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[analog_future]

I'm so bored of this conversation. I just want it to end one way or another. Are we still on pace to potentially hear some news in November or is this going to be next year?

 

[Ansphn]

You brought up first party titles as some sort of differentiator. I'll keep it really simple. Sony doesn't need CoD to be competitive. They are the market leader and they will remain so regardless of this acquisition. Nintendo proves a game company can be successful without CoD. It is basically CADE's take. I agree with CADE. If you disagree with them you could have provided them with an email voicing your disapproval.


CADE and I say Sony doesn't need CoD to be competitive. Nintendo proves that to be true. I even tossed in that Xbox has CoD and Nintendo beats them in console sales. CoD does not determine what platform is successful or not. It's not terribly complicated.

Neither of you guys need to worry. Phil has repeatedly said CoD would remain on PlayStation so it's moot.


Do you think he was lying about potential Xbox price increases?

No he is not lying this time because its a gain for him. The price increase will make him more money.

 

[The_Mike]

Dont believe this man. He lies as much as he breathe.

I ain't saying Spencer is a Saint, but can you or anyone bring up what Spencer has lied about?

 

[The_Mike]

I'm so bored of this conversation. I just want it to end one way or another. Are we still on pace to potentially hear some news in November or is this going to be next year?

Since CMA got tired of sonys background noise and silenced them I'd assume it would go fast on rails again.

 

[feynoob]

I'm so bored of this conversation. I just want it to end one way or another. Are we still on pace to potentially hear some news in November or is this going to be next year?

This November would be great for this topic.
You would have EU and US speaking about this deal.
As of now, expect the boring stuff.

 

[phil_t98]

You negotiate with any product that is sold on your platform.

so Sony would want a contract to sell it, then renew it every few years

 

[feynoob]

I ain't saying Spencer is a Saint, but can you or anyone bring up what Spencer has lied about?

People who believe him, would believe him. People who think he is lying, would still think he is lying.
Both side would have their own versions for his words.

 

[Fess]

Since CMA got tired of sonys background noise and silenced them I'd assume it would go fast on rails again.

What’s this about?

 

[Kvally]

I'm so bored of this conversation. I just want it to end one way or another. Are we still on pace to potentially hear some news in November or is this going to be next year?

The funny thing is, no matter what happens, any of us here that want to play Activision games will continue to play them whether MS owns them or not. From what I can tell everyone here has a console and a PC/console. I have a PS5 and an Xbox Series X. I am all covered. Makes no difference to me if MS owns them, Sony owns them or if Activision stays self sufficient.

 

[feynoob]

so Sony would want a contract to sell it, then renew it every few years

That is how contract basically is.
Jimbo is making problems for them. His goal is infinite contract for PS, which he is managed to do it. Phil stated what Jimbo wanted.

 

[phil_t98]

That is how contract basically is.
Jimbo is making problems for them. His goal is infinite contract for PS, which he is managed to do it. Phil stated what Jimbo wanted.

no contract Phil just said he will continue as long as PS is there. just rename the game Medal of Duty and problem solved lol

 

[feynoob]

The funny thing is, no matter what happens, any of us here that want to play Activision games will continue to play them whether MS owns them or not. From what I can tell everyone here has a console and a PC/console. I have a PS5 and an Xbox Series X. I am all covered. Makes no difference to me if MS owns them, Sony owns them or if Activision stays self sufficient.

Every deal has their ups and downs. This is a mega deal, which can disrupt the market. One of the biggest game in gaming history, is for sale.

 

[feynoob]

no contract Phil just said he will continue as long as PS is there. just rename the game Medal of Duty and problem solved lol

You cant rename COD. Just like how you can't rename fifa and fortnite.

COD is a household name. Changing the name, won't do any good.

 

[Kvally]

One of the biggest game in gaming history, is for sale.

True. They intend to make that game available to an even larger market, if allowed.

 

[Ansphn]

I ain't saying Spencer is a Saint, but can you or anyone bring up what Spencer has lied about?

Some of Phil's many lies.

A Generation of lies: A collection of Conman Phil Spencer's broken promises

systemwars.net

 

[Kvally]

Some of Phil's many lies.

http://[URL]https://systemwars.net/...tion-of-conman-phil-spencers-broken-promises/

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I read through all those. Didn't see any lies. Saw a lot of PR bullshit though.

 

[Topher]

You brought up first party titles as some sort of differentiator. I'll keep it really simple. Sony doesn't need CoD to be competitive. They are the market leader and they will remain so regardless of this acquisition. Nintendo proves a game company can be successful without CoD. It is basically CADE's take. I agree with CADE. If you disagree with them you could have provided them with an email voicing your disapproval.

Again, Nintendo's first party versus Sony/MS third party dependency. I shouldn't have to repeat that over and over. I never said Sony needs CoD to be competitive. I said Nintendo doesn't prove that point either way and it doesn't. You disagree with that and this is fine. I'll leave it at that.

As far as CADE is concerned I'm so naive to believe my view matters to them especially when I'm only talking about the justification for one specific point that I find lacking. I've never said I necessarily disagree with overall decision and that remains the case. I've said repeatedly that this deal will eventually go through.

Neither of you guys need to worry. Phil has repeatedly said CoD would remain on PlayStation so it's moot.

Well....you have been arguing a moot point just as much as either of us so....

 

[Bladed Thesis]

You cant rename COD. Just like how you can't rename fifa and fortnite.

COD is a household name. Changing the name, won't do any good.

oh?

 

[The_Mike]

What’s this about?

My quote below, referring to this article.

• Regulators are likely to stop listening to Sony as it has a direct interest in disrupting the deal.

That comment had me chuckle.

no contract Phil just said he will continue as long as PS is there. just rename the game Medal of Duty and problem solved lol

As long as Warzone and previous Cods are on playstation, then cod will continue to be on playstation as long as there's PlayStations out there.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

My quote below, referring to this article.

Taking this seriously? It's just an opinion piece

 

[feynoob]

True. They intend to make that game available to an even larger market, if allowed.

Except, that company has a business in console gaming.
That is a conflict of interest.

 

[analog_future]

The funny thing is, no matter what happens, any of us here that want to play Activision games will continue to play them whether MS owns them or not. From what I can tell everyone here has a console and a PC/console. I have a PS5 and an Xbox Series X. I am all covered. Makes no difference to me if MS owns them, Sony owns them or if Activision stays self sufficient.

It makes a pretty huge difference for Game Pass subscribers (but probably not for a few years if Sony paying to keep games off of Game Pass is true).

 

[The_Mike]

Taking this seriously? It's just an opinion piece

Maybe. Who am I to judge, I'm just here for the fun.

Isn't it why you all are in this thread? Are we taking any of the previous 117 pages truly serious

I certainly hope not.

 

[Ansphn]

I read through all those. Didn't see any lies. Saw a lot of PR bullshit though.

I guess my definition of lies are different from yours. If someone tells me they will have VR on their System but VR don't work on there. To me that's an outright lie to sell consoles.

You love being lied to?

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Maybe. Who am I to judge, I'm just here for the fun.

Isn't it why you all are in this thread? Are we taking any of the previous 117 pages truly serious

I certainly hope not.

Sure, but i'm specifically referring to how much stock you're actually putting into that article

 

[feynoob]

Some of Phil's many lies.

http://[URL]https://systemwars.net/...tion-of-conman-phil-spencers-broken-promises/

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This obsession is too much.

 

[Kvally]

It makes a pretty huge difference for Game Pass subscribers (but probably not for a few years if Sony paying to keep games off of Game Pass is true).

Well, it seems their current contract has them ending in 2024 for marketing? Vanguard, MWII and the next one.

 

[Ansphn]

This obsession is too much.

Lies are lies. How is that obsession?

 

[Topher]

Taking this seriously? It's just an opinion piece

From a college student, on a site where anyone can submit an article. Folks are quoting it like it is gospel. Amazing.

 

[Kvally]

I guess my definition of lies are different from yours. If someone tells me they will have VR on their System but VR don't work on there. To me that's an outright lie to sell consoles.

You love being lied to?

The good thing is, he never once said VR will be on Xbox. Though a typical PR move, he did say that the Xbox is VR capable back in 2016, as well as 2017. Then in 2019, they found that nobody wanted VR on Xbox.

 

[feynoob]

oh?

Poor example from me. Fifa and EA are divorced.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

From a college student, on a site where anyone can submit an article. Folks are quoting it like it is gospel. Amazing.

2 years investing experience lol. There are people on this site with more valuable insight than her

 

[The_Mike]

Sure, but i'm specifically referring to how much stock you're actually putting into that article

Maybe, but that's probably because I can see it as something that makes sense.

 

[Topher]

Some of Phil's many lies.

A Generation of lies: A collection of Conman Phil Spencer's broken promises

systemwars.net

Well first, quoting someone from "systemwars.net" is just absurd. Second, they are taking some massive liberties with the word "lies" which points right back to the reason why you should quote people on "systemwars.net".

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Maybe, but that's probably because I can see it as something that makes sense.

So, just confirmation bias lol

 

[feynoob]

Lies are lies. How is that obsession?

Recording everything the man says, and justifying as a lie.

Head companies Exaggerate their products. It's a PR words.

 

[Topher]

2 years investing experience lol. There are people on this site with more valuable insight than her

I'm sure Phil Spencer has an open line for her to call and let him know if the situation changes.

 

[Ansphn]

The good thing is, he never once said VR will be on Xbox. Though a typical PR move, he did say that the Xbox is VR capable back in 2016, as well as 2017. Then in 2019, they found that nobody wanted VR on Xbox.

Its still a freaking lie. You cant twist words and fool people.

Why are you defending lies and manipulation?

 

[Bladed Thesis]

Poor example from me. Fifa and EA are divorced.

And it's been renamed.

It is what it is.

 

[Ansphn]

Well first, quoting someone from "systemwars.net" is just absurd. Second, they are taking some massive liberties with the word "lies" which points right back to the reason why you should quote people on "systemwars.net".

The source dont matter. All the things they said can be verified.

 

[Kvally]

Recording everything the man says, and justifying as a lie.

Head companies Exaggerate their products. It's a PR words.

And sometimes it comes down to "things change".



Did they lie? No. That was their belief at the time. Why put them on a cross when circumstances change. Hell, my first wife said she would be with me forever. 20 years later she dumped me like yesterdays news. Things changed.

 

[The_Mike]

So, just confirmation bias lol

Call me biased, but I think it's silly a competitor can block competition like that.

I would feel the same way no matter who buys what.

I would also have found it silly if Microsoft had something to say about sonys purchase of Bungie, which they didn't.

I would also have found it silly if Sony had something to say about Bethesda, which they didn't.

 

[Ansphn]

Recording everything the man says, and justifying as a lie.

Head companies Exaggerate their products. It's a PR words.

Its still false hope and manipulation. So I'm suppose to be okay with that?

If a guy continue to manipulate people with hype, false hope and lies, I'm not suppose to call him a liar cause you like him and like being lied to?

 

[Ansphn]

And sometimes it comes down to "things change".



Did they lie? No. That was their belief at the time. Why put them on a cross when circumstances change. Hell, my first wife said she would be with me forever. 20 years later she dumped me like yesterdays news. Things changed.

That's not a good example unless you can give me examples of Insomniac doing stuff like this over the years.

Phil has "consistently" been doing stuff like that. Eventually, the trust will be gone when you keep B.Sing people every year.

 

[feynoob]

And sometimes it comes down to "things change".



Did they lie? No. That was their belief at the time. Why put them on a cross when circumstances change. Hell, my first wife said she would be with me forever. 20 years later she dumped me like yesterdays news. Things changed.

There is no doubt, that MS has the means to make that possible, considering they have xcloud, which is working on browser, tvs and mobile. And they could be possible be porting to switch.

Still, they own Xbox, and PS is the rival of xbox. As long as that exist, it presents an issue.

 

[Kvally]

Its still a freaking lie. You cant twist words and fool people.

Why are you defending lies and manipulation?

I am not defending lies. I call it PR. Same with Jim Ryan and "we believe in generations". I looked at it as PR. Things changed. They saw a massive desire for 117 million PS4 owners to be supported and they changed their stance. Probably to make more money, but it also was a consumer friendly decision. Things change man. Not everything is black and white.

To me, PR isn't "lies" per se. But a lot of stretching. I don't hold Jim or Phil guilty of promoting their companies. It's their jobs. Now if they came out and blatantly lied, then that would be bad. Like if Jim or Phil said "we sold X number of consoles as of July 1", but then their actual numbers were "Y", that is bad.

I remember when Todd said that Starfield was PEN/INK for 11/11/22. Is that a lie? Or was that "things change"?

 

[GHG]

Call me biased, but I think it's silly a competitor can block competition like that.

That's not how it works, at all.

 

[feynoob]

Its still false hope and manipulation. So I'm suppose to be okay with that?

If a guy continue to manipulate people with hype, false hope and lies, I'm not suppose to call him a liar cause you like him and like being lied to?

PR statements is open for interpretation. It's why it's called PR. It relies on public perception.

For you, it's a lie, but for others it isn't.

Phil uses those words, to not get himself in trouble. Its a grey area, and you need to provide evidence that he is lying.

 

[Kvally]

That's not a good example unless you can give me examples of Insomniac doing stuff like this over the years.

Phil has "consistently" been doing stuff like that. Eventually, the trust will be gone when you keep B.Sing people every year.

Well your opinion has been duly noted We will have to agree to disagree.

 

[The_Mike]

That's not how it works, at all.

I know they ain't just blocking them, but they are doing their part to make it not go through.