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It doesn't matter what they call it or how they go about providing it. Sony has the capability to release a competing offering. Thus, MS's cloud business is not creating an unfair advantage for MS in the gaming space.

PS Now launched in 2014, Sony bought Gaikai specifically to invest into the cloud streaming market. They would/should be more than capable of having enough resources and expertise to do something similar.
 
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All these big companies always crying about getting bullied when they're all the same. If Sony or Microsoft could get away with owning everything and completely dominating while giving the consumer f all they would lol. Hoping for a very different future.
 
I just said it doesn't have it. Sony are not providing any PS4 streaming and rely on Amazon.

The fact that Sony has an existing service is proof that they can provide said service to the public. Whether they use subcontractors or do everything in-house is not a concern to consumers.

It's impossible to say that Sony can't bring competing cloud based products to market when they already have one.
 
The fact that Sony has an existing service is proof that they can provide said service to the public. Whether they use subcontractors or do everything in-house is not a concern to consumers.

It's impossible to say that Sony can't bring competing cloud based products to market when they already have one.
You've missed the point, it's a concern to regulators. Nobody is saying they can't bring competing products but they are disadvantaged and one of their endeavours failed and was rebranded.
 
There's a difference between owning a publisher/developer and a marketing deal. You're running in circles and you have no point at all.

No you guys keep saying it's ok to do marketing deals to get exclusive content or exclusive games, well why didn't Sony just do that insted of buying bungie?
 
No you guys keep saying it's ok to do marketing deals to get exclusive content or exclusive games, well why didn't Sony just do that insted of buying bungie?
You keep repeating the same thing over and over again. The difference is obvious. You're asking questions that make no sense.
 
You keep repeating the same thing over and over again. The difference is obvious. You're asking questions that make no sense.

Coarse they make sense, when you say it's ok to have marketing deals like Sony has with COD , then Sony go and spend billions on Bungie. Sony own Bungie and say they will keep it indipendant. Why spend all that money they they could just do marketing deals like you say both do and is ok to do. Microdlsoft has already said they will keep COD on playstion to
 
Lol.

I guess you forgot about all of Blizzards ips and the fact game pass is a cheaper option / better value. Microsoft xbox game pass already has around 30 million subscribers and we are only on year 2 of this generation. 100 million isn't unfeasible especially with cloud gaming becoming more main stream.
I think you forget with 'all of blizzards ips' they still only made 2.8 billion.

Being better value to you means ms are losing money over what they could've earned. It's not rocket science.

You are going on like 2.8 billion will just be increased when it's included in gamepass which is ludicrous.

Only way gamepass gets to 100 million subs is if its on all consoles.
 
Coarse they make sense, when you say it's ok to have marketing deals like Sony has with COD , then Sony go and spend billions on Bungie. Sony own Bungie and say they will keep it indipendant. Why spend all that money they they could just do marketing deals like you say both do and is ok to do. Microdlsoft has already said they will keep COD on playstion to
It has nothing to do with the conversation. They make marketing deals and buy studios. You have more control over what goes on when you buy a studio versus a marketing deal.

Again, you have no point that's even relevant to this conversation.
 
Game Pass on PS was always a red herring. That was never something offered in earnest. It doesn't even make any sense.
Of course it makes sense. Gamepass needs available customers. No way it succeeds on xbox alone unless xbox starts selling 100+ million consoles which is unlikely.
 
Of course it makes sense. Gamepass needs available customers. No way it succeeds on xbox alone unless xbox starts selling 100+ million consoles which is unlikely.
I've been playing Gamepass for the last two weeks and my Xbox is packed up in storage 2,000 miles away. You don't need a Xbox for it.
 
I've been playing Gamepass for the last two weeks and my Xbox is packed up in storage 2,000 miles away. You don't need a Xbox for it.
True, but is it better to play it on a PS5 through an Ethernet cable or on a tablet using wifi? For me wired has always been best by a long distance.
 
And I'm sure you'd have gamepass if you didn't hav3 an xbox too right?
I have never owned an Xbox (or playstation for that matter) and have gamepass. MS wants gamepass on PlayStation like they want it on TVs or Rokus or Fire TVs or on Switch. They want it available as many places as can support it.
As someone who is benefitting greatly from Sony and MS finally loosening their grips on their software I see this as a potential benefit.
 
You've missed the point, it's a concern to regulators. Nobody is saying they can't bring competing products but they are disadvantaged and one of their endeavours failed and was rebranded.

If the regulators are worrying about ensuring that no company can ever release a failed product or that no corporation can ever cultivate an advantage at any time, they've lost the plot. Sony basically shouldn't be allowed to continue operating at that point, their success has disadvantaged the competition. :messenger_tears_of_joy:

The issue should be more about whether or not MS would gain an advantage that makes it difficult/impossible for meaningful competition to exist. When it comes to cloud gaming that's a resounding no, because PS+ Premium already competes with GP/Xcloud. MS doing a better job of selling their service earlier on doesn't have much to do with MS's Azure business.
 
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Thanks for your input captain obvious. As you could clearly tell I was responding directly to manabyte not speaking in general terms.

Gamepass for pc had the potential to reach the kind of numbers ms need, but it's been a bit of a failure no matter how many gaffers have it.
I'm not playing on PC. I'm playing SoT, Scorn, Infinite, and Pc stuff like the Darktide beta (through GeForce Now) on my MBP.
 
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Of course it makes sense. Gamepass needs available customers. No way it succeeds on xbox alone unless xbox starts selling 100+ million consoles which is unlikely.

That's not what I mean. I'm talking from a feasibility perspective. Only way I see it working is if it is an xCloud app. They are not going to port Microsoft games to PlayStation.
 
If the regulators are worrying about ensuring that no company can ever release a failed product or that no corporation can ever cultivate an advantage at any time, they've lost the plot. Sony basically shouldn't be allowed to continue operating at that point, their success has disadvantaged the competition. :messenger_tears_of_joy:

The issue should be more about whether or not MS would gain an advantage that makes it difficult/impossible for meaningful competition to exist. When it comes to cloud gaming that's a resounding no, because PS+ Premium already competes with GP/Xcloud. MS doing a better job of selling their service earlier on doesn't have much to do with MS's Azure business.
You're obviously being incredibly reductive. That's exactly what they are saying, it would make it difficult for companies like Nintendo and Sony to compete in cloud gaming because they are out of position. That's what Phil was saying too that those companies are not competitors going forward. Suggesting the now dead PSNow of all things competes is like saying Windows Phone is a competing product with Android and that the current US vs Google antitrust case should be thrown out because they've lost the plot.

They are severely disadvantaged. it doesn't offer streaming of PS5/PS4 games and Sony rely on Amazon. Sony are not competitors in the cloud space. The regulators know this and Phil knows this. You are arguing that they are though for some reason.

Again if Sony were buying Activision they too would face such scrutiny for other reasons. This isn't about not being allowed to operate. This is about a mega corporation buying a vertical and horizontal company and suggesting they are not already in an advantagous position for cloud gaming when they clearly are and have publicly said they are in the past.
 
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Thanks regulators for being the ever present, watchful eye protecting competition and consumers rights to essential input Call of Duty.
 
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You're obviously being incredibly reductive. That's exactly what they are saying, it would make it difficult for companies like Nintendo and Sony to compete in cloud gaming because they are out of position. That's what Phil was saying too that those companies are not competitors going forward. Suggesting the now dead PSNow of all things competes is like saying Windows Phone is a competing product with Android and that the current US vs Google antitrust case should be thrown out because they've lost the plot.

They are severely disadvantaged. it doesn't offer streaming of PS5/PS4 games and Sony rely on Amazon. Sony are not competitors in the cloud space. The regulators know this and Phil knows this. You are arguing that they are though for some reason.

Again if Sony were buying Activision they too would face such scrutiny for other reasons. This isn't about not being allowed to operate. This is about a mega corporation buying a vertical and horizontal company and suggesting they are not already in an advantagous position for cloud gaming when they clearly are and have publicly said they are in the past.

PS+ Premium does offer the streaming of PS4 games and has for a long time, that's the primary way I played Spiderman a few years ago. LOL

If you can point out what MS is bringing to the table with Xcloud that Sony isn't also bringing forward with PS+ Premium, I'd like to hear it. Also, be sure to highlight how the success of Azure and the clients they have in other sectors is helping to shape the Xcloud product. If Sony doesn't have their own cloud product that's on them, and they've shown they can hire out that portion and still bring to market a comparable product.
 
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CMA: "we sleep".

Seriously though, their entire thought process of "we're worried other consoles might get some perks if MS buys activision" just falls flat on its face in seconds.
 
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Thanks regulators for being the ever present, watchful eye protecting competition and consumers rights to essential input Call of Duty.
As I wrote earlier:
Tl: dr: Sony is dominant owning almost the entire console market.

The acquisition of Activision Blizzard could make Microsoft competitive, making Sony invulnerable.

Sony is dominating every competition, which is our number one priority, giving the acquisition big concerns for us.
They aren't even hiding it lol.

But isn't it still too early to say if UK will block it yet?
I mean, they have to do it fast before making it obvious they are biased.

Edit to addition: it just smells incredibly shady. The regulators being all "protective" against sony whole Sony does acquisitions and timed exclusive content like this.

And sonys audacity to say Microsoft is not allowed to have any beneficial over Sony, while Sony has moneyhatted call of duty the entire previous generation.

You have to come up with a better argument than that when you are defending what you are against.
 
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As I wrote earlier:

They aren't even hiding it lol.

But isn't it still too early to say if UK will block it yet?
I mean, they have to do it fast before making it obvious they are biased.

What you wrote earlier is fan fiction and nothing more. You've been coming up with the most bizarre takes lately, dude.
 
As I wrote earlier:

They aren't even hiding it lol.

But isn't it still too early to say if UK will block it yet?
I mean, they have to do it fast before making it obvious they are biased.
Does this mean everything Xbox Fanboys have been saying over the past several years has been nonsense?

Xbox Fans were confident that the only reason why Sony beat Xbox last generation is that they had the more powerful console. Xbox fans were confident things were going to change this generation because of Game Pass and having the most powerful console.

Hell, so many times within the past 4 years Xbox fans have been saying Xbox was turning the corner and things were looking grim for Sony. A lot of Xbox fans on this forum believed Xbox was taking over because of Game Pass and the XSS.

Now all of that is thrown out of the window because Xbox needs things deal to go through. If this deal doesn't go through then I'm sure people are going to go back to the old narrative and flip-flop again.
 
Of course it makes sense. Gamepass needs available customers. No way it succeeds on xbox alone unless xbox starts selling 100+ million consoles which is unlikely.

Gamepass has been on PC for years, and is expanding via xCloud. Where have you been?

That's not what I mean. I'm talking from a feasibility perspective. Only way I see it working is if it is an xCloud app. They are not going to port Microsoft games to PlayStation.

Yep. He seems to imagine MS is going to go full third party just to put Gamepass on Playstation.

Not to mention it makes no sense for it to be a native solution since MS would have to pay third party devs substantially more to put games on the service.
 
Does this mean everything Xbox Fanboys have been saying over the past several years has been nonsense?

Xbox Fans were confident that the only reason why Sony beat Xbox last generation is that they had the more powerful console. Xbox fans were confident things were going to change this generation because of Game Pass and having the most powerful console.

Hell, so many times within the past 4 years Xbox fans have been saying Xbox was turning the corner and things were looking grim for Sony. A lot of Xbox fans on this forum believed Xbox was taking over because of Game Pass and the XSS.

I don't believe a single person on GAF has ever made these claims.

I do think that many of you see 'xbox turning the corner' as an automatic negative for PlayStation. And that's just silly.
 
Exclusives suck, but it's not like Sony can say they don't perpetuate that problem - they've built their business on it (COD aside apparently). My view is consistent - I shouldn't have to buy specific hardware to play anything. It's bullshit. The only people who want it are the diehard warriors - the worst of the worst.

Gamers supporting it is turkeys voting for Christmas/Thanksgiving (delete as appropriate).

Put Gamepass on PlayStation and PS+ on XBox. And everything on every TV and streaming box for cloud. It's going to happen anyway, so let's get on with it.

When is the State of Play that announces Wolverine and Spider-Man 2 coming to Xbox, PC and Switch, same day with no difference? No? Not happening? Why not? Why do I need a PlayStation for that?

CMA must be enjoying all the attention they are getting here, what with them being utterly irrelevant in any meaningful way :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
Does this mean everything Xbox Fanboys have been saying over the past several years has been nonsense?

Xbox Fans were confident that the only reason why Sony beat Xbox last generation is that they had the more powerful console. Xbox fans were confident things were going to change this generation because of Game Pass and having the most powerful console.

Hell, so many times within the past 4 years Xbox fans have been saying Xbox was turning the corner and things were looking grim for Sony. A lot of Xbox fans on this forum believed Xbox was taking over because of Game Pass and the XSS.

Now all of that is thrown out of the window because Xbox needs things deal to go through. If this deal doesn't go through then I'm sure people are going to go back to the old narrative and flip-flop again.
Despite the appearance of the Series X, "Xbox fans" are not a monolith :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
I don't believe a single person on GAF has ever made these claims.

I do think that many of you see 'xbox turning the corner' as an automatic negative for PlayStation. And that's just silly.

Sony isn't prepared for the fight this generation


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Yes because 2022 is the end of gaming. Sony hasn't had a great year by any stretch of the imagination either and last year was abysmal.

Looking ahead to 2023 and beyond, the picture is much muddier for PlayStation. Doubling down on PSVR, raising prices everywhere, continuing to struggle with supply chain more so than their competitors, focusing on sequels and remakes and GaaS, an already waning subscription platform, the list goes on and on. Just because they dominated last generation doesn't mean shit. Their fans are rabid, but even they will only stick around so long. They haven't reached Apple/ Nintendo levels of fervor quite yet.

You can see a bad take that was liked by many Xbox fans on this forum. This is one of the many bad takes.


Also one of several threads where people point out stock issues but Xbox fans didn't want to hear it. They believe the success was due to the Xbox Series S and Game Pass, denying anything related to stock issues.
 

Sony isn't prepared for the fight this generation

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You can see a bad take that was liked by many Xbox fans on this forum. This is one of the many bad takes.

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Also one of several threads where people point out stock issues but Xbox fans didn't want to hear it. They believe the success was due to the Xbox Series S and Game Pass, denying anything related to stock issues.
Let me give you what you want so we can all move on.

"Sony is the best. They have demonstrably dominated console sales for generations. Their first party games are routinely nominated for GOTY. They have all the momentum from the PS4. When my Xbox isn't looking I whisper sweet nothings to my PS5."

- Signed an 'Xbox fan' who didn't like either of the posts that we're ALL guilty of liking.
 
Of course it makes sense. Gamepass needs available customers. No way it succeeds on xbox alone unless xbox starts selling 100+ million consoles which is unlikely.
There are already tens of millions of Xbox One consoles and PC's that Gamepass works with.

What leads you believe that Gamepass needs 100 million consoles to be successful?
 

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You can see a bad take that was liked by many Xbox fans on this forum. This is one of the many bad takes.

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Also one of several threads where people point out stock issues but Xbox fans didn't want to hear it. They believe the success was due to the Xbox Series S and Game Pass, denying anything related to stock issues.

My points exactly.

Romulus seems to be trolling since he's been incredibly pessimistic about Xbox in posts mere months before that. From his post history, he's clearly not an Xbox fanboy.

Hendrick's post is orders of magnitude more harmless than what you were complaining about.

And you're citing a thread where the Series S sold well due to availability and price? Was anyone there seriously claiming the PS5 sales weren't hampered by stock issues?

This forum is not lacking at all in delusional fanboys (one of them's happily dropping the LOL emojis in this thread as we speak), but in this case you're building a exaggerated caricature that doesn't really exist.
 
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My points exactly.

Romulus seems to be trolling since he's been incredibly pessimistic about Xbox in posts mere months before that. From his post history, he's clearly not an Xbox fanboy.

Hendrick's post is orders of magnitude more harmless than what you were complaining about.

And you're citing a thread where the Series S sold well due to availability and price? Was anyone there seriously claiming the PS5 sales weren't hampered by stock issues?

This forum is not lacking at all in delusional fanboys (one of them's happily dropping the LOL emojis in this thread as we speak), but in this case you're building a exaggerated caricature that doesn't really exist.
Downplaying their posts isn't going to work. I'm also not talking about the OP post on the thread, but how many Xbox fanboys agreed with it.

This narrative has been going on this forum for years and you want to believe it doesn't exist. I can pull up more quotes and I'm sure you're going to make excuses for all of it.
 
Downplaying their posts isn't going to work. I'm also not talking about the OP post on the thread, but how many Xbox fanboys agreed with it.

This narrative has been going on this forum for years and you want to believe it doesn't exist. I can pull up more quotes and I'm sure you're going to make excuses for all of it.

I'm directly summarizing their posts, not providing excuses.
For example, I challenged your claim that these folks you cite were claiming that power difference alone was the reason for PlayStation dominance last gen. In response, you've quoted posts with users talking about gaming content. Doesn't that contradict what you claimed earlier?

I think this isn't a fit discussion for this thread, anyway. Best to end this derail here

You're obviously being incredibly reductive. That's exactly what they are saying, it would make it difficult for companies like Nintendo and Sony to compete in cloud gaming because they are out of position. That's what Phil was saying too that those companies are not competitors going forward. Suggesting the now dead PSNow of all things competes is like saying Windows Phone is a competing product with Android and that the current US vs Google antitrust case should be thrown out because they've lost the plot.

They are severely disadvantaged. it doesn't offer streaming of PS5/PS4 games and Sony rely on Amazon. Sony are not competitors in the cloud space. The regulators know this and Phil knows this. You are arguing that they are though for some reason.

Again if Sony were buying Activision they too would face such scrutiny for other reasons. This isn't about not being allowed to operate. This is about a mega corporation buying a vertical and horizontal company and suggesting they are not already in an advantagous position for cloud gaming when they clearly are and have publicly said they are in the past.

The only reason PS Now doesn't compete in current gen streaming is because Sony isn't inclined to make that investment. MS has taken the hit on hardware sales by diverting consoles to datacenters for streaming purposes. Sony could easily do the same if they wanted to. They've already got the deal inked with MS for Azure, or can team up with Amazon. Datacenter access for Xbox streaming isn't 'free' for the Xbox division either.
Saying they're 'disadvantaged' in cloud streaming is like saying MS is disadvantaged in console VR. As many of you note here, Sony already had console streaming on Smart TVs, mobiles etc and chose to curb those platforms.
 
PS+ Premium does offer the streaming of PS4 games and has for a long time, that's the primary way I played Spiderman a few years ago. LOL

If you can point out what MS is bringing to the table with Xcloud that Sony isn't also bringing forward with PS+ Premium, I'd like to hear it. Also, be sure to highlight how the success of Azure and the clients they have in other sectors is helping to shape the Xcloud product.

Through third parties like Amazon. Read the CMA document for how (page 65). The clients will do nothing but Azure has greater infrastructure, farm locations and reduced cost due to scale.

If Sony doesn't have their own cloud product that's on them, and they've shown they can hire out that portion and still bring to market a comparable product.
If windows phone is a failure and Google has Android that's on MS. Edge can't compete with Chrome because they use Android that's on MS failures. If MS doesn't have its own youtube and failed with Mixer that's on them, Google can restrict access to windows phone or any OS.

You're being reductive. That's not how regulators see things. They see a vertical acquisition which can cause SLC for those downstream based on market advantages.

It's refreshing to see you and others say Phil was talking nonsense back then though. I'm sure if I had said he was talking nonsense back then I would get pushback from the same people who are now saying Azure is not a competitive advantage at all and that Sony have a competitive and comparable cloud infrastructure.
 
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If windows phone is a failure and Android and Edge can't compete with Chrome that's on MS failures. If MS doesn't have its own youtube that's on them, Google can restrict access to windows phone or any OS.

Where you are completely missing the point by a mile and then some is the differences in the markets you are mentioning.

Is it on MS for Explorer not coming out on top in the browser space? Absolutely. LOL What has Google/Android done to prohibit other browsers, nothing (other than the default browser being installed).

Is it difficult to create a new phone OS with how dominate iOS and Android are, yes. So if Google or Apple were making an acquisition that bolstered that position even further (Apple buying Google or vice versa), I can see that being an issue.

If Google wants to pull YT from competing devices, let them, it's their funeral. YT is popular but hardly something that can't be replicated, if they ever tried to pull the native apps from iOS they would realistically just destroy themselves. The advertising angle there is a bit different and I could see that being an issue if they were looking to purchase something that would further bolster the advertising position they have.
 
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The only reason PS Now doesn't compete in current gen streaming is because Sony isn't inclined to make that investment. MS has taken the hit on hardware sales by diverting consoles to datacenters for streaming purposes. Sony could easily do the same if they wanted to. They've already got the deal inked with MS for Azure, or can team up with Amazon. Datacenter access for Xbox streaming isn't 'free' for the Xbox division either.
Saying they're 'disadvantaged' in cloud streaming is like saying MS is disadvantaged in console VR. As many of you note here, Sony already had console streaming on Smart TVs, mobiles etc and chose to curb those platforms.
Really? You think that's what the issue is?

So in the same vein could Sony counter MS' console sales argument by suggesting that the only reason they are ahead with console supply is due to not diverting chips. You clearly haven't read the points raised by the CMA. It has nothing to do with number of chips diverted anywhere.
 
Really? You think that's what the issue is?

So in the same vein could Sony counter MS' console sales argument by suggesting that the only reason they are ahead with console supply is due to not diverting chips. You clearly haven't read the points raised by the CMA. It has nothing to do with number of chips diverted anywhere.
If MS was arguing against a Sony move because Sony sold more consoles that would be equally ridiculous, unless the move further reduced competition in consoles directly (they are trying to buy Nintendo). That's on MS for not selling more units.

It's only an issue if Sony was using their position against other players in the space (charging additional fees if games appear on consoles other than PS or leveraging the size of their user base to keep content off rival platforms to block competition).
 
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There are already tens of millions of Xbox One consoles and PC's that Gamepass works with.

What leads you believe that Gamepass needs 100 million consoles to be successful?
What makes you think it doesn't? I've yet to see MS post the profit numbers for GP, they seem to love posting just the revenue numbers though.
 
I'd think many Xbox fans, and perhaps all console players, would prefer this deal not go through. I personally don't see it as a good thing.

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