As a 35+ year console gamers. I must admit pc guys are right. Frames over graphics any time!
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MoneySings
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I always thought 60fps was the mutts nuts.... until I got my "gaming laptop" - which has a 3070 and 240hz display. Ignore the 240hz - Destiny 2 @ 90-110fps with G-Sync.... OMG. Now when I go back to 60fps, it feels like 30fps lol
Bragr
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60fps is a big deal, but yes, you don't have much choice, half the best games in the last decade are nowhere near 60 fps and there is nothing you can do about it
RPSleon
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For sure. I noticed this when playing black ops: cold war on ps5. The 120hz mode i think hits around 90fps, and switching to 60fps from only that high feels awful.
Weirdly, trying out the same thing in fortnite, which did run at full 120fps, didnt feel so bad when dropping, and i think thats down to being 3rd person rather than 1st.
Ratchet and clank at 40 may now have been as enjoyable if it was 1st person. Looking forward to trying out whichever 1st person game allows 40fps.
demigod
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Yeah its something I just cannot go back to, if its available on PC and the console game is 30 I will always by PC. Its why I will jump at the pro versions of the series x and ps5 if they offer 60 over 30 on games when they release. I don't have such an issue with above 60 but anything lower is hard to stomach.
b0uncyfr0
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Its a real thing OP, frames are important and that's why i was really hesitant to get a console (because it was still unsure if 30 fps was gonna stick along longer). Luckily it isnt and i made the right bet there.
Now go try 144hz and watch your brain melt. It will ruin you though - you cant go back down.
Now go try 144hz and watch your brain melt. It will ruin you though - you cant go back down.
nominedomine
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Played on PC my whole life, I still can play 30fps game if it comes to that.
If a game is 30fps but looks mind-blowing I'm fine with it, but it's getting really hard to justify 30fps when many of the best looking games (if not all) have 60fps modes on PS5.
I'll take 1080p/60fps over 4K/30fps any day.
If a game is 30fps but looks mind-blowing I'm fine with it, but it's getting really hard to justify 30fps when many of the best looking games (if not all) have 60fps modes on PS5.
I'll take 1080p/60fps over 4K/30fps any day.
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GreatnessRD
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Here's the thing people don't seem to understand:
Tech advancement comes from all areas of the industry, its the product of everyone pushing the limits and discovering new techniques and tricks.
So were consoles historically bound to maintain 60fps frame-rate as a standard then what devs would seek to achieve would be constrained by that, and as a result overall progress would have been slowed. The reality of working on fixed-spec hardware is that you have to observe those limits - so placing an artificial cap of 16ms on your render time is not a small thing.
Obviously PC's always out there, but not everyone focuses on it, and some fantastic innovations have come out of the console space.
Tech advancement comes from all areas of the industry, its the product of everyone pushing the limits and discovering new techniques and tricks.
So were consoles historically bound to maintain 60fps frame-rate as a standard then what devs would seek to achieve would be constrained by that, and as a result overall progress would have been slowed. The reality of working on fixed-spec hardware is that you have to observe those limits - so placing an artificial cap of 16ms on your render time is not a small thing.
Obviously PC's always out there, but not everyone focuses on it, and some fantastic innovations have come out of the console space.
tommib
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What an idiot.
REDRZA MWS
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What gamer doesn’t want frames above all else? But when I have to sit in front of a 27” monitor, especially today with massive screens and 120hz, VRR, HDR, 4k. The new consoles are killing it.
pochepiller2
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For me it's resolution over everything. I got a rtx3080 and I want every pixel.
lukilladog
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Flat panel technology sucks so much at handling motion, that 37fps/74hz looks closer to 60fps than it does to 30fps, so that´s my minimum.
StateofMajora
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pochepiller2
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KXVXII9X
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Yes and no. I am really enjoying playing at higher frames, but not every game that allows you is consistent. Unless locked to a higher framerate, I find frames that constantly fluctuate more distracting than a steady 30 fps. After the big graphical AAA UE5 showcases come in, I think people may opt for those games even if they are only able to play them at a lower framerate. Of course, people prefer 60fps now. Graphics have barely changed in the last decade. I wouldn't mind sacrificing some frames for more advanced physics/simulation, lighting, and more consistent LOD.
I would rather play something like DokeV at near steady 30 fps than the new Saints Row at 60+ fps.
I would rather play something like DokeV at near steady 30 fps than the new Saints Row at 60+ fps.
Topher
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Yeah, the consoles are great this gen. Personally, I connect my consoles and my PC to the same 55" OLED TV. Everything looks fantastic.
Dust-by-Monday
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I have a PS5 and I had a PC capable of 144Hz and I still choose 30fps. It’s dependent on the game and the gamer.
DragoonWalker
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That's the thing isn't it. I feel like people who live by the "60fps or bust!" mantra are kinda stupid. No shit we all would like nice high framerates. But you gotta consider what else the game is pushing, it's always a trade off. At the end of the day some of the most memorable games I ever played in my life had subpar framerates. Would they have been better with higher framerates? Of course. Did it ruin the game? No. First world problems.
Ps5 and xbox are doing this too in competitive games120fps, VRR, and Atmos.
Guilty_AI
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StateofMajora
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Dsplays aren't good enough yet. Well the oleds are but they're not 240hz yet. Nor are HDMI standards. Cpus need to get better, gpu, basically everything.
But as much as I prefer fps over resolution though I'm more interested in 8k120 than 4k240. 120 is a point where I am very very satisfied with motion combined with a good black frame insertion... And 8k should finally eliminate jaggies when sitting at the correct view distance.
4k plus certain TAA basically already does, but at the cost of sharpness
spons
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I have terrible experiences with PC gaming. From Windows being a pain in the ass to 600 dollar graphics cards with jet engine fans. Fuck this shit.
All of it seems to be so fucking flimsily rigged together. I can't stand it. Just give me an integrated gaming system that looks good, controls well and just works.
Some people have an absolutely inane obsession over graphical fidelity. It really makes no sense to me at all. Hell I got Xbox Streaming finally working on my smartphone and I've almost completed the entire Mass Effect trilogy on it. It may look like a dumpster fire, but so far I enjoyed all of it, fully.
All of it seems to be so fucking flimsily rigged together. I can't stand it. Just give me an integrated gaming system that looks good, controls well and just works.
Some people have an absolutely inane obsession over graphical fidelity. It really makes no sense to me at all. Hell I got Xbox Streaming finally working on my smartphone and I've almost completed the entire Mass Effect trilogy on it. It may look like a dumpster fire, but so far I enjoyed all of it, fully.
MikeM
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SkylineRKR
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30fps also ruins the IQ. Because the movement is generally terrible and things don't flow good. 60fps might lower some details in games, but they run much better which makes the image more pleasant to look at.
120hz is luxury. Its very good but its not like 60fps is unplayable after using it. 30fps is terrible when you come from 60 though.
120hz is luxury. Its very good but its not like 60fps is unplayable after using it. 30fps is terrible when you come from 60 though.
STARSBarry
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for me its all about the frames, especially in multiplayer. 30 FPS is just not the same as 120+ and if I have to pay out my ass for it so be it.
as for build quality... It depends on your parts and as for sound...
make sure to turn the video sound on at the bottom
Essentially... stop buying shitty parts that sound like a jet engine, my Xbox Series X is louder unless I stick my phone inside the case next to the AIO so you can hear the damn pump.
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OOGABOOGA
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somebody give this motherfucker the link for 2022 update
Like most of PS5 games nowadays run on 4k/60 fps and they give you the option to choose between performance/graphic mode, so are you evwn mentioning console!! Just a quick digital foundery search will debunk this whole thread.
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BlackTron
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StateofMajora
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Going from 60 right after seeing 120 is super jarring. Almost as severe as seeing 30 after 60, but not quite
First time I did i thought damn, that's 60?!?
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REDRZA MWS
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I do too but my 2080ti doesn’t have hdmi 2.1
BlackTron
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First I laughed thinking this was a joke, but then I realized who wrote it and I'm not sure anymore...lol
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Obvious troll is obvious
BlackTron
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I thought it was someone trying to sound like a failing troll, as a thin joke. Then I noticed the author, and realized it might actually be real failure in an actual trolling attempt.
Still, suspension of disbelief.
DragoonWalker
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Priorities. I'm guessing you weren't around around when games were advancing astronomically by leaps and bounds every few years in every way imaginable--from polycount to game design to level design from 2D to 3D to physics to lighting--that nobody gave a shit about framerates. Today advances have slowed to such a crawl the only thing you can focus on is getting the image to display 2 or 3x more on screen per second. Boring as fuck.
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MikeM
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Been gaming since the Atari days. Absolutely lived the transition. I just prefer a balanced image where camera movements don’t make everything turn to complete shit. The image quality dip is not severe enough for me to trade it for better motion management.
Also- CRT remedied a lot of the issues, hence why 30fps is now a concern. The current panels have nothing on CRTs when it comes to this.