And Nintendo had RE4 exclusive, the biggest game in the franchise after the series had sold millions on Playstation. So what if RE 1 was exclusive for a couple of months?PS. It's funny that you name Resident Evil because Sony already paid to make it exclusive and hurt Sega and Nintendo some time ago....
Just look at top 10 games sold year to dateIn Sony state to it is interesting that they say that COD drives x times engagement compared to all SIE games combined. So obviously COD that is being shit on on this forum is one of the most popular games on playstation with proper legs.
That's interesting, we know that ms presented deals to Sony already. Also none of the previous cod games were on any sub service.Microsoft has not commited to continue making call of duty available on Playstation and Playstation plus.
I know. I am buying it every year, and even enjoyed vanguard.Just look at top 10 games sold year to date
People love to hate on COD but its a monster again this year
In Sony state to it is interesting that they say that COD drives x times engagement compared to all SIE games combined. So obviously COD that is being shit on on this forum is one of the most popular games on playstation with proper legs.
That's interesting, we know that ms presented deals to Sony already. Also none of the previous cod games were on any sub service.
That always gets me, how shit game (in their minds) can be bestselling. How they explain that to themselves? That's what interest me.COD is shit on by people who think the game is shit. Saying COD is shit doesn't mean not understanding the fact that COD is the bestselling game on consoles every single year.
This is the gem here. Xbox is trying to force Sony to allow GamePass on their console. If that happens then a PlayStation becomes more of a gaming Roku or Chromecast at that point.
- Mult_game subscription services. MS has not agreed to make call of duty and other activision titles available on SIE Playstation Plus, While MS made it clear, they would make it available on gamepass.
I've got at least four COD games w/ PS+
Had no idea about thisI've got at least four COD games w/ PS+
This would probably boost ps5 sales even more. If they could get all of the ms gamepass games. Would also mean less reasons to get Xbox hardwareThis is the gem here. Xbox is trying to force Sony to allow GamePass on their console. If that happens then a PlayStation becomes more of a gaming Roku or Chromecast at that point.
Are you telling me that Activision didn't intend to go on sale until MS made a proposal....??? LOL. The reality is different.The official documentation of the deal from the SEC says otherwise. You're free to provide a source more credible than that if you wish.
And we all know what happened when MS tried that same strategy which is why they abandoned it.So like a Tomb Raider type deal correct?
Doesn't Sony have direct clauses in the contract, to specifically deny CoD to Gamepass?Part 2
- Activision content would be exclusive to MS gamepass, compared to pre transaction, which has equal chance on Multi-game subscription.
Are you telling me that Activision didn't intend to go on sale until MS made a proposal....??? LOL. The reality is different.
That document only reflects the MS proposal. It is in the public domain and known that Activision has already explored other possibilities before.
It mean, it's not "MS bought Activision", it's "Activision agreed to MS's proposal."
Some of you want to make it look like a hostile takeover bid and it's the opposite.
It is Activison who has offered himself to MS....
The only thing that Sony demolishing in that document is itselfOMG. Sony is absolutely demolishing MS arguments with the latest document.
An account suicide thread.The Sony response is like witnessing a gaming forum member meltdown thread.
Maybe. Or Xbox forces PlayStation Plus onto GamePass. Similar deal as EAPlay. Still might be worth it, though.This would probably boost ps5 sales even more. If they could get all of the ms gamepass games. Would also mean less reasons to get Xbox hardware
Not sure where you're seeing anyone suggest it was a hostile takeover. Them agreeing to the sale isn't in question, if it were we wouldn't be here. Your statement was as follows:
What you will demonstrate is the proposal, the negotiation is a different thing. And it is public domain and known that Activision began negotiations and explored offers before accepting the final offer from MS. It's not that hard to understand, just a matter of accepting reality.As per the extensive timeline outlined in the SEC documents Phil Spencer initiated the purchase by setting up the meeting and then a subsequent one where he got his CEO involved. If what you said were true it would have been the other way round.
When you defend that "MS bought Activision" as if the operation had been the sole will of MS. That's what was hinted at here when I responded.
What you will demonstrate is the proposal, the negotiation is a different thing. And it is public domain and known that Activision began negotiations and explored offers before accepting the final offer from MS. It's not that hard to understand, just a matter of accepting reality.
Second part contradicts the first sentence.First, MS argues that multi-game subscription services are not a market, but a means of payment. Multi-game services arent means of payment. They are an alternative to "buy to play", which allows consumers to access broad library of video games.
If I would be ms I would allow it without allowing gamepass on playstation, definitely would boots Xbox salesPS plus isnt permited to be available on Xbox
OmG why is MS so desperate?!Part 4
- Theory of Harm 3: Foreclosure of Cloud-Gaming Service Providers Through Leveraging Microsoft's Ecosystem
- Under ToH3, the Decision found that Microsoft would leverage its broad multi-product ecosystem – including its leading cloud platform (Azure); its leading gaming system (Xbox); and its dominant PC OS (Windows) – together with Activision's gaming content to "strengthen network effects, raise barriers to entry, and hence foreclose rivals in cloud gaming services" (Decision, para. 239; IS, para. 39). The Decision further found that Microsoft would have the ability and incentive to engage in a variety of foreclosure strategies, including: withholding Activision's content; denying or degrading rival cloud gaming providers' access to Azure; and denying or degrading rivals' access to Windows (Decision, para. 275
- Microsoft has a structural advantage in cloud-computing services because of its deep and broad ecosystem advantages. Microsoft's success with Azure and Windows (the dominant PC operating system on which the vast majority of PC games are played) will give it opportunities to undercut SIE on cloud streaming for console and PC. Microsoft has already publicly trumpeted its advantages in cloud gaming. As Phil Spencer remarked: "When you talk about Nintendo and SIE, we have a ton of respect for them, but we see Amazon and Google as the main competitors going forward… That's not to disrespect Nintendo and SIE, but the traditional gaming companies are somewhat out of position."43 Since then, Google has announced that it is closing its cloud gaming service, Stadia, including because of an absence of critical content.44 Amazon, for its part, has struggled to gain traction in cloud gaming
- The effects of a Microsoft foreclosure strategy in cloud gaming would harm consumers and game publishers. Cloud gaming is "at an early stage of its development" and strengthening network effects and raising barriers to entry "could affect all current and potential rivals" (IS, para. 44). This would deny customers the benefit of competition between cloud gaming platforms or, at the very least, "a longer period of competition between platforms vying to be the 'winning platform' in these markets" (IS, para. 44). For game publishers, the CMA explained that if Microsoft were to become a gatekeeper between publishers and gamers, that would ultimately give Microsoft the ability to "control access to gamers, charge high fees for game distribution, and manipulate game rankings" (Decision, para. 293
- SIE agrees with thorough analysis in the decision and the framework for assesment set out in the IS. If consumed MS would be in a unique postion, where they are the only company with sole control over such a large library, and the levers to determine how competition plays out in the nascent space, thanks to its windows OS and Azure platform. Redacted info.
- In response to that, MS raises four main points, None is sound.
- First MS argues that CMA theory of harm is "Novel and without precedent". There is nothing novel about a leveraging theory of harm, whereby a digital platform uses existing advantages in one area to harm competition in a nascant space. MS is under invistigtation for leveraging practices involving Azure and Windows.
- Second MS argues that "Consumer adoption for cloud gaming remains low". Competition is worthy of protection, as competition among services that already enjoy substantial usage, as MS knows well.
- Third, MS argues that in the counterfactual, Activision content would not be available on cloud gaming services. That is misconceived. A with multi-game subscription services, Activision content in the counterfactual might become available to cloud gaming services in the future on equal terms. Under the transaction, MS would have the ability and incentivie to keep that content exclusively to itself.
- Fourth, MS argues that "It does not have a market-leading position in gaming to protect". But this theory of harm is about MS using its leading position in PC OSs, cloud platform services, and gaming content(Via acquired Activision content) to foreclose competition in cloud gaming. There is no requirement in such as leveraging theory for there to be market power in the foreclosed product, as MS well knows. MS publically explained the link between "Content, community, and cloud". MS already has the community(via xbox, windows and linkedln), and the cloud(Via Azure), and through the transaction, it would add Activision's vast content to its existing propreitary games, giving it everything it would need to tip demand and its favour and foreclose actua or potential rivals.
- Conclusion, The Transaction threatens the gaming ecosystem at a critical moment. It would take an irreplaceable gaming franchise, Call of Duty, out of independent hands and combine it with Microsoft's highly-successful gaming system (Xbox), leading multi-game subscription service (Game Pass), dominant PC OS (Windows), and leading cloud platform (Azure). The only way to preserve robust competition and protect consumers and independent developers is to ensure that Activision remains independently owned and controlled
Antitrust laws are focused on two things: maintaining a competitive environment that upholds fair prices AND improves quality of goods and services (emphasis on AND; not an either/or situation).
And we all know what happened when MS tried that same strategy which is why they abandoned it.
Now imagine MS spending that 69B to buy that irreplaceable 3rd party content the way Sony does... Someone wants to make believe that it would seem good for them and they would not criticize it anyway LOL.
My guy, no one has said that this document is not real, it is being said that it is only the official proposal after negotiations. Or are you saying that the operation began with that official purchase proposal?My guy, the reality is what's in the SEC document. You want to sit there and suggest otherwise with no credible sources to back you up. For what reason I don't know.
If the information in that document is anything other than accurate then that would be securities fraud.
MS did not "bought Activision", MS does not buy what it wants and when it wants... and that is what the answer I answered implied.
My guy, no one has said that this document is not real, it is being said that it is only the official proposal after negotiations. Or are you saying that the operation began with that official purchase proposal?
I repeat, the reality is that Activision explored other offers before. He explored other possibilities before MS. MS did not "bought Activision", MS does not buy what it wants and when it wants... and that is what the answer I answered implied.
This is the gem here. Xbox is trying to force Sony to allow GamePass on their console. If that happens then a PlayStation becomes more of a gaming Roku or Chromecast at that point.
Simple, that MS does not buy the Studios when it wants to take away from Sony what it needs to be competitive (which is what your answer implied).This is some derp comment
Wtf are you even arguing here lmao
It is going to go through. There are no hypotheticals.So, lets say the deal doesn't go through and MS invest money on getting exclusivity over the next 10 year of CoD, would Sony be doomed?