with a 2080 Ti i still have those damn frame hickuops that are annoying as hell, playing the ps5 version does look a little less sharp but the game is smooth as hell. Frame rate is king, always has been, always will be.

 

[Fess]

You already answered your own question.

People with g-sync doens't notice the flactuations because that's what gsync does, but everyone who use and oled tv or a common monitor, hates framerate dips.

There is nothing more disturbing than something that goes: 60-58-59-57-56-60-56-58 all the fucking time, console crowds is used because they can't do jack shit to solve the problem, but on pc is different, unless the game is completely broken at the core (a lot are very broken but not completely fucked), you can always have stable framerate if you play with settings.

Do you know how many games i had to cap at 30 or 45 in the latest 10 years on pc? 3 or 4.

I didn't think many PC gamers used TVs or screens without gsync or freesync. I've had it since 2014, at that point it was kinda rare but today it's in nearly any screen unless you go for something super cheap.

 

[Md Ray]

If anyone trying to emulate PS5/XSX experience, I think one should use Ryzen 7 4700G for the CPU. It's the closest we've got to the console's CPU in the desktop space. The cores are Zen 2, has 8C/16T right down to 8MB L3$. The only difference I can think of is that it has higher TDP and slightly higher clock speeds than the console equivalent. Though it's OEM only so it might be a bit harder to obtain. On the GPU side, I think 6700 XT might be the closest one (a little bit faster than PS5/XSX) until we get a 6700 non-XT which will most likely have 36 CUs with perf level sitting around XSX more or less.

 

[Skifi28]

I'll probably get stabbed for this, but these past few years I've always had more consistent performance on consoles. Micro-stuttering and random dips is far more common on PC and often there isn't much you can do. My PS5 has been a blessing in that regard, majority of games are rock solid and even when there are dips they're predictable stress point rather than completely random and occuring at any point. If I had to guess, I'd say low level access and not having an OS doing random things when it pleases is a real benefit even if the actual hardware is lesser than a top-end PC.

 

[MrFunSocks]

Expecting someone to do a genuine comparison at a Bear minimum us not attacking them, when it's literally what they are setting out to do isn't it?

If they aren't doing the right work and spreading misinformation, it's just as bad as that Austin walker video that came out this week.

Does he know what the bottleneck is? Is it his weaker gpu or cpu? Slower memory? Ssd? Is it because he is using higher settings?

How does the pc perform at low and medium settings. If he drops everything to low does it still have drops? What does this suggest?

I'm pretty positive Alex at DF would deliver answers to many of these questions and more. I'm not trying to start a war between the two outlets I'm just providing evidence of someone I know looks into these things when comparing pc ports to console.

It's also well documented that the pc port was shit and required multiple patches to run better. Does he comment on this and mention that Sony purchased Nixxes to support ports in the future due to this first attempt being poor. This stuff should be covered.

NXGamer did a video a few weeks before launch of the new consoles and claimed that ray tracing just doesn't work on the series X because "the apis aren't ready". I asked him to provide a source for this repeatedly because he kept sidestepping the question, quoting "insider sources", until I had posts deleted and ban warning. He never gave any evidence to support his claims, and mere weeks later the consoles launched and every game that had ray tracing on PS5 also had it on Series X miraculously. So much for his fake concern FUD spreading.

Take one look at his YouTube channel and you can see where his allegiance lies. PS5 video after PS5 video after PS5 video. No Xbox exclusives. The guy counts frames from footage others have taken, that's it. He then likes to pretend he knows everything about the consoles and the APIs and how the games are made despite having literally zero insider knowledge of it.

He became a favourite due to his clear as day leaning in one direction. This video just makes it even more obvious to the point where it's almost unarguable.

 

[Ezekiel_]

Played the update last night, started from the beginning. The patch breathes new life into this game. Outstanding performance and resolution.

The only problem is that it seems like the pre-rendered 30fps cutscenes don't have audio for some reason so I hope that gets hot fixed.

If you have a PS5, check this out now!

Reboot the game.

I had the same problem when trying it for first time, the intro movie didn't have audio.

After closing the game and restarting, everything is fine.

 

[Tomofdahook17]

Reboot the game.

I had the same problem when trying it for first time, the intro movie didn't have audio.

After closing the game and restarting, everything is fine.

Interesting. Yea I played all the way up to the proving so far and it worked great. Hopefully I don 't get any more glitches like that.