S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Yes they do.
Currently most of the most successful games have 120fps options.
Casuals are the biggest consumer and casuals love high fps games.
"MANY developers have been sitting in meetings for the past year desperately trying to get Series S launch requirements dropped"
- Thread starter Tiago Rodrigues
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Currently most of the most successful games have 120fps options.
Casuals are the biggest consumer and casuals love high fps games.
It's both better than expected and super rough at the same time.
Discount the stutters of course, that's just DX12 UE in it's natural form.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
PettySo the Rocksteady Dev....who didn't work on Gotham Knights posits:
The Series S GPU caused the PS5 version to be locked 30fps?
On Topic
Bossa Studio is complaining about the power of the Series S?
Mate when this is your portfolio be happy you are even considered a console developer, cuz this is some mobile gaming shit right here:
If the Series S is causing them so much grief, just publish exclusively on PC and PS5.....im sure Sony have been champing at the bit to announce I Am Fish 2 as being a console exclusive at their the next showcase.
Gobjuduck
Banned
Blaming the series s for bad optimization makes no sense. Hard point to defend and usually ends with surrender.
The series s is completely capable of next gen games, just at a much lower resolution. Maybe that argument will be somewhat sound towards the end of the generation, but I doubt it.
It seems like bad developers don't like having more work they suck at, and good developers say it's easy.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
For devs that complain about old console tech, how many of them release PC games with only high minimum system requirements? Hardly any.
Never mind Series S, most console game makers are still supporting Xbox One and PS4.
Never mind Series S, most console game makers are still supporting Xbox One and PS4.
Not sure that you are getting the correlation right and we probably need to define 'Causals'
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
By the very definition, a casual gamer would not care about higher frame rates compared to an enthusiast gamer.
How many casuals even have 120hz displays and set them up properly. If they are enthusiast enough to get 120hz displays for gaming, they're not casuals.
Your definition of what a casual gamer is, is very skewed.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
No they don't. My friends who game their whole lives don't even know 30 vs 60. Let alone 120. Coworkers don't even know ps4 vs ps5.
Nobody knows what hdmi2.1 is, vrr and so on.
I know only few people who are as knowledgeable about all of this as me and you guys. But I swear. In non programmers circle, people don't know or care
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Thats pretty impressive but the visual downgrade is massive.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
How have we got another series s bullying thread. The thing is offering better framerates than ps5 and series x.
If someone wants to try and blame Gotham knoghts being shit because of series s you're on crack!
If someone wants to try and blame Gotham knoghts being shit because of series s you're on crack!
MadchesterManc
Member
For pity's sake, It can't be that difficult to just drop the resolution to 1440p.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
But that one developer who hasn't worked on Gotham Knights said Series S is responsible for it being 30 FPS on PS5/Series X.
A lot of folks ran with what he said in the last thread and look how the final game turned out across the board.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
That's in your case but that's not the norm especially in city areas.
All you have to do is go to a bestbuy to buy a tv(a common place in the states to buy electronics and games)and the sales person will pitch 120fps tv to you if you are a gamer.
See above
But that one developer who hasn't worked on Gotham Knights said Series S is responsible for it being 30 FPS on PS5/Series X.
A lot of folks ran with what he said in the last thread and look how the final game turned out across the board.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Bullying? Series S is NOT a person.
And no one is talking about Gotham Knights here. The dev is specfically talking about next gen games in development TODAY. Gotham Knights is a last gen game that simply dropped last gen support at the very end of its dev cycle.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
OK but if you're a casual you wouldn't give a damn about FPS, you'll want the cheapest display option. The best buy rep will sell you the fanciest thing, that's his job.
I don't know why this is the hill you're choosing to fight for lol.
Most "casual" gamers play Fortnite on their phone, not a TV at all.
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DeepEnigma
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Great games! GT7 is probably my GOTY since I put the most hours into that game than any other.
AV
We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
I promise you that less than 5% of the people playing Call of Duty on a console are doing it at 120fps. The same salesmen will try and pitch you an 8K TV because it's "the future", but nobody's buying one.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Ya boy Riky would be mad at you. Many a triggered or empathy emoji were given when we used to say that.
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alabtrosMyster
Member
Lower textures sizes to N64 level, run game at 20fps, run game at 480p.
This would probably let them claim "support".
Sleepwalker
Member
funny part is I just saw gotham knights run on a steam deck at 30fps (sometimes higher, sometimes with drops during open world movement) theres no way a PS5/XSX shouldnt be able to get a 60fps mode for this lol
a multicultural team of v
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Where is he anyway ? He's not permed last I checked.
Exactly. They get commission for it. It's their job.
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and then the consumer would take the tv home and keep the motion smoothing option on.
again we need to define 'casual' gamer, also a game can attract 'casual' gamers and 'enthusiast' gamers
dem
Member
So far Series S looks like its doing exactly what it was supposed to.
Plague Tale... same shit.. lower res.
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Kilau
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I mean that only if XSS is going to be unviable in the future, I'm not convinced that will be the case.
Latency is for sure an issue but the video quality of xcloud is getting better and would probably not be much if any worse than a low quality, low res native version.
InverseAgonist
Banned
Agreed, but I would contend they are missing the point. If you can do that on, say, a SteamDeck, what experience could a developer provide given a PS5 or X as the baseline? And I mean pushing it so that it's using 1080p with reconstruction. That's what I'm interested in.
There is so much research and technology that isn't being utilized, for one reason or another. I loved Battlefield: Bad Company, with advancements in computational resources and not only actually computing the physics, but ML-based physics simulation, the door is open to tons of gameplay potential.
I have a PS5, if Sony gave me the option for a The Getaway remake that was reminiscent of the Matrix demo either targeted at 4K or one that was targeted at 1080p with reconstruction but featured dynamic ML-based physics and destruction, crowd dynamics, advanced AI, and provided me new gameplay opportunities, I don't think I'd hesitate in response. Maybe I'm the minority, but I don't know. I can sort of understand where some of these developers are coming from.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
For AAA gaming? PC specs are usually that of the min spec console. Min spec consoles are what pushes the PC min spec forward so PC gamers are not stuck on the vast majority of their low end hardware that usually AA/Indie focuses on.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
*Incompetent devs are struggling
Maybe learn how to code properly you gimps!
Maybe learn how to code properly you gimps!
DeepEnigma
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AngelMuffin
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Why's is this problem exclusive to consoles? Does owning a 2080 hold back a 4090?
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Many modern tv's auto switch(ALLM) or suggest game mode when a console is plugged in.
TCL and Hisense make excellent low priced HDMI 2.1 tv's.
That's usually what casuals buy up.
Yes they do care about performance as like I said already most of todays top games have high performance options/120fps.
It's been like this for years.
Many casuals went to the 60fps cod instead of the 30fps bf as far back as the ps3/360 days. They like high performance.
This is crazy talk.
GHG
Gold Member
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
AV
We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
I think your definition of casual is the crazy talk and why you're being told the exact same thing by multiple people. Casuals barely even know what a framerate is let alone own a 120hz TV. They're the people who play COD and FIFA/NFL each year and that's it.
60fps in the PS3/360 day isn't even CLOSE to the same thing, we were playing on 60hz sets in the 90s. By 2006 it was a standard. 120fps is not a standard and won't be for a while.
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Hobbygaming
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Maybe they don't believe that those features will help much in practice or they might be hard to implement. 224 GBs per second is very low for the current generation though
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S0ULZB0URNE
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They been caring since the ps3/360 days.But if you care about performance, you're not a casual gamer
They might not understand all the tech jargon but they care.
Those games have 120 fps options which they can play on the casual gaming TV the bestbuy rep sold them.
It absolutely is the same thing people ran to cod because of it back then.
I never said it was the standard..what I said is casuals do care about frame rates.
TV's that included 120fps will be the standard real soon though.
And that's what the sales man pitches to them and they walk out with a casual priced 120fps capable TCL or Hisense.
Again ALLM automatically switches the settings to game mode.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
The exclusives got smaller and became a market for indies instead of AAA developers.
There were no reason to make good looking games to pc because the consoles couldn't run them.
Crysis is a meme by now, but you couldn't make that game on consoles without making it look like shit.
Crysis were ahead of its time, and we would be further in graphical improvements if it wasn't for consoles to hinder pc development.
Crytek assured that the pc version of crysis remastered won't be held back by consoles.
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Clear
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Note the term "launch requirement". That's quite specific.
I can't argue this with certainty, but it does strike me as plausible that being bound to provide deliverables for both SX, and SS on the same date is going to cause problems for a lot of smaller devs. Simple reason is that its tuning and debugging on two very distinct tiers of hardware is twice as much work at the busiest point in the cycle.
Submitting to Playstation and Xbox cert might even be less hassle because they will run on slightly different time-lines with rejection on one side not necessarily holding up the other. Whereas if MS insist that both builds for SX and SS pass checks before either can be ok'd for release, its quite a headache potentially.
Not saying this is what the issue is -or if indeed there is one- but its a reasonable possibility for why some devs would prefer not to support SS day and date.
I can't argue this with certainty, but it does strike me as plausible that being bound to provide deliverables for both SX, and SS on the same date is going to cause problems for a lot of smaller devs. Simple reason is that its tuning and debugging on two very distinct tiers of hardware is twice as much work at the busiest point in the cycle.
Submitting to Playstation and Xbox cert might even be less hassle because they will run on slightly different time-lines with rejection on one side not necessarily holding up the other. Whereas if MS insist that both builds for SX and SS pass checks before either can be ok'd for release, its quite a headache potentially.
Not saying this is what the issue is -or if indeed there is one- but its a reasonable possibility for why some devs would prefer not to support SS day and date.
and then when a game is running at 30/60, they will be continue to be fine playing the game without caring.
DeepEnigma
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Ghost of Caelid
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HeisenbergFX4
Member
For me its a night and day difference going 60 to 120 but have had several friends try 120 and say they can't even tell a difference in games like Fortnite
But most casuals are playing these games on last gen hardware and big screen 1080p TVs sitting 10' away on their couch
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Not the COD type of casuals.
Funny how this thread spun away from the topic.
On topic a non casual most definitely cares about performance and resolution.
Lets stay on topic.