Lucifers Beard
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I’ve been waiting for something to take advantage of my PCIE4.0 drive.
SCORN will be the first PC game to support Direct Storage (Update: It won't)
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rodrigolfp
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WHat???
Jayjayhd34
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Sorry drive can't be less 1tb
rodrigolfp
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Sorry, I got that. I am trying to think any technical reason why would it require 1tb minimum.
Jayjayhd34
Gold Member
Interestingly I've got 960gb and it says this
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Great news.
Hopefully it doesn't still run on HDD'S or it's a half step.
Hopefully it doesn't still run on HDD'S or it's a half step.
Tripolygon
Banned
How can I explain this to you so you can understand.
Direct Storage is just an API made to streamline and reduce CPU overhead by bypassing CPU copy and allowing direct read from SSD. It does not make the loading anymore faster than it can be with regular Win32 API, it just streamlines it. It is just an API, it does not determine how fast your game load, that is up to your game engine. There are other systems at play that make it much faster on consoles like decompression hardware, prepackaged shaders, etc. When a game is loading it is doing any number of things besides the act of reading the files from storage, it is setting up the world, initializing physics and game systems, shader compiling, etc. Each engine and game do that differently that is why you get different loading times from different games.
Here is Direct Storage vs Win 32, there is about 1 second difference in this game.
PS5 IO API vs Win32 API about 1 second difference.
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Kadve
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There is no need to worry. Microsoft used to list it as required but has since dropped it. No idea why.
You need a relatively recent GPU though.
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Mister Wolf
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How can I explain this to you so you can understand.
Direct Storage is just an API made to streamline and reduce CPU overhead by bypassing CPU copy and allowing direct read from SSD. It does not make the loading anymore faster than it can be with regular Win32 API, it just streamlines it. It is just an API, it does not determine how fast your game load, that is up to your game engine. There are other systems at play that make it much faster on consoles like decompression hardware, prepackaged shaders, etc. When a game is loading it is doing any number of things besides the act of reading the files from storage, it is setting up the world, initializing physics and game systems, shader compiling, etc. Each engine and game do that differently that is why you get different loading times from different games.
Here is Direct Storage vs Win 32, there is about 1 second difference in this game.
PS5 IO API vs Win32 API about 1 second difference.
I know what Direct Storage is. If Xbox were using it the long loading times would be drastically shorter than the PC port in Forza or any other game. Halo Infinite is another game that comes to mind. Forapoken loads fast regardless if using Direct Storage vs The old Win 32 API. Forza does not. Halo does not. Why? Why would a console with a built in hardware decompression block, custom decompression method for textures, shared memory pool, and supposedly using Direct Storage load Forza slower than the PC version? Easy answer. The Series X is using the same legacy method to send data from the storage to the decompressor that's been available because Direct Storage was not ready. Sampler feedback streaming is also apart of Velocity Architecture yet it hasn't been in a single shipped game. None of this stuff was ready including Direct Storage.
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rodrigolfp
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Funny they saying it requires a NVMe SSD, but in the post #57 a dev is showing direct storage on a SATA SSD.There is no need to worry. Microsoft used to list it as required but has since dropped it. No idea why.
You need a relatively recent GPU though.
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DeepEnigma
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Should we tell him?Interestingly I've got 960gb and it says this
Md Ray
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This is a lie. It hasn't been available on PC, but there are AAA titles that use DirectStorage on Series consoles today.
FrankieSab
Member
What? The API has been available on Series consoles from day 1...
FrankieSab
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Little reminder here, we are talking about PC here, not Series consoles. And it has nothing to do with Sony. It's a part of the Velocity Architecture (Direct Storage) that was from launch in Series Consoles that is going to PC.
https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/07/14/a-closer-look-at-xbox-velocity-architecture/
https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/07/14/a-closer-look-at-xbox-velocity-architecture/
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FrankieSab
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Come on, Sony has nothing to do with it! It's the Series SSD technology going to PC.
DeepEnigma
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And he's flat out wrong. It's an API, not an I/O with its own decompression block.
Mister Wolf
Member
No there aren't.
winjer
Gold Member
With several first party games loading slower on the Series X, than on PC, I have my doubts.
Games like Forza 5 should be loading in a handful of seconds, not a whole minute.
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DeepEnigma
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Then Forspoken will be the first if Scorn doesn't do it.
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SenjutsuSage
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I'm waiting on the first games to use Direct Storage + Sampler Feedback Streaming. That will be the game changer.
Mister Wolf
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These guys mistaking "can use it" with "is using it". The Series X "can" use sampler feedback streaming(Velocity Architecture) and mesh shaders as well. Not a game released or upcoming in 2023 will be using them.
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blastprocessor
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What about mesh shaders are those bad boys used?
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
PS5 IO API vs Win32 API about 1 second difference.
This shot of Spiderman doesn't tell the whole story. Have a look at DF and you'll see detailed textures are not fully loaded in the distance unlike PS5.
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Clear
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It will be transformative when its widespread enough to justify building around it as a functional requirement.
Tripolygon
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Can't really say what the cause is but I'm aware of that issue, even my 3070 exhibits stutters and freezes especially when raytracing is on, it happens less with raytracing off but the game freezes for streaming to catch up every now and then when i'm swinging through the city, compared to when I played it on my PS4.
SenjutsuSage
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What's misleading about loading on Xbox vs PC thus far is lots of games are still not really using DirectStorage any. They're designing more for spinning hard drives still, so the advantages aren't as big as they should be, and even worse, nothing is using sampler feedback streaming yet. Here is a microsoft engineer confirming what's happening so far. So you're seeing mostly the strength of single thread CPU performance for better load speeds.
Tripolygon
Banned
I'll let Microsoft tell you themselves since you don't seem to get it. Titles currently use DirectStorage on Xbox Series X/S
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Mister Wolf
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What's misleading about loading on Xbox vs PC thus far is lots of games are still not really using DirectStorage any. They're designing more for spinning hard drives still, so the advantages aren't as big as they should be, and even worse, nothing is using sampler feedback streaming yet. Here is a microsoft engineer confirming what's happening so far. So you're seeing mostly the strength of single thread CPU performance for better load speeds.
Thanks for the info. I know I wasn't crazy. Hopefully this puts an end to people on this board lying saying the Series consoles have been using Direct Storage.
Tripolygon
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Mister Wolf
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No they dont.
You don't know what you're talking about. Post a game loading much faster on Xbox than it's PC counterpart or just stop.
Jayjayhd34
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I'm pretty sure medium used directstorage on series x
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winjer
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Tripolygon
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Loading speed is determined by the game engine and how it is architected. The API is good enough and inconsequential for the most part.
Microsoft's own words
"There are console titles today, tripple A titles that use direct storage for their loading"
Go and tell Microsoft they are lying. You don't know what you are talking about.
Stop focusing on loading comparison with PC. The difference is inconsequential. The point of direct storage really is to reduce the CPU overhead when you are constantly reading during streaming as you are constantly having to copy using CPU.
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winjer
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Microsoft says alot of BS when it's convenient to them. If I got a dollar for every time MS misleads consumers, I would be as rich as Bill Gates.
I'm still waiting for you to list some games that actually use Direct Storage.
From the video you posted: CPU usage and load times...
ChiefDada
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Apparently not. I'm surprised by the thread discussion because I've been under the impression that Series consoles have been using DirectStorage since launch but going through different games' load time videos on YT
Mister Wolf
seems to be correct. Although the Microsoft video
Tripolygon
posted seems to contradict this; I wish the guy would've listed some of the games he was referring to.
Mister Wolf
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Apparently not. I'm surprised by the thread discussion because I've been under the impression that Series consoles have been using DirectStorage since launch but going through different games' load time videos on YT
Numbers don't lie. That's why the guys in here lying won't post a single game loading much faster on the Xbox than PC if even faster at all. Doesn't make much sense right with Microsoft for years now screaming from the rafters how much more efficient Direct Storage is at sending data from the NVME to the decompressor vs the legacy Win 32 API. We even have hard evidence of Forspoken loading faster and them providing numbers showing the increased data transfer speed switching to Direct Storage. As the Microsoft employee tweeted there is no scenario where a game would load faster on Win 32 API vs Direct Storage. So that leads to one conclusion.
Rei dos Vermes
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Loading times will go from 6s to 2s! It's truly a life changing tech!
rodrigolfp
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More like 2.4 to 1.9 seconds.
Tripolygon
Banned
Loading time is not what determines whether you are using direct storage or not. It is just an API. The game engine is what determines loading times. A game engine that loads fast will load fast on any platform if you have the appropriate hardware.Apparently not. I'm surprised by the thread discussion because I've been under the impression that Series consoles have been using DirectStorage since launch but going through different games' load time videos on YT
Example PS5 5.5GB/s vs PC 3.1GB/s = 3 seconds difference.
Jayjayhd34
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Apparently not. I'm surprised by the thread discussion because I've been under the impression that Series consoles have been using DirectStorage since launch but going through different games' load time videos on YT
They out right lied then quote from dev interview
Piejko also praised the fact that next-gen hardware comes with built-in SSD.
rodrigolfp
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So, Forspoken is not using this BypassIO, right?
TintoConCasera
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Interestingly I've got 960gb and it says this
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us...reenshot-a35ac9ff-4a58-24c9-3253-f12bac9f9d44
ChiefDada
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I kind of understand what you're saying but aren't API's incorporated into a game engine? Also, I understand in your example that the difference is only 3 seconds (which means nothing in real world for gamers), but that 3 second difference means the PS5 is loading over 2.5x as fast as the PC, even though the PS5 SSD is only a bit over 1.5x faster than the PC SSD. This would indicate to me that the PS5 I/O API is at play here.
Tripolygon
Banned
The API is part of the OS, the games just use commands to call on the API.
Correct in compute time 3 seconds is massive. But in real world it is not much.
But we are comparing 5.5GB/s to 3.1GB/s so that difference is accounted for. The API does not play as much of a big role here, it just a translation layer. Moreover, majority of the time spent loading is not the actual reading of the file, it is the other stuff the game engine is doing like decompression, shader compiling, physics initialization, setting up the level etc. If you think about, PS5 has a really powerful decompressor while the PC has to use X cores to do that, PC also has to compile shaders while PS5 does not have to, etc.
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LordOfChaos
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IT'S SCORN!!
kikii
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well when phones cam quality is worse than nintendo 8bit, is that russian by any chance ?Interestingly I've got 960gb and it says this
M1chl
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Not really apples to apples, because on PC you also have to compile shaders, which is precompiled on PS5. Not to shit talk PS5, but it need to be taken into account to make it fair.Loading time is not what determines whether you are using direct storage or not. It is just an API. The game engine is what determines loading times. A game engine that loads fast will load fast on any platform if you have the appropriate hardware.
Example PS5 5.5GB/s vs PC 3.1GB/s = 3 seconds difference.