GhostOfTsu
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The CMA really went in-depth. They see right through MS plan of controlling all the biggest franchises
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The CMA really went in-depth. They see right through MS plan of controlling all the biggest franchises
remember_spinal
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pasterpl
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Flying games made me laugh for some reason.The CMA really went in-depth. They see right through MS plan of controlling all the biggest franchises
Timberwolf25
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Even if MS made every game exclusive from every company they've ever or will acquire, how is this wrong? They aren't are not making every game exclusive, but the point stands.
Point 192 is accurate, but why is this even a concern that the CMA is even looking at? All companies have console exclusives. Watch any showcase and you'll see that blasted on screen fairly often.
Along with some other factors, it's what makes you stand apart from your competitors.
I'm sure some will argue that it is different because one is buying a publisher versus exclusive rights for a limited/unlimited time, but the end result is the same. 1 console will have it and the others won't.
In the end, this deal will go through because I don't see the US regulators buying into this.
Point 192 is accurate, but why is this even a concern that the CMA is even looking at? All companies have console exclusives. Watch any showcase and you'll see that blasted on screen fairly often.
Along with some other factors, it's what makes you stand apart from your competitors.
I'm sure some will argue that it is different because one is buying a publisher versus exclusive rights for a limited/unlimited time, but the end result is the same. 1 console will have it and the others won't.
In the end, this deal will go through because I don't see the US regulators buying into this.
ChuckeRearmed
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CMA is a joke. Good thing that Microsoft is aggressively fighting against this nonsense.
Azurro
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Gamepass always needs content. Easier to keep on buying.
pasterpl
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Ms confirmed that they are planning to continue with acquisitions after the abk deal is done.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
This self own by MS made me LOL. Yes, MS has always had fewer exclusives. It is known.
pasterpl
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Little Chicken
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Sorry but when someone spends billions on IP, you should expect them to do whatever they want to with it.So basically the UK regulator is looking past the PR and instead directly at what Microsoft does. This is getting interesting.
Conversely, Sony is actively keeping third-party games off of Xbox using money and their position as market leader.
At least Microsoft is willing to keep games multiplatform and already has with Minecraft, for example, which is actually bigger than CoD.
This crying about games not being on Playstation anymore by Sony is embarrassing.
bender
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This self own by MS made me LOL. Yes, MS has always had fewer exclusives. It is known.
Are they counting those $0.99 Platinum Trophy shovelware titles?
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oldergamer
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Also all studios MS has worked with in the past for first party exclusive games. So?? How is that a pattern? this reads like a sony fan list.
oldergamer
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lol, the no enhancements for Xbox or no gamepass are non starters. They are obviously worried about it taking advantage of the hardware. Who is to say it doesn't do this now??
anthony2690
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Just wait till we find out one of these twitter warriors works for the CMA
legacy24
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imagine spending 70 billion on a company and not offering any sort of advantages to your own customers.
remember_spinal
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No its more about providing something like ray tracing or advanced audio support on xbox and cutting it out for playstation like they did with psychonauts.
For example, Sony doesn't put a graphically superior version of MLB on playstation and gimp the xbox version. Both consoles get the same game
freefornow
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Highlighted, doesnt Sony do the same?So basically the UK regulator is looking past the PR and instead directly at what Microsoft does. This is getting interesting.
Banjo64
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I usually hate this rhetoric, but yeah.It's also very eye-opening how MS is basically copy/pasting the same arguments from their Twitter warriors and their astroboys like you and Senjutsu.
Y'all are getting your talking points from MS HQ
The pattern of the same posters;
- Pretending they don't understand basic English when the CMA have been fantastic at explaining their exact causes for concern. It's like it's been written as a guide for dummies but people are still (deliberately?) misinterpreting it.
- Creating falsehoods with allegations of corruption/being in bed with Sony. Other falsehoods include 'well buying insomniac is the exact same as buying 2 publishers'.
- Indignation towards any probing whatsoever.
- Using Meta, Saudi Arabia and Brazil as the cornerstone for their arguments.
Microsoft then using Tom Warren of all people in their official filing, it's crazy. What next? Quoting
SenjutsuSage
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DeepEnigma
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They were specifically speaking of traditional 3rd party franchises in current year.
Sony is not purchasing a publisher with a history of yanking third party titles. If they were, the analysis would be the same.
Pelta88
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I usually hate this rhetoric, but yeah.
The pattern of the same posters;
- Pretending they don't understand basic English when the CMA have been fantastic at explaining their exact causes for concern. It's like it's been written as a guide for dummies but people are still (deliberately?) misinterpreting it.
- Creating falsehoods with allegations of corruption/being in bed with Sony. Other falsehoods include 'well buying insomniac is the exact same as buying 2 publishers'.
- Indignation towards any probing whatsoever.
- Using Meta, Saudi Arabia and Brazil as the cornerstone for their arguments.
Microsoft then using Tom Warren of all people in their official filing, it's crazy. What next? Quoting
Colt is the next advocate Microsoft cites.
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Bumblebeetuna
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Topher
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I usually hate this rhetoric, but yeah.
The pattern of the same posters;
- Pretending they don't understand basic English when the CMA have been fantastic at explaining their exact causes for concern. It's like it's been written as a guide for dummies but people are still (deliberately?) misinterpreting it.
- Creating falsehoods with allegations of corruption/being in bed with Sony. Other falsehoods include 'well buying insomniac is the exact same as buying 2 publishers'.
- Indignation towards any probing whatsoever.
- Using Meta, Saudi Arabia and Brazil as the cornerstone for their arguments.
Microsoft then using Tom Warren of all people in their official filing, it's crazy. What next? Quoting
What is hilarious is the sheer polarization. One country* is brilliant and fair while the other* is stupid and corrupt.
*please reference please of plastic to determine which is which
Those are not Sony's "requirements". Nothing there says Microsoft must or shall do anything.
What true colors are you talking about? Just now realizing Sony and Microsoft are competitors?
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Banjo64
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And the probing questions from the CMA are just that, questions. It is likely that MS satisfy their concerns and the CMA approve the deal. They are literally doing their job well by asking questions instead of approving this at phase 1. And if they do approve it, these MS supporters will be cheering like they've just scored a win against the 'corrupt and clueless' CMA - not that 2 bodies worked hand in hand to ensure there's no issues.
intheinbetween
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lmfao, at least Sony didn't ask MS to pay for royalties
Basically what that paragraph tells us is the UK regulator's ignorance of the reality of the video game market, its history and its protagonists.So basically the UK regulator is looking past the PR and instead directly at what Microsoft does. This is getting interesting.
"Observing a trend" of making exclusive games from your own Studios is just one more of many ridiculous manifestations expressed by the CMA.
Like that XBOX as a brand and market share is on par with PlayStation. As already mentioned, the CMA brief is just a monologue of "concerns" about the negative effects on Sony's income and its possible loss of market share. As if his job were to try to help keep Sony as a market leader....
It is diametrically the opposite of the text of the Brazilian CADE that, you may or may not like its conclusions, but shows much greater knowledge of the current video game market than the CMA.
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Are 3rd party titles guaranteed to be on any platform? The CMA is making assumptions that these games, (many that were announced to the public after MS acquired them) would come to all platform. They are bending over backwards to make it seem like Playstation is entitled to 3rd party games. How is Nintendo surviving without such entitlement?
bender
What time is it?
How I read it too. It's not a performance issue, it about features. Ray Tracing is what came to mind or 120FPS modes.
remember_spinal
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I think they are drawing a pattern of double speak from Microsoft in regards to their intentions with buying major IP
Topher
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Right. CMA is doing their job and now MS has to respond. This is how this works. People need to stop reading shit from idiots on twitter especially when it deliberately misconstrues what is said like "Xbox news for Koreans" that was posted above. Just nonsense.
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bender
What time is it?
Considering the market share and short of any exclusivity deals, yes. As a 3rd party, if you were going to skip over anyone, it would probably be the with the smallest market share but considering how close PC, XBox and Playstation hardware is, that's highly unlikely as the porting tasks are far less complicated these days.
Azurro
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You are not getting any extra benefits as Xbox customers, the only thing you get out of this is a less competitive market and a "ha ha" at Sony ponies.
People should be against this acquisition as it's against the well being of the industry, but people's biases are just too strong.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
How exactly.
I'm sorry this is bullcrap. Psychonauts 2 was a BC game, plenty of games that run in BC modes without native support have some technical advantages on Xbox owing to coming from a better BC infrastructure.
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bender
What time is it?
It has to do with jury tampering.
You've never heard of Gamepass before? thats strange.
Bumblebeetuna
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If this deal goes through I get dozens of games added to GamePass and lots more big ones in the future. How is that not a benefit?
Azurro
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A MS monopoly is good for the industry? Not to mention, it's all for the sake of a heavily unprofitable service like Gamepass, it makes the market unsustainable for the rest of the players in it while MS happily absorbs the losses.
Major IP like games from Ninja Theory, InXile and Obsidian? Including games unannounced at time of purchase?
They even cite Bleeding Edge as an example. And you're claiming that's a 'pattern'.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
But the whole point of discussion is that it's not a monopoly. CADE's result stated that they do not see an impact in competition because of the acquisition.
And the main piece of content at discussion here, CoD will continue to remain on the PS platform for the foreseeable future. They're not holding it back from their main rival platform either.
DarkMage619
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When did MS come anywhere close to a monopoly? This is the same company many people laugh at for being 3rd in consoles remember? Activision won't change that and even if they did increase market share why is that a problem?
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Azurro
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It paves the way for MS acquiring other big publishers to make the market position of other players unsustainable, while they absorb loses because the Xbox business does not have to be profitable.
An MS monopoly is as likely as Cookie Monster being sworn in as the next Pope.
Every sane person knows this is an unreasonable claim. Sony's marketshare and brand advantage is too large, and fully 80% of the PlayStation 4 userbase don't even touch of Duty.
Source required. Because it's pretty hard to imagine GP is unprofitable even in its current state.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Big acquisitions are happening with or without MS's involvement. When Zenimax was up for sale, Sony was also one of the bidders along with MS and a few other big entities.
The Kingdom of Saudi has a dedicated slush fund just for gaming acquisitions and even before MS's recent acquisitions they've been buying stakes in various publishers as well.
MS's acquisition is like throwing a rock in the river, it's a splash but it won't stop the flow.
Bladed Thesis
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SportsFan581
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Let us get those sales charts out and start looking at the sales leaders. Let's assume the deal goes through and look at ABK games as being from MS, are the other console makers still equally represented? I bet they would be. 
ZehDon
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I've said this exactly this before: Call of Duty drives platform adoption for Sony for exactly these reasons. Sony must be terrified.
I wonder who that is.
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