SLB1904
Banned
The more these companies push for 8k. I see as a win even if it is bullshit
AMD: Radeon 7900XTX ($999) & 7900XT ($899) Announced | Available December 13th
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Interesting that village is so much better than the 3090 Ti whereas Doom is more or less the same. Still, a 4090 is 41% faster than a 3090 Ti so AMD RT being 41% behind in 2022 FOUR fucking years after RTX launch is just unacceptable. They matched Nvidia's rasterization performance with the 5000 series, exceeded their perf per watt with the 6000 series, and now, 2 years later, what? Same poor RT performance?
Whats the point of this chiplet design if you cant chiplet some fucking RT cores on there. EDIT: it seems they now do but the performance is still lacking? RT is going to be everywhere next gen or rather whenever this gen finally fucking starts, so these 2022 cards acting like 2020 nvidia cards is simply disappointing.
Also, this does not bode well for their mid range $500 and $700 7700 and 7800 cards. Are they going to perform like 3070 and 3080? If so what the fuck is the point?
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Buggy Loop
Gold Member
It'll have some clear outliers with 1.7x performance and some more in the range of 1.4, etc. In the end, i'm betting that at review time, these will compare to the 4080 in rasterization, but with 3090 RT (and probably worse with crazy RTGI games coming like Cyberpunk 2077 overdrive), for $200 less than the 4080, assuming Nvidia doesn't budge on price or doesn't pull a rabbit out of their hat.
What's shocking, and Dictator, Alex from DF says, is that the RT uplift is so bad here. Like it seems it scaled linearly with RDNA 2, no huge improvements like "leakers" were suggesting. Like he says, we're at the dawn of having waves of games with full RT, without any ways to toggle it off. RT remix sprinkled on top of that and... well i have to ask the question, what's the point of having so much rasterization performances if you're not a pro-gamer playing at 1080p with low settings? This range of card is basically scoffing at any pure rasterization games coming at them, it's wasted power left on the table, while RT NEEDS all the performance gain it can get.
Not sure i understand the proposition here. Benchmarks will be a cold shower. It'll make the 4080 look appealing in the end. Surprised pikachu right there, as everyone were down on it.
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CuNi
Member
I just recently got a 3080, so I am not upgrading anytime soon, but if that trend continues, my next upgrade might even end up being AMD.
Already ditched Intel for AMD on the CPUs and if this trend continues on GPUs too, I am all in for the ride!
I'd even jump ship earlier if they would either bring in a compatibility layer or something equal to CUDA, as I do have some programs that require that to not run at snails pace.
If they released a compatibility layer that even runs slower by not more than 10%, I'd switch next gen in an instant.
Already ditched Intel for AMD on the CPUs and if this trend continues on GPUs too, I am all in for the ride!
I'd even jump ship earlier if they would either bring in a compatibility layer or something equal to CUDA, as I do have some programs that require that to not run at snails pace.
If they released a compatibility layer that even runs slower by not more than 10%, I'd switch next gen in an instant.
SolidQ
Member
RT going to be everywhere, when cards 250-300$ will run RT fine, and no mass RT games until PS6.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
They've only had... *checks release date*, oh, 15 years to provide a competent CUDA alternative. Should be soon
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
So, they now have dedicated RT cores like Nvidia?
64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
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8k is fucking stupid
GHG
Gold Member
I don't understand what there is to dispute. Of course people will wait for benchmarks but in the meantime people are trying to decipher the marketing and figure out what kind of ballpark performance figures we should expect. The same thing happened post Nvidia' s conference and it even resulted in them cancelling what would have been a disastrous product once people figured it out.
No harm in it, relax.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
yes.
Omnipunctual Godot
Gold Member
Yeah, I mean it sucks that they're playing fast and loose with the numbers, but who is actually buying one of these to play in 8k? Less than 1%?
GHG
Gold Member
You have 2 excellent GPU's that are unlikely to be topped anytime soon so just enjoy them.
nikos
Member
You right.
/r/nvidia has driven me mad in the last week or so.
I also got a 4090 and I think we're getting the extra performance we paid for.
Amiga
Member
AMD seem to be targeting:
- E-Sport players
- Those who want an easy upgrade within their current rig
- 8K enthusiasts
- those who have a lower power budget
Combine that with the price. And the possibility the chaplet design will help put more cards in the market. AMD should set to increase their market share of active PC players.
- E-Sport players
- Those who want an easy upgrade within their current rig
- 8K enthusiasts
- those who have a lower power budget
Combine that with the price. And the possibility the chaplet design will help put more cards in the market. AMD should set to increase their market share of active PC players.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
Who are you talking to?
As benchmarks will indicate, probably as it should be.
There will probably be more MSRP FE 4080s than the whole XTX lineup including expensive AIBs.
I tried scoring an RDNA 2 on amd.com btw. It was a unicorn. RDNA 2 MSRP was pure bullshit, to the point where AMD even wanted to cancel their reference cards until they got called on it. Watch AMD AIBs go fucking insane with price because the card is called red dragon or some bullshit. They make Nvidia AIBs look tame in comparison.
Take Asus who makes TUF for both, for the same cooler, 6800XT @ $970, 3080 @ $730, when MSRP of that chip is -$50. That was +$290 delta! INSANE.
SportsFan581
Member
AMD firing the first warning shots with these prices on the high-end. Rest of the lineup is going to prove difficult for Nvidia to position against. Nice to see them not pushing up to ridiculous new highs.
DemonGamerTTT
Member
What I really want is to see how this AV1 compare to Nvenc... I use it a LOT for online streaming, game streaming to my living room and also to my Quest 2 for PCVR.
I'm glad that AMD is investing in software as well as performance because that is what was stopping me to buy their cards.
I'm glad that AMD is investing in software as well as performance because that is what was stopping me to buy their cards.
TransTrender
Gold Member
Does this mean we're waiting until release day for benchmarks? Couldn't find anything about this.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Saw this in the Jayz two cents video. Didnt realize they had a 50% IPC gain for ray tracing performance. The RE8 results dont really indicate that level of performance uplift. In the castle, it runs at around 110-120 fps. outdoors 80 fps. are they using the outdoor comparisons or indoor?
Definitely need to see whats going on here, but im hopeful again. Especially if both Sony and MS use the RDNA3 design for their midgen refresh.
Definitely need to see whats going on here, but im hopeful again. Especially if both Sony and MS use the RDNA3 design for their midgen refresh.
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Buggy Loop
Gold Member
Wouldn't the Quest 2 have to decode AV1? It can't. Maybe Quest 3 feature.
DemonGamerTTT
Member
No.
A lot of applications can decode Nvenc, when you use steam link or play together you have a option to use Nvenc and it doesn't matter the hardware the client receiving data is using.
Virtual Desktop can also(I use on it) use Nvenc... Also Parsec can also use Nvenc and it is hardware agnostic as well.
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Let Nvidia take the "luxury" brand people and take everyone else if you can isn't a bad idea, if you can't compete 1:1 acknowledge a world upcoming recession and bet on that.
I do have an SSD in it, I just copied/pasted the specs from my original e-mail;P
Well, I cant afford everything at the moment. Does this mean I should save up for a whole new pc before getting any upgrades? Sorry for my ignorance, looking for some legit advice.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Can anyone explain to me why they went from 7nm to 5nm and REDUCED the clockspeeds to 2.3 GHz? The 6900xt used to regularly hit 2.5 ghz.
Especially when nvidia went from 2.0 ghz to 3.0 ghz when going from 8nm to 4nm. I was expecting clocks to hit 3.0 GHz and 100 tflops. 61 is impressive but way below what the rumors were indicating. The total board power is also very conservative. If Nvidia is willing to go to 450-550 watts, why are they locking themselves to slower clocks and just 350 watts?
I really wonder what happened here. poor performance at higher clocks? logic failure? poor thermals? Even with 2.5 ghz they couldve beaten the 4090.
Especially when nvidia went from 2.0 ghz to 3.0 ghz when going from 8nm to 4nm. I was expecting clocks to hit 3.0 GHz and 100 tflops. 61 is impressive but way below what the rumors were indicating. The total board power is also very conservative. If Nvidia is willing to go to 450-550 watts, why are they locking themselves to slower clocks and just 350 watts?
I really wonder what happened here. poor performance at higher clocks? logic failure? poor thermals? Even with 2.5 ghz they couldve beaten the 4090.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I'm interested in seeing how the 7700XT turns out.
Excited to see some benchmarks, but I want to upgrade my CPU/Mobo/Ram before looking at GPUs.
Excited to see some benchmarks, but I want to upgrade my CPU/Mobo/Ram before looking at GPUs.
Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
Don't get your hopes up for the RT. Seems like AMD is falling way short of Nvidia yet again in that area.
Sigh, guess i'm waiting for reviews seeing AMD pulled all sorts of shit nvidia and intel would be proud of here. Like using a 5900x cpu for the 6950x and used a 7900x for the 7900xtx.
Then they used their frame generation tech in the RT slide saying up to 2x performance but hid the fact the 7900 was using frame gen while the 6950 just fsr2.
Then they used their frame generation tech in the RT slide saying up to 2x performance but hid the fact the 7900 was using frame gen while the 6950 just fsr2.
Nvidia went from shit samsung 8nm to good tsmc 5nm, they got way more out of the process move than AMD because they were already on tsmc.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Without getting ahead, I so like what they're saying in terms of their RT performance. Nvidia has been ahead and is staying ahead but AMD needs to make all the strides. And I hope both DLSS 3.0 and FSR 3 continue to make games even more fluid.
I will repeat what I said somewhere else that I can't remember because I'm old; A Plaque Tale Requiem gets me about triple the fps with DLSS frame generation. I don't notice a damn thing with any negative affects while observing high fps in that game.
If this is how things are early on then we're going to be in a great place as these things continue to iterate.
That's what I was saying earlier. Some gymnastics afoot with the numbers. The product looks good and it's not necessary to mislead.
I will repeat what I said somewhere else that I can't remember because I'm old; A Plaque Tale Requiem gets me about triple the fps with DLSS frame generation. I don't notice a damn thing with any negative affects while observing high fps in that game.
If this is how things are early on then we're going to be in a great place as these things continue to iterate.
That's what I was saying earlier. Some gymnastics afoot with the numbers. The product looks good and it's not necessary to mislead.
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Sleepwalker
Member
sendit
Member
Forget upgrading your GPU. Why don't you have a Blu Ray drive in this beast?
And not even a fire alarm or home fire insurance!All of this and you don't even have to get a bigger case or a new PSU.....
CityHunter1981
An Absolute Desaster
I mean sure, the RTX 4090 is still better, but considering the price difference, I think its crazy to invest in a RTX4090, because it offers more power than most gamers need right now. Better safe some money now and upgrade your card down the line with the money you have saved now.
Hoddi
Member
Color me impressed. I had no intention of upgrading my 2080 Ti after the 4090 launch but these numbers seem far more palatable.
I also found that comment about decoupled clockrates and how modern games are front-end bound interesting. I've noticed that many games have hit a performance wall in recent years even at ultra low resolutions like 640x360 and it's not always been because of the CPU.
I also found that comment about decoupled clockrates and how modern games are front-end bound interesting. I've noticed that many games have hit a performance wall in recent years even at ultra low resolutions like 640x360 and it's not always been because of the CPU.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
I dont' understand why amd is giong back to paralelist units when they publically identified that as one of the core weakness of GCN.
They performance uplift % do not match the increase in hardware processing units, which means effectively the system is at less than 100% utilization which is the problem with dual instruction paralelism.
They performance uplift % do not match the increase in hardware processing units, which means effectively the system is at less than 100% utilization which is the problem with dual instruction paralelism.
hinch7
Member
I'd be down for that. If it offers 3080/Ti-like RT performance and raster approaching a 4080 (don't expect it to beat it here).. all while keeping under 280W, at $649. That should be a enticing buy for a lot of people.
Hopefully it'll come with at least 16GB VRAM as well, considering they are offering 24GB and 20GB with the 7900 cards at $1000, and $900 respectively.
alucard0712_rus
Banned
'Performance per watt leadership'
What a bullshit. Reduce power limiter on 4090 and it will demolish any RDNA card at any power target.
What a bullshit. Reduce power limiter on 4090 and it will demolish any RDNA card at any power target.
bentanchorbolt
Banned
Nobody is paying $1600 to reduce the power of their GPU. Not everyone gives a shit about having the best card. If you can pay $600 less and still get great performance, guess what most people are going to buy.
alucard0712_rus
Banned
Still Nvidia is much more energy efficient. And I'm talking about BS marketing.
bentanchorbolt
Banned
Relax. It's ok if AMD releases a product people want. The 4090 is still a very good card and it's okay if you want one.
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hinch7
Member
Nvidia is using a more advance node for Ada Lovelace - TSMC 4N vs TSMC N5 + N6 on RDNA 3
Cost wise, RNDA 3 cards will be significantly cheaper to produce due to die size and MCM design.
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alucard0712_rus
Banned
I'm all relaxed. It's just funny how everyone bashing Nvidia since forever (because of what?) then other company gives false advertising and people are okay with that.
I know. I think RDNA3 is comparable only to 8nm RTX3000 series. And we will see it shortly.